His, why do so many around the world hate Israel or think it's

>>1778073
This is /his/, not /pol/
Also it's because Israel is pretty much a fascist state.

is it that much of a fucking mystery that jews are good at getting into positions of wealth and power, and that this bothers other people who have wealth and power and don't want to lose it so they talk shit?

just fucking look around. it's not hard to piece together.

>>1778080
this

>>1778073
please fuck off back to >>>/pol/

Jews and Arabs talk alot about it, they both have alot of money, ergo you hear about it.

>>1778080
A fascist state? What do you mean?

Israel is the least just "civilized, Western" country. The other countries you mentioned aren't civilized, and they don't have Western values, but Israel does; Israel is supposed to be proof that the post-war international system works, so when Israel tries its newest scheme to contain Palestinian violence, or when it tries to deflect accusations of apartheid, or when it secretly performs sterilization procedures on unwanted black Jews, then it's going to get covered by the media.

It's also important to understand that Israel is home base for a vast number of international journalists who can't go to war-torn Middle Eastern countries so easily. So a story breaks in Israel, it's very very easy to cover it compared to if the same story were to break in Syria or Iran or Iraq, where press freedom isn't so strong.

It's literally kike HQ where they plot against mankind and retreat when caught

>>1778102
Is France fascist? It banned the hijab, unlike Israel. France is a lot more anti Muslim, violating what everyone thought was fair religious rights.
Is Russia a fascist state? Is the US where corporations and the rich can essentially decide who runs for presidency? Is China not a pure dictatorship? In what sense is Israel at all significantly "evil"?

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>hating Israel
Why would I hate a nation that has been causing more butthurt than I ever could on this board?

Truly the chosen race of Avraham Avinu and G-d.

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Because that land was originally promised to the Arabs by the British for their efforts against the Ottomans during WWI (see: The Arab Revolt, Lawrence of Arabia) but the British stabbed the Arabs in the back and decided to take the land and split it between themselves and France (Sykes-Picot Agreement) and then later decided to give over Palestine to the Jews (Balfour Declaration).

Naturally the Arabs felt rightfully betrayed and pissed at the Eternal Anglo and his shenanigans.

>>1778103
How is France civilized if it's literally banning Muslim dress and prayer. And what does civilized even mean. So called civilized countries decimated Iraq and consequently Syria causing now the eventual death of millions and yet people from European countries still call themselves civilized cause they allow women to walk topless.

>>1778073

Edgy teens hate hewbrew station because "juice contrlz da world xddd"

Arabs hate Jews because the brits took part of their land away, and gave it to them

>>1778102
forced homogenous jewish state made by expulsion of other ethnic which use to live in the region

their reason for existing is basically WEWUZ

Two reasons.

One, Arab governments basically went with the Hitler gambit after WW2 and blame literally all of their problems on Jews. Seriously, you have like a billion people blaming all of their problems on a group of people that's maybe 15 million globally at the most.

Two, the general assumption goes that since Israel is an industrialized parliamentary democracy, it'll be easier to get them to stop abusing human rights than to get a country like Somalia or North Korea to shape up.

>>1778129

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>His, why do so many around the world hate Israel or think it's one of the most threatening countries to world peace?
Because it's a pretty evil fucking nation. If you understand the real history of Israel rather than the kitschy happy-go-lucky propaganda history you are fed by the mainstream media, in America at least, it's hard not to hate Israel a little.

Your examples aren't at all comparable to what Israel did.
>Russia expanding its influence through actual military invasions
Except this. And people hate Russia for it.

The short of it: everyone hates thieves. Even thieves hate thieves. Dictator or democracy, rich or poor. There is no advantage to normalizing such behavior to anyone, only benefiting from it yourself.

>>1778142
And yet it's a multi cultural country with many different ethnicities and religions receiving the same rights. How can it be both monseniur?

>>1778142
Why is that fascism though? we're pretty liberal even though we didn't mind throwing arabs out.

>>1778142
The Arabs did the same thing to the original natives

Whatever country you live probably is the same as well

technically the Nazis were pretty liberal too they just didn't mind gassing the kikes so it just depends on perspective imo

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Yeah, let's established a Jewish state in the middle of an area where it is predominately populated by Christian and Muslim people. An area that once belonged to the Ottoman Empire.

Oh wait, wasn't the Ottoman Empire dismantled after World War 1? I wonder who was behind it...

>>1778165

>The Arabs did the same thing to the original natives

No, the Arabs conquered them 1300 years ago, built garrison towns for their soldiers to live in, and forced the locals to pay taxes. But they let them continue their lives unhindered.

They didn't expel the entire local population and wipe out entire villages like the Israelis did in '48 to create the modern state of Israel.

I love it when kike lovers try to frame this as a religious conflict

As if Christian & Jewish Arabs don't hate them too

Because they are an evil interfering bastards.that likes to see the world around them burn. If you followed the US election you'll know that Trump and Hillary were picked by Israel.

>>1778143
the arabs have already lived there during the ottoman, mamluk and other previous dynasty era even when though the rulers change, the population are mostly the same

the problem is, it is only during the british era that systematic change and replacement of population take place

A big reason you see Israel singled out is that it has a ton of defenders. Lots of countries commit human rights violations and do sketchy things, but they're usually called out for it, and seen badly. Isreal, on the other hand, is almost always portrayed positively by Western politicians and media, and excuses are constantly made for it because of their status as an ally in that region. When other countries do bad things, people criticize them, but criticism of Israel is always seen as bad in most political contexts.

You notice the criticism more because people on the internet are loud about because of the general lack of such criticism in the wider world.

>>1778073
it's not Israel it's (((the people within Israel))) that are hated

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>>1778172
>>1778123

>>1778188
Jewish Arabs? Mizrahis?

>>1778193
>Americans vote in primaries
>pick retards
>couldn't be that the American people are retards
>it was probably Juden

>>1778139
France is doing what it feels is in line with its liberal values. Considering the various slaughters perpetrated by Muslims in the past few years, it's no surprise that they find certain Muslim values and behaviors incompatible with a liberal society.

