Are vikings really as bad and unimpressive as this board says?

>>1786350
Come on they couldn't have been that bad

>>1786349
After going through several seminars on uni during my first year - yes. The most overrated topic there is I believe.

>>1786349
They were just raiders, I dont really understand why they are expected to be impressive in the first place.

>>1786359
They were the first to arrive in America

>samefag spamming threads every other day
>this board

As warriors, yes. They were unorganised and primitive as fuck and lost most important battles. They sailed a lot, discovered a lot and traded a lot. I personally like the myths and stories people like Sturluson have written down, but thats about it.
Primitive people who got hyped by Wagner and other Romantics.
t. Dane

>>1786359
this

the Vikings weren't an organized military force, and often either fled or were defeated by local militias. There were exceptions though with the Normans conquering and settling regions of Northern France and Southern Italy.

but most Vikings were uninterested in grand empires or commanding armies, but rather raiding villages and towns, taking anything of value, and hauling it back home to sell.

>>1786349
Keep in mind that a viking is a raider, specifically in the early middle ages. Raiders aren't particularly there for conquest, they are there for loot.
Nordic warriors actually looking to conquer weren't that bad. They managed to topple all the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms but Wessex.

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>>1786361
>they were the first
No, that would be Siberian hunter-gatherers who would later be called/known as Native American Indians.

However if you're talking about the first Europeans, yes the Vikangz were the first Europeans to explore North America, which is really their only major accomplishment in history.

No, it's just English butthurt, or occasionally butthurt by some "christian" larpers. It goes to the same trashcan as "the Persians totes did everything in the Islamic empires despite being utterly cucked by everyone" t. diaspora.

They were petty raiders, hardly more than a nuisance to any proper country. You can't expect much from them can you

>>1786375
Normans officially settled Northern France AFTER being defeated by French King in battle. The coast was often subject to raids and French King thought fuck this we can have Normans defend the coast from their brethren, defeated them in battle and gave them the place as long as they recognise the authority of French King and swore fealty to him.

>>1786375
>There were exceptions though with the Normans conquering and settling regions of Northern France and Southern Italy.

You're aware that Normans were granted Normandy after a defeat, right?
If you want an exemple of them defeating armies, you should have picked Danelaw or how they ruled England for centuries

>>1786349
bad in what sense? britain and russia are both direct descendant states from norse colonizers, in terms of conquest they were huge considering the climate and low population in scandinavia, the only area where they're lacking is scripture and impressive buildings, evolved forms of their legal system and language is used by most western nations today

>>1786349
They are unimpressive in the same way corsairs and pirates are, they were seaborne bandits and raiders and not much else.

Scandinavians had decent organised military but not special in any way, their metallurgy could be considered impressive and they were known to be valiant. Viking is not a synonym with Scandinavian.

>>1786349
They where. Most Europeans just don't wanna admit that the Nordics are and always have been superior to the rest of Europe.

>>1786355
Except they were. They basically just scandinavian pirates who prayed on unarmed/lightly armed villages and get completely rekt against peoples like the normans

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>>1786534
Damn right
>>1786536
Who did they Normans descend from?

>>1786536
Vikings never fought the normans, The weak pussy saxons did.

>>1786372
>They were unorganised and primitive as fuck
lol no

>>1786384
Their willingness to raid long distances was pretty impressive too. They are more noted for their willingness to go long distances to raid and exploring than really being strong warriors. The raider thing is mostly known because anglos are still butthurt over it to this day. Hell i suspect the strong warrior meme even started because anglos need to make themselves feel better for being raided so often by them.

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>>1786501
>I have never seen more perfect physiques than theirs – they are like palm trees, are fair and reddish, and do not wear the tunic or the caftan.
>Ahmad ibn Fadlan

>>1786536

The Normans only existed because vikings settled north France.

>>1786349
yes, also they practiced homosexual rites

>>1786755
Source

>>1786349
Yes.

They're shit and if you think otherwise you should gb2/pol/.

>>1786534
Because they're not, far from it, actually.

>>1786724
The men he saw were upper cast Varangians, wealthy men.

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The Nordic gods decided to punish the Europeans who fell under Jewish influence.
You should thank my ancestor for spreading their seed in your swarthy populations.

