/og/ - ORTHODOX GENERAL

Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

>>1754870
>should
>discouraged
Not a rule violation. And it's actually more than most OP's have to offer.

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>>1754870
I'll allow it, since most Christian threads here turn into a shitflinging contest by other denominations or atheists just looking to raise opinions no one would listen to IRL.

Besides, Orthodoxies are actually tolerable since they talk about history and the fundamentals that shaped their church.

How do i get involved in the local orthodox churches in my area? Theyre mostly ukrainian and romanian but i have no idea if there will be a language barrier since i only speak english although i have majority ukrainian heritage.

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>>1754936

>>1754945
What country do you live in?

I am a Jordanian American Eastern Orthodox Christian. And I believe in God. God Bless.

>>1755133
Christ is in our midst!

>going from Nataliya to this.
Absolutely disgusting.

>>1755133
Oh, you believe in God? You do well.

Even the devil believes in God!

>>1757388
>b-but muh sola fide

>>1754936
Most of those things Luther is greentexting aren't even part of the Orthodox doctrine and worship.

>>1754852

Why can no Orthodox explain what the gospel is, from the bible?

Why can no Orthodox explain what salvation is, from the bible?

>>1757390
>But my absolute and complete ignorance of the book of James.

>>1757398
>"For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost. Luke 19:10

This is not the Orthodox explanation. The Gospel is salvation, but it is application of the teaching towards the light of the Father. Jesus finds the lost ones and seeks to save them.

>>1757398
The Gospel is the truth about Christ and what he gives to humanity.

Salvation is Theosis.

>>1757470
What the hell are you talking about. All things the Father has, the Son has.

>>1757400
>t. you don't need works!

>>1757495
>What the hell are you talking about. All things the Father has, the Son has

Anon asked why Orthodox apparently can't answer what the Gospels or salvation are. What is important is that Jesus will bring to us to Gospel and our salvation, and what these mean.

>"I do not speak on my own authority. The Father who has sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it" John 12:49

Jesus tells us that everything He is, everything He has, every teaching He teaches, is in fact the Father's, for the Father.

>>1757500
Remember kids, faith and works are like peanut butter cups covered in chocolate

>>1757525
Peanut butter alone is insufficient?

>>1757470
>>1757495

See? No comprehensible explanation of either the gospel or salvation.

It's just Roman Catholic Lite. Join our church instead of theirs, and do what our priests tell you to do, not theirs.

>>1757500
For what? Salvation? Of course not. How much clearer could Paul be?

Ephesians 2
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

not of works,

lest anyone should boast.

>>1757533
No, but the idea that faith in God should line up with our works in God.

You can work towards more faith. You can have faith that your works are success.

>>1757534
>See? No comprehensible explanation of either the gospel or salvation.
This is why God alone will bring you to where you need to go. There is a reason why people are giving you unsatisfactory definitions of the Gospels and salvation. They are not meant to be defined fully by people, but experienced. Take the gospel and apply it.

>It's just Roman Catholic Lite. Join our church instead of theirs, and do what our priests tell you to do, not theirs.

The posts are not to advocate Orthodox church or Catholic church. God is more important that what church you want to associate with.

>>1757557
And therefore with *alone*, without works, is insufficient.


>>1757534
Those are both quite succinct and comprehensible.

>>1757557
Not the gospels.

I asked you what the gospel is, and what salvation is. You have no idea what they are, and assume I'm as ignorant as you are.

>>1757572
>The Gospel is the truth about Christ and what he gives to humanity.

>Salvation is Theosis.

They are in fact neither.

>>1757572
In Eastern Orthodoxy deification (theosis) is a transformative process whose goal is likeness to or union with God. As a process of transformation, theosis is brought about by the effects of katharsis (purification of mind and body) and theoria ('illumination' with the 'vision' of God).

This is why you are lost.

>>1757581
You know what the Gospels are and what salvation is.