By "civilized" I'm referring to the material, cultural, and political values that allow for such Western values as freedom, equality, property rights, and self-autonomy. This is the marker by which Western countries judge others, and other countries are free to be "uncivilized" in the Western view. They're also free to be dominated by Western powers whose value systems are demonstrably more resilient.

>>1778182
Weird how there is still 1 million Israeli Arabs then huh?

>>1778182
>expel the entire local population and wipe out entire villages like the Israelis did in '48 to create the modern state of Israel.
This. Reading about the Independence War is pretty fucking depressing. The country was created through systematic acts of war crime (which the country later tried to cover up and make excuses for), and the earliest leaders were people who had been proud terrorists before independence.

>>1778073
As fedora as this is, what differentiates it from each of your examples is religion. Pure and simple.

>>1778073

1. The US and NATO's overwhelming and biased support of Israel. The US gives Israel around $4 billion in military aid every year and has often gotten involved in or started or escalated conflicts in the Middle East to preserve and safeguard Israeli interests. It's also no secret that AIPAC (the Israeli lobby in Washington) is one of the most powerful political lobbies in America and exerts a disproportionately power in American politics.

2. Israel has committed numerous human rights abuses and blatantly violated international law when dealing with its neighbors. It also has a tendency to avoid peace and go straight into conflict, backed by the West.

3. See >>1778129 . They essentially stole the land by buying favors with the British colonial government (the Rothschilds were major players in British imperial finance) and the British did end up betraying the Arabs, who still feel angry about the whole affair.

>>1778157
its a 'jewish state', they deny people right to return to their homeland so that they have jewish majority
>>1778160
apartheid is the more correct word
>>1778165
most people invaded by arabs become arabised, they change culture, not dissapear, their blood is probably more purely semitic than any of jews from europe are

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>fastest moving thread currently
>all this butthurt
סבבה

>>1778080
>>1778142
>one bad act 70 years ago damns the entire state
>all of europe is filled with fascist states now
also
>forced homogenous
>20% of the country is muslim with a fastly growing muslim population
>next to all arab countries ethnically cleansed their jewish population to literally 0 or near zero

>>1778230
The US also gives tons of money to arab countries.
What wars did the Us start t safeguard Israel exactly? kek.
How does Israel avoid peace if it has brokered peaxe with several neighboring states while returning land it rightfully took over after being attacked by them. Those states still wont normalize relations with it despite israel wanting to.


I just dont get it.

>>1778327

>The US also gives tons of money to arab countries.

Nothing even remotely compared to what's given to Israel.
The only thing even slightly comparable is the military aid to Egypt which is only given as a bribe for the Egyptian government to cooperate and work with Israel.

>What wars did the Us start t safeguard Israel exactly?

-The Iraq War
-The Gulf War
(Saddam and his SCUDs were a threat to Israel)
-The intervention in Syria and the arming of rebel groups to destabilize the Assad regime
-The US interventions in Lebanon
-US sanctions on Iran

>>1778403
-The Iraq War
-The Gulf War
(Saddam and his SCUDs were a threat to Israel)
-The intervention in Syria and the arming of rebel groups to destabilize the Assad regime
-The US interventions in Lebanon
-US sanctions on Iran

>caused by israel's interests

You gotta be kidding me.
\I love i twhen people think the richest country inthe world, of 350 million, is somehow subserviant to israeli interests as oppose to it being exactly the other way around.

>>1778403

>Nothing even remotely compared to what's given to Israel.

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/spends-billion-foreign/

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS22967.pdf (Since the PLA isn't considered a country in most circles, you can find the relevant amounts in page 22 of the PDF)

It's not really that much less, you realize, especially if you count Pakistan and/or Afghanistan, it's actually more. (I realize they're not Arab nations, but they are muslim and rather anti-Israel)


>-The Iraq War
-The Gulf War

Yeah, I mean, it's totally not like Saddam was acting against U.S. interests vis a vis OTHER U.S. allies in the region. The Kurds are all Jews, you know! Kuwait is an Israeli outpost! Saudi Arabia is actually a province of Israel!

>-The intervention in Syria and the arming of rebel groups to destabilize the Assad regime

You mean, the destablization of a regime that had had peace with Israel for the past 35 or so years and seemed continue to do so more or less indefinitely? Israel wants this why exactly?

>-The US interventions in Lebanon

You mean, the one that Lebanon asked for? Not Israel?

>-US sanctions on Iran

Yes, clearly, Israel put them up to taking U.S. diplomatic personnel hostage and taking aid from the Soviets and to install a theocratic government.

Not even the guy you're responding to, watch the poster count go up.

>>1778073

Because Jews basically. Not even meming.

If Israel was founded in exactly the same manner and did everything exactly the same, but it's population was made up mostly of South American Hindus, noone would give two shits.

There's dozens of countries that have just founded themselves on top of someone else's land. There's dozens of countries with far, far worse human rights abuses. But they're not populated by Jews.

In before "Good goy" or "oh vey" or "100 shekels sent to your account" or some other brilliant and cutting edge non-argument.

>>1778472
t. Schlomo Shekelberg

>>1778492

Fuck, forgot about that one.

>>1778472
the difference is unlike other countries like america or australia for example, the ethnic displacement has stop and although the natives have become minority, they still live in their homeland

in israel they drive out local palestinians and forbid them their return to their homeland, and the situation still go on till today, which is different from other country

the most important part is, the situation can still be fixed, simply by allowing palestinian to return to their homeland, of course thats end the idea of 'jewish state'

>>1778472
Israel has the dubious distinction of being the intersection point between rabid right wing conspiracy theorists and rabid leftwing conspiracy theorists so they with wind up getting buffeted by a meme storm that is artificially amplified by their metaphorical location on the cultural landscape.

>>1778570
Fuck that noise it's the exact same argument leftists use to justify illegal immigration from Mexico.

>they're just the indigenous people the evil white man oppressed and drove from their homes you whites are the REAL illegal imigrants!

Fuck that and fuck you.
"Right of return" is retarded.

