>engcucks

>England
It was an internal struggle between french kings.

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>>1792664
They inherited all that land through marriage (pic related) and lost it all through war (Bouvines)

>>1792664
John

>manage to conquer half of a kingdom over 3x your size
>eventually lose it unsurprisingly
>engcucks XD

I'm sorry, but there is a bias against English and Germans on this board, where as everyone eagerly sucks French cock.

>>1793019
See >>1792812 tard
They didnt conquer shit
England was the latest addition to Angevin territories in 1154 because of a marriage

>english possessions in france
>implying it's not aquitaine's possession of england

>>1793019
it's basic knowledge that it wasn't conquest and the fucking bias is the total opposite outside of this board at least here the bias is """""justified"""""

>>1793019
"Conquest"

You do know the people on the throne of England were French and they inherited those lands and then got kicked out of France, right?

>>1793138
So French that they displaced French people in the French territories and replaced them with English people.

>>1793331
They didn't though

A good thing Tbh because Britain would probably have had way too much French influence these days if it stayed that way.

And the borders would be awful.

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>>1793351

>>1793362
Could they have used it as a staging ground to conquer Europe?

>>1793019
Because France was (historically) objectively better than the Anglos, and Germans are autistic shitters that destroy everything they touch.

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>>1793539
I wonder who could be behind this post?

>>1792673
This.

If another side won (especially earlier) it would France also ruling England and entire thing would be remembered as royal civil war.

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>>1793138
>You do know the people on the throne of England were French
OK

>>1792664
It's funny because many people are talking about the 100 years war when they see this pic. I know the british education is pretty terrible, but it's funny to see they spend their time talking about Agincourt but have never heard of Bouvines.

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>>1793663
If the fact a ruling family can be from another country than the one they're ruling is that weird to you, then you have nothing to do on this board

>>1792664
because the population and economic base of england at that time was less developed, and the english were also subject to internal strife and repeated french treachery

essentially the cost of holding the french down exceeded what the english could afford to pay hence the french were eventually able to pay the english to stop fighting and go home as there was more profit in that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Picquigny

>>1793019
someone insulted France over the battle of Nicopolis in another thread

>>1793547
A Slav

>>1793019
>conquer half a kingdom 3x your size
LMAO
/his/ everybody

>>1793684
>Cnut
>Harald Harefoot
>Harthacnut
>English

Oh shit nigga what are you doing?

>>1793684
I think the idea of any European monarch, being descendants as they are of monarchs of other European Kingdoms, being considered 'English' or 'French' or 'Spanish' is absurd really.
Even in the old Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, there were intermarriages with the Franks and Britons
People talk about Normans as if they were a thing apart from the modern Englishman, rather than a contributing factor in making us, well, us. Different to the Anglo-Saxons of the mid 11th century? Yes, of course. But why would I see them as anything other than forebears, even if their cultural impact far outweighed their genetic one?

Churchill and the fair housing acts combined with an influx of immigrants.
Government became a US puppet and a way to instill capitalism in the European Union.
England got cucked by Jews and Americans.
Working class became a punchline.
Thatcher nuked everything else.

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A teenage french girl went "DESU VULT".

>>1793019
>where as everyone eagerly sucks French cock.
Nope.jpg

We just have tremendously butthurt Frenchies posting on /his/ all the time.

>>1794077
>People talk about Normans as if they were a thing apart from the modern Englishman, rather than a contributing factor in making us, well, us. Different to the Anglo-Saxons of the mid 11th century? Yes, of course. But why would I see them as anything other than forebears, even if their cultural impact far outweighed their genetic one?

Because they were members of a nation that still exists to this day and that you consider as a rival (the French)

>>1794100
200 year later. But nice try, American friend !

>>1794100
>a gothic loli BTFO a major European kingdom
were the middle ages an anime?

>>1794105
That's what newfriends who started 4chan with /his/ believe
We had these same threads billions of times on /int/, and most people sucking frog cocks or shitting on Britain arent French
Usually they're from irrelevant shitholes like Slovenia, Poland, Denmark...etc

Same with people who suck German cocks, they're mostly non-Germans

Brits on the other hand are the execption as they're the only ones defending their country (well, a few canucks and aussies do as well).

