How respected is gender studies among the other humanities?

>>1747931
It isn't respected at all

What would you expect?

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>>1747931

>gender studies

I assume you're retarded if you studied this in university. Not joking, I assume you are not intelligent enough to study anything else and so you studied the >feels degree where you didn't have to do anything other than regurgitate dogma. It's a meme. Zero respect.

It would be like having a degree in veganism.

I doubt most truly respect it unless they have also been spooked.

>>1747931

How low is the sky?

How shallow is the ocean?

>>1747931
>humanities
Gender studies is social science, not a humanity

Eating meat/dairy*

There is a mountain of evidence that sexist language is harmful. What more can gender studies provide ?

Idk much about gender studies but if it is focusing on first word woman issues then it doesn't seem too important to me. Obs not denying that sexisim is a real issue tho.

>>1747976
So having a gender studies degree qualifies someone as a scientist?

History degree here. I don't respect gender studies majors. As a discipline it might have some worthwhile practices and content, but the individuals I've met who are interested in gender theory all rub me wrong, and it's largely because of the interest in gender theory, which tends to become a pseudoreligious overriding part of the personality of people who study this sort of thing.

>>1748081
> we can conclude that non vegans kill not only animals, but humans too.
>implying that's a bad thing, considering overpopulation

>>1748111
Trips of truth

>>1747931

It sends shivers down my spine thinking that somewhere people with an actual pHD in "gender studies" exist. We might as well have degrees in alchemy, magic and theology.

>>1748099
You would get the title BSc...
...sadly

>>1748081
>ethics
Boy I am fuckin spooked

>>1748255
You can get a PhD in theology

>>1748482
epic

>>1748081
I like how vegans always slip "vegan" as the de facto and de jure ideology of not consuming meat.

No tard, most are vegetarians and don't follow your cult ideology

>>1748482
>people this dumb exist

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>>1748099

>social science

>an actual science

>asking if gender studies is respected

>>1748255
>alchemy, magic and theology.
We do, they're called science degrees now.

>>1747948
The sky is limitless, the ocean is full

It's not even a pseudoscience, it's literally a course in pure regime propaganda.

>>1748081
>He doesn't hunt and kill his own food

Faggot

>>1747931
this pic makes me want a swedish qt to bed. How does one go about doing this?

>>1748255
Nah, it's worse than that, anon.

At least magic claims to be able to do something. Gender studies, even if you take all of their claims at face value, still doesn't have any real application. It's intentionally useless.

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>>1747931
Most other humanities respect it only because the other humanities are shit too

What is real and what is meme about it, though?

I imagine the relationships between different people based on gender and gender rolls are a very expansive topic. What it means to be a dad, for instance.

>>1749596
same could be said about many other field of studies

>>1749344
why do they call it social science if it isn't science?
oh that's right, it is science, you're just butthurt

>>1749596
>Gender studies, even if you take all of their claims at face value, still doesn't have any real application.
It's being used to destroy the nuclear family and produce a class of workers who are just interchangeable sexless cogs in a grand body corporate. Quite useful, actually.

As an English grad student, I personally hate gender studies for bleeding into and tainting my field.

If I wanted to learn about your shitty tumblr post of a theory, I wouldn't be in this field. I came here for DANK MILTONIC PROSE, but now I have to learn this shit and hide my power level or else.

Fuck gender studies.

>>1749613

please go say this on /sci/

the meme is that the pedagogy we look down on looks down on gender studies

>>1749685
Care to elaborate?

>>1748112
Reminder that overpopulation is a problem only in China.

>>1748081
>Hitler was a vegan
>vegans are annoying faggots
Thus we can conclude you are an annoying faggot who is literally Hitler.

>>1748081
Great bait m8

The best part about this vegan shit is how they always think that they are morally superior or clean...what a meme

>>1749583
Just get a tan, fly to lybia, hop in a boat and wait for half an hour for some European countries coast guard to "rescue" you and your fellow negroes, then just apply for asylum and go to Sweden, the government takes care of the rest.

The worst part is that this is all the truth

>>1749671
it uses the scientific method it counts

I'm a PolSci student. Occasionally, we'll learn about some feminist theory, but even the teachers dont really give a shit about it. I believe our faculty doesn't offer gender studies, but if they did i would not respect it in the slightest.

>>1747931
Gender studies are a meme and irrelevant where I live

we dont have "gender studies"

>>1748088
Its harmful if you are an overly sensitive wank stain.