To those who write this is a /pol/ topic, you are right and yet its an important topic which cannot be discussed on /pol/ properly and has a lot more potential for interesting debate with people who have an actual itnerst in history.

i dont understand why. yeah its fascist, yeah it seized Palestine (even though it was granted to them by a higher power), but, they dont really have much of an impact on the world.

if you honestly believe that the JEW has super strong merchant powers and rules the world from their sliver of the Middle East and has some sort of strange influence you have a delusion.

the same shit that happens to Muslims in Israel happens to aboriginals in Australia and black people in America, yet israels full of jews so theres the problem lol

>>1778605
>jews not migrating illegally during british mandate
>jews not using the same argument for them coming to palestine
>being this hypocrite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

>>1778605
i have never heard a leftist use that argument, but yes if you have been wrongfully evicted from your land then within your lifetime you should be given the right to return home. in that argument it seems like its referring to the mexican-american war where mexicans were driven out by texans, but in this case the history doesnt go back a couple of hundred years, currently people are being evicted and it seems reasonable to believe that to combat this eviction people should be allowed to return to their homes, so its hard to relate current mexican immigration to the modern Israeli palestinian conflict

>>1778472
>having this much of a persecution complex

If Israel was anything other than Jews it NEVER would have been allowed to exist at all. There is no way in hell it could have gotten off the ground without powerful patronship.

When in history, other than the immense favoritism shown the Jews, has an imperial power literally gifted away their lands for free to someone else for nothing? When has that imperial power sacrificed its own sons and killed FOR NOTHING but to give a different people free shit? There would have been no immense western military support for nascent Israel if it wasn't Jews.

Just look at the kurds in counterexample. Or even something like FARC. Not a finger lifted for them. If a bunch of hindus invaded some land to colonize it they would be universally condemned, no one would lift a finger to help, and then they would inevitably be destroyed by the greater powers they were antagonizing.

>>1778657
>i have never heard a leftist use that argument,
You must not know many leftists.

>but yes if you have been wrongfully evicted from your land then within your lifetime you should be given the right to return home.

Except in this situation is the vast majority of the Palestinian "refugees" in question were never actually expelled from "their land" in the first place.

If "right of return" only applied to the ten old geezers that are still alive who were actually expelled no one would care.

>>1778073
Some hate China for child labour and pollution, some hate North Korea for well everything they do and stand for, some hate Russia for not doing like the West, and some hate Israel for shooting missiles on Palestinian rock throwing kids.

I don't see the media covering any of these incidences speficially more than others except for when there are recent events occurring. For instance, Russia takes Crimea and then everyone hates Russia. Israel launches rockets on Palestine and everyone hates Israel. Etc. etc.

>>1778730
>everyone.
You mean a small minority of the world's population.
Europeans hate Israel because of white guilt, lets be honest. They believe the blackies of the world should now get all that the white man stole from them.
Its crazy i know.
On top of that Europeans have economic ties with arab countries and already a sizeable muslim/arab/african population in their countries.
Israel is already a multiculti country with 20% muslims who are allowed to do as they wish and who's weaknesses all of us modenr israelis must pay for (women not allowed to work in many arab muslim families, bad cooperation with israeli authorities, high crime, mass tax evasion and simply ploping illegal long story houses wasting land whever and whnever they want...

When it comes down to it, there is no "moral" thing to do, its all about narratives and you picking who you feel more close to culturally or in some other way, to muslim arab societies and their ideals or to the jewish israeli society.
Anything beyond that is propoganda of different economic interest groups and the absurd cries of what are called "social justice" groups of all kinds.

>>1778766
social justice groups who's mentality was born in the safe and rich houses of middle and upper middle class wealth(who are in world comparisons the 1% richest of the world), living in their conflict free safe neighberhoods with a safe and secure childhood where everything was given to them and all injustice was handeled by the state or their cultured families.

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>>1778717

P.S. not the guy you were talking to but I'm a "leftist" and not I nor aynone I have ever run into in all my years has ever used something like Israel to justify Mexican immigration

>>1778073
Success breeds jealousy!

>>1778780
I didn't say that leftists use Israel to justify Mexican immigration. I said that the exact same "anti-colonialism" meme logic that leftists use to justify the Palestinian "right of return" is the logic they use to justify their support for dissolving the border between the US and Mexico.

>muh indigenous people
>muh evil whitey stole their land
>muh social justice
People who lose wars don't get to demand to be treated as winners, especially when the war was generations ago, and I'm sick and tired of effete leftist "intellectuals" demanding that everyone "check their privilege" and give up the shit their ancestors won out of some idiotic idea that it's somehow "fair".

Because Israel gets a free pass to do whatever the fuck they want. They're allowed to ignore the UN without sanctions. They're allowed to intervene in foreign countries. They're allowed to bomb and assassinate targets in foreign countries. They're asked to genocide the non Jews in their country. They're allowed to illegally annex land not given to them. And everyone has a thousand excuses for all the shitty things they do.

>>1778893
Bush Sr actually wanted to sanction Israel in 1982 for the whole Lebanon thing

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>If you hate Israel it means you're an arab lover

Is this the worst meme of our generation?

>>1778717
>You must not know many leftists
i live in NY, everyone i know except one person is a liberal.
> old geizers evixtion dont happen never expelled, settlers didn du nuffin blahblah
there are plenty of people being evicted from their land currently and plenty of people still being evicted from their land. These happen differently then the evictions of 1948 but they still very much happen, the article below may provide some clarity though i havent personally read it im sure it will answer some questions you and i both have http://www.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/israel-land-grab-one-home-at-a-time

Israel is based as fuck, the Nazis and Euros tried to wipe them out but here they are 70 years later and kicking ass.

But Hezbollah is also pretty based as well, fights Israel and Wahhabis and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>1778073
Israel shouldn't have been made in the first place. Did the Allies just think they could push the Palestinians off their land and plop a bunch of Jews on it? They should have realized the magnitude of violence that this would result in. It's complete autism. There's also the fact that nobody can criticize people without being called an anti-Semite. I've been accused of hating Jews so many times; the funny part is that I come from a Jewish family, so it really wouldn't make much sense if I was anti-Semitic.

>>1778139
Iraq and Syria decimated themselves

>>1778893
>un

Everyone ignores that useless shit organization. Bunch of corrupt politicians that are funded by muslims and cover up sex crimes commited by their soldiers.

>>1778073
Nobody in world like jews.