>>1787177
le go back to /pol/ you irrelevant ice nigger who wants to live in the mud

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>>1787187
Stay mad, medinigger

>>1787274
Why are /pol/fags such retards.

>>1787274
>medinigger
>literally gave you civilization

>>1787296
and today most are barely 1st world countries lmao

>>1787177
The gene for blondness was mainly introduced to Europe by the distributors of the R1a, the Slavs and the Germanic Goths.

Also, the largest population of blonde/light haired individuals resides in Eastern, not Northern Europe.

>>1786624
>Saxons are from Saxony
>Anglo-Saxons are Saxons that lived in England after raping the more pathetic Romano-Britons
I will admit though, the Saxons always got their asses raped, be it Frank or Norman.

>>1787296
I bet you're the same person who would say Africa is shit because of European colonization.

vikings are awesome

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This thread is only going to be/is falseflagging "vikingaboos" and people who fell for /his/ memes, but I'll put it simply.

Norse countries were fairly competent entities, they had empires, law, and armies that preformed about average.
Vikings were merely a profession that entailed going overseas to make wealth. That was raiding part of the time, and exploring and trading the other.

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>>1787296
I'm sure the Romans looked like this when they built civilization

>>1787314
Saxons took over a sizeable chunk of Great Britain, all land that had to be seized too.

They were there for almost a thousand years, having a very orderly society compared to much of Europe, and it was only after being gang-raped by Vikings and Normans back to back were they overtaken.

They were more victors than they were losers.

>>1787363
Why couldn't they?

Why do you say that all Italians look this way?

>>1787363
Yup, they did look like that. The only reason why they aren't performing well is a change of values. That's really all it is. Has nothing to do with race.

>>1787357
>Norse countries
We're taking specifically about the Vikings tho. Nice moving the goal posts tho fag.
>were fairly competent entities, they had empires, law,
Nice. So did literal any other civilisation.
>and armies that preformed about average.
Vikings? >>1786641

>>1787311
This. Never understood where Germanic = blonde came from.

Tacitus said the Germanics had red hair. Thor was "red-haired thunder", and with exception to Celtic parts of the British isles, red hair is almost a direct overlap with Germanic Y DNA.

The quintessential Germanic was a red-haired blue-eyed man, resistant to cold and hunger, and worshipped Wodanaz and Thunraz according to ancient sources.

>>1787391
Didn't Tacitus say that it was the Gauls whom were blonde?

>>1787386
That's the deal though, people don't understand the differences between Vikings and Norse.
People act like the shortcomings of the workers of a specific profession reflect badly on the North Germanic people as a whole, and it's worth mentioning that's a small part of the picture.
>Nice. So did literal any other civilisation.
What are you going to accomplish with this? They did well.

Vikings rarely wanted battles, but you might want to look at Normandy, the Rus, and the North Sea Empire if you want to see the Norse at their best.

>>1787395
I think so, I'm unsure.

I read "Germania", so I'm not qualified to speak on elsewhere.

>>1786536
The Irish fucked them up big time in reprisal for their monastery attacks, in the Irish annals the Irish laugh at the Vikings calling them skinny rat
s.

>Be Sven the Viking
>Attack Irish monostery, behead a few old Irish monks, think you're hot shit.
> Later on Seamus Macmurdha, art Mael Boruma of Clan Mcsomething comes and fucks you up in seconds
Sven dies in a bog in Ireland

>>1787610
Early Middle Ages Ireland was pretty nifty, shame they seemed to only stay local.

Then again, how long did the Kingdom of the Isles last?

They're great, it's usually revisionist Brits who won't accept that they were btfo several times during history because m-muh empire.

>>1787357
Empire*, actually.

>>1787759
I imagine that the North Sea Empire is the most clear of an empire, but the Kingdom of the Isles and such might seem rather Imperial.

>>1786349
Has anyone ever said, "Hey, lets go out for some Viking Food."? No.

>>1788456
And no Viking fast food either. What would it be? A deep fried, hand knitted sausage casing filled with oatmeal, pickled herring and sour cream dipping sauce. Yum!>>1787759

>>1788456
Have you SEEN British "food"

>>1787391
>>1787395
scandinvians are mainly blonde haired, redhair is rare.

