ITT: cultures that had to be destroyed

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>>1781739

>>1781765
>ywn have a mustache so grand that it casts a shadow

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>>1781739
agreed

>>1781745
Explain why, preferably with meme arrows.

>>1781794
Human sacrifice

>>1781739
All of them

t. Spengler

>>1781745
>Gauls
You want to genocide the french?

>>1781801
Huh, never knew that

they were performing surgery, not sacrifice.
prove me wrong, it makes more sense and has the same amount of evidence.

>>1781872
>what is the Popol Vuh

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>>1781794
> Entire empire dedicated to murderfucking people in the most horrific way physically possible to appease muh sun god

>Actual thousands have this happen to them every week or so, priestly/noble class get away with all sorts of depraved shit because muh sun god
> Every political power in the area has been doing this since forever stifling any attempt at real progress, because muh sun god

Had to do it, even though spacktarded modernists like to see them as poor oppressed indigenous peoples they're right behind nazi germany and modern day pakistan when it comes IRL evil empires.

>>1781739
>implying there were any cultures at the time that didn't execute people

>>1781896

But that's not true. Aztecs were not "good guys," but the sacrifice thing is massively exaggerated. Public execution was in Europe was more common.

>>1781786
Nothing wrong with being a furry.

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>>1781739

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>>1781914
>t. Clive Barker fan

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>>1781905
>>1781901
>>1781917
>implying execution is the same as sacrifice
>implying the Aztecs executed only criminals and not the war-captives and tribute that they coerced out of subjects
>implying Europeans executed children regularly, or dismembered them, or ate their flesh, or sold human parts in the market

Revisionists pls go. We can attempt to understand their motives, and give context to why they did it, but the sacrificial practices of the mesomericans were deplorable and widespread, and for the first European civilization that encountered them be the hardened and pious Spaniards, it's no wonder why those religions were destroyed so thoroughly.

>>1781786
>2012

needs to be fixed

>>1781745
Are they gonna rape him?

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>>1781940

>>1781992
>it's all racist lies
Stopped reading there.

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>>1781940
>implying euros didn't torture innocent people
>implying sacrifice is the same as torture
>implying aztecs didn't sacrifice captured warriors who sould have died in worse ways on the battlefield in the first place
>implying human flesh was a merchandise

even if the parents aproved it, the children part was certainly brutal, but euros were not as far

>>1782005
The text isn't arguing that though you illeterate inbred. It's simply going through different arguments in the beginning.

>>1782040
Fine, reread, concede your point

>>1782014
Of course they tortured people and of course many were innocent, Im not defending that.

I am attacking a religion that was so thoroughly based on human sacrifice that even their methods of warfare had the intention to bring back as many people to sacrifice as possible.

>>1782045
My point is they weren't acting that different to their European counterparts. And you may disagree with the religion, but there are other aspects of the society that was shamefully destroyed. We lost a lot of poetry, artwork, music compositions, theatrical plays like dramas, comedies, and erotic works, and a lot of history was lost as well. It's true a few of this did survive in the case of the Aztecs compared to other people, but we still only have a fragment of the full scope of their civilization.

>>1781739
But they had a food based economy, that's pretty sick.
At least the inca did

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>>1782014
> b-b-but teh euros did mean stuff too! They totally chopped peoples heads off n'stabbed people n'hung criminals n'sheet!

They didn't have great public displays of outright primal gore as the very centrepiece of their civilisation and religion.
The Mesoamericans cut peoples hearts out on an industrial scale ffs alongside all sorts of other nasty shit, just look up the mayan "ball game", shit doesn't even begin to compare.

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Spaniards did way worse things to the natives than the Aztecs ever did. Just read the own acounts of the spaniards during the conquest.

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>>1782106
> Petty brutality the likes of which is omnipresent across human history in every conflict ever

vs

> Centuries old institutionalised culture of cutting out hearts, eating the remains, doing weird ritual stuff with the body, building the entire state around collecting moar sacrifices because muh sun god

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>>1782076
Very true, too much was lost as there was an active effort of destroying the writtings codices of the native people

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>>1781913

from what Titus Livy writes: “When their city was in very great danger, the Romans placated Mars by sacrificing a man and woman of Gaul and a Greek man and woman.”

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>>1782126
Las Casas is clear from the beginning on a couple of points: first, the elimination of human sacrifice was not the reasons for the Spanish conquest. This is simply an attempt to justify what has occurred in the Americas after the fact. Second, many more people have died due to the idolatrous actions of the Europeans than the in the sacrificial cults of natives. Any fear of native return to these traditions does not outweigh the destruction caused by the continued presence of the Spanish and the system of encomienda.

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"One day, in front of Las Casas, the Spanish dismembered, beheaded, or raped 3000 people. 'Such inhumanities and barbarisms were committed in my sight,' he says, 'as no age can parallel....' The Spanish cut off the legs of children who ran from them. They poured people full of boiling soap. They made bets as to who, with one sweep of his sword, could cut a person in half. They loosed dogs that 'devoured an Indian like a hog, at first sight, in less than a moment.' They used nursing infants for dog food."

>>1782226
that comic is still cringeworthy

>>1782260
pretty accurate though tbqh. I don't get why the noses are pink though.

>>1782226
That's just Black Legend propaganda

>>1782014
Actually Aztec Warriors were skilled in less than lethal combat. They'd purposefully wound an enemy so that they could be sacrificed later

>>1782226
Once again, there is a difference between the institutionalized sacrifice of the Aztecs and the cruelty partaken by certain Spaniards under certain conditions. Neither the Spanish government nor the Catholic Church sanctioned the cruelty you speak of, and in fact took steps to stop it upon hearing about what happened.

>>1782226
>Implying disease didn't wipe out the Aztecs
Meme
Europe did have that phase of incredible brutality, particularly the Spanish.

>>1782088
>They didn't have great public displays of outright primal gore

Uh, yes they did. Executions were like festivals, attended by thousands of cheering people. And were often a lot more brutal than just stabbing people in the heart. And you better believe it was all wrapped up in religious ceremony too. And children were no exempt. It is entirely comparable.

>>1781739
Aztecs had a pretty cool thing going. Instead of killing enemy soldiers in battle, they focused hard on capturing them. And then they would kill them later in a crazy rite to their gods or some shit. So these people would have been dead already (since they lost in war) they just decided to turn their death into a sick ritual, worthy of a death metal album cover.

>>1782088
What are public executions you fucking idiot

>>1781905
bullshit

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>>1782356
You're forgetting all the women, young men, and children who the Aztecs forced their neighbors to give up as a form of tribute, along with many from their own population.