>>1778403
>still somehow thinking that the USA should ignore it's national interests unlike the rest of the world and treat everyone equally

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>>1778073
For me it was 2 things, one was the Iraq War. I used to be a neo-conservative back before I heard about Ron Paul, and I had bought into the whole "Muslims are THE enemy eventually we'll have a showdown". I was on reddit for some time arguing the merits of the Iraq War, but as time dragged on I became disillusioned, the WMDs turned out to be non-existent, the whole "blood for oil" that the liberals claimed also turned out to be a lie- look up who refines the Iraqi oil. Most if it is done by the government, and only a fraction of the extraction/processing is done by American companies. About this time I was learning what blowback was from Ron Paul (negative reprecussions from the war in the response of the invaded peoples, namely hatred at America). Iraq didn't make sense. It was obvious that Bush lied, or rather Dick Cheney who we all know was pulling Bush's strings. Was it the military industrial complex who lobbied for it?
Eventually someone floated an infograph of the Bush cabinet and key influential people who had been involved in the instigation of the Iraq War, pic related. All jews. It finally all fell into place. The hatred Israel has towards Iran- with all those bases now in Iraq an invasion could be made.
Without the fall of Iraq the war on Israel's enemy- Syria wouldn't have been possible. And then, in relation to the last point, I discovered while digging (thanks Syria General), that the Israelis had found oil in the Golan Heights, disputed territory recognized still as Syrian in the international courts.
cont...

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>>1781757
>it's national interests
Its national interests? Or just Israel's?
Look at the wars in Iraq (a country that was the US's ally against Iran) and the result and tell me that it's in the US's national interest.

>>1782125

Not even him, but the Iraqis severed ties in the late 80s and started lashing out at OTHER U.S. allies in the region, like the Saudis, the Kuwatis, and the Kurdish NSA.

Hell, it was the invasion of Kuwait that was the immediate Cassus Belli for the Gulf war.

>>1782085
Not only had oil been found in the Golan Heights, but a massive find that is thought to help make Israel energy independent. As I looked into the company who would be handling the extraction, Genie Energy, I made a discovery which linked everything together.

>Genie Energy's Strategic advisory board is composed of:Dick Cheney(former vice president of the United States),Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild,Rupert Murdoch (media mogul and chairman ofNews Corp),James Woolsey(former CIA director),Larry Summers(former head of the US Treasury), andBill Richardson, an ex-ambassador to the United Nations and energy secretary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_Energy

http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-grants-golan-heights-oil-license-2013-2

We all know who Dick Cheney is and his involvement. And I'm pretty sure everyone knows of Jacob Rothschild. Rupert Murdoch is a Zionist who owns Fox News, Fox News which supplied the sensationalist yellow journalism for the Iraq War. Larry Summers is a jew, and Richardson is a highly connected politician with a history of corruption and being bought.

Apart from that revelation there has been my increasing awareness of Israeli money in American politics- AIPAC, Zionist billionaires such as Sheldon Adelson who practically determine the party's policy.

The other instance was the Jonathan Pollard spying case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

Pollard was a US intelligence analyst who was caught spying for Israel. Not only did Pollard not get death for treason, but after much lobbying on the behalf of Israel and US politicians he was pardoned. If you visit the wikipedia article scroll to the bottom to where the people who lobbied for his release are listed. 3/4 are powerful jewish-American politicians from either party. This opened my eyes to the true allegiance these people have to my country.

>>1782179
>Kuwaitis
>US ally
They were more pro Russian than anything.

>>1782179
We're not discussing DESERT STORM which emasculated the Iraqi army making it impossible for them to be a regional threat anymore.

If you actually read about the war, iIraq wasn't our enemy by their declaration nor was their grievances against the Kuwaitis and Saudis unfounded. The Iraqis were struggling with debt to the Saudis while Kuwaitis had been exceeding OPEC production limits making Iraqi oil less valuable, which after the Iraq-Iran war was bankrupting the state. The war was just a political stalemate leading to a conflict- there is a reason why we only pushed Iraq back rather than invade.

>>1782085
>I was on reddit for some time

Toppest of keks, please either go back to /r/the_donald or /pol/ please.

>>1782252
I was only there during Ron Paul's last presidential run trying to drum up support. Been here since 2010.

>>1782251

>We're not discussing DESERT STORM which emasculated the Iraqi army making it impossible for them to be a regional threat anymore.

> (a country that was the US's ally against Iran)

Iraq stopped being an ally against Iran by 1989. If you're not discussing Desert Storm, you're talking out of your ass. So which is it?

>If you actually read about the war, iIraq wasn't our enemy by their declaration

Yeah, and Germany said they weren't the UK's enemy in WW2. Funny how that works when you're attacking a smaller ally of a great power.

>nor was their grievances against the Kuwaitis and Saudis unfounded. The Iraqis were struggling with debt to the Saudis while Kuwaitis had been exceeding OPEC production limits making Iraqi oil less valuable, which after the Iraq-Iran war was bankrupting the state. The war was just a political stalemate leading to a conflict- there is a reason why we only pushed Iraq back rather than invade

So..... interest based politics is okay when the Iraqis do it but not when the U.S. does it? Notice how we've strayed quite a bit from Israel?

>>1782688
>Notice how we've strayed quite a bit from Israel?

Yes, because for some reason Desert Storm was brought up and not Enduring Freedom, shifting the discussion.

> interest based politics is okay when the Iraqis do it but not when the U.S. does it?

Because the 2nd Iraq War was Israeli based interests at the cost of American lives and taxes.

The first one was playing world police, the US would not have intervened except Iraq was increasingly on the Saudis and already the Israelis shitlist.

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>>1778440
I love it when everyone agrees money rules in America but buries their heads I the sand when it comes to certain rich and influential groups.

>>1782898

>Yes, because for some reason Desert Storm was brought up and not Enduring Freedom, shifting the discussion.

You were, and I quote, the one who claimed that Iraq was an ally against Iran.

>>1782125

>Look at the wars in Iraq (a country that was the US's ally against Iran)

Note how you said wars, plural, and again, mentioned the alliance against Iran.