>>1757601

You can't tell the difference between the question "What are the Gospels?" and "What is the gospel of Jesus Christ"?

>>1757590
What's lost about that? It's done physically with the Eucharist, and spiritually through constant prayer. Perfect Theosis is achieved with the Second Coming.

>>1757572
>And therefore with *alone*, without works, is insufficient.

You need to know what you are saying here.

You are saying that what Jesus did is not enough.

>>1757609

Yes, you are a pagan, and lost.

If you would like to become a Christian, we can talk about that instead.

>>1757611
I'm saying faith without works is worthless. Can you be party to Christ's gift without deep contrition? Can you have deep contrition if you don't express it in things like fasting and works (and weeping, if you are fortunate enough to receive that gift)?

>>1757613
You are a Muslim, and lost.

If you would like to become a Christian, we can talk about that instead.

>>1757604
It is the same question with a loop hole. It is almost like you want to try and corner someone so you can call them stupid because they don't understand your question.

Though, that is not your intention? Either way, questions you have are best answered by yourself and your direct relationship to God.

Don't rely on people who sit behind their computer all day to answer questions you have to answer for yourself.

>>1757623
Yes, I know that's what you're saying. I also know it's bullshit.

Do you experience deep contrition when people give you Christmas presents too?

John 8:7And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her."

>>1757613
>calling Pagans lost, in 2016, makes Christianity look bad

>>1757626
>calling Muslims lost in 2016, makes Christianity look bad

>>1757626
I'm a born again Christian, because I have been born again.

You have placed your faith in the rites and rituals of your church to save you.

>>1757631
I don't have a question.

I have a test.

You failed.

>>1757642
The truth doesn't care about your feelings.

>>1757638
Not unless the present itself is contrition

>>1757643
I have placed my faith in God. The mysteries of the Church are gifts given by God as medicine.

>>1757654
Show me in the bible where contrition is a part of salvation.

>>1757657
You have placed an entire church between you and God, and as a result, your faith in your church prevents you from knowing the living God.

You think you're eating him.

>>1757651
Of course it does.

>>1757665
2 Corinthians 7:10

As well as the story of the Publican and the Pharisee.

The story of the Publican and the Pharisee.

>>1757672
It doesn't, actually. It's objectively true no matter how you "feel" about it.

>>1757679
It does. What you are doing is "feeling" your opinion being the truth alone, then saying "it is not how you feel about it"

Basically, what you are calling out against is what you are doing, but we all do this sometimes

>>1757669
The Church is literally the Body of God, it says so right in the Bible.

>>1757669
>You think you're eating him.
Well, he said himself, his flesh is *literally* food, and his blood is *literally* drink, and if you do not eat his flesh and drink his blood, you will not inherit eternal life.

>>1757677
The publican was justified under the law for throwing himself at the mercy of the court, not saved. The parable is that the self-righteous hypocrite, while appearing pleasing to God, is the opposite.

>>1757689
The truth would be the truth if neither of us were born.

In these two posts, notice how both are one their one side;

>>1757657
>>1757669

>The mysteries of the Church are gifts given by God as medicine
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>You have placed an entire church between you and God, and as a result, your faith in your church prevents you from knowing the living God.
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There is a mystery of the church which have the Spirit alive within them, yet there is also churches which serve as walls where the individual must cultivate the Spirit within themselves.

>>1757692
It does, yes.

Does it say the Roman Catholic Church? Does it say the Eastern Orthodox Church?

Or could it perhaps mean the collection of all people from all times who are born again, who are the body of Christ, regardless of what religion they subscribe to?

Jesus' church is not the Roman Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox Church; both of those belong to the devil.

>>1757698
>The publican was justified under the law
Being justified under the law beings following the Mosaic Law, there is no evidence the Publican did that, he worked for the pagan occupiers and extorted money from the Jewish people

>>1757701
False.

>dwight.jpg

>>1757693
Spiritual food. Spiritual drink. Which you, as an anti-spiritual person cannot comprehend.

