BC v BCE

>>1782145

I'm not even a Christian, but BCE (and its AD equivalent) strike me as remarkably infantile. I can think of nothing more pathetic than whatever fedora(s) go through Wikipedia articles, changing BC/AD to their 'PC' equivalents, as has recently (and frequently) been the case.

>>1782169
>implying it's fedoras
>implying it's not member of a (((certain religion))) that is disgusted at the idea of calling Jesus "the Lord"

>>1782145
Shut. It down

Look, making the same thread every handful of days-couple of weeks over and over is probably just going to encourage people on here to use CE/BCE just because they know it inspires such butthurt and autism.

>>1782213
I haven't seen this thread topic in months tbqh

>>1782145
Really? Who fucking cares? Why is it I always see a shit thread on /his/?

What's so bad about using BCE?

>>1782297

It's an autistic protest against BC/AD.

>>1782303
This thread is an autistic protest against BCE/CE

>>1782145
Yeah, because AD is explicitly religious. Be happy our calander is based around your "savior" anyhow.

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>ITT triggered fedoras

>>1782331
Couldn't care less about the whole BCE/AD autism. If you made this thread, it seems you were the one triggered.

>>1782331

Posting in the wrong thread?

>>1782145
Still not as bad as CE

I think it's fine to use it in academic or scientific works. Pushing for it in daily life is autistic though.

>>1782169

>I can think of nothing more pathetic than whatever fedora(s) go through Wikipedia articles, changing BC/AD to their 'PC' equivalents, as has recently (and frequently) been the case.

This.

Then again, the life of a Wikipedia editor must be a pathetic existence in general.

>>1782316

BC/AD came first.

>>1782361
>they started it!!!

>>1782145
The worst thing about the godless BCE nonsense is that it does nothing to clear up all the ambiguity of the change from BC to AD; it merely shifts it a few years.

What does the E even stand for? Existence?

I've always assumed it was that so that's what I've used even though I have used BC simply cause it's 2 letters instead of 3 (lazy).

AD? It could confuse some people who LITERALLY think it stands for "After Death", even though Christ is alive and well (always has been always will be even though he had a humanly death).

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>>1782173
Most Western Jews used AD though, faggot.

>>1782145
Same thing with 'Eurocentrism'. The people who complain about this the most tend to actually be the most 'Eurocentric' they can only view the world in a colonial lens where whitey is the evil conqueror and everyone else is only defined by their subjugation. Non-whites are just poor and tortured souls, everything they do is just directing their anger at colonialism outwards.

>>1782370
>godless
bias is showing

Why are people so instant of Jesus not being real? All I keep hearing are Dawkins say "Jesus wasn't real," all the while Tacticus wrote that Jesus was real, when he wrote of the history of the world. I don't think a Roman Pagan would lie about the birth of a well known yet rebellious citizen.

>>1782145
For those of you who don't know:
BC: before Christ
BCE: Before common error

>>1782373
It's Anno Domini, "year of our lord"

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>>1782145
>tfw listening to a fellow history major use BCE and CE unironically
>Ask him why
>"Jesus was never real bro."

>>1782593
I know but some people don't.

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>>1782145
>calendars
>time
>history
>being this modern
Top cuck

>mfw imagining unironically being so autistic that I actually know what day of the week it is

>>1782358
>Then again, the life of a Wikipedia editor must be a pathetic existence in general.
underrated

Fuck wikipedia

>>1782669
DA JE VJECNA

>>1782711
Sorry I am not /ex-yu/, only an admirer of your relaxed and simple ways.

Sometimes I feel like I am the only nordic poster on the entire website that is not an autistic wagecuck.

>>1782722
MAY SHE (Montenegro) BE ETERNAL

>>1782728
Yes that sounds very good, I hope the autism of calendars, clocks and work may never appear to haunt your people.

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>>1782145
>he actually cares about the distinction

I honestly wouldn't mind BCE/CE as much if they started at a different point.

Why are they trying to pretend that it's not based off the year Jesus was (supposedly) born?

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>>1782835
>(supposedly)

Tacticus would like a word, Mr Revisionist Cuck #20041

>>1782835
He was born around 6 to 2 BC. But for some reason they designate the start of AD/CE as year 1 (or 0 if you really want to).

>>1782846
You were too busy looking for a fight to actually realise his point wasn't about the existence of Jesus. Maybe calm down?