That is in no way fucking true by 2003. Or did you miss the total sanctions, the no fly zones, the arming of rebels against Saddam's regime? YOU were talking about Desert storm, you daft retard.

>Because the 2nd Iraq War was Israeli based interests at the cost of American lives and taxes.

And how did Israel come out ahead because of it? The rise of Islamic militancy and the destabilization of the Mid-East is hardly in their interests, now that Saddam had been largely defanged.

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>>1782928
I am only 1 of those posters you are replying to.

>And how did Israel come out ahead because of it?

Already detailed that here >>1782085
, not to fail to mention that the war has depopulated Syria and Lebanon while cutting off supplies from Iran to Hezbollah. If you didn't have that answer yourself already you should probably quit contributing.

>>1782958
Yes, because Israel wants to expand further when they already can't demographically hold the turf they've got.

>JOOOOOOOOOOOZ

Is not a form of Israeli interests. They don't get jack shit for "depopulating Syria and Lebanon" the Golan has been theirs de facto for over 50 years. Hezbollah manages to get shit from Iran anyway, it hasn't tamped down anything with the I.S. Entry into the emerging, hell the shipping was at its peak from 2006-2008, once America was in place.

>>1783016
>because Israel wants to expand further when they already can't demographically hold the turf they've got.
So why are they wanting to increase settlements, then?

>>1783016
>JOOOOOOOOOOOZ

Yah dun lost the argument no need to sperg

>Is not a form of Israeli interests.

Already proven in my next point regarding Pollard
>They don't get jack shit for "depopulating Syria and Lebanon"

Now you're just outright lying, you're Israeli, aren't you? I can't imagine anyone else so vested in Israel's image online.

>hell the shipping was at its peak from 2006-2008, once America was in place.

Prior to the Syrian civil war. Nothing is connecting in your logic and you sidestep key points either purposefully or out of blatant ignorance.

>>1778073
Its a terrorist state.

>>1783085
All states are terrorist states,

>>1783098
Shut up Israel you are a wicked country full of human devils that slowly ruin the entire world. Giving the jewish demons their own country(base) was truely the worst idea.

>>1783117
Only country that truly ruins the world is Saudi Arabia. Israel is last bastion of protection against them.

>>1783121
Jewish demons always try to act as though they are the heroes like a psychopath who thinks they can do no wrong. Saudi Arabia is irrelevant you fool.

Typical kike HURR BUT WAT ABOUT THE MUSLIMS divide and conquer tactic.

>>1778241
>>all of europe is filled with fascist states now

You know you are lying. And this is why everyone hates you.

>>1778327
US gives more money to Israel to grant its military supremacy in the region.

Also AIPAC buys the entire Congress.

>>1783117
>maybe I can meme my way out of this one
>>1783121
They are nominally allied

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>mfw I get caught selling state secrets but get out of jail free because I am "related" to people who influence domestic and foreign policy

>>1783121

>Only country that truly ruins the world is Saudi Arabia. Israel is last bastion of protection against them.

You realize those two countries you mentioned are strategic partners right?

>>1783121
>>1783117
Both are shit

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>>1783121
>Israel is last bastion of protection against them.
Sure thing Shulman.

>>1783420
Hahaha they look the exact same exact the King is darker.

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Reminder that the Saudi King and the House of Saud are Crypto-Jews. An Iraqi Mukhabarat (General Military Intelligence Directorate) Top Secret report, “The Emergence of Wahhabism and its Historical Roots,” dated September 2002 and released on March 13, 2008, by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency in translated English form, points to the Dönmeh roots of the founder of the Saudi Wahhabi sect of Islam, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab.

The Iraqi report also makes some astounding claims about the Saud family. It cites Abdul Wahhab Ibrahim al-Shammari’s book, The Wahhabi Movement: The Truth and Roots, which states that King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud, the first Kingdom of Saudi Arabia monarch, was descended from Mordechai bin Ibrahim bin Moishe, a Jewish merchant also from Basra. In Nejd, Moishe joined the Aniza tribe and changed his name to Markhan bin Ibrahim bin Musa. Eventually, Mordechai married off his son, Jack Dan, who became Al-Qarn, to a woman from the Anzah tribe of the Nejd. From this union, the future Saud family was born.

The Iraqi intelligence document reveals that the researcher Mohammad Sakher was the subject of a Saudi contract murder hit for his examination into the Sauds’ Jewish roots. In Said Nasir’s book, The History of the Saud Family, it is maintained that in 1943, the Saudi ambassador to Egypt, Abdullah bin Ibrahim al Muffadal, paid Muhammad al Tamami to forge a family tree showing that the Sauds and Wahhabs were one family that descended directly from the Prophet Mohammed.

Here is the report:
http://fas.org/irp/eprint/iraqi/wahhabi.pdf

>>1778710
>>1778403
>>1779255
>>1782085
>>1782200
This

>>1783051
>So why are they wanting to increase settlements, then?

And what about all the ones they've dismantled? Furthermore, "Settlements" are in areas they de facto control, if not de jure, and are often the flashpoints of problems. Expanding further doesn't actually help them much.

>>1783059

>Now you're just outright lying, you're Israeli, aren't you? I can't imagine anyone else so vested in Israel's image online.

Nnnope. I'm just not a cartoon figure who thinks that Israelis actually get benefit from a mountain of Arab corpses. Hence depopulation not actually netting them anything. Israel would like more money, more security, pretty much like other countries would. They don't get that by depopulating Syria and Lebanon, especially for the latter, since weakening Lebanon is what allows groups like Hezbollah to come in and give them problems.

>Prior to the Syrian civil war. Nothing is connecting in your logic and you sidestep key points either purposefully or out of blatant ignorance.

Are you born out of incest? Are you completely fucking retarded? First you claim

>Oh no, I meant about the 2nd Iraqi war, not Desert Storm.

You said that, right here, in posts >>1782898
>>1782958


Now it's about the Syrian civil war? When the fuck was that brought up in our little chain of replies? Oh that's right, it wasn't, but you need to have your ZOG fantasies validated.

To be clear to the other people in this thread, no, the 2003 Iraq war was not to spark a civil war in Syria almost a decade later that would actually weaken Israel's position, not strengthen it.

