How was Christianity able to reform

>>1799542
It did reform. What do you think Wahhabism is

>>1799551
how did it get ultra conservative though?

>le Islam never reformed meme

there have been major Islamic reformist movements literally every century you dipshit

the latest one being the Salafists

>>1799560
The CIA wanted a strong anti-communist movement to keep the Russians out of the Middle East.

>>1799560
The Saudi family and Western regime changes.

>>1799542

Christianity itself didn't reform, it just got massively cucked by the Enlightenment and the increased power of secular governments, the liberal intelligentsia, and the socialist revolutionaries who successively worked to constrain the church.

>>1799560
>the reformers become the anti-reformists
Is this supposed to be new?

>>1799568

this

Islam is basically the last uncucked traditional religion fighting tooth and nail for relevancy and power in an increasingly materialistic and neoliberal world.

Judaism, Christianity, and the other religions have just become little more than weekly soccer mom meetings and book clubs 2bh

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>>1799568
>Martin Luther was from the Enlightenment and was a secular government, a part of the liberal intelligentsia and a socialist revolutionary

>>1799588

when people today say why didn't Islam "reform" and become like Christianity, they're asking why it didn't become a cucked modern-day soccer mom religion instead of remaining a traditional patriarchal grimdark religion like Christianity used to be in the middle ages.

Martin Luther was not responsible for that change in Christianity; if anything he heralded a time of more religious extremism in Europe what with the religious wars between the Protestants and the Catholics and the gruesome Thirty Years' War.

>>1799561
Usulis too.
>>1799542
A major reformation happened in 1976 genius. Hudud law actually was enforced.
>TFW ibn Tamayah would be rolling in his (austere) grave if he saw ISIS/Saudi's chopping hands off.

>>1799579
And how fucking retarded the middle east is should give you an idea of how retarded you sound when you wax nostalgia about muh uncucked religions stopping muh degeneracy.

At least your recognizing it though. I've always said /pol/tards would actually love fundamentalist Islam. It represents everything they dream of.

everything can be made more better and more perfecter than it is before

>>1799560
I don't know where this idea that religious reformation = liberalization, when it very often means the exact opposite.

>>1799643
came from*

>>1799560
The same thing happened with Luther's reformation. The materialistic hedonism and carnal faggotry of the renaissance shifted to straight up Old Testament hardcore theology under Luther.

Nietzsche devoted an entire book to his butthurt about it.

>>1799564
>muh CIA

Why do people constantly ommit the real perpetrators of middle eastern goatfuckery, the Brits? I mean seriously with some people it seems they think history starts with WW2 or something.

>>1799560
same way protestant christianity did get ultra conservative probably

>>1799651
because Radical Islam was literally a planned movement the CIA encouraged

see: Operation Cyclone

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>>1799651
I wonder why people always ignore [[[them]]]

>>1799668
Shit I didn't know CIA already existed back during the Mongol invasions.

>>1799683
we're talking modern radicals lad keep up

>>1799683

>salafists
>mongol invasions

get out

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>>1799683

>>1799542
The Islamic world is 600 years behind Christianity so we can calculate that it should have a reformation in around a century.

>>1799693
>who is Ibn Taimiyya

>>1799707
Ibn Tammiyah never enforced hudud (cutting off hands and stuff) and saw it as a grave innovation.

Don't believe Takfiri propaganda.

>>1799669
I'm not even one of the eternal Anglo memers but there's things that seriously make you ponder when it comes to Britain.

>creating Christian Israelism (the idea that Christian should recreate ancient Israel and populate it with Jews), something that straight up never existed on the mainland
>elevating Jewish bankers to legal nobility
>have a Jewish PM
>eventually start believing that they themselves are Jews (see British Israelism)
>divide & conquer against Spain, divide & conquer against Napoleon, divide & conquer against Hitler
>side with Turks to prevent Christian Russians from liberating Constantinople
>50 years later do a 180, sign the Anglo-Russian Entente pulling Russia from their traditional alliances and promising them territories in the Balkans if WW1 breaks out
>oppress the Boer people and put their women and children into concentration camps, decades before gulags and Auschwitz
>destroy Austria-Hungary and the Zweites Reich, creating a bunch of shithole buffer states that fall prey to petty nationalism and communism
>carve up the Ottoman empire, giving the new territories to a bunch of camel fucking idiot Arabs and the Jews
>conveniently side with the communists in WW2 despite Hitler making several peace/alliance proposals
>hastily decolonize Africa, giving power to a bunch of idiot warlords that fuck up the new countries forever
>ostracize Rhodesia, their former colony, to the point of siding with Marxist terrorists against them

>>1799647
which one?

>>1799742
I blame it on the prots thinking the Jews were greatest ally when they financed the government to suppress the Jacobites in 1745. That's when the yids got their foot in the door in Britain.

>>1799806
You mean specifically Anglo prots. The Jew loving fanaticism never existed among continental protestants.

>>1799799
Antichrist. He masturbates to Machiavelli and Cesare Borgia and their virility and master morality and then bitches about Luther for coming among and fucking that up.

Why is Islam so violent compared to Christianity today?

>>1799841
Christians realized it's not worth it after the 30 years war.

>>1799827
Anglicans are just wannabe Catholics. Henry VIII, DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, basically saw himself as the new Pope.

>>1799891
What about the Presbies, the Methodists and the Puritans? Those certainly weren't Catholic at all.

>>1799841

Islam is no more violent than Christianity today.

If we look at so-called 'practitioners' though then we have to consider various social, geographical, political, and historical circumstances.

>>1799642
*more best

>>1799916
Christianity is a religion of peace.

>>1799542
Christianity didnt reform. People protested.

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>>1799916
>Islam is no more violent than Christianity today.

Poe's law I guess

>>1799604
>remaining a traditional patriarchal grimdark religion like Christianity used to be in the middle ages.
This is bullshit. A lot of people didn't even listion to the Serman but talked among themselves.
Some of the /church/ preachers in less nice areas couldn't even read. a lot of it was taken very lightly from the rank and file. Think the Decameron, not dante, about how it really was

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>>1799916
>so-called

>>1800274
...really it was the reformers that were the grim dark ones. All the way from Luther to the pirtians

>>1799542
Thirty Years War.

Incidentally, Islam is going through something similar right now. I don't think they'll be successful since it needs a massive bodycount, and there's to much interference/globalization to reach a Westphalian Peace.

>>1800274
>A lot of people didn't even listion to the Serman but talked among themselves.

Hopefully this anon lived during middle age to report us that fact.

>>1799542

islam reforms all the time

each time theres a mass movement or a major war in the muslim world its usualy contemporaneous if not synonymous with a largescale religious reform

same as vehabism and muslim brotherhood today, and isil as a more extreme example, things like that happened over and over again, if you look at the history of most longlasting muslim states or dinasties they usualy start with somekind of mass religious revival thing

problem is muslim reformations are ciclical, their point is to go backwards, to a place of pure 'true islam'

so they keep rewinding the tape over and over again every couple centuries, and in many places the tape is getting worn out

wasnt that much different with the reformation tho, protestants didnt start of as liberal north european capitalist-socialists, the first couple of waves of protestantism were full on taliban mentality, sanctioning customs, dress, regulating use of music, color and decoration, iconoclasm all over, the whole thing

>>1799542
>Whig history
>Eurocentricism
The cancer in this question and in these posts >>1800391
is off the charts.

>>1799542
The reform you mention put christianity closer to islam that it already was. Islam doesnt need a reform to be like protestantism.

>>1799900
He's just trying to save face pretending Luther didn't open Pandora's box