>>1750501
Why wouldn't they though? It's like, imagine a guy who opposes slavery believing that his dislike of slavery is just his opinion and that all that matters is that his lifestyle choices don't cause more of it, but is otherwise just ok with others keeping slaves. That would be a pretty pussy way to go about it, so why shouldn't vegans be adamant about how fucked up animal cruelty is? Unless you're specifically criticizing those who only are vegans so that they can feel clean of guilt, but otherwise are unconcerned about this shit?

>>1750809
>That would be a pretty pussy way to go about it
Maybe he doesn't feel very strongly about the issue but doesn't like the feelings of sorrow that he encounters upon seeing human beings in chains. No need to take up arms and kill slaveowners. It's easy to call someone a kissy when you're a pussy.

>>1747948
>>1749373
Damn

Wew. Thank God this shit doesn't bleed into Micro.
I could see us getting flak for forceful cultural appropriation when we insert plasmids though.

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>>1749669
>>1749669
kek
>go on semester abroad in france
>have to pick an english course because that's the rule
>pick a literature course recommended for erasmus students
>first class
>teacher starts a PPT
>pic related
And that's why I'm reading poetry by a Jamaican woman.

The main issue with gender studies is that they co-operate with media and academia to denounce certain society elements as problematic, even the smallest most irrelevant seeming ones. Imagine stuff like "is airconditioning in office space sexist?" It seems completely bonkers but it was an actual issue within the gender study community.

I honestly feel they inflate "problematic items" just so that they have jobs in the first place.

>>1748112
The whole problem of overpopulation is that it kills people.

You can't like killing people because it stops people from dying.

So should I get a degree in history or philosophy?

>>1751062
>history or philosophy?
Wouldn't recommend it, but you'd still be miles ahead of a gender studies major

>>1751069
M8 I'm not getting a degree in anything but humanities. I don't want to slave away at some shitty STEM job.

>>1751074
Double majoring isn't that hard. I double majored in history and philosophy and it didn't require me to put in significantly more effort than my peers, since I incorporated /pol/ and /lit/ into my study regimen. If you're capable of serious study, completing a double major is not only simple but obligatory.
t. recent grad

>>1751078
I was planning on doing Mandarin too. The main point's that there's no real reason to choose one over the other, save preference?

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>>1751083
>The main point's that there's no real reason to choose one over the other, save preference?
If I were you I'd minor in that and consume a lot of Chinese culture while studying history and philosophy, which would give you access to the theoretical and historical contexts that would make your Mandarin skills useful among Mandarin-speakers. Language skills can't be attested to by degrees anyway, if you can't read a document or hold a conversation in a language then your degree means nothing.
>The main point's that there's no real reason to choose one over the other, save preference?
Pretty much, I was completely torn between history and philosophy until I decided to go for both.

>>1751089
Your faith in my autodidactic capabilities is mildly unnerving. I don't think I'm going to be able to learn Mandarin by myself. So I'll just jump onto one or the other.

—Also, now that I think about it, we're probably talking about different education systems, because I'm Britbong.

>>1751062
You should get a degree in computer science or software engineering, and do philosophy and history as a hobby.

That is, if you want to eat for the rest of your life.

>>1751101
>I don't think I'm going to be able to learn Mandarin by myself.
Why do you think I suggested that you minor in it?
>—Also, now that I think about it, we're probably talking about different education systems, because I'm Britbong.
Enjoy your free college and healthcare

Literally bottom of the barrel "I am too dumb to take anything else" meme subject.

I say that as a woman.

>>1751110
BOSTON
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>>1751102
I can think of better ways to get myself to commit suicide.
>>1751109
Didn't see the minor thing. I think I'm going to have to do that, assuming I know what your minor is.
>Enjoy your free college
Anon, I will strangle you.

>>1751110
It's boring as fuck, too. Why would you ever pick it? -- Probably because of social pressures.

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>>1751117
>I will strangle you
I thought it was a religion of peace

>>1751121
Thankfully, I am an enlightened atheist.

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>>1751126
Are you a member of the BNP? Or are you a cuck?

>>1751129
>BNP
Now there's a name I haven't heard for a while.

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>>1751130

>>1751133
I dunno, anon. Something about asking someone else to trample all over you, tell you what to do...seems pretty cucked.

Griffin is a pretty cool name though. Not as good as Balls or Darling, but it's up there.

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>>1751145
>Something about asking someone else to trample all over you, tell you what to do...seems pretty cucked.
I don't really know what you're talking about. Do you even know what a cuck is?