>>1783644
>using legalistic terms to obscure violent forceful expulsion
>I'm just not a cartoon figure who thinks that Israelis actually get benefit from a mountain of Arab corpses.
>false strawmanning this hard
>since weakening Lebanon is what allows groups like Hezbollah to come in and give them problems.
Hezbollah is made up of Lebanese fighting for Lebanon.
> Now it's about the Syrian civil war? When the fuck was that brought up in our little chain of replies?
That was mentioned in my first post, once again you're so mad you can't even remember which posts are which.
>ZOG
Welp I guess you're right now, better cry conspiracy theory.

You're a disgusting pig.

>the 2003 Iraq war was not to spark a civil war in Syria almost a decade later that would actually weaken Israel's position, not strengthen it.
>Removing Iraq, destabilizing Syria, depopulation of Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon, forcing Hezbollah to divert resources to Syria did not help Israel.

Get out.

>>1783683
>Hezbollah is made up of Lebanese fighting for Lebanon.


It is a Shia military group; Shi'ites make up a bit more than a quarter of the Lebanese population. It has assassinated other Lebanese political figures, including a PM, and is something like a state within a state; it hardly represents Lebanon.

>That was mentioned in my first post, once again you're so mad you can't even remember which posts are which.

Dude, my first post in the thread was this one.>>1782179

So far, not a single one of the posts I responded to has even mentioned the Syrian Civil war. The posts that you started replying to me with were all about the Gulf wars. Get your head out of your ass. Your "proof" so far, as referenced in post >>1783059 has to do with the Pollard case, whcih went down in the 80s. Again, NOTHING about the Syrian civil war.


>Removing Iraq, destabilizing Syria, depopulation of Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon, forcing Hezbollah to divert resources to Syria did not help Israel.

No, it didn't, you dumbass. In case you hadn't noticed, Israel hasn't been conventionally threatened by its arab neighbors since the 70s at least. The threat is, and has been for some time now, non-state militant groups a la Hezbollah, Hamas, and others like them.

Guess what those those secular Arab regimes did? They squished all those paramilitary non-state islamist groups. Guess what happened when you started knocking them over? Those insurgents started taking over areas and started causing more problems for, among others, Israel.

So no, removing Iraq and Syria are net minuses for Israel. Replacing Israeli occupation with U.S. occupation? Probably a net loss for Israel albeit not a real one since the Israelis weren't up to further occupation. The only one that is even nominally in Israel's benefit is the distraction of Hezbollah, but even that isn't a long term gain if, as is likely, Hezbollah gains strength both within Lebanon and without.

wow my thread is still alive.

>>1783717
>So no, removing Iraq and Syria are net minuses for Israel

They're only net minuses in hindsight. Creating a Western-friendly Iraq would've greatly hindered the Syrian-Iranian-Hezbollah alliance, and removing Syria would pretty much isolate Iran and Hezbollah, as Syria is the middleman for transferring men and materiel between Iran and Hezbollah.

Instead Iran somehow got control of Iraq and is now spreading its influence into Yemen. Someone fucked up, and fucked up badly. To be honest, I'm not sure why Israel has such a hard on for Hezbollah. They have like 10,000 fighters at most and their only strength is "muh rockets nigga"

>>1783755

>They're only net minuses in hindsight. Creating a Western-friendly Iraq would've greatly hindered the Syrian-Iranian-Hezbollah alliance, and removing Syria would pretty much isolate Iran and Hezbollah, as Syria is the middleman for transferring men and materiel between Iran and Hezbollah.


And for anyone who has a basic grasp of likely outcomes when the Americans start stomping around in the Middle-East. It's not like the U.S. has a particularly good track record with this sort of thing. And it's also not like it's particularly uncharacteristic of them to try; think of all those CIA coups in South America and western Africa; ideological expansion is something that America likes to do.

>Instead Iran somehow got control of Iraq and is now spreading its influence into Yemen. Someone fucked up, and fucked up badly. To be honest, I'm not sure why Israel has such a hard on for Hezbollah. They have like 10,000 fighters at most and their only strength is "muh rockets nigga"

I'm guessing here, but Hamas and Hezbollah were always the big two enemy terror groups, at least starting in the late 90s when I started paying attention to mid-east news in a cursory way.

Hamas is even weaker, and is part of a thorny mess between the PLA that they're at least trying to get a detente with, and the Egyptians who control the other side of their enclave in Gaza. And it's not like they completely leave Hamas alone either; still, for whatever reason, Hamas's visibility has declined enormously, which leaves Hezbollah at the top of the shit list more or less by default.

I considered replying to this thread but nah.

>>1783755

>Iran controls the Houthis meme

Found John Kirby

in over two years of civil war and twelve years of Houthi insurgency there has not been a shred of evidence linking Iran with the movement

stop swallowing saudi propaganda

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>>1783717
>It is a Shia military group; Shi'ites make up a bit more than a quarter of the Lebanese population.
Like the SAA Hezbollah has a sizable Christian force and has fought to defend Christians. Pic related
>hardly represents Lebanon
And yet it exists in Lebanon without issue.
> has to do with the Pollard case, whcih went down in the 80s.
Look again at the list on the wikipedia page of prominent politicians who lobbied for his release, hundreds of them, roughly 3/4 of which are jewish-Americans. If jewish-Americans would support the release of a traitor who worked for Israel then undoubtedly they would place other Israeli interests over American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard
just read the bottom :^)

>In case you hadn't noticed, Israel hasn't been conventionally threatened by its arab neighbors since the 70s at least.

Israel was beaten by Hezbollah when they invaded Lebanon in 2006, and Israel has been clamoring for America to go to war with Iran.
>Guess what those those secular Arab regimes did? They squished all those paramilitary non-state islamist groups.
Shia-Sunni divide and we've been paying of nations like Egypt and Jordan.
>Those insurgents started taking over areas and started causing more problems for, among others, Israel.

Oh yeah, all those times ISIS attacked Israel or Al Nusra called for jihad against Israel or the Kurds attacked Israel.

Just stop while you're ahead.

>>1783717
>So no, removing Iraq and Syria are net minuses for Israel.
Next you will tell me that Assad is forcing Israel to stay in the Golan Heights.

