How old is the idea of a nation?

>>1771443
Bout tree fiddy

>Political scientist Azar Gat argues that ancient Egypt was the world's "first national state," emerging "quite early as a unified state, congruent with a distinct people of shared ethnicity

I'd argue that it's been around pretty much since the beginning of civilzation. Think of Aristotle's polis, which is his conception of a city. At the time, all the cities of ancient greece (Sparta, Athens etc) were what we would think of as independent nation-states (cities) with their own forms of government, and as populations grew there became states/provinces/colonies/territories and also nations as we currently see them.

>>1771443
former nations are simply tribes.
cant /sjw/ us, nigger.

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>>1771454
>>1771459
Alright. So what about the fact that the French Revolution invented national citizenship?

>>1771507
In what regard? What changed that hadn't been around before?

>>1771507
Citizenship was a concept as far back as ancient Greece and national citizenship existed in Rome.

>>1771524
Everything changed. Back under Louis XVI your rights were depended on your social caste only. The French revolution invented the idea that being part of a "nation" should give your equal rights.

>The institution and the ideology were first worked out the French Revolution. The formal delimitation of citizenry, the establishment of civil equality, entailing shared rights and shared obligations; the institutionalization of political rights; the legal rationalization and ideological accentuation of the distinction between citizens and foreigners--the Revolution brought these developments together on a national level for the first time

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/soc/faculty/brubaker/Publications/04_The_French_Revolution_and_the_Invention_of_Citizenship.pdf

>>1771536
>and national citizenship existed in Rome.

No it didn't you retard. kys

>>1772576
>no it didnt
Then why did anyone join the roman army? Think before you post.

>>1772592
jump out of the nearest window

>>1771443
It's called tribalism and it's something we inherited from our ape ancestors

>>1772823
This.

Nationalism merely tapped into pre-existing tribal instincts and extrapolated them to a larger political entity. This didn't even happen 'unnaturally', it was a consequence of the world becoming less microcosmic due to the printing press and access to writing standardising languages and people becoming more aware of the political landscape which allowed them to emotionally identify with it.

But in its essence, nationalism already existed, just on a smaller level.

>>1771443
the idea of nation appears in the bible I think
but national state is a different thing

>>1771507
Well I can say for one that the US Constitution includes language about citizenship.

>>1771443
As old as the idea of a tribe

>>1771536
Citizenship as "elite citizen status" isn't the same as citizen "as a member of the nation"
As a concept, I am not sure it even existed until the 1000s, for the simply fact that City States was the dominant form of civilization.

bamp

>>1771443
Nations are just giant tribes.