>>1751147
Someone who wants to have everything they hold dear be taken advantage of. You know, the kind of person who'd want to be dominated, to let others come in and ruin their stuff—and all because it's ideologically "right".

>>1751117
>I can think of better ways to get myself to commit suicide.

Why would you commit suicide getting educated in a field that would net you a job that is well-paid?

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>>1751050
>The main issue with gender studies is that they co-operate with media and academia to denounce certain society elements as problematic, even the smallest most irrelevant seeming ones.
First world problems, my friend

>Imagine stuff like "is airconditioning in office space sexist?" It seems completely bonkers but it was an actual issue within the gender study community.
I really wish when people say this kind of shit, they're just being hyperbolic but honest to god they are not

http://blueandgreentomorrow.com/features/climate-change-is-sexist-and-its-our-fault/

>I honestly feel they inflate "problematic items" just so that they have jobs in the first place.
Jobs? What jobs could a gender studies Major possibly hope to aspire to? A privilege checker? A patriarchy smasher? A victim complex Specialist? A gender bender?

The only instances I've seen of people with gender studies doing "work" related to their major is mostly freelance stuff (Journalism, Blogging, Vlogging, speaking engagements, anything and everything could concievably be shitposting IRL). Not exactly jobs that bring home the bread

You're thought process is on the right direction. It's not a matter of them Exaggerating, lying or just making up nonsense off the top of their heads and passing it off as an urgent matter so that they may validate themselves having a Job. It's a matter of them Exaggerating, lying or just making up nonsense off the top of their heads and passing it off as an urgent matter so that they may have an excuse to continue to exist. It is that bad; There are no good reasons for the cause to even be alive so they have to fabricate them.

The only thing we are seeing here is lunatics desperately clinging to their batshit insane beliefs. They've not even evolved to a level of greed and scheming, they're just zealots and fanatics and nothing more

>>1751157
Because of the nature of the field and the job that is well paid.

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>>1751154
>Someone who wants to have everything they hold dear be taken advantage of. You know, the kind of person who'd want to be dominated, to let others come in and ruin their stuff—and all because it's ideologically "right".
It's actually somebody who lets other men fuck his wife. It has nothing to do with ideology.
Aside from that, if I have a femdom fetish but also never let my girlfriend anywhere near my financial assets, keeping our deviant behavior confined to the bedroom, is that cuckolding? No, it isn't, and that's why your definition is fucking stupid.

>>1751161
>Jobs? What jobs could a gender studies Major possibly hope to aspire to?
Activism pays rent.

>>1751163
>It's actually somebody who lets other men fuck his wife. It has nothing to do with ideology.
No it isn't.

>>1751074
>I don't want to slave away at some shitty STEM job.
Then get into medicine or finance

if you're not going to do one of those three, don't even bother going to school. Just head straight into the work force and study the humanities on your own time. You'll have the same Job prospects as anybody who was in the humanities with none of the debt.

>>1751162
>Because of the nature of the field and the job that is well paid.

So you'd rather get shit pay, or be unemployed and have several tens of thousands in debt, simply to learn something fun for 4 years?

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>>1751166
>No it isn't.
I'm going by the definition of the word. You're trying to make a point about right-wing politics. I call people cucks every day. Do you actually have much experience using the word?

>>1751177
STEMfags don't actually make 200k off the bat, you know.

>>1751167
>Then get into medicine or finance
Yeah, I'll "just get into medicine", right?

And finance is even worse m8.

I don't know what reality you come from, but here there's about fifty billion jobs that all require a good degree (though they don't care what degree it is).
>>1751177
Yes.

Remember that STEMfags don't make much money, besides. They make moderate stable money. The real money's in law (if you can get into it; you can't), medicine (if you can get into it; you can't) or business (if you get ridiculously lucky; you won't).

>>1751178
No you aren't.

Did you even look this up?

>>1751180
>STEMfags don't actually make 200k off the bat, you know.

I didn't say that either. But what is for certain is that if you take a degree in something that is practically applicable to the capitalist market, you're going to make more money than being a history teacher at a public school.

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>>1751185
cuck·old
ˈkəkəld,-ōld/
nounarchaic
noun: cuckold; plural noun: cuckolds

1.
the husband of an adulteress, often regarded as an object of derision.

verb
verb: cuckold; 3rd person present: cuckolds; past tense: cuckolded; past participle: cuckolded; gerund or present participle: cuckolding

1.
(of a man) make (another man) a cuckold by having a sexual relationship with his wife.

https://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&site=&source=hp&btnG=Search&q=cuckold+definition

Nothing about ideological imperatives here.