>>1781650
t. Obama

>>1783834

Of course not, but he wasn't actually doing all that much to evict them.

>>1783814


>And yet it exists in Lebanon without issue.

Except for the intermittent clashes with the Lebanese army, and other militias, not to mention the assassination of anti-Hezbollah politicians.

> If jewish-Americans would support the release of a traitor who worked for Israel then undoubtedly they would place other Israeli interests over American.

Cross index the spending of AIPAC to actual U.S. policy shifts towards Israel or Arab enemies. When you find zero correlation, tell me again how they control policy. Otherwise, you just have interest groups acting as interest groups.

>Israel was beaten by Hezbollah when they invaded Lebanon in 2006, and Israel has been clamoring for America to go to war with Iran.

They were coerced out, hardly the same thing as being "beaten", much like insurgencies do.

America hasn't gone to war with Iran, unless I missed that in the headlines today.

>Shia-Sunni divide and we've been paying of nations like Egypt and Jordan.

Which Israel isn't exactly happy about; regardless, you're missing the point: the rise of Islamist groups like this is a direct consequence of destroying secular despotic regimes that kept them in check.

>Oh yeah, all those times ISIS attacked Israel or Al Nusra called for jihad against Israel or the Kurds attacked Israel.

And when was the last time Assad attacked the Israelis? And he was in power a hell of a lot longer than ISIS has been around. And the last few times the Arabs did attack Israel conventionally, they lost, badly.

>>1783964
>he still keeps trying

Dude, arguing with you is a waste of time, and it's pretty obvious to anyone lurking with a minimal understanding of the Syrian and Iraq War that you're wrong.
>And when was the last time Assad attacked the Israelis?
According to the Israelis, last month, but even they off handedly admit it is accidental. Didn't stop them from using it as an excuse to break the cease-fire and bomb the SAA though :^)


http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-strikes-in-syria-after-mortar-shell-hits-golan/

I remember when I blindly supported Israel and thought all other Middle Eastern nations were evil.

Then I stopped watching network news and grew a brain.

>>1779152
Not as bad as "If you hate Israel and what it does you're an anti-semite"

>>1784128
When will you realize that you have absolutely no historical reason to support muslims while jews and israelis are much more culturally like you?

>>1784519
There are plenty of reasons not to support Israel, many are listed itt.
There has been a history of Israeli abuse of the American relationship with spying, theft of nuclear materials, selling of American secrets, even bombing and murder of Americans.

We're told Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations, but I have not found a single but of evidence of spying on America om their part
, or attacks on America or Americans at home or abroad.
Israel isn't even "western", they speak a non-Roman or Germanic language, use a non-Roman or Cyrillic script, live in a different continent than Europeans or European descendants. Turks are more European than they are.

>>1778123
>>1778238
Fuck off.

>>1778214
Current leaders as well.

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>>1778080
>Israel is pretty much a fascist state

>>1778073
pure jealously by arab third worlders

>>1784685
Persian contributions to the world > Jewish

>>1779152
>>1784507
They use the "arab lover" angle on 4chan because noone will take you seriously if you call someone an anti-semite on a board of edgy racists.

>>1785063
Well it's practically the equivalent here. I'm not even German but I can see how our relationship with Israel isn't in our shared interests or benefits anymore. I don't even understand the money we keep sending them for military aid, they don't have any enemies that are a military equivalent.

>>1778080
>everything is a fascist state
t. commie kid

>>1782200
>>Genie Energy's Strategic advisory board is composed of:Dick Cheney(former vice president of the United States),Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild,Rupert Murdoch (media mogul and chairman ofNews Corp),James Woolsey(former CIA director),Larry Summers(former head of the US Treasury), andBill Richardson, an ex-ambassador to the United Nations and energy secretary.

This reads like a real life Legion of Doom for fucks sake

Has anyone found any emails linking their board appointments to payoffs despite it being pretty obvious?

>>1778073
Has anyone noticed that >90% of posters on /his/ are Jews?

>>1785642
You'd be surprised at how many brainwashed Americans buy the whole "greatest ally" meme, but yeah, it seems like there is an abundance of Jews here.

>>1778121
>France is a lot more anti Muslim, violating what everyone thought was fair religious rights.

Difference being France is anti-religion in general, where as Israel is not and clearly favors Judiams while treating others as second class citizens (like the Arab countries currently do ironically enough).

>Is Russia a fascist state?

Yes

>Is the US where corporations and the rich can essentially decide who runs for presidency?

If that were actually true then yes

>Is China not a pure dictatorship?

So your first instinct in trying to defend Israel is to compare them to a communist country which has killed hundreds of millions of its own people? Furthermore, Israel has some of the strongest relations with China in the world. So trying to throw China under the bus is not going to work here.

>>1778073
It's less hating Israel and more hating Zionist war mongers. America is a weapon of political Zionism and has been since the end of WWII. Blame the Jewish neoconservatives who propagated the war on terror.

Read this
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm

Throughout the twentieth century various Zionist think tanks and policy institutes appeared and started to greatly influence American foreign policy. Not only has America been fighting wars for Israel, but they actually ENJOY doing it. The Bible belt is filled with evangelical Christians who believe that Israel must be protected at any cost. Also, not all Jews are pro-war, but ALL Jews are implicitly Zionist.

>>1785677
Don't forget Team Shabbos Goy: John McCain, The Bushes, Clintons, etc.
But yes you are correct, American foreign policy is Zionist to the core. Only a willingly ignorant fool would say otherwise.

>>1783644
>To be clear to the other people in this thread, no, the 2003 Iraq war was not to spark a civil war in Syria almost a decade later that would actually weaken Israel's position, not strengthen it.
You are a complete fucking retard, read
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
> new policy including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting its possession of "weapons of mass destruction".

The Syrian conflict was planned ahead of time by Zionist policy makers. The goal from the beginning has been to expand Israeli borders and they were not expecting Russian involvement. This is not some kooky conspiracy theory, this is objective fact. I am legitimately frightened that most Americans have no problem with any of this. Millions of people are dying because these war mongers.

>>1785677
wtf i hate kikes now

>>1785688
Why am I only learning about this NOW and why does no one I know discuss this?