Jesus is very clear on this in verse 63 of John 6, so just keep reading.

It's His Spirit we must have within ourselves, not His physical flesh and His physical blood. That is just your church's pagan blasphemies and abominations.

>>1757705
Anyone without the Holy Spirit within them has no part in the Kingdom of God.

>>1757706
The Orthodox Church is the original one, the specific nomenclature is a later development.

>>1757707
Yes, he was guilty, filthy, and depraved, and instead of offering excuses or pretending he was not, he was honest and begged for mercy instead.

Only God's grace and mercy saves people; that pharisee was a filthy sinner and would not admit it, even though to our eyes he would be an extremely devout and pious religious man.

>>1757715
Nope.

Ephesians 2
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

>>1757717
And the Publican was full of contrition. He didn't just say, "Yeah, so, y'know, I sin and stuff, but I know you'll already forgive me, so thanks for all that."

>>1757710
"Spiritual" does not mean "figurative" in the Bible. Whereas "truly" unequivocally means "literally" as opposed to "figuratively". This is not truly as a translation of "amen" in other context (which can mean "indeed" or used to add emphasis), it's a translation of the word used for "literally" in contrast with "figuratively".

"Spiritually," nowhere, in the Bible, means figuratively.

>>1757723
I'm not saying figurative.

I'm saying real absolute spiritual food and real absolute spiritual drink, which is the indwelling presence of the real absolute Holy Spirit of God.

When Jesus gave his disciples the Holy Spirit to live in them, he breathed into their mouths.

He did not carve off chunks of himself and tap a vein for them to drink.

>>1757727
If you want to be justified under the law, I suggest you plead guilty too.

The penalty is eternal death.

>>1757724
And the Orthodox Church is the one built on that cornerstone. The one Christ sent the Spirit of Truth to guide. The Spirit of Truth didn't just fall asleep for over a thousand years on the job, so you can "discover" him again (but apparently derive many conflicting denominations from him).

>>1757731
He has his flesh is *literally* food, and his blood is *literally* drink. Do you believe that?

>>1757734
If I expected to be justified under the Law, I'd eat Kosher.

>>1757739
It is not. It says it is. It lies.

>>1757748
No denomination that hasn't existed continuously for more than a few hundred years, can claim to be a part of the Church Christ sent the Spirit of Truth to administrate 2000 years ago.

>>1757740
Yes.

Literally.

Spiritual.

Do you understand how spiritual things aren't real to you? Only physical things?

If you'd like, I'll put John 6 into context for you, and maybe it will help you to understand why stopping at "my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed" doesn't mean God wants us to be law breaking cannibals and vampires.

>>1757744
kek

The penalty for not being kosher is to leave town until sundown, then come back.

>>1757750
Correct. No "denomination" has been continuously comprised of 100% of all of the Christians of the world for 2000 years.

sup LARPers

>>1757751
>Do you understand how spiritual things aren't real to you? Only physical things?
If that were the case, I would not be a Christian

Christ says his flesh is *literally* food. As in, not metaphorically food. Do you believe that?

By eating Christ's flesh and blood, we become a part of his Body. That is why the Church is called His Body, because through Communion we become a part. And by becoming a part of his body, our bodies inherit his Resurrection

>>1757755
And according to those like you, there were no Christians for the thousand years before the Reformation, because you say Catholics and Orthodox are not Christians.

>>1757748
I agree with this one, to some degree.

Christ Jesus is not preaching Orthodox church nor is there any sufficient evidence that the Orthodox church is a continuation of the true church established by Jesus Christ Himself.

Church is a good place to start learning, but a lot of the churches exaltations of itself are just that, words, and what the Spirit of Truth teaches is direct revelation, that we don't need the church to be our intermediary between us and the divine, but that everyone has the potential.

>>1757773
Wow.

Okay. You be the law breaking cannibal and vampire, and I'll do what the bible says.