>>1751182
>Yeah, I'll "just get into medicine", right?
Who says you have to aspire to be an accomplished brain surgeon? Just doing nurse work alone is about a $75,000 a year job. If you want to move up from there, you can. If you don't want to move up, get comfy where you are
>but here there's about fifty billion jobs that all require a good degree (though they don't care what degree it is).
Really? Where would that be? Do they pay any better or worse than the jobs that don't require a degree

Seriously, tell me because I want to move there

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>>1751161
>Jobs?
Human Resources? Teaching Gender Studies?
>>1751165
Thanks, Soros
>>1751110
>as a woman
Yes, very interesting.

>>1751196
>than being a history teacher at a public school.
Why didn't you say "than someone who has a history degree"? It's not because that would be wrong, is it?
>>1751198
Nor anything about letting other men fuck your wife. In other words, the word''s meaning is now other than that described in the dictionary, and this new meaning is very ideological.

>>1751196
>But what is for certain is that if you take a degree in something that is practically applicable to the capitalist market, you're going to make more money than being a history teacher at a public school.
Is that really certain? If you were good at the humanities, you'd know the answer.

>>1751182
>The real money's in...business (if you get ridiculously lucky; you won't).
You are an ignoramus

>t. self-made entrepreneur

>>1751199
>Just doing nurse work alone is about a $75,000 a year job
Wow, that sure is impressive anon.
>If you want to move up from there, you can
But you can't.
>Really? Where would that be?
UK. I know it's also the case in the US—for example, you cannot become an officer without a degree there.

>>1751207
t. lucky motherfucker

Unless you don't make millions a year, in which case I wasn't talking about you.

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>>1751203
>In other words, the word''s meaning is now other than that described in the dictionary, and this new meaning is very ideological.
And this new meaning derives from cuckold fetishists. The people who use the word ideologically are actively opposed to the things these fetishists enjoy. The people who are most severely dominated by their own ideological authorities are on the Left. Richard Spencer and Milo Yiannopolis are the closest things to being leaders of the contemporary Right, but nobody listens to a word they say.
I'm just not seeing it. I get it, you want to call me a cuck for some reason. It just doesn't work.

>>1751216
You know, I do go on /pol/. I know what people are like.

It's the ideology, in any case. The left is about taking shit for yourself; the right about having other people take shit from you.

>>1751203
>Why didn't you say "than someone who has a history degree"?

Because what can you actually become, job-wise, apart from a teacher, with a Bachelor's degree in History?

Do tell.

>>1751225
Anything requiring a generic degree. Including business and officership and civil service, off the top of my head, and law if you count conversion (though you probably shouldn't).

>>1751208
>Wow, that sure is impressive anon.
It's more than you'll make with a history degree. I garauntee that
>But you can't.
And you would know this how? Have you tried it?
>I know it's also the case in the US—for example, you cannot become an officer without a degree there.
A police officer? Kek. That's a good one. Police departments can ask that their applicants have 4 years college/2 years military/5 years experience all they want. It doesn't mean that's what they are going to get. More often than not, they have to settle for less than their demands

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>>1751222
>The left is about taking shit for yourself; the right about having other people take shit from you.
The Left is about stealing shit from others, the Right is about keeping your shit for yourself.
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>1751227
Fine. But if you deny that getting a STEM degree is better for you where wages and job opportunities are concerned you're an idiot.

>>1751201
>Human Resources?
Anybody could do that. That is the place companies exile their employees who are too stupid to do anything else but not big enough fuck-ups to get fired
>Teaching Gender Studies?
I suppose so but the amount of Gender studies degrees must, by default, grossly overshadow the openings of teachers needed for that course

>>1751238
>It's more than you'll make with a history degree. I garauntee that
Not much more than you could expect; less than you could aim for. Why choose something that you enjoy much less if that's the trade-off?
>And you would know this how? Have you tried it?
This is the dumbest argument I've ever heard.

How would you know what you can get with a history degree? Have you tried it? All right; now have you tried being a nurse and working your way up the ladder?

No, you haven't.
>A police officer?
No, an army officer. And you can make your way to general, there.
>>1751242
The left is about taking your shit back from others who stole it, the right is about sucking the dicks of the people who stole your shit.
>>1751244
On average? No. TE, yes, but not STEM.