>>1794109
I don't consider the people of Brittany to be British.

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>>1792664
Who would win in a fight:

The entire organized and disciplined medieval English army

OR

An autistic French peasant girl

>>1794274
Always vote on Autism.

>>1794119
I noticed this too.

Actually the pattern seems to be:
- First world countries tend to side with France
- Third world countries tend to side with Germany
- Canadians and Aussies side with Britain

>>1794115
>major European kingdom
>England 1453

>>1793991
this.
The polish buttdevastation over germany is incredible.

>>1794290
Most of those siding with Germany are Americans

/his/ once again showing it knows fuck all about history.

Fucking hell, you stupid fucks don't even know which centuries the hundred years war took place in.

>>1794119
>people who suck German cocks
By "suck German cocks" you mean disagree with one of the posts every three seconds that say Germans are inherently evil/destructive/trash/autistic/furry/whatever and should be exterminated? You don't even see this level of hatred toward jews or blacks on /pol/.

>>1795262
not their fault, the English don't brag about their losses preferring to remember the victories to impress others, and the French don't brag about their victories, preferring to remember the defeats, to avoid such event to reproduce. When people hear "the French beat the English", for some reason the only thing that comes to mind is the HYW. And not because the French brag about it, simply it's kinda the longest war ever and people know 3 things about it: Agincourt, Crécy, and the French won.

>>1792664
You really can't think of war in the medieval era as 'state vs state', it was all about Families.

>>1795349
Sure, and as Phillipe once said at the Christmas family dinner:
-"Otto, would you be kind enough as to pass me the salt, please?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bouvines

>>1795252
Yeah, third worlders tend to go for Italy

>>1795280
Lmao I thought the bullying of Germany in /has was ridicilous at first, then I noticed that it was all true and that no one actualy could argue effectively against it. Germans deserve to be killed by muslims.

>>1795610
/his

>>1794290
Canadians and Australians are odd

THEY can insult the UK, but as soon as someone else does the Queen activates the computer chips inside their brain

>>1793019
t. LindyBeige

>>1794115
It must've been so hard to defeat Henry VI!

>>1792999
>92999▶
Fucking.John.

>>1795664
Oh don't bother with that excuse.

The French were just as much pained by insane kings.

>Charles VI
>During the rule of his uncles, the financial resources of the kingdom, painstakingly built up by his father Charles V, were squandered for the personal profit of the dukes, whose interests were frequently divergent or even opposing. As royal funds drained, new taxes had to be raised, which caused several revolts.
>In 1388 Charles VI dismissed his uncles and brought back to power his father's former advisers, known as the Marmousets [...] But in August 1392 en route to Brittany with his army in the forest of Le Mans, Charles suddenly went mad and slew four knights and almost killed his brother, Louis of Orléans.[1]
>From then on, Charles' bouts of insanity became more frequent and of longer duration. During these attacks, he had delusions, believing he was made of glass or denying he had a wife and children.[1] He could also attack servants or run until exhaustion, wailing that he was threatened by his enemies. Between crises, there were intervals of months during which Charles was relatively sane.[1] However, unable to concentrate or make decisions, political power was taken away from him by the princes of the blood, which would cause much chaos and conflict in France.
>A fierce struggle for power developed between Louis of Orléans, the king's brother, and John the Fearless, Duke of Burgundy, the son of Philip the Bold. When John instigated the murder of Louis in November 1407, the conflict degenerated into a civil war between the Armagnacs (supporters of the House of Valois) and the Burgundians. John offered large parts of France to King Henry V of England, who was still at war with the Valois monarchy, in exchange for his support.

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Because the anglos got rekt by best french king

>>1793684

>Edward I, Henry V, Elizabeth I, weren't English
>But Canute somehow was
>William III was Scottish

This is absolute ahistorical cancer

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>>1796049
France was really lucky with its kings.

>>1795349
yes but the battle who ended all this created the first idea of a french nation

>>1796062
Edward I didnt even speak English

>>1796128

Not him but he's actually believed to be the first post-conquest King who did, though there's no proof either way

>>1796138
As a mother tongue? I think Henry IV holds that honour. Maybe Edward I was first who was fluent in it.