>>1782325
>>1782362
>comparing one or two people being drawn and quartered to thousands of slaves being sacrificed
w e w

>>1782509
Even le evil Inquisition had a total death count of 3000-4000 for its entire duration, a pretty tame tally considering how generationally butthurt the Spanish were over Moorish occupation.

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>>1781739
>Do nothing to these people.
>Like, do literally NOTHING to these people since they're not worth shit.
>They still raid you and invade your lands violently because MY WAY OF LIFE
The encuckment and subjugation of Central Asian Nomads by China and Russia is well deserved.

>>1782509
>one or two

Europe had more public executions per capita than the Aztecs had sacrifices.

>>1782544
Malarkey, hogwash even

>>1782088
>no great public displays of brutality

Nigga the fuck is you on?

Burning at the stake, drawing and quarter img, sawing people in half, iron bull, beheadings, top kek.

>muh pure uropeen rayce

Fuck outta here nigga the Europeans were just as brutal when it came to torture and public execution

>>1782563

>Between 1530 and 1630, according to Cambridge historian V.A.C. Gatrell, England executed seventy-five thousand people. At the time, its population was about three million, perhaps a tenth of the Mexica empire. Arithmetic suggests that if England had been the size of the Triple Alliance, it would have executed, on average about 7,500 people per year, roughly twice the number Cortés estimated for the empire.

You really have to have an extremely naive, rosy view of history if you think Mesoamerican human sacrifice is something exceptional.

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Public displays of brutality were common. It is amazing how people deny truth to justify extermination of people. The aztecs were no worse than the europeans

>>1782608
>using england, not spain
>time span includes civil war
>Mexica numbering 30,000,000
wews all around

>>1782609
How many of those cultures survived until 1500?

>>1782627
And in Europe, were they cutting out hearts and offering them to Jesus?

>>1782666
>If I don't like it, it's not true!

>>1781794
>subhuman savages that needed to perish or be enslaved for the glory of caesar
only one memearrow but it's enough

>>1782666
>And in Europe, were they cutting out hearts and offering them to Jesus?

No, European religious executions were a lot more brutal than that.

>"The second myth [according to Mann the first myth told about the Aztec is that human sacrifice was rare or uncommon] is that in its appetite for death as spectacle the Triple Alliance was fundamentally different from Europe. Criminals beheaded in Palermo, heretics burned alive in Toledo, assassins drawn and quartered in Paris—Europeans flocked to every form of painful death imaginable, free entertainment that drew huge crowds. London, the historian Fernand Braudel tells us, held public executions eight times a year at Tyburn, just north of Hyde Park. (The diplomat Samuel Pepys paid a shilling for a good view of a Tyburn hanging in 1664; watching the victim beg for mercy, he wrote, was a crowd of “at least 12 or 14,000 people.”) In most if not all European nations, the bodies were impaled on city walls and strung along highways as warnings. “The corpses dangling from trees whose distant silhouettes stand out against the sky, in so many old paintings, are merely a realistic detail,” Braudel observed. “They were part of the landscape.”

>In their penchant for ceremonial public slaughter, the Alliance and Europe were more alike than either side grasped. In both places the public death was accompanied by the reading of ritual scripts. And in both the goal was to create a cathartic paroxysm of loyalty to the government—in the Mexica case, by recalling the spiritual justification for the empire; in the European case, to reassert the sovereign’s divine power after it had been injured by a criminal act.

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Night of Tears: avenged

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>>1782666
>And in Europe, were they cutting out hearts and offering them to Jesus?
anon ...

>>1782488
>all the women, young men, and children who the Aztecs forced their neighbors to give up as a form of tribute
post at least one source to back that

>>1782666
>how many of those cultures survived until 1500
muh linear view of history
and if you count Europeans executing criminals in public then you could say LOTS of cultures survived

>>1782810
I'll try to find the exact source in the book I'm reading, but it was stated that many of the poorer allies Cortes ended up finding on his way to Montezuma were forced to give up their children from time to time as sacrificial tribute to the Aztecs.

>>1782824
Once again, name a single european culture that still practiced systematic ritual sacrifice of humans

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Its the same for the spanish horror:


Julius Caesar and other Romans were appalled by the custom of human sacrifice among the Celts.Yet the Romans had double standards; although human sacrifice had ended in Rome a century earlier, gladiatorial games and feeding people to lions were regular sport, whilst many thousands of conquered Celts in Gaul were victims of Roman atrocities, such as cutting off their hands and feet and leaving them to die slowly. By accusing the Celts of practicing human sacrifice, the Romans thought they had an excuse for their own unlicensed cruelty.

>>1781992
What book is this?

>>1782858
>as sacrificial tribute
They were given as servants until they were grown ups and the Aztecs did the same during harsh times.
The sacrificed children were exclusively sons of Aztec nobles and they were offered by the parents.
And yes the parents actually suffered the loss, that's why it was a sacrifice.

>>1782289
I am pretty sure that slavery was pretty sanctioned by Spanish colonies. It isn't brutal as sacrifice, but mass much more harmful for population in the end.

>>1782907
Fair point, I may have confused the two. Regardless, the Aztecs very regularly sacrificed children, in fact they even had a special holiday where they killed a twink who spent all year learning to play the flute.
http://newalexandria.org/papers/aztec/extended.html

>>1781875
a mayan book?

>>1782187
>implying disease didn't do the overwhelming majority of the killing for the Spanish

>>1782938
The Spanish did it, but IIRC the papacy condemned it

>>1782544
That is not even remotely true

I grow tired of these discussions

Muh genocide
Muh raping le natives
Muh ebil Europeans

Sure things people did in the past sucked. But to call colonization of the new world genocide is just nonsense. Disease wasn't intentionally spread and conflicts between warring groups have been part of the human condition since forever. Singling out euros pisses me off.

Fuck off with your guilt. I hope some shitty commie revolution comes so you and the rest of you tryhards get lined up against the wall and shot in front of your families

>>1782533
Agreed

>>1783220
Yeah. It's always circular.

We all know Europeans weren't perfect. We all know the Aztecs had industrial scale sacrifice. They both did shitty things and its so fucking annoying when people pretend as though this double standard justifies the actions of the group they admire.
At the end of the day the Aztecs were despised by a number of tribes beneath them, and if it wasn't really that bad then the Tlaxcalans for example wouldn't have bothered betraying them

>>1783220
> call colonization of the new world genocide
The real genocide was african slave trade, anon.

>>1783245
And the Inquisition sucked too but at least there was a way to get through it. If you're an Aztec prisoner you have literally no hope

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Why are humans so cruel?

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Germans had to be sissified.

>>1783258
And look where that has led Europe.

The Romans needed to be put out of their misery.
The Assyrians were a blight on Middle East history

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>>1783258
t. Rachel Goldberg

>>1781853
They slit the throat, drowned, and burned people in the name of Taranis and Teutates. Based imo.