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>Tiw's Day
>Woden's Day
>Thunor's Day
>Frigga's Day
>Saturn's Day
No problem
>Month of Janus
>Month of Mars
>Month of Maiesta
>Month of Juno
No problem
>Before Christ
>The Year of Our Lord
REEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING CHRISTFAGS DELETE THIS IT ANNOYS MY SENSIBILITIES

>>1782583
>before common error
ERA

>>1782145
We use "before the start of our current counting system" (pred našim štetjem) and "current counting system" (naše štetje) along with "before Christ" (pred Kristusom) and "after Christ" (po Kristusu).
Both are 20th century creations, the first was brought in by the Communists, the second was a reaction to that. Before Communism, we used "In Lord's year" (Leto Gospodovo).
Anyway nowadays nobody gives a fuck any more and we use the 2 terms interchangeably and it's a 100% non issue for everyone. I'm sure it'll balance itself in time in the Anglo-Saxon world too.

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> Christ
> actually borned 5 BC

>>1782389
They don't.

>>1782911
>They don't

Proofs that the majority of Western Jews don't use BC/AD or you're a cucklord faggot

>>1782881
well
one of those is a Jewish deity
the rest are European

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>>1782921
Not him but even wikipedia agrees on him with this one.

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>>1782951
I have no idea who is jewing who anymore.

>>1782951
>introduced by Jewish academics

I wasn't aware the majority of Jews were all professors. And even then, "introduced" does not mean they're the majority of ones to use it.

>>1782955
I think the Mendelssohn family had strong autism genes, consider how strongly Abraham led his family into Calvinism

>>1782722
>Sorry I am not /ex-yu/, only an admirer of your relaxed and simple ways.
you gotta take into account that you dont get shit done like in the western world.

Well if you're a farmer you can get comfy as fuck (like my nanny :3 )

>>1782169

What the fuck is the "common era" anyway?

>>1782297

Its stupid because "common era" has no meaning, and still ends with the death of Christ

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>>1783043
> still ends with the death of Christ

>>1783050
>I can't accept the beliefs of a large portion of the world
>No I'm not the bigot, the rest of the world is

>>1782921
It's like 5776 to them. Curiously, however, in the third century, they compressed the time of Babylon's empire by 152 years, and the time of the Assyrian empire by 91 years for a compression of 243 years. This was done to enhance the "messiah" ben Kochba and to discredit Jesus.

So it's not 5776; it's just started 6019.

>>1783058
Death of Christ has nothing to do with Common Era, anon. You literally didn't know meaning of the term.

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>>1783058
>Death of Christ

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>daddy today at school in miss zuckerblatt's class we learned about dates. we learned that for really old dates you put bce which stands for before common era and then for ones that happened sooner you put ce which means common era. but daddy i was confused because i asked miss zuckerblatt what happened that made it switch from bce to ce and she just got really angry and told me to stop asking questions or else i would have to go on time out. why did she act like that daddy? what happened that made it switch???

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>>1782955

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>>1783304
Made me kek, anon

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>>1783358
<3

>>1782145

>Not notating years in relation to the foundation of Rome

I sign all my checks as 2770 P.R. (Post Remus)

I don't see what the problem is. "Common era" is a neutral and objectively accurate description. It is the calendar used by almost the entire world, i.e. most of the people who use it aren't even Christian. If you are a Christian and want to say "anno domini" then go ahead.

>>1782145
Because retards think AD means "after death" leaving 33 years of history missing.

Also wasn't Jesus born in 3 AD?

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>>1782145
>ITT: right wing SJWs whine about the secularization of knowledge.

The reason I use BCE/CE is specifically out of respect for the fundamental shift in human ethics triggered by the spreading of the story of Jesus. Regardless on whether he actually existed, or whether he was actually the divine son of God who preformed miracles, what truly mattered is that Jesus (or the idea of Jesus) created a profoundly different perspective on the way that people view each other. The previous "strong deserve to rule the weak" mentality of the pagans gave way to the "all men are equal in the eyes of God" mentality of the Christians.

Of course it was a long gradual, uneven crawl towards practicing what they preached and Christians were at times massive hypocrites about putting this idea into practice, but it was a stark shift from the old ways of looking at the world, where things like conquest, rapine, and slavery were seen as natural and inevitable consequence of living in a brutal, uncaring world.

To demand that people continue using the BC/AD system is to demand that people remain loyal to the protestant conformity culture that dissolved in the mid-late 20th century. By purging our dating system of its explicitly religious endorsements, we can have an objective, unbiased discussion as to how any why things were different, and how they gradually changed into what they are today.

>>1783487
>The reason I use BCE/CE is specifically out of respect for the fundamental shift in human ethics triggered by the spreading of the story of Jesus.
>I respect something by not respecting something.

>>1782900
Eh, it's a common error.