>>1786550
>Who did they Normans descend from?
Mostly the French

>>1786550
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normans
The Normans (Norman: Nourmands; also known as the vikings, French: Normands; Latin: Normanni) were the people who in the 10th and 11th centuries gave their name to Normandy, a region in France. They were descended from Norse ("Norman" comes from "Norseman"[1]) raiders and pirates from Denmark, Iceland and Norway who, under their leader Rollo, agreed to swear fealty to King Charles III of West Francia.[2

>>1787357
Listen to this anon. Better than youll get from 90% of /his/ posters these days who cant keep their shit togethor as soon as you mention vikings, BF1 or black Hannibal.

>>1787357
As a self described Vikingboo I think this is a very fair assessment.

>>1786516
those arent vikings, those are actual norse warriors in conquest.

vikings were just raiders

>>1786359
>I dont really understand why they are expected to be impressive
Like everything else wrong with history and the popular conception of, blame the Victorians.

>>1786349
They had a vast oversea trading and settlement network that was unmatched until colonial times. Surely they must have at least been good at navigation or shipbuilding, if not only persistent. Hopefully we can all agree though that Christianity ruined it for them.

>>1786516
>britain and russia are both direct descendant states from norse colonizers
No.

>>1786349
Not in the way people think they are.
They weren't great fighters at all but people feared them because the raids were unpredictable and there almost nobody there to protect civilians.
They did have a few impressive campaigns though

>>1789732
Russia is if you believe the myht or Rurik.

>>1786673
The strong warrior meme comes from 19th century romantics and race scientists insecure germanics were so shit

>>1787395
Gauls died their hair blonde as it was part of their ideals of beauty.

>>1789943
>died
*dyed

oh deary me

>>1789943
>Gauls died
The only good thing they ever did

>>1789732

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normans

>The Normans (Norman: Nourmands; French: Normands; Latin: Normanni) were the people who in the 10th and 11th centuries gave their name to Normandy, a region in France. They were descended from Norse ("Norman" comes from "Norseman"[1]) raiders and pirates from Denmark, Iceland and Norway who, under their leader Rollo, agreed to swear fealty to King Charles III of West Francia.[2]

ok now we have established that britain is descendant of normans which is viking descendants

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#Kievan_Rus.27

>The establishment of the first East Slavic states in the 9th century coincided with the arrival of Varangians, the traders, warriors and settlers from the Baltic Sea region. Primarily they were Vikings of Scandinavian origin, who ventured along the waterways extending from the eastern Baltic to the Black and Caspian Seas.[46] According to the Primary Chronicle, a Varangian from Rus' people, named Rurik, was elected ruler of Novgorod in 862. In 882 his successor Oleg ventured south and conquered Kiev,[47] which had been previously paying tribute to the Khazars, founding Kievan Rus'. Oleg, Rurik's son Igor and Igor's son Sviatoslav subsequently subdued all local East Slavic tribes to Kievan rule, destroyed the Khazar khaganate and launched several military expeditions to Byzantium and Persia.

ok now we have established that russia is descendant of varangians which are vikings

>>1791174
The Normans were more French than Scandinavian, and only conquered England, they sure as shit didn't colonize it.

>>1791217
>>The Normans (Norman: Nourmands; French: Normands; Latin: Normanni) were the people who in the 10th and 11th centuries gave their name to Normandy, a region in France. They were descended from Norse ("Norman" comes from "Norseman"[1]) raiders and pirates from Denmark, Iceland and Norway who, under their leader Rollo, agreed to swear fealty to King Charles III of West Francia.[2]

>>1787363
>Implying Romans weren't multi-culti

>>1791225
And?

Patrilinearly descending from the Norse doesn't mean anything considering they intermarried with the local population to the point where their Scandinavian heritage takes the backseat to their French heritage.