>>1794277
Unless it's Charles II.

>>1793019
>everybody shits on every country
>but there's only a bias against the ones I like

>>1795252
>Third world countries tend to side with Germany
Are you confirming what he said?

Jokes aside, most of them are probably muh heritage and want to side with Germany because a) it's top dog in Europe right now and b) it was the most impressive European power in both world wars besides the Soviet Union (if it even counts). And god forbid Americans pick anything other than the perceived number one.

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Is France founded upon the idea of taking huge coalitions of European powers by themselves?

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>>1792664
Jeanne D'Arc

>>1798362
...was born in 1412

>>1798369
And still best girl all the same.

>>1792812
What was the deal with Toulouse?

>>1798362
Why are King Arthur and Nero made to look to her image when invoked?

I know it's unrelated but it always bothered me.

>>1792664
Not enough longbows

>>1798376
we wuz counts and shit but we got btfo by those catholicucks from the north

>>1798476
Because Saber is a very popular character in Japan so they just milk her design over and over again. The franchise has pretty much been killed by corporate greed at this point.

>>1796049
just remeber what language your typing in senpai

>>1799404
A bastardizatiom of french?

>>1799411
Mmmmmm the tears!!!! taste sweeter every time i hear one of you resist

>>1799419
Reminder that america is the reason we speak english, not britain

>>1799429
ahahahahaha, everytime without fail lol, did america learn it all by themselfs c'mon lol

>>1799456
>themselfs
Typical britbong education.

>>1799469
bless you, trying to find any excuse not to accept the truth

>>1799486
Go home Nigel, don't you have an empire to mourn?

>>1798717
I was asking about the in-universe explanation, not the obvious actual reason.

>>1799486
you're the one who started with the excuses "la"

>>1799493
Manuel Valls, hows the nigger and muslim community? is it over 90% yet? still having your frenchies raped and killed in the streets in public

>>1799504
i dont need an excuse

>>1799508
At least france has culture to speak of. They eat butter pies in your country

>>1799523
your culture is indistinguishable from african mate they only reason i would know i was in france was the eiffel tower even then there are 5 other countries with there own version

>>1799554
lmaoin
anglo """culture"""

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>>1799554
>t. Nigel Hamptonshireford

>>1799411
It's really fun to imagine that English is the linguistic equivalent of a rape baby.

>>1799456
I'd honestly feel embarrassed if I were trying to feel proud of my language and my "rival" had a better grasp of it. Especially considering frenchies are known for not being particularly good at English.

>>1799554
>then there are 5 other countries with there own version

their*
damn those countries who copied our african culture

>>1799589
its not having a good grasp of it thats point, its using the very same language of the people your mocking as one of your primary communications is whats funny

>>1799609
My primary communications are conducted in French, Nigel. Typical Anglo, assuming we're all as autistic as him.

>>1799594
there* was correct, retard.

>>1799616
if you were not speaking english you would have no means to interact with us here

>>1799618
>there own version
try reading past the first two words, Nigel

>>1799623
And I'd miss out on this lovely cultural dialogue :^)

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>>1799618
kek no it wasn't

I see you're not an anglo, but good job, you really fooled me

>>1799609
I know, but it's still embarrassing to have a foreigner correct you on the use of your own damn language, isn't it?

>>1799641
He's an Anglo. They can only destroy.

>>1799641
embarrassing no, it just means they have made such an effort to learn our foreigner "bastard" language when i have mearly passivly learned which is very funny indeed, still mocking the country and the language but yet has put more time and effort into it than a native

>>1799629
what was the french culture again?

>>1799665
More like I'm just not a retard. Of course, "good breeding" to an Anglo is how many generations of incest have occurred

>>1799665
>mearly passivly
Goddamn.

Just so you know, everyone can "passively learn" a language. I genuinely put more effort into writing properly in my own language than when I write in English, because English is just that easy to use.

>>1799674
just keep speaking that english buddy

>>1799714
Veux-tu que je parle l'anglais?