That is, if your only concern is money (you love CS and history equally, say) then you should go into TE, because careers requiring generic degrees will obviously accept you.

Unless you want to try your luck with law, of course.

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>>1751259
>The left is about taking your shit back from others who stole it, the right is about sucking the dicks of the people who stole your shit.
Yes, because the labor theory of value is absolute truth. The Left is about the violation of property rights and the initiation of the use of force.

>>1751214
>t. Audacious motherfucker
>t. Tenacious motherfucker


>Unless you don't make millions a year, in which case I wasn't talking about you.

2014 was my best year so far. My company did $1.15 million worth of sales. last year we did a little under $900,000 worth of sales. This year's estimate is to be $1.4 million

And mind you, I've only been in business for four years.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't make some lucky getaways now and then but I also made a shit load of unlucky getaways. Thankfully the bad times are softened thanks to careful money management and risk control. If I was just firing blindly, I would have lost everything in a matter of months. I would have had better odds taking my money to a casino and dumping it all on a baccarat

>>1751270
We're not talking about absolute truth you mongoose, we're talking about what each side believes. I'm not a socialist or an alt-right teen.

>>1751259
So if you're agreeing with me, why are you being a pedantic arguing fuck?

I'm literally just telling you that getting a generic degree in the Humanities isn't a good idea because you asked the thread for advice.

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>>1751273
>I'm not a socialist or an alt-right teen.
You sound a lot like a socialist.
I'm not an alt-right teen, either.

>>1751290
No motherfucker, because I hate STEM. I don't just care about money.

>>1751312
I have transcended ""politics"", in recognition of its ultimate plebbyness. I am beyond spooks. I am the Ego.

>>1751259
>Not much more than you could expect; less than you could aim for. Why choose something that you enjoy much less if that's the trade-off?
Have you never worked a Job before? They are not done for enjoyment, they are done out of necessity. But don't wait until you are already knee deep in your career to find out that it isn't what you thought it would be

>How would you know what you can get with a history degree? Have you tried it? All right; now have you tried being a nurse and working your way up the ladder?
Haven't tried them personally but I have seen the both of them happen to a friend and a relative respectively

>Step sister
>Entered nursing program at age 18
>Graduated at age 23
>Applied to medical school to become a Radiologist
>They turn her down
>no fucks given, figured they wouldn't accept her on her first application anyway.
>Goes about her job for ~6 years, doesn't mind how things turned out for her
>Keeps her applications renewed every semester
>Finally accepted for her Radiologist program
>Due to her medical background and work experience, she'll likely finish school early

>Friend
>Masters in History with a minor in philosophy
>genuinely loves the stuff, could muse about it for hours
>hates the fuck out of his job as an Instructor.
>Students are assholes and unmotivated
>he gets in trouble with his department if too many of them fail or drop his class
>the office politics at his work are a nightmare
>Difficult to find work teaching, there are far more people who can do than job than there are available openings
>Had to travel to the opposite side of the country just to get the part time job he has now
>Needless to say, part time pay renders his income dismal

>No, an army officer. And you can make your way to general
US Military does not give a flying fuck about a college degree. The way to go if you want to become an officer is their own ROTC program and that is a completely different animal from universities and community colleges

>>1751342
>They are not done for enjoyment
You are a sad human being, anon. Sad and unambitious.
>>>anecdotes
>US Military does not give a flying fuck about a college degree
You literally cannot become an officer without one.

>>1751336
>because I hate STEM
Why?

>I don't just care about money.

Pff! Spend a year or two NOT living on your parent's dime and then come back and tell us that

>>1751356
>Why?
Why do people have favourite colours, and colours they hate?
>Pff! Spend a year or two NOT living on your parent's dime and then come back and tell us that
You don't think money is the ends, do you? Well then, it is the means (to happiness); in which case you should accept that spending time horribly (jobs in STEM) to make other time good (leisure) is a stupid idea, compared with spending time well to make other time good, if less good than it would be with more money.

>>1751259
>The left is about taking your shit back from others who stole it
is that why the left wants to import 7 million refugees into Europe?

>>1751361
> Why do people have favourite colours, and colours they hate?
Because of societal oppression.

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>>1751341
I remember when I first read Stirner. Enjoy your Nothing.

>>1751371
It was the right who do that i.e. economic elites for the sake of business and cheap workforce.