And again, they didn't colonize Britain like you said,

>>1791244
>language, culture and elite class changes from celtic to germanic and again into germanic

guess the africans weren't colonized either because they weren't ethnically replaced

also

>>> They were descended from Norse ("Norman" comes from "Norseman"[1]) raiders and pirates from Denmark, Iceland and Norway who, under their leader Rollo, agreed to swear fealty to King Charles III of West Francia.[2]

nowhere does it say that they were french in there

>>1787391
That's because germans are not in fact related to Scandinavia, that is literally just a meme they fabricated in the romantic era.

>>1791264
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples#Classification

try better next time

>>1791271
We are still not the same race, even if the germans derived their language from us.

>>1791274
>There are five German races; the Vandili, parts of whom are the Burgundiones, the Varini, the Carini, and the Gutones: the Ingævones, forming a second race, a portion of whom are the Cimbri, the Teutoni, and the tribes of the Chauci. The Istævones, who join up to the Rhine, and to whom the Cimbri [sic, repeated] belong, are the third race; while the Hermiones, forming a fourth, dwell in the interior, and include the Suevi, the Hermunduri, the Chatti, the Cherusci, [a] and the Peucini, who are also the Basternæ, adjoining the Daci.

>gutones aka goths
>The exact origin of the ancient Goths is unknown. Evidence of them before they interacted with the Romans is limited.[6] The traditional account of the Goths' early history, based on the writings of the Ostrogoth Jordanes, a 6th-century Roman bureaucrat and historian, was that the earliest migrating Goths sailed from what is now Sweden to what is now Poland, and replaced inhabitants there, forming the Wielbark culture.

>Sometime around the first Century AD: the Germanic peoples may have migrated from Scandinavia to Gothiscandza in present-day Poland. Early archaeological evidence in the traditional Swedish province of Östergötland suggests a general depopulation during this period.[9] However, there is no archaeological evidence for a substantial emigration from Scandinavia[10] and they may have originated in continental Europe.[11]

>>1791285
Meme, if anything it's an example of elite dominance rather than displacement.

Germans are all ancient farmer cucks.

>>1791291
i accept your defeat

>>1791296
Fuck off Hans, you didn't win shit you autistic retard.

>>1791260
>Through generations of assimilation and mixing with the native Frankish and Gallo-Roman populations, their descendants would gradually adopt the Carolingian-based cultures of West Francia, ultimately resulting in their own assimilation into the Romance society

Literally the next sentence.

>>1791310
>culture equals genetics

the culture and language also changed after the conquest into a germanic culture and language

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I realise it's largely Irish or plastic paddies shitting on vikings on /his/ but in reality Vikings build the most important cities in Ireland, including Dublin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Dublin

>>1791315
>mixing with the native Frankish and Gallo-Roman populations

They were no longer Vikangz, and spoke a dialect of French in any case.

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>>1788502
no it's this actually

>>1791320
they were no longer vikings, but they were norse descendants, just like murigans are of english/german/polish etc descendants

>>1791333
Listing their achievements as Norse/Viking/Scandi achievements is thus as ridiculous as listing American achievements as English, German, or Polish achievements.

>>1791341
Back then French wasn't really a nationality, the Normans themselves didn't consider themselves "French".

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They aren't unimpressive, but they are sorta... faggots?

And I need to elaborate on that, otherwise its just a word.
We can start with their Pantheon:
>Odin
Odin is a gay old wizard Diety, who got ridiculed for hanging himself on Yggdrasil for Knowledge.
Even if he was manly enough to beat his brothers(Vilje og Ve), and is the head of his Pantheon with his wife, he is sorta looked down on, except for the fact he is wise.
>Loki
Loki is pretty gay. From the fact he has given birth to children, transforming into women for female socialization, to a lot of the things he do. Even if he presented as villainous in the Post Christan era, he did a lot of fun things.
>Thor
At first he sounds extremely manly. At second he sounds extremely manly.
Then you read his legends, and realize he was beautiful and clean enough to pass for a beauty women with some moral support(Thrymskvida).


Then we have others accounts of them.
Anglo Saxons didn't like them because they where cleaner than them. Which means braided clean hair, braided clean beards, and good hygiene.
The fact they also raided and settled made it more fun.

The various islamic sources have them to be less clean than a society that is ritualistic super clean. But they still portray their cleaning rituals, which where pretty good.
The Vikings that got hired as Vagarians where also pretty fit.