>>1799722
*le français

>>1799726
>>1799722
je ne parle pas francais

>>1799736
Apprend, Nigel

>>1799740
mais il parle francais deja

>>1799722
>>1799726
>>1799736
parler français tout votre comme il ne fait aucune différance, vous revenir à l'anglais et c'est tout ce qui compte

>>1799740
Pourquoi apprendre une langue morte comme le français de toute façon?

>>1799744
Pas assez. J'ordonne que la langue de ce fil est le français

>>1799726
Tu n'avais qu'un travaille.

>>1799746
>c'est tout ce qui compte
*qui compte
>>1799752
C'est la plus belle langue du monde
>>1799754
Chui désolé

>>1799753
>Pas assez. J'ordonne que la langue de ce fil est le français
if thats the case then the thread wont last long

>>1799753
>est
Il faut utiliser le subjonctif dans ce cas, ne pas?

>>1799760
J'exige que tu parles français

>>1799764
it dosnt matter really

>>1799764
les grammar petain arrivent toujours

>>1799766
i decline, i am french but i have to admit, the language is dead

>>1799773
Je l'aime beaucoup

>>1799773
sure you are ahmed

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>>1799772
>>1799768
>>1799773
>spend time learning proper French
>French people don't care about the gammar
>they are leaving the language for dead too
Give me back my effort.

>>1799776
je suis anglais, mais honnêtement baise le français

>>1799780
je peux rembourser ton bescherelle

>>1799781
Typical Anglo

>>1799788
no need, just burn it, you can alredy speak english
>>1799780

>>1799795
>>1799795
ce qui est typique? comment évaluez-vous un angalo pour arriver à la moyenne

>>1799788
>>1799798
It's too late, my smile and optimism are already gone.

>>1799429
Hubris. Cute.

Most of the world was already speaking English thanks to the British Empire, way before the US could project its power abroad. Here in Argentina we still learn English with the British pronunciation and spelling to this day.

US influence only extended as far as the Caribbean before WWI.
You can usually tell the areas of influence by the sports each country plays.

>>1799996
The fact that your country's English education is 100 years behind the norm doesn't mean you can speak for the rest of us.

The rest of the world pretty clearly speaks English as a pragmatic solution to communicate with the largest military, political and economic power in the world. Thinking otherwise is delusion.

>>1799996
>Most of the world was already speaking English thanks to the British Empire
Except it wasn't. The British Empire might have been vast, but only its subjects really learned English. All the European powers, and therefore their colonies too, used French for cross-communication well into the 20th century.

>Here in Argentina we still learn English with the British pronunciation and spelling to this day.
That's because Argies like to believe they're Europeans. Not that it matters anyways, South Americans are notorious for being shit at English, more so than other Latin American countries.

>>1799996
>Most of the world was already speaking English thanks to the British Empire

It was an important language but far from being lingua franca, that was french even during the heydays of the british empire.

Your country is weird Juan, literally everyone learns american english

>>1799996
By "most of the world", do you mean all the people in the vast, unexplored and unhabited areas of Canada and Australia, which comprised up to 80% of your so called "greatesd embire in the world"? Or do you mean the 13 English colonies that occupied roughly 5% of US's territory and had interactions with no one, cuz they sucked?

For instance Japan. Was Japan learning English before, say, WW2?
And the go-to language in diplomacy, was it English ?
I find it funny you're proud of a language you did not create (up to 70% of it imho) and you did not spread (up to 80% imo).

>US influence only extended as far as the Caribbean before WWI.

that's already further than the English, but I'll leave you with this quote from a heated hated, hat-ed man in 1815:

"At my fall I leave two superpowers to share the world: Russia, and the United States of America".

Let it sink in :)

>>1800015
>The fact that your country's English education is 100 years behind the norm doesn't mean you can speak for the rest of us.


Americans kys

The entirety of the first world learns British English

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>>1800015
>>1800020
Our English is pretty good.
Not an argument.

>>1800025
>>1800044
French was the lingua franca of diplomacy but English was already being learned worldwide by the 19th century. It was the international language of business and trade.

French held onto its status as the language of diplomacy mostly due to tradition whereas English was learned due to practical reasons. By the early 1900s both languages had roughly equal status and reach.