>>1782145
>13.0.3.15.4
>he doesn't use Long Count
I need a laughing mayans image.

>>1783304
It's funny 'cause it's true

>>1783401
Roman historians used Ab Urbe Condita (since the foundation of the city).

AUC > BC >>>>>>>>> BCE>>1783422

>>1783422
Because it's still based around Jesus, just with an arbitrary name change.

>>1782145
>He doesn't use negative years.

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>>1782951
>mfw the memes are true

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>>1785227

>>1782173
Jews generally prefer BC/AD because they find it offensive to call the period after Jesus' death a "common era"

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>>1783487
>purging our dating culture of religious endorsements
It was religion that started the gregorian calendar and religion that decided to separate a the time line between negative (bc) and positive (ad). Religion is the basis and creator of our current time system and we shouldn't rewrite history based on muh atheism.

>>1784807
This desu

>>1783304
>ITT Shit that has literally never happened

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>>1785416
are you autistic?

>>1783401
It's AUC (AVC for autists who don't understand Latin lettering) you idiot

>>1785260
It's not rewriting history, It's just changing the words , The knowledge that it came from Jesus's supposed birthdate is not hidden, no fact is being censored all the information is still there to read. Your complaining that the academic community tried to adapt the calendar system to a more universally acceptable terminology without suppressing the facts.

>>1785423
Are you? Literally any kid who asks in school what the the reason for the BCE to CE change is will be told it was thought to be the birth of Jesus. They will then be told we're using "Common Era" now to avoid religious favoritism. This is stuff openly talked about in public. You can read about it on fucking wikipedia if your that lazy.

I like how this triggers people here, I will make note to use BCE and CE now.

>>1785454

>christcucks
>not getting permanently triggered since 33 CE

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>>1785452
i notice you have zero evidence to support your claim

>>1782297
It makes Christians mad?

There's no reason for non-christians to use BC/AD.

>>1785468
Because I work at a school and thats an actual question that gets asked in history/social studies class retard.

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>>1785534
does your dad work at nintendo too?

>>1785468
>>1785542
Fuck off, retard.

>>1782849
The birth of christ was calculated backwards by some monk a few hundred years later.
It's suprisingly accurate

A liberal Muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, a known atheist.
"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!"

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.

"How old is this rock?"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied "4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian"

"Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now"

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The same tears liberals cry for the "poor" (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, DeShawn Washington, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!

The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named "Small Government" flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

Semper Fi

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I enjoy these threads.

on the one side:

B.C.E. is change for the sake of change, the change serving to eliminate a potential 'endorsement' of a particular religion in what many consider to be a form of scientific terminology. This is absurd not only because it is completely unnecessary and harming no one, but also because other scientific terminology already references various religions in forms like the latin names of species, the commonly accepted names for the days of the week, etc. Bottom line being, there is no precedent set for removal of religious-inspired terminology besides resentment of the organizations from which the terminology originated.

but on the other side:

With the tumultuous attempts to track down the exact birth of Christ, and other claims that he may not have had a traceable historical persona, the arguments for keeping BC/AD terminology are little more than wanting to continue because we've become accustomed to it. Although the turning point of history may perhaps be better placed elsewhere, the convenience argument does work with the year 1 placement, as everyone relies on these numbers for precise figures, but the terminology has changed before, and it was never officially mandated by anyone but the church, its just a general trend. There's no reason why, if someone has an incredible hatred for christians, they shouldn't use whatever terminology they feel like, and the same goes for the extremely apathetic and the religious zealots. No one is forcing anyone to use BCE, except perhaps some angry shits in academia, but the students put themselves forward to be taught by the institutes of their choice, and go on to work unenforced so no one could argue that it is a forced trend. Fight back against it with BC/AD if you will, it all comes down to preference.

>>1783043
>he thinks AD stands for "after death"

It's Anno Domini fuckhead , meaning 'Year of the Lord'

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>>1785440
>Atheist changes BC and AD to BCE and CE
>Atheist forgets that it is the death of Christ that splits the eras

You people have honestly run out of things to bitch about if you want to literally change how dates work. You aren't being killed in the streets and aren't being oppressed by religious people in the west. If you want to complain about religion, do it to Islam. Like the irony of some people is just downright idiotic.

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Universal Century when?

>>1783037
An arbitrarily defined period of human history whose start just so happens to line up with the year that is traditionally associated with the birth of a certain Jesus of Nazareth.

>>1786197
I bet Space settlement will eventually make us abandon stupid religious based dating system. Everything will be year 0 in the first serious colonial settlements.