>>1791341
Unless the achievement is made through independent native civilizations, they are English/German achievements as the genetics are English/German, the culture, language, law, technology, inventions are almost only of european descent

it's like templates, the global society uses the european and particularly english template in their states, their nations are built through that template

>>1786516

Only according to theory that hasn't made any serious progress since the day it was founded and besides, Rurik and his male descendants are mainly of Finno-Baltic descent, they're even related to the Gediminids.

>>1791174
Of course we haven't, the Primary Chronicle was written almost two hundred years after the arrival of Rurik to Staraya Ladoga.

>>1786361
There's theories that the journey of St. Brendan the Navigator describes a voyage to America. There isn't really any evidence other than the story (no archaeology), but assuming it's true that puts the Irish there early 6th century. Not great evidence for it, but interestingly the possible America has a similar name to Vinland (they call it the Island of Grapes). Then the theories of Roman contact (also nothing particularly convincing). So always a chance that's not true.

>>1786349
Vikings tend to get overplayed everywhere else, so the getting downplayed here is just the pendulum swinging back, the reality is probably somewhere in the middle. Also, it depends on how you define good warriors, they tended to focus on quick raids, which tended to do well, but with a focus on a quick get in get out, they usually weren't prepared for an organized opposition (hence why they loose so many battles). When they did organize themselves into proper armies, they didn't really do any better or worse than anyone else-- the way a Norse army fought and was organized wasn't all that different from the way any of the other Germanic kingdoms they were fighting (a few small equipment differences, but nothing that would really change anything than the details).

>>1786349
They gained some ground and lost some ground throughout history
They weren't some superhuman boogeyman like Odinfags like to claim, they were just persistently irritating and invasive, especially for England.

>>1793039
And the primary chronicle is about rurik, not the varangians

see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia#Kievan_Rus.27

>>1786349
No. This board is full of assmad christfaggot morons who get upset when the vikings are brought up.

Which is worse?

WE WUZ VIKINGZ

or

WE WUZ ROMANS

or

WE WUZ KANGZ

or

WE WUZ MONGOLS

My personal distaste favorite is the Romans/Mongols

>>1793668
In newfound land here in Canada he have remains of those viking colonies though.

>>1786394
>No, it's just English butthurt
Yes, we're so butthurt about them that we have a hugely popular history centre in their former stronghold of York (independent Scandinavian kingdom for three-quarters-of-a-century) dedicated to their exploits and way of life
The Vikings literally settled in Britain and contributed to our gene pool and culture
We don't hate our Glorious Dane Ancestors

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>>1795482
VIKANGED

>>1794012
>We wuz vikingz
Not so bad really, mostly confined to sports events where people from scandinavian countries wear horned helmets and pretend that they were badass vikings. Mostly related to alcoholic culture, as an excuse to get drunk (my ancestors were vikings, and they were drunk all the time!)

>We wuz romans
I don't really know who does this... So i can't speak for it

>We wuz kangz
Hilarious. I can't be arsed to find a link now but there's a """documentary""" where african americans talk about how they were ancient Kangz, and it's really funny. I think it's called "The Triumph of Melanin" (took me a while to realize that it's real, and not a parody).

>We wuz mongols
Don't know who does this either. Fill me in pls. If this is about finns, then that's just a bad meme.

>>1794173
I've read about that and it's interesting. Something crazy is that (for reasons unknown to me) this research is highly politically incorrect and archeologists who researched in these viking sites have had their careers ruined. Beats me as to why. The settlements are confirmed by the sagas though.

>>1791424
Of course they were fit. Imagine rowing from denmark to paris and then back again with a boat full of loot. You would make massive gains. Just imagine how fucking huge and juicy you would become from doing that every year, holy shit.

>>1787311
>Eastern, not Northern Europe.
Just gonna pop in and say this does not mean they are Slavs.

>>1795617
>highly politically incorrect and archeologists who researched in these viking sites have had their careers ruined
sauce?

>>1795629
It does, because the largest distributors of the earlier mentioned haplogroup are in fact, Slavs.