>>1781896

he's talking about the gauls

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>>1783323

>>1782156

see, that is completely out of context because Romans really were utterly horrified by human sacrifice and the times they did it mark historical moments in which they reached utter despair and panic.

>>1781917
haven't several of those devices been debunked as hoaxes/forgeries? I'm pretty sure that the iron maiden has at least.

>>1782883

gladiatorial combat was mostly non-lethal and damnatio ad bestias was a form of execution for the most heinous crimes.

you can't just remove the context.

>>1781801
You mean a phenomenon present in countless cultures that eventually faded away in all of them (including the Romans)?

>>1782883
Except that it wasn't the fact that they were being sacrificed, it was about using those sacrifices in a religious context.

>>1784044
Sacrificial tribute was literally to prevent the end of the world and to enforce the authority of the empire, you can't just remove the context.

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The closest the world came to an actual evil empire

>>1782088
>They didn't have great public displays of outright primal gore as the very centrepiece of their civilisation and religion.

I could go on about methods of public execution such as drawing and quartering, but I'd love to bring up gladiatorial games in Ancient Rome. Literally the definition of "great public displays of outright primal gore"

>>1784153
in what way?

>>1781913
There's a lot of pedophilia among furries. It's basically a sex cult set up to match underage "femboys" with fully grown "alphas", and hush up any subsequent "drama".

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>>1782325
Yeah guys public executions burnings and the occaisonal drawing/quartering is totally comparable to cutting out internal organs on a daily basis an wearing their fucking skin afterwards.
It's comparable the same way lepanto might maybe be like midway.
>>1782362
> Public
> Penultimate religous observation ala pic related

You do the maths.
>>1782571
Hey I'm not one to pretend burning isn#'t nasty, it's up there with scaphism and the carpenters greatest hits when it comes to things you shouldn't kill people with.
Bad/worse, way, way worse, you ever seen someone get cut open irl? me neither I have shitty youtube documentaries for that and those are bad enough.
Burning though? oh yeah, bad, but doesn't even come close.

> Implying europeans are pure

Literally human filth, scum rises to the top afterall.
>>1784172
> Literally the evilest empire ever to grace western civilisations popular memory
>some bumfuck primitives who liked their blood sports

Bring em up.

>>1784205
>Rome
>Evil
You wouldn't be here posting on 4chan if it weren't for Rome.

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>>1784210
I wouldn't be shitting into my ceramic toilet either, doesn't mean I owe them anything,

>>1782906
1491

>>1783255
surplus population.

>>1784314
WWIII when?

>>1784067
Yes.

I mean that.
Romans had abolished human sacrifice by that time, and with their legal system, scientific achievements, infraestructure, education and semi-republican aristocratic institutions, they were clearly the superior culture.

Despite the modern romantic view, nothing of value was lost by wiping the Celts, Germanics, Celtiberians and other barbarian cultures that the Romans stomped into the ground.

Only with the Egyptians, Greeks, Macedonians, Persians and PERHAPS Carthaginians could you make the case that something was lost. But even Egyptian culture was a shadow of itself by the time the Romans arrived in the Nile.

>>1784184
By playing dumb like you are, duh.

>>1781739
there is literally nothing wrong with human sacrifice

>>1783220
yes, but the europeans did something unique

via disease, collonialism, enslavment, molestation, rape, robbery, and murder they wiped out the culture and 75 percent of the population of 2 continents worth of people

the aztecs may have been brutal, but they didnt fuck over 2 continents woth of people

>>1784651
>of value

Hot opinions. I'd personally prefer to see what would have come of the Gauls eventually forming into city-states, as even Caesar himself admitted to them being on the cusp of. I would consider the potentially greater diversity of thought and culture to be more valuable than anything that scientifically and philosophically stagnant Roman empire would have brought to the table.

fuck off. the destruction of aztec culture is the single most tragic thing in human history.

>>1781940
>were deplorable
spooks clouding your vision?

>>1781940
>>1781896
>>1782126
see
>>1785277

>>1782054
And that's a valid distinction, but I don't think it's an important one, if that makes sense?

Like, yeah, that's true, but it's not like the religion is based in sadism or cruelty, it's based on the idea that the sacrifice is fueling the continual operation of the cosmos, and it's a necessary evil.

So while it's true that aspect of it is unique, it's also true that you cannot argue that there's a moral high or lowground in regards to it. If anything the aztecs have the excuse of doing it for an arguably noble purpose in their eyes and at least treating their sacrifice's well whereas the people murdered in equally gorey manner in europe via execution were treated like garbage before they died.

Personally I don't think there's much to be gained in these discussions, it's just a dick measuring contest of who was slightly less shitty then the other.

>>1785654
*needed

>>1782088
>They didn't have great public displays of outright primal gore as the very centrepiece of their civilisation and religion.

see the text in >>1781992 or >>1785277

>>1782532
3000 per what? city, year, inquisitor?

>>1784153

Nah you're just a fucking dumbass who bought into the "Nazi's are evil" meme

The reality is that they were no more evil than France, Britain, America or any of the colonial powers.

>>1785712
Centuries

>>1784172
most gladiator matches did not involve death.

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>>1781739

>>1785712
>The Spanish Inquisition is often cited in popular literature and history as an example of Catholic intolerance and repression. Modern historians have tended to question earlier accounts concerning the severity of the Inquisition. Henry Kamen asserts that the 'myth' of the all-powerful, torture-mad inquisition is largely an invention of nineteenth century Protestant authors with an agenda to discredit the Papacy.[2] Although records are incomplete, about 150,000 persons were charged with crimes by the Inquisition and about 3,000 were executed.

>>1782128
>implying native americans had writing systems

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>>1781739

>>1781912

I didn't know that the Dwemer were inspired by the Assyrians in this as well xD

>>1784205
>Yeah guys public executions burnings and the occaisonal drawing/quartering is totally comparable to cutting out internal organs on a daily basis an wearing their fucking skin afterwards.

Again, it was no more "on a daily basis" than in Europe, where they killed more. And stabbing someone in the heart is a relatively humane execution method.

What you have to realize is that what the Spanish found shocking was not the brutality of it. They were used to brutality. Rather, they misinterpreted the veneration of blood as a perversion of the Christian sacrament. They thought the Aztecs were *literally* Satan worshippers.

The other thing to realize is that the Spanish arrived right in the middle of an unprecedented crisis in the Triple Alliance. Their wars to gather captives were not routine, they were a desperate response to the worst drought in their history.

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>>1781739
Prussia

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>>1786441
While I agree with most of what you said, they weren't stabbing people in the heart, they were slicing open the chest cavity and pulling out the heart, which I would assume is considerably more painful.

