ITT: >times when Germany fucked up in history

>>1781601
This

So, every time?
Or are we blaming the eternal Austrian?

>>1781601
Without Luther we'd still be living in the middle ages

>>1781639
And yet, thanks to the Pandora's box that Luther opened, the West was mortally wounded.

>>1781601
Oh how dare he doesn't follow the catholic dogma and stands up against a corrupt and power hungry church

>>1781663
You could argue that the pope and the church may have been at fault too

>>1781663
>>1781601

>Implying his actions didnt open up the gates for European critical thought

its not his fault that Europeans are degenerate now.

>>1781601
Why do people here love hating on Luther but not the Popes for letting the Church fall into corruption and killing anyone trying to join the alternatives? ((Well, not all of them, the husseites managed to fight back))

>>1781607
>>1781639
>>1781703
>>1781716
>>1781738

Thanks for the (You)s

>>1781663
What wound?

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>>1781738
Cause people here are estranged losers unable to grasp the complexity of modernity (or even recognize it) they long for simple solutions like authoritarian regimes. The pope is just that in religious matters.

>>1781639
>Without Luther we'd still be living in the middle ages
*the renaissance
FTFY

And the renaissance was better than the reformation anyway.

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>>1781755
>comparing a religious schism to a cultural movement

>>1781755
>we would still be living in an age when claiming the earth revolves around the sun could get you prosecuted

>>1781764

>we would still be living in an age when claiming the pope wasn't an infallible representative of god on earth who i should pay all my money to could get you prosecuted

>>1781601

This wasn't where he fucked up, only breaking away entirely.

>>1781803
Which ge did when it became clear the pope wanted him death

>>1781601
Wouldn't have happened if the clergy wasn't full with assholes and hypocrites.

>>1781597
>times when Germany fucked up in history
Pretty much their entire existence is one giant fuck up. To bad the Romans never bothered exterminating them.

>>1781810
And yet the reason why the Reformation thrived was because it appealed to assholes and hypocrites.

>>1781840
Assholes such as a French CARDINAL who funded both Sweden and the Ottomans in their wars against the HRE

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>>1781835

>>1781854
I remember that guy

>>1781601
did nothing wrong.
gtfo catholicuck. you ain't even christian your pagan

>>1781597
Germany doesn't exist

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>>1781865
He's pretty hilarious, and not atypical of the "latin" americans on /pol/ who shit on the "barbarians" because they need someone to look down on.

>>1781847
I was referring to other people like the German prince who lusted for money and power and used the Reformation to get Church riches, as well as a certain English king who got pissy because the Pope wouldn't consent his petty divorce.

You can still be a Catholic and a douchebag at the same time, just like Richelieu.

>>1781601
Actually I would argue Luther saved europe. #0 years war killed millions of germ*ns and destroyed parts of germany, giving europe more time before the germ*ns form up to form the big bad second reich

>>1781762
I'm comparing an era in European history to another era in European history

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>>1782317
>Germany is an enemy of "Europe"
>said by someone who probably isn't even European

>>1781835

As an admitted Germanophile, it's hard to disagree.

I still don't know how Merkel hasn't been assassinated yet desu

>>1781738

The supposed corruption of the Church was mostly propaganda, it was pretty corrupt at high levels but it wasn't as bad as its made out to be, Luther started off fucking centuries of sectarian conflict that caused untold suffering across Europe and split the Church irrevocably, somehow history views this as better than a unified faith and no terrible wars

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>>1781597

>>1781769

>implying tithes were that oppressive

The church wasn't robbing people blind and most people paid their tithes willingly

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We are probably witnessing their most destructive fuck up.

>>1781738
(((/pol/)))

>>1782445
This is the only legitimate post itt

>>1782429
So it was okay being corrupt as long as you arent that corrupt?
>Luther started off centauries of sectarian warfare. Why didn't he just let himself get killed like all the reformers before him?

>>1782429
>Luther started off fucking centuries of sectarian conflict that caused untold suffering across Europe and split the Church irrevocably, somehow history views this as better than a unified faith and no terrible wars
Well by that logic the Pope shouldn't have excommunicated Cerularius, since that was a far worse and destructive split.

>>1782334
>not European

and I thank God every day for that

>>1782614
So why go on about "Europe"? Do you just have Europe tourettes or something?