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en differences between Orthodox and Catholicism.
1. Orthodox reject inheritability of sin. Death and suffering are human nature, we only don't suffer them when partaking in perfect synergism with God's energies, which we haven't since the fall.
2. The Orthodox reject the "satisfaction theory of atonement". The Orthodox subscribe to "Christus Victor" (the idea of atonement illustrated in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe).
3. Hell in Orthodoxy is not separation from God. Hell, like heaven, is experiencing the full radiance of God's light and presence, but with a negative relationship so that it is like fire.
4. The Orthodox reject the idea that our understanding of dogma develops. The idea is to keep the exact same understanding the Apostles have, invented terminology is not meant to develop the understanding, but to PROTECT it from being "developed".
5. Catholics define usury as excessive interest, Orthodox define usury as any interest.
6. The Orthodox reject the Catholic idea of supererogation.
7. The Orthodox reject Purgatory. The Orthodox do, however, distinguish Sheol (called "Hades" in Greek) from Gehenna.
8. Orthodoxy places enormous emphasis on fasting, in fact more than half the days of the year involve some sort of fast. And there are even some days which are total fasts, no intake, period. Two consistent fast days (almost every Wednesday and Friday, no meat, dairy, eggs, fish, oils or wine) trace back at least to the Didache.
9. Orthodox draw most of their priests from the married laity, but most of their bishops from monks.
10. Infants can and do receive Holy Communion.
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>>1785180
Orthodox hymns
Aramaic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nJP-4JzMhQ
Greek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1FzSC8DBs
Spanish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc91xrGtaKo
Serbian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUCF4ZXpIuU
Bulgarian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wm4RlnnaOU
French: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI92g8JWwn8
Arabic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8r5r4R2yuE
English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUjtgV6OPBM
German: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bYq1BqHURs
Chinese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS1uf0oQCg4
Russian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQAgrCuKwPc
Romanian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-rgQve74BI
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>>1785180
>Orthodox reject inheritability of sin. Death and suffering are human nature, we only don't suffer them when partaking in perfect synergism with God's energies, which we haven't since the fall.
There isn't much of a distinction here, unless it would e possible for a human to be born without human nature. Otherwise, you're inheriting human nature from your parents both being human and having a human child.
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>>1785185
And the Orthodox believe Christ and Mary both had human nature.
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>>1785180
>Orthodox reject inheritability of sin. Death and suffering are human nature, we only don't suffer them when partaking in perfect synergism with God's energies, which we haven't since the fall.
Uh...
>What is Ecclesiastes 7:20
>David still sinned while he believed in God
>Moses still sinned when he doubted the belief in God
>The Jews sinned massively throughout The Bible despite being God's people
>The Jews were responsible for killing Jesus Christ because they thought they were doing what was right practicing the Ten Commandments
>Samson still sinned while believing in God
>King Solomon still sinned while believing in God
>Jezebel was punished for falsely killing under the name of God.
I don't what is the point of this thread. The Orthodox are just as bad as The Catholics.
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>>1785207
Of course they did, Catholics don't believe differently either.
It's just that Jesus was Fully God and Fully Man, and Mary was born without original sin to prepare her to bear Christ in her womb.
Why didn't God just do to everyone else what he did to Mary? Who knows? God works in mysterious ways. He chose to do this one thing this way, and we've all been saved as a result. Given how everything turned out, I'm willing to accept certain strange elements, especially because there may be more going on with the redemption of humanity than we're aware of.
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>>1785245
>Mary was born without original sin
Where in the Bible is that?
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>>1785254
It's extrapolated from Scripture through the operation of our Reason. It's the harmonizing of Faith and Reason to arrive at correct belief. This is what Catholics do. We take Revelation, which must be true, and use Reason to sort out what we ought to believe as a result.
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>>1785270
To believe that Mary was born without sin contradicts what states in The Bible. Just because she was chosen to bore Jesus Christ doesn't mean she was any holy before and after just like how Christ's chosen disciples, Peter and Judas, back stabbed Jesus Christ.
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>>1785245
We don't believe you are born with 'original sin'.
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>>1785245
>blessed Koran-kisser
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>>1785245
Mary can't have original sin, otherwise Jesus would have been born with original sin. So Mary was just born without original sin.
But if people can just be born without original sin, why wasn't Jesus just born without original sin?
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>>1785300
>We believe Mary *did not sin*, because she was full of grace
But why? In The Bible, almost every person who was called out by God sinned anyways. What makes Mary any special?
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>>1785335
God gave her exceptional grace. She was singled out. She gave birth to God himself, that's pretty special. Parting the Red Sea is nothing compared to giving birth to God almighty.
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>>1785348
>She gave birth to God himself
Nowhere in The Bible does it state that Jesus Christ was God. He was the Son Of Man which
was entirely different. Jesus Christ
was the the Messiah predicted in The Book of Isiah. Being in flesh, Christ still
preached about worshiping The Father which was God.
In Matthew 28:18 it says "hen Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"
Also, in Luke 18:19 Christ himself said "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone."
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>>1785376
John 1:1-3
Christ is both the Son of Man AND the Son of God. He is two natures in one hypostasis.
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>>1785218
>believing in God=perfect synergy with Him
incorrect
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>>1785376
Arius pls go
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>>1785180
http://religiondispatches.org/it-is-time-for-american-orthodox-christians-to-protest-russias-persecution-of-lgbt/
>The complicity of the Russian Orthodox Church and Patriarch Kyrill of Moscow in Russia’s systematic persecution of its LGBT citizens speaks to a deep crisis in Orthodoxy’s encounter with the modern world. This crisis threatens to align the Church with some of the most odious actors around the globe and to undo so much of what has made Orthodox theology and culture unique through the centuries.
>It is time for American Orthodox Christians to object.
What did she mean by this?
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>>1785410
>some random chick from the laity expressing her opinion on an issue
ok?
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>>1785410
Nonsense, since the Orthodox Church in America made this statement this year
>The statement outlines the Orthodox Christian’s "sincerely held religious belief" that marriage is "a lifelong, exclusive relationship between one man and one woman," and therefore any sexual relations outside of natural marriage "is immoral, and therefore sin."
>The encyclical continues, "We believe that God created the human race, male and female, and that all conduct with the intent to adopt a gender other than one’s birth gender is immoral and therefore sin
>Even more explicitly, the document states, "Marriage can only be between two people whose birth sex is male and female.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/orthodox-church-in-america-aims-to-protect-itself-from-lawsuits-with-strong
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>>1785382
Yes.
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>Orthodox
You mean; Catholic lite! HAHAHAHAHaaaaaah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xVnIuaLCdA
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>>1785410
As a Christian I do wonder about what's "acceptable" to the public at large. Didn't Christ say that the world would hate and misunderstand Christians, because it had hated and misunderstood him?
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>>1785501
>Didn't Christ say that the world would hate and misunderstand Christians
Yes.
>because it had hated and misunderstood him?
Yes. There are so many Christian Churches out
there that don't even follow the doctrines or pastors that don't even read The Bible. It cares more about looking hip and cool instead.
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>>1785410
>deep crisis in Orthodoxy
The MSM everyone.
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