>>1781765
>Germs
>culture

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>>1783637
lel.

Yeah yurups were gud boyz.

>>1786327
how can you be so ignorant?

>>1786737
No one is arguing that burnings didn't happen, dummy, that's basically the easiest way to kill people in a spectacular and terrorizing way.

But elaborate and intricate devices, many of which used parts that wouldn't be easy to produce until the industrial revolution? That's starting to get fishy.

>>1781905
>>1781992
>>1782014
>>1782571
>>1782325
>>1782362

Religion based around human sacrifice of war captives. Not acceptable.

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The problem with the Aztecs isn't that they did the sacrifices, it's that their reasoning made it far less likely that they would ever stop. The Europeans typically required some justification for killing and, even it was in poor taste, made a distinction between criminal and standard public life. For the Aztecs, sacrifice WAS a part of public life, not just as a spectacle but as a participatory act. You may run a few months without an execution in Europe (unless an admittedly corrupt ruler needed to scare his subjects into submission) but the Aztec sacrifices were scheduled, industrial, and based entirely in an irrational cause and effect reasoning in which sacrifice led to reward. Because the European system was so much more loose, there was wiggle room for rule of law and legitimate punishment to set in. The Aztecs were too rigid to allow that.

>pic mostly unrelated

>>1781896
Pakistan?

>>1785625
>I'd personally prefer to see what would have come of the Gauls eventually forming into city-states
The Germans would have overran Gaul 400 years ahead of schedule.

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>>1787194
>Sacrifice WAS a part of public life, not just as a spectacle but as a participatory act.

It's the same treatment they got for criminals.

The act of watching a public execution is the same, regardless of the person hanged.

>>1784153
The third reich was the hero in the tale that was ww2

>>1787486
The only arguement so far has just been "nuh uh" when me and the other Anon(s) point out the distinct differences, both philosophical and political, between criminal execution and blood rituals to convince the sun to rise/rains to fall/good harvest/king has a question to ask the gods/etc.

In one system, the killing theoretically could stop if everyone was good, in the other system the world would end if you didn't cut 12 virgins hearts out and eat their flesh because somebody tipped over a holy urn in the temple.

>>1787194
There is no telling, but there was disagreements with the practice. Nezahualcoyotl for example banned it in most of his city (Texcoco, which was part of the Triple Alliance). There's implications in Aztec texts that there may have been factions or point of views opposed to it, such as one where the Toltecs are told to sacrifice their children. One group does, another does not. And one figure shrouded in ambiguity, Quetzalcoatl the man, folklore hero, and/or god, was said to refuse human sacrifices as offerings. He was generally most sympathetic towards humans as he risked himself in the Underworld to recover the bones to make humanity. Even his sun era was said to fail cause he was too nice to humans. His rival, Tezcatlipoca on the other hand liked to troll humanity and often recieved human sacrifices. The Spanish friars were quick to pick up on this, and tried to brand Quetzalcoatl as an apostle of Jesus or if I'm not mistaken Christ himself. Tezcatlipoca naturally, was cast as the Devil. That said, Aztec philosophy likely had many schools of thought. At times it was very existential and the question of whether the Gods were real has come up in their poetry. Perhaps criticisms of human sacrifice existed too. We can't know the full extent of this, whether there was or not unfortunately since most of the Aztec text and philosophies are destroyed.

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>>1787486
Watching some be hanged for murder is still different then watching domes heart be cut out and eaten while they are still alive for a religious reason.

>>1787593
>In one system, the killing theoretically could stop if everyone was good
....really? "Only bad people got executed"?

Are you retarded?

>>1787600

What about watching a 12 year old getting hanged for stealing bread, and cheering it on in a crowd of thousands? What about literally ripping someone in half because their interpretation of your shared religion is different from yours?

>>1787619
They didn't go out an hunt that boy down like a predator looking for prey. Who stopped doing those things on their own, Europeans who did not, mezoamericans.

>>1781905
Ok one it sort of is. At the least it's more true than your claim. European human sacrifice, while it had been a thing, had died off by that point. The Mexica people (aztecs) were doing this shit bout the same time as Oxfords founding.
That said, they were very respectful to the captives, and saw them as noble sacrifices endowed with the greatest honor in the world. (Long story short they were stopping the butrape of everyone by rattlesnake-dicked skelewomen, so tumblr.) The sacrifices ranged from simple bloodletting, to drawing a barbed thread through the tongue, to marrying a couple of virgins, having them jump through a fire and/or skin them and wear them as a cloak, to sacrificing about a dozen crying children. Yes they had to be crying, it was very important. No, I don't know why. It just had to be that way.
Were they evil? No. Commoners could enter the nobility and everyone, slaves to emperors, had a mandatory education. They were some of the friendliest fellows you could hope for as a neighboring empire, save for when they decided you needed to go to Muh Sun God. Hence why the neighbors teamed up with Cortez to wipe them from the earth.

>>1782268
Red nose is a reddit meme. Also, the comic is cringy because it's proposing people to not be ethnocentric when it comes to a different culture, even ones eh are barbarous or approve of mass killing with societal approval.

That comic could replace the Aztecs w/ nazis and then you see the problem and why it is cringy.

>>1787696
>Yes they had to be crying, it was very important. No, I don't know why. It just had to be that way.

There is a reason why, my gf told me once. She is an expert on Aztec religion I can ask her.

>>1787616
>theoretically

Following European contact, and with disease wiping out most of them, the Aztecs thought more sacrifices would appease whatever god they had angered. They weren't always cutting open thousands of people, and their wars were fairly subdued. We happened to record their last days, and the height of their barbarism, into the written record.

All that said, the Aztecs were a culture considerably less advanced than Europe at the time, and shouldn't be compared to it on the same level.

>>1784153
you mean the united states?

>>1782076
>erotic works
Did indians really have erotic art?

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>>1786327
>implying native americans had writing systems"

Ignorant & eurocentric

>>1787696
>European human sacrifice, while it had been a thing, had died off by that point.

Semantics. Europeans had ritualized killing for trivial offenses in bigger numbers than the Aztecs, and treated it as entertainment. Do the nominal reasons really matter?

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>>1787882
They had erotic poetry (very few survive and some that did were censored). The friars make mention of erotic dances and performances in theater which were banned. As for artwork you don't see it much for the Aztecs, but there's plenty for Mesoamerica. Tlatilco, Maya art, and a little in the codex borgia.

>>1785811
go away and rewrite history somewhere else, preferably /pol

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>>1788166

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>>1788195

>>1786449
t. buttmad Austrian

>>1788206
If you have Jstor access you can read this.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4491088?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Huemacs story is also quite hilarious. His downfall was his lust for a woman with a fat ass.

