Was it state capitalism?

Yes.

No.

Pretty much isolationism/nationalism mixed with egalitarian dictatorship. Mixed in with state capitalism.

it was one of the many "JUST" regimes of the region

>>1784393
It was Socialism in One Country. Gas all Redditors who say otherwise.

>>1784666
>hating on Rojava

Suck a fat cock

>>1784393
No such thing

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>>1784666

>>1784404

The concept of giving power to the state in order to redistribute and equalize all aspects of a nation, whilst expecting it to give back all of its power is called socialism.

There is no way you can give someone so much power, that they will become benevolent and give it all back to you unless they are extremely selfless and fair.

It is much less likely, when you place all that power in the hands of over 500 greedy politicians.

And even less likely when they are backed up by a strong military capable of slaughtering millions of people at any sight of rebellion.

And even less likely when they are not required to please any sort of investors or 'important' people to keep that power.

And even less likely when you place the power in the hands of the leader and state of a society that has a struggling economy, low income, high spending and external danger which is the case with every single socialist nation to have ever existed and betraying any of those characteristics would turn him into a traitor and sentence him to death.

And even everso less likely, when they realize that with their power they can control the thoughts of the masses by brainwash and through media and know that as long as they are not literally starving, they will not rebel. It coudnt get that bad could it?

>>1784821
Pathetic.

>>1784873
That image is objectively correct.

>>1784881
>infographics
>objectively correct
bruh

>>1784900
If an alien had seen, experienced, studied and understood it, the alien would get to the same conclusion as that infograph.

>>1784393
State capitalism was invented by out of touch academics who try and pretend that socialist and communist states can still exist and be well functioning.

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>it's another inane semantic argument between trots and ancaps

Marxists should read Main Currents, libertarians/polacks should an hero

>>1784393
I always like to say that the USSR tried to achieved communism with Marxism-Leninism...... But that fucking failed

>>1784393
XX - XXI century fascism
Also, leftards mumbo-jumbo to make their heroes look less retarded

>>1784939
>implying Trots are the only ones who think the USSR was state capitalist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadeo_Bordiga
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_communism

>>1784923
nice meme

>>1785003
State capitalism is a meme

>>1784821

How is that a rebuttal when the Maduro government did in fact seize the means of production?

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>>1784994

Even more historically inconsequential than the Trots and ancaps. The USSR was obviously not communism as Marx described it, but the Marxian definition of "capitalism" is archaic (as is the notion of a cohesive means of production) , and in practice "socialism" is used as a term for far more than the Marxist definition, from the Labour Party's soft left to Bernie Sanders to scores of Latin American and African movements (even Duterte, worshipped by /pol/, is a member of a nominally left-wing/socialist party). In the broadest sense, socialism is a tendency towards redistribution of political and economic power from established elites to the "common people".

The problem with anarchists, communists and right-wing libertarian types is that they don't get that humans are a species that live in groups to survive. Any group needs rules that govern interactions to function and thus survive, and those rules can only exist if there is some ability to enforce them. Any population size that exceeds the ability for everyone to know everyone else personally, and thus operate using simple social pressures, must create a codified impersonal system of rules to be administered consistently. This of course necessitates an authority ,whether democratic or authoritarian, to decide upon and enforce those rules and WHOOPS! you have a government. Libertarians, Communists, and Anarchists wanting to get rid of government and states are like Ant's going without a colony or Bee's without a hive. You can't get rid of states without getting rid of humans because states whether democratic or tyrannical are an integral part of humanity.

>>1784868
not defending or attacking socialism. socialism is workers being in charge of redistribution, and the USSR wasn't that in any way. it was high ranked (non-elected) leaders making those decisions. add into that corruption

>>1785521

"Yeah but what about this agrarian society that lasted 2 years HUH"

>>1785634
But how do you think it could go in any other way?

A revolution needs a leader. People cant spontaneously rise up.

