>yfw you realized god probably doesn't exist

>>1787059
If it doesn't exist, then what exactly created us.

>>1787066
nothing "created" us

>>1787066
The demiurge aka Satan

>>1787109
But if nothing created us then how were we created?

>>1787190
we formed

>>1787066
We don't exist

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>>1787371
Formed from what, exactly?

>>1787423
Why don't we exist?

>>1787190
You know how mountains are made from tectonic plates smooshing together instead of god deciding to get uphill property, or how the sun is a big ball o' gas and not jesus's shining anus? Same with humans pretty much.

>>1787446
>Formed from what, exactly?
from the ingredients present in the universe

>>1787446
we formed from a long chain of minor improvements upon a clump of nucleic acid chains

>>1787447
I like this version of explaining it. We're not special

>>1787447
>>1787459
>>1787472
in other words we were created.....?

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>>1787457
How did those ingredients present in the universe form to make us then?

>>1787459
And what made these nucleic acid chains?

>>1787479
same way clouds are "created" from wind movements and humidity but not really intentionally on any sapient beings part.

>>1787479
No shit. But not created in the way you're baiting. It's all procedural and at any one time you won't think something is being "created". Literally evolution.

>>1787484
>How did those ingredients present in the universe form to make us then?
laws of physics

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>>1787447
But how could these "tectonic plates" always shift exactly to make mountains or other landforms, hmmm?

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>>1787493
how can you deny a creater? especially in things like pantheism and hinduism and even buddhism, these laws of physics are manifestations of a creater

>>1787500
Stop this shitty bait. You clearly don't understand how plate tectonics even work so just google it and shut up

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>>1787493
And what made these laws of physics? They don't just happen like that in thin air, do they?

>>1787502
Lol, why should there be a creator?

>>1787502
because a creator implies something with volition, which doesn't necessarily follow and in my opinion doesn't make sense
>>1787509
we don't know. it's entirely possible that these laws are the only laws that could have ever been

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>>1787507
But I'm asking you specifically.

Why are you mad, atheist? Don't you want to have a theological discussion?

Give me an enlightenment, perhaps?

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>>1787516
>we don't know
And so this is where it ends, doesn't it.

Well.

How about that.

>>1787484
>And what made these nucleic acid chains?
could be a list of things, though we aren't really sure, we can calk it up to random natural events like volcanic activity or panspermia or even just natural chemical formation.
We have made basic building blocks for DNA in a lab and we've only had a couple of years to work in isolated labs, while the world had, well the world to work with
>How did those ingredients present in the universe form to make us then?
Natural chemical formation
>>1787500
>But how could these "tectonic plates" always shift exactly to make mountains or other landforms, hmmm?
Tectonic movements, which you would have learns in science class. Basically the earth is molten for the most part save for a big of colder upper layer that sorta glides along the molten sea.

>>1787536
not so fast. you think there's likely a god, and I don't

>>1787502
Because there is no reason to believe it if all the tools for it can be randomly generated.

>>1787514
there literally has to be, a creator is simply the entity or concept that preludes something.
>>1787516
>because a creator implies something with volition
how?

>>1787537
Sorry, I'm just starting to wake up
>Tectonic movements, which you would have learned in grade science class. Basically the earth is molten for the most part save for a colder upper layer that sorta glides along the molten sea.

>>1787536
To be fair, "we don't know" doesn't equate to the Abrahamic God ipso facto being the Creator. It could be a small Korean man for all we know

>>1787523
Not me frogposter, see>>1787549

>>1787059
I believe God exists.
And I have the 'highest IQ' or whatever
And I say God exists
Doesn't that mean he exists?

>>1787544
>how?
create is usually used in an active sense, not passive, especially when using the term "creator"

>>1787558
no

>>1787561
He does exist.
I promise you that :)

>>1787542
how does randomly generated equate to no creater?

if i roll a die to see what colors to use in a painting the painting still has a creator

>>1787564
i'm skeptical

>>1787446
>>1787484
>>1787500
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>>1787536
Dumb frogposter. Also fat pepe is the worst kind of pepe.

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>>1787551
What created the Korean man who created the universe then?

If that's "all we know".

>>1787544
Look at >>1787542
That's a lofty claim, pal. There doesn't have to be an entity or "concept" that precludes anything. To further personify it as god is Whitehead in nature and ultimately futile imo. If I were to even concede there was a "preluding entity", at that point it's so deluded that there's no point in "believing" either way. So, instead of making something up, I'll go with the empirical evidence and not go making assumptions that are mostly baseless and frankly needless.

>>1787559
>arguing semantics

i literally gave you the world view of at least 500 million people and you just shrugged it off as a linguistic nuance

>>1787567
Okay. You know the reason for why I don't think I have the 'highest IQ'?
Because I never studied in school.
The only book I've ever finished was 50 Shades of Grey. Ironic right?
I'm telling you my intelligence comes from my belief in God.
You BELIEVE I have the 'highest IQ' right?
Then BELIEVE me.

>>1787566
I'm not say it does, there is just no reason to believe there is one.
Occam razor and all that jazz

>>1787582
Fucking retard. The molten core and mantle of the earth. God I'm already losing just replying to this bait.