>>1778073
Because the world won't give the Jews a break. That's literally the entire reason.

>>1778080
>muslims have the right to go to sharia court to solve domestic disputes
>muslims can freely vote in a parliament for parties dedicated to muslim interests led by muslim members of parliament
>arabic is an official language and is present on every road sign
man, what a terrible and oppressive fascist state against muslims.

>>1786445
Same issue with the Native Americans
>what? We gave them a reservation to live on, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
Give them back their nation.

>>1786507
>reservation
They're given the exact same rights as every other citizen, have representation in government, have their language recognized as official, have their own fucking courts, and are allowed to visit certain areas that Israeli Jews are actually forbidden from visiting (the Temple Mount comes to mind, as does certain areas of the West Bank). They have more rights than most religious and ethnic minorities in Europe. In fact, Palestinians in Israel have more rights than most Palestinians in neighboring countries. In Lebanon, they aren't even given citizenship - the sudden influx of Sunni citizens would threaten the fragile balance of their completely retarded quota-based religious government. In Egypt, Palestinian refugees are barred from owning land and working in certain jobs. Like it or not, Palestinians inside the West Bank have a better deal than most Palestinians outside of it.
>give them back their nation
The Palestinian national identity is about as real as the Iraqi or Jordanian national identity - it exists today, but it sure as shit didn't exist in 1917. To this day, the Palestinian and Jordanian national identities are very closely intertwined - About 40% of all "Palestinian refugees" are actually just normal Jordanian citizens who still have the designation because for some fucking reason it can be inherited from father to son even if they manage to fully integrate into their host nation. This is especially egregious because there's barely any ethnic or cultural differences between the two groups in the first place.
You also seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that a plurality of Israeli Jews are themselves the descendants of Jews that were ethnically cleansed from the surrounding Arab nations after 1948. Where exactly are they going to go if the world's only Jewish state is "given back"? The Palestinians will tell them to go back to their "home countries", and their "home countries" will most likely refuse to take them back.

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>>1778142
>it's the nationalism is the same as facism meme

>>1786553
>The Palestinians have it great!
>They're not even a real people
>They're treated worse elsewhere
>we were kicked out of Arab nations!
After the ethnic cleansing your people committed, and that is a bullshit statistic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Jews
Now the Middle Easterners hate you, and and soon Americans and Europeans will too. You can only fuck so many people before karma manifests itself.

>>1786603
Official demographic statistics in Israel only record the origin of a person's father. If you include mixed-race individuals with Mizrahi or Sephardi mothers, the number goes up by around 10%, which is enough to make them the majority.
By the way, it's actually Jews of Middle Eastern origin that vote for politicians that are "tough on Arabs" - Ashkenazi Jews tend to be left-leaning. This isn't surprising, given that most Mizrahi/Sephardic Jews live in Israel because of a mass ethnic cleansing from Morocco to Iraq that occurred after 1948.

>>1786603
The phenomenon you're describing where two populations ethnically cleanse each other simultaneously is called a "population transfer", and it happened between India and Pakistan after the partition and in Europe after the end of the Second World War. Only difference is that nobody calls Poles or Indians fascists, even though the one in Europe was mostly one-way.

>>1786576
Nationalism is at odds with individualism though.

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>>1778073

Israel hate is a proxy for jew hate.

The former is to some extent acceptable while the latter is not

why doesn't israel just wipe out the rebels for good, and start moving into syria and everywhere else?

it seems like israel should be the west's staging ground for wiping out ISIS. we are in literally the perfect position to stage the largest crusade this world has ever seen

>>1786660
That Jewish expulsion happened as a direct result of the Independence war. Middle Eastern nations were pissed that the Jews had killed and kicked out millions of Palestinians (which is the reason why 40% of Jordanians are considered Palestinian, they're living there as refugees), and kicked out Jews in response. Was that a good decision? Fuck no, but it happened because of things Israel did. And you can't gloss over that the way you just tried to. Hell, the Israeli government admitted that's what happened and was okay with it; the official position was that what happened in the region was a population transfer, and they were happy to expel arabs and increase the new state's Jewish population in return.

>>1786742
We need to add America 2020 to that list.

>>1786740
>if it's not individualist it's facism meme

>>1786769
Nobody in Israel wants Lebanon adventure no.2

>>1786439
They dont deserve a break, they are the most cancerous humans in all of history because they actively try to ruin every civilization they infest. One could only wonder what kike cancer was doing to tribes in the middle east back in the neolithic era.

>>1786876
>>>/pol/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/dailystormer/

>>1786890
He could be Middle Eastern :^)

OY VEY! THE GOYIM KNOW!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aPe1iRFPws

wtf I hate arabs now

>>1778241
>one bad act 70 years ago damns the entire state
>implying Israel's history isn't filled with war crimes, human rights violations and violations of international agreements all the way to the present day

>>1787192
>nukes? What nukes? President Kennedy there aren't any nukes, quit asking. Woops, he died, thank you for the quit asking about the nukes and the weapons LBJ.
>OH those nukes, well they may or may not exist so we don't have to sign any NPTs. But Iran can't get nukes! They're the bad guys!

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>jews occupy a country because WE WUZ
>dispossess and murder the inhabitants
>claim they are victims of racism and oppression while bulldozing and bombing their enemies with American machines paid for by American citizens
>accept wanted criminals seeking asylum in exchange for more shekels
>Professor Schlomo Schlumberger Shekelstein writes a 5000 page book trying to explain why antisemitism has been on the rise in the last few decades

>>1778142
that's not fascism

>>1778195
you know, Israel is always complaining that the UN human rights council is obsessed with calling them a boogey man and I used to just write it off as them being unable to admit that maybe some of the things they do are fucked up, yet the human rights council refused to investigate the saudi war in Yemen despite widespread claims of war crimes and targeting of civilians, and has passed over 100 resolutions over the israeli war in gaza declaring israel guilty of war crimes.

>>1778710
>When in history, other than the immense favoritism shown the Jews, has an imperial power literally gifted away their lands for free to someone else for nothing?
Palestine was created to end an ongoing guerrilla insurgency. Dozens of countries in africa were "gifted away for free" by the british for the same reason.