>>1788195
>>1788206
Wiping out their culture was probably doing them a service, everyone always looks miserable in mesoamerican art
probably because they're terrified of being sacrificed

>>1785811
Nazis ate evil because they brought the abuses and terrors of the colonies to Europe.

Remember Europe ruling standards for Europe and colony ruling standards for colonies. Protest in the motherland you let to run or slow it down, protest in colonies release the hounds and spare no quarter in treatment of the native protesters (they aren't ready for equal rights).

>>1788195
There was one that had a man receiving blow.

>>1787717
Please do. I know it had something to do with a rain god/goddess but I never found out the reason myself.

>>1783637
yes the iron maiden had no spikes in it
it was like a very small prison cell

after us troops captured it in ww2 some one mounted spikes in it to have something more spectacular in his museum

>>1788234
thicc

>>1784153

>Evil

Sure thing friend.

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>>1788244
Looks pretty desu

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>>1788258
In Maya art?

>>1781739
>Aztecs doing human sacrifices due to religious beliefs
>omg such barbaric they deserve to be exterminated

>White Europeans enslaving Africans for centuries and fucking up 2/3 of the world with colonialism
>well that was pretty common fort he time dont judge the past with todays standards uwu also Ottomans!1!1

>>1781896

And just like Nazi Germany, the Aztec Empire had a god tier sense of aesthetics. There must be something about getting really riled up to conquer your neighbours that inspires you to make your cities and armies look as awesome as possible.

>>1787948
>Europeans had ritualized killing for trivial offenses in bigger numbers than the Aztecs,

This is complete horse shit. The Aztecs had ritual sacrifices that would last 3 days of non stop killing, the death tolls would range into the tens of thousands. I want to see your source on Europeans killing more people in human sacrifices.

Anyone have that badass image of the Conquistador standing over the Aztec city? It's some type of painting or drawing, all in warm colors. It's from the perspective of the top of a pyramid

>>1786737
>burning witches
I don't get where this meme comes from.
A small percentage of people executed by burning were charged with witchcraft and a small percentage of people executed for witchcraft were burned. Other methods were way more popular.
Is it because of Jeanne d'Arc?

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>>1781745
barbarians were truly the ancient niggers. they had the niggliest names too

>vercingetorix
>Boiorix
>Teutobod
>Boduognatus

>>1788714
>The Aztecs had ritual sacrifices that would last 3 days of non stop killing, the death tolls would range into the tens of thousands.

I hate to be that guy, but who claimed this? That sounds extremely unlikely to me, simply because it seems as though it would have been unsustainable.

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>>1788754

I gotchu b

>>1782187
>many more people have died due to the idolatrous actions of the Europeans than the in the sacrificial cults of natives.

What is this revisionist shit? Natives killed hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions before the Spanish arrived. Most of the natives died due to disease, there wasn't even enough of them for the Spanish to surpass the natives killing spree.

Go back to tumblr you fucking idiot.

>>1788804
It was unsustainable. Thats why they had the "flower wars" where they maimed the warriors of neighboring civilizations, made them captives, and brought them back to the cities.

>>1788785
Don't you realize 'barbarian' was a blanket term for anyone outside of the Roman empire? It was used to refer to gauls, britons, germans, parthians, spaniards, and basically anyone else who was outside of their borders.

>>1788868
Well yeah, but even at that, for a society without riding animals or the wheel, even that would be ridiculously unsustainable. You also didn't answer the first question, who claimed it? It sounds like Conquistador propaganda.

>>1788804
>source report that at the re-consecration of Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487, the Aztecs sacrificed about 80,400 prisoners over the course of four days. This number is considered by Ross Hassig, author of Aztec Warfare, to be an exaggeration. Hassig states "between 10,000 and 80,400 persons" were sacrificed in the ceremony.[39] The higher estimate would average 14 sacrifices per minute during the four-day consecration. Four tables were arranged at the top so that the victims could be jettisoned down the sides of the temple.[40]

I gaurentee you won't find anything like this happening in Europe. Anyone who tries to compare Europeans to Aztecs in terms of human sacrifice is a revisionist.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture

>>1788951
> in terms of human sacrifice
You can compare in terms of genreal murders. The inquisition was real and klled billinos of people.

>>1788957
Bad bait. Spanish Inquisition killed 3000, which to the Aztecs is just another average Saturday.

>>1788826
Is this Crack Mullins art?

>>1782226
>its the conquistadors who wiped them all out
>not the viruses and shit

>>1788951
That's Aztec propaganda. They said that they sacrificed that many to make themselves look more badass in their histories. Keep in mind they often exaggerated a lot, like the Spaniards. Modern estimates for the sacrifices for Ahuizotl's newly built temple were around 2-4,000. Cortes himself estimates about 4,000 were killed per year.
>>1788963
They tortured a lot more people, which for the Maya was just as bad.

>>1788885
Barbarian literally means man with beard in latin, the word barber derives from this. operation barbarossa literally means operation red beard. The Romans would shave, and call those that didn't "bearded folk", it only got associated with savagery because people (everyone without exception) are fucking hopeless scum. If you read actual Roman accounts from back in the day, you will notice that for the most part they held their enemies in higher regard then this board believes.

>>1788989
>That's Aztec propaganda. They said that they sacrificed that many to make themselves look more badass in their histories.

Source? Seems unlikely and contradicts what a lot of historians are saying. And this is just goal post moving, you still have yet to provide an example where Europeans have killed 4000+ in less than a week for religious purposes. The fact is that the Aztecs were far crueler than the Europeans and your tumblr responses won't change that.

>>1782014
Did the Inquisitors torture children to the point of tears before killing them in order to make rain? No?

Then the Aztecs deserved to be destroyed.

>>1786449
This.

It's almost unthinkable now that Germany was once know as a land of laid-back, cultured people who cherished their liberties.

>>1781849
french are of roman/frank dna
gauls is a meme to create a plastic national spirit

>>1788990
>Barbarian literally means man with beard in latin

No.

Brush up on your etymology, pham. The origin is Ancient Greek.

The Latin term relating to beards ("barba") is unrelated.

>>1789011
Not the guy you were talking to, but what about Saint Bartholomew's Massacre ?
I get what you're going for, exemple of institutionalized violences by the church or state except war, but the subject is too much of a grey area to really agree on anything without autism

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>>1782754
>>1781745
>>1781801
>>1781896
making people fight each other and wild animals for entertainment is okay though

>>1788195
this is why they died out, the Egyptians also f*cked dogs

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Whoops, posted the wrong pic there.

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>>1781739

>>1789194
Those were all the moon goddesses, I can elaborate if you want. In fact, it's the sources I used for illustrations I did based on them. I can't post said drawings here though since this is a blue board.