>Was Japan learning English before, say, WW2?
You happened to pick one of the most nationalistic countries of its time, but even they were learning English over French in the 19th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English-language_education_in_Japan
>By the year 1874, there were 91 foreign language schools in Japan, out of which 82 of them taught English. And in 1923, Englishman Harold E. Palmer was invited to Japan by the Ministry of Education, where he would later find the Institute for Research in English Teaching in Tokyo and introduce the aural-oral approach to teaching English.

>>1801100
>French was the lingua franca of diplomacy but English was already being learned worldwide by the 19th century. It was the international language of business and trade.

This is purely false
Literally no one learn English outside of the British Empire before WW2
French was the lingua franca, but it wasnt the same thing as now
Commers couldnt speak multoples languages, nor did they need to (globalisation and mass media werent a thing)
Only the elites spoke the lingua franca

>By the year 1874, there were 91 foreign language schools in Japan, out of which 82 of them taught English.
And 91 of them taught French (one school doesnt teach just one language ofc)
Cool anecdote tough

If you want an anecdote that proves that English was irrelevant as shit before US domination, here's one:

>A few days later I saw the first American soldiers. They were African Americans. The first Yankee I met was a black man, Joseph, who introduced me to the marvels of Dick Tracy and Li'l Abner. His comic books were brightly colored and smelled good.
>One of the officers (Major or Captain Muddy) was a guest in the villa of a family whose two daughters were my schoolmates. I met him in their garden where some ladies, surrounding Captain Muddy, talked in tentative French. Captain Muddy knew some French, too.
>My first image of American liberators was thus – after so many palefaces in black shirts – that of a cultivated black man in a yellow-green uniform saying: "Oui, merci beaucoup, Madame, moi aussi j'aime le champagne . . ."
http://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf

Basically, US soldiers in Italy, Germany, Netherlands...etc during WW2 had to use French to communicate with local civilians
French wasnt as widspread among the mass as English is nowdays, but it was still the closest thing from an international language outside of the British Empire's borders

>>1801156
>And 91 of them taught French (one school doesnt teach just one language ofc)
This is something you made up, it's not mentioned on the source.

>Cool anecdote tough
You seem confused, I provided a historical source, you are giving me an anecdote mentioned by Humberto Eco.

>French wasnt as widspread among the mass as English is nowdays, but it was still the closest thing from an international language outside of the British Empire's borders
French was the language of diplomacy.
English was the language of business.
Most ordinary people spoke one language only. Businessmen usually learned English or the language of the country they were planning to trade with. Diplomats usually learned French first.

Regardless, it shows that English was spread in most of the world by the 19th century, though it is true that it became hegemonic only after WW2 due to American influence, it was the British who first spread the language in most countries.

>>1801217
>This is something you made up, it's not mentioned on the source.
It's very probable though

>You seem confused, I provided a historical source, you are giving me an anecdote mentioned by Humberto Eco.
You gave an anecdote, I gave you a testimony from someone who lived interractions between foreigners before US domination

>English was the language of business.
It wasnt
There was no official language of business (unlike for diplomacy)
Most merchants usually used translators and the language these translators knew depended on the places they traded with
Knowing English wasnt necessary in international business, nor was it the norm

>Regardless, it shows that English was spread in most of the world by the 19th century, though it is true that it became hegemonic only after WW2 due to American influence, it was the British who first spread the language in most countries.
English was spread to British colonies only (Zimbabwe, Iraq, Sudan, Burma, India...etc) and not even to the entire population of these colonies.
Outside of the British Empire, English was utterly irrelevant
And though there was no actual lingua franca widspread to the mass like English currently is thank to US media, French was still the closest thing from that (as demonstrated by the fact US soldiers and Italian civilians had to use it to communicate with each others)

>>1801100
You do realize that, even if there really were more English schools than French schools in Japan, it would be due to the fact that it was American ships the ones that forced the country to open up, right?

>>1799996
>what is the monroe doctrine

>>1793094
This, the early English kings of this era spent more time on the continent then England,

>>1793097
Some of it was conquest. And some of it was kept with wars. Their were marriages, but sometimes that was just underlying the reality already on the ground.
Was there anyone more based then the Normans? From Scotland to Sicily