That leader when the means of production are seized will be in charge of redistribution since there is no way to do it in a few moments and without a system.
It would require a government to be established and the revolutionary leaders would be in charge of it even if there is no armed conflict of any sort because if it happens politically then politicians would become the leaders of the movement. People like Bernie Sanders.

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>>1784393
>tfw you managed to turn a third world shithole into a nuclear and spacefaring superpower powerfull enough to challenge America

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>>1786560
>tfw it all died before your very eyes in 1991 and it's now a shithole with barely any of its great attributes left

And this is why you don't want to delve into the black magicks of leftism.

I personally have, in a magical simulator I call Real Life. You should play it sometimes, maybe you'll learn a lesson or two like I did.

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>>1786751
That's more r/communism than /leftypol/

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>>1786761

Leftypol is full of larping sovietboo autistic neckbeards who pretend to be "redpilled" or something

>>1786764
Replace sovietboo with naziboo and you got regular /pol/tards.
Can't we just have them kill each other?

>>1786764
Nah, /leftypol/ is more anarchist than tank and doesn't do the trigger stuff.

Leddit communists are more Stalinist/SJW

>>1786577
>now a shithole with barely any of its great attributes left
wat? The only things the USSR was known for was its military and the fact that it rivaled the US in space faring. Now the Russian military is puffing its chest constantly and Russian rockets are whats moving American shit into space.

>>1784821
>implying socialist countries allow guns


AHAHAHAHAHAH

>>1786764
>implying
/leftypol/ communists are mostly libsoc.
leddit communists are mostly tankie sovietboos like you described.

>>1784821
>This is the utopia proposed by socialists

And the previous image is the failed reality.

[COLAPSE]

>>1786896
>being this retarded
>implying socialism is liberal

>>1786896
>commiez hate gunz

>>1784666
Daily reminder that it was th grossly mismanagement of the country's oil that caused the economic problems, not that it was 'socialist'

>>1787098
>>1784666
http://i.imgur.com/Ud2yyYt.mp4

>>1787403
Much of the memes of production are privately owned, but are forced to bend to the will of the state in Colombia. Hence the '''''''''president'''''''' ordering '''''''''private'''''''' businesses what to do. Doesn't really sound like real private property if the state decides what you do with it.

>>1787663
>Much of the memes of production are privately owned, but are forced to bend to the will of the state in Colombia
The Colombian state is just a servant of imperial capitalist powers and the largest Colombian porkies. And the bourgeois class and the state are one in the same in capitalism. Capitalism is not about freedom or autonomy.

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>>1787714
>The Colombian state is just a servant of imperial capitalist powers
>as the president blames the USA and other ''''''imperialists'''''' for his problems he only does it because he's their slave

Socialists are a special kind of retarded. They may as well rename the "No True Scotsman" fallacy to the "No True Socialist" fallacy.

>>1787730
what the fuck? Are you really mixing up Colombia with Venezuela? Man, classcucks are stupid.

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>>1784393
state capitalism is a meme

>>1787744
He's quoting someone, you mong

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>>1787744
Yes I got the two shitty South African countries mixed up, give me a brake anom

>>1787841
uzi mene

>>1787841
wow. just get out of this thread then.

>>1787868
No u

>>1784393

>Svalbard
>USSR/Russian

>>1787098
>>1787403
this is fucking with me

>>1785089
>>1787098

Seize the production of what? Their shit-quality oil?

http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/public-sector-employment-in-venezuela-is-not-so-large-as-the-associated-press-suggests

Only 18.4% of the population works for the government. France and Norway are more "socialist" than Venezuela, but neither of us would agree with that label.

>>1784393
Yes. Didn't you know? Everytime socialism fails, it suddently becomes a state capitalism

true self-sustainability=isolated capitalism. However, it is always marked by the blemish of social desires. In today's market it gets worse and worse with the advancement of technology and new technological markets.

>>1787378
>grossly mismanagement

The gross mismanagement that is historically characteristic of WHAT ideology, anon? Take a guess!