>>1787486
>>1787619
While both scenarios are barbaric, the fact of the matter is that the Europeans were, in the 16th century, more likely to be lenient than the Aztecs. They did things in bursts of violence or in isolated instances, not as a ritual. That's why already at that time you had the beginning of humanist ideas on punishment that would eventually lead to the enlightenment while the Aztecs were still churning the blood factory

>>1787595
I suppose it makes sense that there would be areas where they either questioned or outright rejected sacrifices. I guess we can't ever be too certain as to how widespread any of those schools were or how isolated sacrifice was in the years leading up to the Spaniards. I'd be interested to hear about how those sorts of rituals differed between the various Aztec kingdoms.

>>1787619
The point isn't the result of cheering, you jackass. It's the intent of the killing. In one case, the beneficiary is God for a sinner being punished. In the other the beneficiaries are the people who get rewards from their God. Western Christians believed in punishment for its own sake, an ideology that gets tiring after enough people are effected by asinine punishments.

The US and Israeli cultures

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On one occasion, when the locals had come some ten leagues out from a large settlement in order to receive us and regale us with victuals and other gifts, and had given us loaves and fishes and any other foodstuffs they could provide, the Christians were suddenly inspired by the Devil and, without the slightest provocation, butchered, before my eyes, some three thousand souls – men, women and children – as they sat there in front of us. I saw that day atrocities more terrible than any living man has ever seen nor ever thought to see."

Eyewitness testimony of spanish friar Bartolome de las casas

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Encomienda system:

There was one royal official on the island who, when he was allotted three hundred natives, worked them so hard that, at the end of three months, only thirty – that is to say, just one tenth of the original number – were still alive, the other two hundred and seventy having perished down the mines. Later, he received another consignment of much the same number, or even more, and he saw them off, too. The more he received, the more he killed.

During the three or four months I was there, more than seven thousand children died of hunger, after their parents had been shipped off to the mines, and I saw many other horrors also.

It was later decided to hunt down the natives who had fled into the mountains, and the subsequent hunting parties were responsible for carnage beyond belief. Thus it was that the whole of the island was devastated and depopulated, and it now affords, as we discovered on a recent visit, a moving and heartrending spectacle, transformed, as it has been, into one vast, barren wasteland.

when mexico city is underwater i think the historical revisionists will know that the aztecs were right.

nature is a blood factory too.

>>1782801
ah, yes, the head-smashy skull-cracker, as sanctioned by christ himself in proverbs 3:16

every good christian attends weekly head poppings, has been that way since the beginning

i do love tradition

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>>1781896
>modern day pakistan
>evil

>>1789269
bu-but natives were killed by smallpox not by slavery .

>>1787194
>the Aztec sacrifices were scheduled, industrial, and based entirely in an irrational cause and effect reasoning
>industrial

No, that was german efficiency.

>>1783615

Wasn't this when Hannibal was wrecking their shit and stomping up and down the peninsula?

>>1788293
So I asked and yes it has to do with Tlaloc, who's the Lord of Rain. And this is what the tears allude to. Also, children sacrificed were diseased and deformities associated with the water. Interestingly, Tlaloc also has little kind of helpers call Tlaloque who are small like children. Each one has a name, there are four of them, and they are associated with the four directions.

>>1790140
>>1789269
>>1789260
>since many Spaniards were cruel, it somehow makes the human sacrifices okay!
Our argument here is about what the Aztecs did, try to keep up.

>>1781992
>direct quotes
>no footnotes or anything to prove where the quotes are from
lel

>>1785592
Because they couldn't

German
Soon at least
Cant let them destroy europe yet again

>>1790122
>actively exports terror and suppresses people who live in their country.
>bomb their own villages to show how badass they are
>not evil.

>>1790205
Thank you, and your gf, was always curious about that part.

>>1791177
Honestly any society in an area with few resources tends to become very much inclined towards conquest and competition. The only reason the indians never progressed past stone age equipment was because north america was so bountiful that there was no need to. Europe was harsh enough to motivate people to start finding more efficient ways of dicking each other over is all. Mesoamerica was all junglely, but metals were few and far between, and the food tried to eat you first.

Rome

>>1791788
>>1791177

That is to say, The aztecs were stopped only by the limits of what was available. Or they had resources, but just got fixated on holding a beating human heart and showing it off.

cathars, bretons, corsicans, actually anyone who isnt parisian masterrace

>>1791803
>parisian masterrace
You mean the descendants of the plague of frogs in Egypt?

>>1791826
thats a myth, Erwan

>>1791788
>any society in an area with few resources tends to become very much inclined towards conquest and competition
populations expand to fit the resources, the amount of resources per square mile is largely irrelevant, if anything a low density of resources makes warfare more difficult due to the greater distances involved

now if climate change causes a mass migration there might be a temporary increase in hostilities, but once a new equilibrium is reached society will go back to normal

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>>1781739
USA, that's not even a question, everything bad that happened since 1945 was their fault.

>>1781739
ancient roman without a doubt, those degenerate faggots went too far and it's a good thing that they all went to hell.

>>1791921
Good, good, dimitriy, gulag has put some sense into you, I see...

>>1781739
Despite being fairly accepting and intellectually progressive, the islamic caliphate on the grounds it being the most dangerous ideology to be popularly accepted and can never change.

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Everything bad that happened since 1871 was Germany's fault

>Colonization of Africa
>World War One
>Russian Revolution
>World War Two
>Cold War
>the Euro

Every one of those events was basically started by the Germans, and so every bad thing to happen during them are the Germans fault.

Go Back in history:

>slaughter of Jews during Crusades and Black Plague (everyone did it, but as always Germans took it way farther)
>30 Years War
>The Protestant Reformation (the death toll for this being in the hundreds of millions)
>The Dark Ages
>The Fall of Rome

Seriously, every bad thing to ever happen in history is Germany's fault, and it's only gotten worse since Unification. Why did we not get rid of them when we had the chance?

>>1782362
>calls people idiots
>doesn't know what a public execution is

>>1792037
desu Germany should be broken down into principalities again.

And for that matter, most countries, but especially Germany

>>1781875
A Krautrock band

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>>1784184
>>1785811
>>1787504
>>1787801
>>1788409
>>1789202

>>1792037
t. Schlomo Eisenstein.

>>1788990
Dipshit. It's Greek based on the stereotype that all foreigners could say was "baribari." Nothing to do with Latin. Speaking of which the Greeks were humongous douchenozzles. All those claims of liking gays are wrong. They didn't like gays, they just hated women so much that giving affection, but not sex, to a man was considered preferable. Their understanding of medicine was tear inspiringly bad (the idea that the uterus could move around the body, for instance) and generally were obnoxious to everyone else. They're were Rome and later England and America derived their jackassery from. Greece was the root of all douches

>>1788957
How much is a billino? offer it in terms of picohitlers

>>1788606
Hey there friendo! Why doncha you take off your "death to cis" ball-cap and have a listen.