>>1787581
you're creeping me out a bit

>>1787582
Natural fluid mechanics.
http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/interior/how_plates_move.html
Also like a convection oven. as heat rises the colder magma up top falls and creates a moving wheel.

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>>1787541
But if there's no Creator, how can there be anything?

>>1787596
Okay riddle me this
How could you possibly feel creepy about this?
What is creepy about my post?
Yet something inside YOU tells YOU to BELIEVE ME.

>>1787570
Another, more powerful Korean man.

If you're trying to use the Aquinas argument don't bother; it would have to be a Korean outside the bounds of physics, but there is no evidence to support his intelligence, or desire to intercede in our daily lives.

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>>1787594
>>1787599
Oh sorry about that, I lost interest when I realized all of this would simplify to you two not knowing anything. Guess you're not really scientists if you can't tell me what comes after the "I don't know part".

>>1787615
Certainly not a god if that's what you're getting at

>>1787588
you literally have to believe a creator. In your case, its the laws of physics, in philosophies like Hinduism and pantheism, these laws are a manifestation of god, as is everything else you feel and think.

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>>1787615
>the I don't know part
First of all good job pretty much saying that you have no more arguments left except slander.
Secondly, what I don't know part?

>>1787622
>you literally have to believe a creator
why?

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>>1787621
But if you don't know then why are you taking chances by saying that there's certainly nothing there?

>>1787628
Because it's extremely hard to comprehend any other kind of answer.

>>1787628
well you technically don't but most people believe one thing causes another thing

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>>1787626
I apologize, it must've been some other edgelord I was arguing with. I really can't tell you clones a part, really.

>>1787631
how about forming through a generic force instead of a "creator"

>>1787641
the force would be the creator then

>>1787644
then it's not a god

>>1787631
>I don't get it
>there for god
Bad answer tbvh
People said the same with the waves and the wind and look where we are now.
>>1787633
but why is it god? Why not some natural circumstance we don't know of yet?

>>1787648
not according to half of india

>>1787640
What was that question again frogposter?

>>1787653
according to classical theism, it's not

>>1787650
why is it that god has to be some human form sky daddy? why cant he be a concept or a force?

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>>1787658
The questions don't matter now, I've already gotten the answers I've been waiting for anyways.

Cheerio.

>>1787661
ok whats your point im not arguing for a giant baby sitter in the sky

>>1787671
why even believe in such a force in the first place without evidence?

>>1787679
thanks for giving up
Saves me some time.

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>Mfw i realized i was Odin

>>1787680
it doesn't have to be some sky daddy. the god of classical theism is characterized as all-knowing and often "perfectly good". different cultures will differ on what a "god" actually is, but i'm talking about classical theism

>>1787683
the point is everything is evidence. some people tie everything together and want to worship the universe itself, as they see it as a diety in and of itself. its like saying someone is stupid for pledging alligence because theres "no evidence" for the united states

>>1787694
im talking about theism and conceptual deities in general

>>1787721
you'll have to narrow it down, because conceptions of deities can vary widely from culture to culture. since we're (i assumed, probably incorrectly) in the west, i used the western conception of deities

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>>1787686
Oh quite the contrary indeed Mr. Atheist.

I never gave up, my aim was to get one of you straight down and even with me on the argument. To clarify all that needed to be clarified.

And one of you played into my trap quite nicely, as one of you couldn't explain what comes after the "I don't know" part.

Thus, because of this, the argument itself has been absolved, and arguing with you would simply be the same scenario all over again.

So like I said, cheerio, and I really do hope you all find that "missing" link to everything. Heh.

>>1787729
im mostly talking about eastern philosophies and religions. And i think alot more people take this viewpoint then you think even in the west. most people in the west are actually really really lax when accepting other religious sects.

>>1787066
Aliens. How this is even a question?

>>1787615
Yeah moron? Head over to /sci/ if you want answers to shit like this.

>>1787630
What chances? Deities are highly unlikely to exist and there's nothing wrong with saying "I don't believe in improbable things".

>>1787066
There is no evidence to suggest we were created.

>>1787736
So you don't want to hear my argument and instead take on fool's advice to assume victory?
GG, knave

>>1787109
Does rain "create" puddles? If so, then rain is an an intelligent creator .

>>1788274
rain causes puddles to form. I'm using "create" in the sense of the western concept of a creator being.

So... How exactly God created us? If I create the picture in Paint, I can explain how it was created. What exactly God done?

>>1788287
thus, as rain forms a puddle. the universe caused us to form

>>1788429
i don't dispute that

>>1787066
define 'create'

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>>1787068
>turns out that devil is god and doesn't even need to exist thats how bad he is

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>>1787605
>there's no evidence to support his intelligence
Now now little one. You might want to go read summa theologica again.

>>1788324
caused motion.

>>1790186
the fifth way is shit.

>>1787588
>Occam's Razor

How exactly is "everything is random and there is no controlling agent outside of scientifuc laws -which don't apply at micro or macro levels- but totally this is what happened even though we cant reproduce it through models at all" less complicated than "God creates existence and set the rules for how things will work"