>>1757781
I say the opposite, actually. There have always been Christians from Pentecost 32 AD to the present.

>>1757791
Jesus was preaching the Law.

If you want to be like God by using your knowledge of good and evil, like the devil promised, then continue as you are.

When in your despair you realize that you will never be like God, then you can turn to Him for salvation.

This is not a problem of knowledge; the early Christians knew almost nothing of the New Covenant, but their confession that Jesus is Christ and their knowledge He rose from the dead saved them.

>>1757796
The Bible says that Christ's flesh is literally food, and his blood is literally drink, and if you do not eat it, you shall not inherit eternal life.

>>1757800
Do Orthodox and Catholics count?

>>1757811
>When in your despair you realize that you will never be like God, then you can turn to Him for salvation.
Christ says for us to be perfect, like the Father, and the Psalms say we are to be gods and sons of the Most High (by this is meant Theosis).

>>1754852
I don't even know Orthodoxy existed in the Philippines.

Great yet another bunch of child-molesting whites, this time slavs.

>>1757824
Yes.

It is literally spiritual food. Without it, you will die.

It is literally spiritual drink. Without it, you will die.

And when I say die, I mean spiritual death; the second death; an eternity in a lake of fire.

Literally.

I'm not even going to get into your belief that your "priest" can utter some incantation that transforms ordinary food into human flesh and blood.

It's disgusting.

>>1757842
Why do you think whites are more inclined to molest children?

Orthodox priests are typically married, unless they're monks.

>>1757824
>Do Orthodox and Catholics count?

Not to the Kingdom of God, no. Just a collection of pagans who need to repent and be saved.

>>1757850
So you agree his flesh is literally food, then? As in, you eat it? Because if not, then it's not *literally* food, it's only metaphorically food.

>>1757811
>Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17

>Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"'? John 10:34

>For "Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved." Romans 10:13

>But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. Matthew 13:16

>>1757834

Yes. Under the law, which Jesus taught, you have to be perfect to be saved.

Are you perfect under the law?

>>1757852
Then what Christians are you referring to which existed in the thousand years prior to the Reformation?

>>1757858
I don't even follow the Law, Jesus abolished it.

>>1757855
Yes. His Holy Spirit literally enters your body when you confess aloud that Jesus is Lord, believing in your heart God raised Him from the dead.

Do that, and He will LITERALLY be inside of you.

John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

>>1757851
It's what happens.

Also just look into Catholic clergy
>Flip Priests
Usual sex scandals: keeps mistresses, is gay and is fucking another priest, uses church money to buy prostitutes, uses church money to support a secret family, Borgia style.
>Western priests sex scandals.
Molested children, molested children everywhere.

>>1757856
1. Jesus fulfilled the law both ways; He perfectly obeyed it, and He paid the full penalty for all of the transgressions of mankind. There is no unpunished sin but for the unpardonable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

2. Jesus is mocking the pharisees, and the context is "judges".

3. Yes. You must call on His name to be saved.

4. I have seen nobody in this thread but for me with eyes that see and ears that hear.

>>1757864
Everyone who confessed out loud that Jesus is Lord, and believed in their hearts God raised him from the dead are in heaven right now.

>>1757867
Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law.

So your opinion is contrary to his.

>>1757842
Slavs tend to bring sex workers *into* the Philippines.

>>1757873
>Molested children, molested children everywhere.

This times several millions.

>>1757887
Like taking sand to the beach.

>>1757868
If you are reborn of water and spirit.

But the Spirit is not physical incarnation of the Word. Nor are you harmonious with the Spirit's presence without synergism.

>>1757873
Orthodox don't cover up sex scandals. We also, as I've said, generally have married priests apart from in monasteries.

There has never been an Orthodox bishop like Borgia

>>1757882
Matthew 7:21

Luke 4:41

>>1757885
The way Jesus uses the term "the Law" means the entirety of OT Scripture (hence he quotes Psalms as the Law). By the Law, I mean the codified observances required in Mosaic Law.