ITS A FUCKING DIFFERENCE OF CENTURIES YOU DENSE CUNT. THE AZTECS COMMITTED THEIR ATROCITIES UNCHECKED FOR OVER CENTURIES. EUROPE'S COLONIAL ERA BARELY WENT PAST 200 YEARS AND WAS FUELED BY THE PETTY CONFLICTS OF THE LOCAL TRIBES. THE AZTECS WERE SO HATED THAT THE NEIGHBORING PEOPLES DECIDED THAT CORTES WAS A DESIRABLE ALTERNATIVE AND TEAMED UP WITH HIM. Were the Euros ever so feared and despised that the local tribes put aside their pissing contest rivalries to fight them? No. The Aztecs were. They were certainly pleasant, but in a weird cult/scientologist way. Friendly, but conditioned to accept truly awful things as being good and normal

>>1791896
Good point, but most areas low in resources tend to have them condensed in a few areas, not spread out over the entire region.
Take for example west Asia/the middle east. From the Assyrians to the Hebrews (and the occasional mass murder they enacted in their prime) to the Romans, and so on and so on. zones containing resources are contested violently. Areas where nature provides an abundant amount don't tend to foster advanced math, or effective warfare. The native Americans were also steadily expanding, and would likely have started seeking out new territories given enough time. By the time the Aztecs were annihilated they had switched to massive farming projects to support their population, as game animals were no longer a large enough resource.
Btw regarding the league of longhouse builders, does anyone know what was their main way of adding new tribes to their group was?

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>>1788989
>4000 a year
So 67153284671.53 picohitlers?
Also pretty sure Ahuizotl was not a god, just a river monster with a tail hand.

>>1784145
but he stated that they did it because their religion comanded them that and that tey've built entire empire on that
and you just stated the same thing trying to mock his argument

>>1793296
Actually Aztecs were only around for about 2 centuries too.

>>1793423
I think he means the Tlatoani Ahuizotl who oversaw the newest phase of the construction of the Templo Mayor, to which the other anon mentioned about which was an event where they sacrificed thousands to celebrate it.

>>1781913
>there's nothing wrong with being mentally ill

>>1781853
>Doesn't bother verifying.

>>1783255
Because we are made in God's image.

>>1781794
Whether you believe in God or not, you would have to think that if there is anything Good out there, it wouldn't take the murdering of innocents lightly. Also the cruelness of the Aztecs was met with the cruelness of the Spanish, a scenario frequent in God's word. I'm not justifying the Spanish though, they appeared to be just a tool used to free the natives of the america from their torment and hell on earth.

Also South and Central Americans shouldn't feel offended by the Spanish in terms of being belittled, as the Spanish aren't exactly in a position to boast about life.

With that said..

2 Peter 3:8-9
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

So the lack of immediate help, as it looks slow in our eyes, is due to the fact God truly has the bigger picture in his sight.

>>1783255
Because we're exposed to the choice of evil. That doorway so to speak, it's open to us. Evil presents itself in the consciousness in the guise of good, a good choice. To steal and murder to get what is desired to be done, instead of the option to choose good, to be content with certain things instead of being afraid of what you don't have at that specific moment. Being afraid of what you don't have is why people take and murder. Fear is used against man to manipulate his choices.

2 Timothy 1:7
7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Now what's intriguing, is how much responsibility we have in making sure we choose what is good and true, a way that wasn't made by man, but a way that was already paved FOR man, for man to choose in the face of all the evil and in the face of the ones who choose evil. God has essentially given us a way out. We have to choose the way though. And depending on the amount of faith, belief, God will be with us. No reason to have shakey legs so to speak.

>>1793757
Bollocks, God gets a hard-on killing innocent people.
http://youtu.be/6IrtdLukslY

>>1793788
>God enjoys killing innocent people
Seriously anon? C'mon, laziness of doing your own research and opting for a youtube video, doesn't refute the fact of the actual context in which God demonstrates wrath.

It's literally the killing of innocents that opens the doors and experience of wrath.

Contextually, the Israelite's were given permission to move on evil men for their land. Contextually, over generations the Israelite's forgot God and adopted the ways of their evil neighbors to the point the Israelite's started committing human sacrifice themselves (like the aztecs), sacrificing their children in the hills of Israel, harming their own Israelite brothers and sisters....and in the context of what was written, God gave the Israelite's, His "chosen people" to another nation to be killed or enslaved.

God gave them fair warning even, to stop sacrificing their children. Only the Israelite's had gone soo long without believing they started doing the degenerate things we all do.

Jeremiah 7:30-32
30 “‘The people of Judah have done evil in my eyes, declares the Lord. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my Name and have defiled it. 31 They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind. 32 So beware, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when people will no longer call it Topheth or the Valley of Ben Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter, for they will bury the dead in Topheth until there is no more room.

>>1793579
Did not know that. Interesting

>>1793557
As an empire they lasted about 2 centuries. As a culture of sacrifice they were chased around mesoamerica by people they pissed off with their human sacrifices for a long time before settling down and excuting more people. For muh Sun God

>>1784153
>evil
You know where you are, right?

>>1784153

but those aren't Ottoman Turks

srsly anon, do some research (i.e. the Batak Massacre) and then let us know what you think. No other empire, except maybe Khan, has more innocent blood on their hands

>>1789214
>In fact, it's the sources I used for illustrations I did based on them. I can't post said drawings here though since this is a blue board.
Can you share them somehow? You've piqued my curiosity.

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>>1781896

>Pakistan
>evil empire

Pajeet pls

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The Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic.

>>1794841
t. MuhaJIR

>>1794816
Here's the tumblr links

http://67.media.tumblr.com/8cd1038fada20628c9c3c0311b421a9d/tumblr_nijxq7FxNJ1qmsicjo1_540.jpg

http://66.media.tumblr.com/df7e1d5e35964e87595fe70e36b783aa/tumblr_nijxq7FxNJ1qmsicjo2_540.jpg

>>1795041
I like your Deviant Art, no lie.

>>1793867
I have done 14 years of research. I opted for the YouTube video because in posting a small link I saved the effort of writing out all those instances of God being a bastard individually.

>>1793867
>>1793867
Tell you what, here's one more video https://vimeo.com/7038401
If you don't like it well, I have neither the time nor the energy to explain to you why the god of the Jews and the Christians and the Muslims is anything but a positive standard of morality.