>>1783264
5777 started just a couple of days ago, actually. Also, most Jews absolutely despise Bar Kokhba, because he was more or less directly responsible for the Jewish Diaspora. Even Middle Ages Jews didn't like him very much. You don't need to fuck up your calendar to discredit Jesus, you just need to point out that he died before doing anything that Christians now associate with the "Second Coming" - such a concept does not exist in Jewish theology, because the Messiah is supposed to accomplish everything within his lifetime without dying and waiting a few thousand years,

>>1782577
>Tacticus wrote that Jesus was real
Tacitus didnt wrote jesus was real, he wrote something along the lines of "nero accused people who believed some dude called cristus" and its all pretty vague and short, he didnt talk about jesus birth nor his life, he was talking about the early christians.

>>1782597
Well, there's no proof for jesus, its a matter of faith.

>>1786182

You are the ones complaining though.

Why do Christians think they are being oppressed by the fact that not everyone is Christian?

>>1785775
>If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now
Just when i thought it couldnt get better.

10/10 made me lol

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>>1782145
I just counter-troll them by saying "Before Christian Era" and "Christian Era".

>>1782407
Judgement =/= bias.

Stating "bias" without specific examples of omission or minimisation of facts is more just a statement of "this person disagrees with me", rather than any methodological wrongdoing.

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>>1786222
>Le religion will be irrelevant when we reach space maymay

I bet you think that the Big Bang was cause by nothing as well, fedorafriend

>>1786324
>I just counter-troll them by saying "Before Christian Era" and "Christian Era".
>I just counter-troll them
>counter-troll
Nigga what are you doing with your life

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>>1786336
Huh?

I'm just saying that when I see the acronym I say "Before Christian Era". If fedoras get mad at me they're the ones who are sticking their necks out and appear as "busybodies".

They get mad at me for me pretending not to understand the significance of the change in terminology, a large amount of butthurt on their part for very little effort on mine, hence "counter-trolling".

What's your objection to my usage of that term? Should it be "BCT"?

>>1786343

Sounds like you're really showing them!

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>>1786354
You'd be surprised how many fedoras it pisses off. Even if they don't say anything they know they've been ebin trolled.

>>1786343
Looks like you have a lot of time on your hands honestly

>>1786332
Not religion. The dating system.

Leaving earth will be the biggest shit humanity will ever do ever. Bigger than Jesus, as the Beatles put it.

Most Europeans use BCE, while Americans use BC

>>1786261
>you are the ones complaining
Atheists complained so much that they CHANGED THE FUCKING CALENDAR

This thread has actually convinced me CE/BCE is an awful idea, good job boys. Though I've always felt and continue to feel that the date system won't change for the conceivable future (read: numerous centuries/millennia) just because of how many systems are reliant on the dating system we had. If the dating system did change ever, (let's use New Era as an example) I doubt it would become New Era / Before New Era, folks would probably just use AD to whatever year and then NE, to prevent having to work out backwards dates for a system which was well maintained and used globally for hundreds of years. Which is part of why it's so unlikely.

>>1786716
>a system which was well maintained and used globally for hundreds of years

One almost might describe it as a "common era," wouldn't you say?

>>1786734
I've been swayed, anon. If we're to keep the year why not keep the name. "Christian Era" and "Before Christ" would be a compromise I would be okay with, as it doesn't actually claim Christ to be the lord.

>>1786461

spoken like a true Eternal Anglo

>>1784828
Because it'd be difficult to get other people to switch standards in a way that results in no confusion when translating the dates between competing systems that start popping up in the intervening period.
It's based on the incorrect BC/AD system because the commonly used calendar is based on it.
And BC/AD is incorrect because even from the Christian view it is wrong.
If it were based around Jesus then the dates would be shifted to reflect the current ideas on when his birth (regardless of whether it is fictitious or not) took place.

Common Era simply refers to the commonly held standard dating system.

>>1786586
Congratulations.
So did Christians.
Also for butthurt reasons if I remember correctly.

>>1786767
Doesn't seem like either of these would be accurate.
Christ is still just a title and the birth date is a bit inaccurate.
And it would also be wrong to place the "Christian Era" starting at 1 AD/CE as Christianity wasn't relevant or existent at that point.

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>>1786461
>The continent that had been the benchmark of Christianity has become the most cucked

>>1786821
No but it's the start of a dating system defined by Christianity, so not "the era of the Christians" as much as "the era the Christians created" if that makes sense.

Fuck I don't know make it the Caesarian Era and Before Caesar shit's all fucked up since they did the change in such a retarded way.

>Norse god name of the day
>Roman god name of the month

But no, problem is with Jesus even though you only use BC/AD in a historical context anyway (normies must use it once a month).