>>1795617
>beats me as to why

really? the state(s) wants to project their ideal history, if someone challenges that picture, they'll be removed from whatever establishment they're in as every type of establishment that researches or focus on these type of things are either funded or created by the states, and everything which isn't controlled is blockaded and stamped as hoaxes

it's the same shit in every type of research area which is funded by states

>>1791264
Idiot
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples

>>1791300
He fucking trounced you, laid it out pain as day and all you could say was
>m-meme
Ha

>>1794012
They're all semi-valid
Romance countries literally wuz Romans.
Norse countries literally wuz vikangz.
Mongolic and Turkic countries literally wuz Khanz.

People laugh at Black Americans because they claim inheritance to Ancient Egypt despite their West African Bantu grandpa having nothing to do with Sudan, let alone Ancient Egypt itself.

>>1795617
>this research is highly politically incorrect and archeologists who researched in these viking sites have had their careers ruined
Can you explain further?

they were ok

>>1786349
Well, the Normans were settled vikings and they managed to conquer England. So, that's definitely something. As well, vikings were amazing navigators and explorers before it was cool.

>>1796543
Admittedly, many conquering peoples did not settle in huge numbers in the nations they were ruling.
The difference is that, logically and statistically (accounting for the 2,000 years and approx. 80 generations which have passed), anybody living in a former Roman province - whether Britain, France or Serbia - can trace an ancestral line back to a Roman solider or two. There is also the massive cultural impact they had on European/Western civilisation.
Black Americans probably have more chance of tracing a line back to Ancient Egypt through their white, slave-owning 5x-Greats Grandpappy than through their African antecedents.

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>>1795616
Oh man, I've gotta see this

>>1786349
>as this board says?

There's literally one guy spamming the board about how the Vikings were no more shit than African tribes.

He's probably some jelly South-American faggot or a sandnigger.

>>1786349
>unparallelled and ingenius ship engineering of its time
>great at skirmish warfare
>genius navigators and seamen(particuarly the norwegians but also the danes and to some extent the swedes)
>clean and neat compared to the anglo saxons and other europeans (nobles in England often complained that ladies took a liking to the Vikings because of this, documented by numerous letters)

I don't know why people hate on Vikings, they were superb at what they were doing. However, their ways of warfare became less relevant after 1000.

>>1786349
No, they're much worse

>>1795616
>we wuz romans
Meds butthurt their countries are barely 1st world today so they have to LARP as Romans/Greeks

>We wuz mongols
Islamified Greeks in Turkey who think they wuz tengriists and they wuz turks

Is it really correct to refer to the Vikings as a single cohesive group?

>>1797037
>Greeks have to LARP as Greeks

>>1797044
It isn't

>>1797044
It is correct to refer to them as norsemen, as a large group in scandinavia. However if you had gone to western Norway, you'd of course see slightly different culture (perhaps more than we think) than in eastern Sweden. These norsemen were seperated by the scandinavian mountain range after all, and only the eastern swedes who travelled by sea out of the baltics and up along the coast of Norway, and then into the fjords would meet a western norwegian in person. And vice versa.

>>1786349
they had an incredible navigation system but that's about it... even though i still want to learn more about their culture...

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>>1797037
>Meds butthurt their countries are barely 1st world today so they have to LARP as Romans/Greeks
Don't forget "Latin" Americans who, being subhumans monkeys who live in hovels, are desperate to have some other race to look down upon.

>>1797096
>700 years ago
This structure looked nothing like this 700 years ago. The person who made this should never contribute with content ever again.

>>1797053
The culture of modern Greece isn't the same as Hellenic Greece

>>1797124
Nobody is as they were, but rather some have more unmolested transitions into the modern day.

Places like Iceland and Greece have retained their language and religion for a long time.

>>1797142
Iceland has retained their religion? Has Greece?

>>1797191
Well, I realize how incredibly false that is when you look at it on the whole, but I mean that once Iceland went from Germanic Polytheism to Christianity, it stayed that way, just as Greece did from Hellenic Polytheism to Christianity.

no they rocked

>>1795620

that would break your muscles down especially without the right nutrition. It would make you stronger and lean

>>1791972

no, they are american acheivements, genetics have nothing to do with it. Even if they did, white americans aren't exclusively english and german.