>>1757879
1) You said Jesus preaches the Law. The Law of the Pharisees?

2) >"We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
Then Jesus says "you are 'gods'", He is not simply mocking them, it is written in our scripture.

>4. I have seen nobody in this thread but for me with eyes that see and ears that hear.
Do you really believe this?

And seriously, how can you actually believe you are the only person on this thread who "understands"?

>For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness";

>>1757895
You have all of these absolutely odd and incorrect ideas......from your pagan church.

All I want to do is point out to you that your faith is in your pagan church.

>>1757965
>t. Ahmed

>>1757896
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

John 6
Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?” Jesus replied, “This is the work of God: to believe in the One He has sent.”

The people who say "Lord, Lord" did not confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in their hearts God raised him from the dead. The work of the Father is accomplished by believing in the Son.

Luke 4:41
And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ, the Son of God!”

And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.

Jesus did not want such awful beings professing His lordship. He had not died, so if your inference is that these demons did what was necessary for salvation, you are incorrect on at least three levels.

1. No plan of salvation for angels;
2. Jesus had not died, so no belief in the resurrection; and
3. The New Covenant had not been instituted yet; it only came to be when Jesus died and rose from the dead.

>>1757908
Yup. And then he added to that.

Jesus told people who thought they had gamed the system that they were abject failures. So they murdered him.

>>1757931
The law is not the takenot.

I see no understanding of the things of God in any posts but mine in this thread. Maybe I missed one.

>>1757973
>t. Ahmed's faith is in Mohammad, and will end up with the people whose faith was in the Catholic/Orthodox churches. There's not like a special muslim hell.

>>1757992
2 Timothy 2:23
>But reject foolish and ignorant speculation, for you know that it breeds quarreling.

Titus 3:9
>But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, arguments, and quarrels about the Law, because these things are pointless and worthless.

>>1757994
And your faith is in Luther, which is even worse

>>1758010
I engaged in none of that.

>>1758013
You should ask me before you make such absurd assumptions.

Luther, a vitriolic anti-semite and Catholic friar is not in heaven. Not only do I have no faith in him, I haven't bothered to read any of his theses. I only know he was bothered by the river of gold flowing from Germony to the Vatican for indulgences.

>>1754852
Y'all need Jesus!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uwCDu0FvNw

>>1758040
You have faith in him because he's the founder of your religion (Protestantism).

>>1758046
I'm not even a Lutheran, and not even they would say their faith is in Luther.

Weakest papist attack ever?

>>1758053
You're a Protestant. it doesn't matter what sect. Just like you have Sunnis and Shiites, but they're both Muslims.

Pray for me brothers. I will do the same for you.

>>1758058
I'm a born again Christian.

"protestant" is another invention of the whore of Babylon to pretend she's relevant. It's as fake as all of her other inventions.

>>1758063
You're a Protestant and you don't even think being reborn of water and the spirit is necessary. You lead people astray, preaching they need not be contrite for follow the morals prescribed by Christ, that these things are irrelevant.

How come so many decided to convert for it to be called "mass baptism"? Why and how many? What is happening down there?

>>1758066
I said I'm a born again Christian.

Because I am posting, I was born of water. Because I am born again, I was born of Spirit.

I am literally saying I was born of water and spirit, and here you are saying I need to be born of water and spirit.

Your discernment is zero.

>>1758066
>You lead people astray, preaching they need not be contrite for follow the morals prescribed by Christ, that these things are irrelevant.

One can neither be contrite enough to get into heaven or moral enough to deserve it.

Get over yourself.

You are the person Jesus said is practicing lawlessness.

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>>1754948
PROTNIGGERS DESTROYED

SOLA SCRUPTURA BTFO

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>>1757541
PAUL BTFO ORODDIES

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>>1757850
PROTNIGGERS BTFO