>>1782533
pay the tribute cucklord

>>1794066
>Batak Massacre
>literally made up bulgarian folktale canonized
lol

>>1781739
Even if we accepted that the Aztecs were as awful as you claim, that doesn't justify their destruction. And it wasn't the reason they were destroyed.

Like any undesirable trait in a culture, it can be phased out over time (or really quickly if the conditions are right). That's called progress.

>>1784651
>Persians
>anything lost

What are you talking about? Rome never conquered Persia. They basically played ping pong with Mesopitamia.

>Macedonia

Kek. Only good thing to ever come out of there was Alexander.

>>1781739
Prussia. Germany used to be known as land of culture, science and spirituality, then these violent germanized Slavs/Baltics came and ruined everything.

>>1782627
The Aztecs started wars for the sake of gathering human sacrifices. They weren't even pragmatic villains, they sacrificed the able-bodied men. They were universally hated by their neighbors. Most other empires had some allies, anon.

>>1796014
Partly true. There were economic and political incentives too in many cases.

>>1795772
The Prussian nobility was 100% German.

>>1782666
>And in Europe, were they cutting out hearts and offering them to Jesus?
Nah, we preferred to burn people alive for making tea instead

>>1795168
Thanks. I need to update it. Been mostly posting elsewhere since DA has felt kinda dead lately.

>>1785693
>A huge portion of the people the aztecs sacrifced were prisoners of war, and ergo were crminals
What did he mean by this? If you lose in war you're automatically in the wrong? Might makes right?

>>1796241
>If you lose in war you're automatically in the wrong? Might makes right?
Unfortunately yes,the biggest terrorist attack in all history was Hiroshima and nobody punished America for it.

>>1796637
That's because the Japanese should be grateful for being nuked, It's saved millions of their own citizens lives.

>>1797253
Maybe, maybe not. Hard to say if the Japanese would have surrendered without the bomb or an invasion. It was a different world back then. Both sides were willing to sacrifice 10,000s of lives for the sake of foolish pride and pigheadedness.

>>1797265
No it's pretty obvious that the Japanese weren't going to surrender. The Japanese had issued surrender terms before the bombing that said they would keep their holdings in Korea and south East Asian islands. Which obviously allowing them to keep those provinces is a slap in the face to all the millions of natives they murdered and raped. Not only that, but they had a coup attempt just to stop the emperor from surrendering AFTER the nukes had already been used.

An American invasion was planned to happen only 2 months after Hiroshima, and it would have killed 10 times the amount the nukes did. So yes, the Japanese should be greatful only a hundred thousand died instead of a few million.

>>1797323
Should of clarified, the Japanese weren't willing to surrender on US terms.

>>1797265
That the Japanese would have surrendered regardless is indeed probable. Unfortunately, during a talk with one of the representatives of the Japanese government the president advised them to surrender as the U.S would soon do something big. The response was "we'll take it into consideration" which in Japanese polite society can be misinterpreted as "no" or such. especially since the translator thought the official was using the dismissive form of the phrase. President hears that the Japanese have decided to ignore him. Bombs away.

>>1797335
That's some real revisionist bullshit. It's well documented that the military in Japan did not want to surrender on US terms. There wasn't even cohesive plan for surrender by the Japanese since there was such a divide between the Japanese military and army.

>>1797344
Japanese navy and army*

>>1796226
What is your DA? reverse image search is shit so finding its going to be a hassle otherwise.

>>1797367
Yes, but how? How do we stop this rampant consumerism that is killing humanity?

>>1797398
its simple, we uh, kill the white man

>>1797424
>black people don't endlessly consume
>asian people don't endlessly consume
yeah, this has nothing to do with being white but everything to do with hedonism. to kill consumerism you need to kill hedonism.

>>1797501
I was being facetious

>>1782054
>even their methods of warfare had the intention to bring back as many people to sacrifice as possible.
source?

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>>1797501

>>1797526
>>1797567
>tfw can't even differentiate bad bait and a joke anymore

>>1782088

Not all mesoamericans had the same practices, and you claiming it was on an industrial scale is beyond retarded.

Also, using a fucking apocalypto image alongside such a stupid opinion.

Come on /his/

>>1782544
look at this revisionist white guilt cuck

BURN

>>1797367
What is that grill doing to that hot dog?

>>1797674
spreading ketchup on it with a butter knife
consider glasses

>>1782088
See the executions of the remaining regicides at Charing Cross in the 1660s. Particularly Samuel Pepys' account of Thomas Harrison and Hugh Peters' execytions.

>>1797501
Black people can't endlessly consume, they're too poor

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>>1797605
> #NotAllTeotl
> #Pray4Tenochtitlan
>>1786441
>>1798135
> It's not that b-bad, not r-really, w-what about other stuff happening else in roughly the same time period

Literally whataboutism, do they still not teach that shit in school?

>>1797351
http://kamazotz.deviantart.com/

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>>1782088
>the mesoamericans

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>>1798606
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my post exchange historiography.

>>1781739
Negro

>>1781739
you have no culture/shit culture. All European culture is shit.

>>1798776
t. Angela Merkel

>>1798172

> #NotAllTeotl
> #Pray4Tenochtitlan

Are you fucking retarded? Do you really believe mesoamericans we're all like the aztecs?

And its not whataboutism, its just keeping in mind we're more alike than we like to admit and that the reasoning applied for them can be easily applied to other cultures.

You are the cancer keeping this board so shitty.

>>1798172
Do you even know what Teotl is?

>>1787801
Edgy

>>1788826
White pride...
Praise god

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stuck between Nazis and Soviet Russia

>>1785811

>nazis were gud bois

>>1784184

>they dindu nuffin

>>1799721
if you're not Spanish then fuck off

Its like an Indian being proud of the Tang Dynasty

>>1799743
Why are you comparing them to blacks? Are you a racist?

I went to a catholic school, so I was taught that Cortez dindu nuffin and was good
Then I went to my edgy years and rejected it and said he was terrible because he did in fact kill people
But now looking back, Cortez saved untold millions of people from being horrifically and brutally murdered so some faggot with a bone through his nose and a billion feathers on his head could maintain some power

>>1783255
because that's just how we are

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>>1798840
> I-t's a valid tactic honest, defo not a fallacy!

It's a geographic expression you doughnut, do you honestly believe the civilisations in the modern day vicinity of Mexico were not interconnected on an intimate level just like the ones everywhere else are/were?

Aztecs =/= Toltecs =/= Mayans =/= Whatever the fuck Aztlan is =/= Those weirdo Olmecs.
Just like the horn of Africa or Europe, doesn't make the Basques Uralic though does it.

>>1798846
Pieces of god n'shit.

>>1801292

>>Just like the horn of Africa or Europe, doesn't make the Basques Uralic though does it.

What the fuck are you even trying to say here, its like the most retarded sentence in this thread.