>>1751371
If "left" = "left wing" then this whole conversation's going to be a clusterfuck of regional confusion.
>>1751378
But anon, I have transcended Stirner. I know him and his book for what it is; a fixed idea. This was but the second step on my road to becoming a Chinese Nestorian Orthodox Hermit (with Jewish leanings).

>>1751380
The Left is shutting down all opposition to it, which only comes from the Right.
Since you don't know what to major in I assume you're still in high school?

>>1751391
That's not me motherfucker.

Also, no. I fucked up, so I've got a year while I retake.

>>1751409
In fact the fact that I'm not that anon (a FACT, people) is exactly why I am, in fact, de facto factually correct.

These are the facts, people. It is poor form to argue against them.

>>1751349
>You are a sad human being, anon. Sad and unambitious.
You don't understand the difference between a job and a career. gives me serious reason to doubt you know a single thing about life in the workforce from the get go. Careers are your lives passion. it may take many forms and the road to get there may be long and tumultous but it is your drive. Job's are the necessities used to carry you through the banalities of being a biological entity living in an industrial society

>>>anecdotes
Sadly there is not much peer reviewed research conducted on this sort of thing, but if you don't want to take my word for it, go ask the History teachers at your nearby college. Hell, ask ANY of the teachers and see what they have to tell you about it.

>>1751361
>Why do people have favourite colours, and colours they hate?
There could be any number of reasons depending on the person. The only way to know for sure would be to ask the person and ask for details and explanations. In this case, I am asking YOU

>You don't think money is the ends, do you? Well then, it is the means (to happiness); blabbity bloo blah blah
This is exactly how I know you are living at home with your parents. I hear this same spiel exclusively from teenagers and college kids who can afford to live on campus. They are the only ones who are able to have this frame of mind only because they can afford it. Unsurprisingly, NOBODY who has to support them self thinks this way, because they've experienced worrying about their finances first hand and know good and well it's not something they like keeping them up all night long with troublesome thoughts in their mind.

If you're family is rich enough to support you indefinitely or you plan on living some hermetic lifestyle, by all means don't let me rain on your parade. But if you have yet to live by yourself (or even work your first job for that matter) Fuck off, get a job, move out and live by yourself, THEN come back and tell us money doesn't matter

>>1751454
That job/career distinction isn't one we have. Job just means your current occupation; career means the general concept of jobness, as well as the general job-track you're on (ex. "bad for my career" or "I'm moving on to the next stage of my career"). The dictionary suggests this is the common usage.
>go ask the History teachers at your nearby college
They all loved their jobs. But I did only go to very good (state) schools, so they'd all deliberately chosen their career path and were also pretty much in the best place they could be.

In any case, that wasn't the point. I do think submerging yourself in academia would be fun, though.

>There could be any number of reasons depending on the person. The only way to know for sure would be to ask the person and ask for details and explanations. In this case, I am asking YOU
It's completely irrational and down purely to taste. I like analysis and putting stuff together and arguing and, in truth, I also just like the aesthetic of people with big swords cutting other people up. I have researched or had first hand experience in various careers (including nurse-level medicine, by the way), and all the ones I'd like involve this even if they also involve soul-crushing paperwork or other similar stuffs.

I don't like what amounts to engineering with code.

Yes, I realise most jobs will not be super amazing as-they're-depicted-in-media.
>This is exactly how I know you are living at home with your parents.
This is true, and should be taken into account, which is partially why I'm here. However, no one who I know who does support themselves thinks the same way you do. I live in a very middle class area; perhaps that has something to do with it.

Money is only the means of attaining that which matters. It's also a very good means of getting this, which is why it matters, but it is not itself the thing which matters.

Hermeticism is pretty attractive though.

>>1748255

>We might as well have degrees in alchemy, magic and theology.

We do. They're called economics, business and political sciences.

>>1751573
Actually, I think degrees in theology are called degrees in theology.

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>>1747976

>>1747976
Wrong.
Gender studies are largely Anti-Positivist.

Ergo, it's not a science.

>>1751259
>army officer
aka war criminal

>>1752643
It's only a crime if it's against the law.

>>1751573
Economics is a whole lot better than any other social science

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>>1749669
>but now I have to learn this shit and hide my power level or else.
This is the worst.

I think it's extremely important to research gender. We need to learn what the differences are between the genders, how much gender roles can be changed by society, the root of gender identity, and so much more, so we can form better policies for gender equality. But when you base everything on the assumption that all men are the root of all evil, you will never do anything worthwhile. Keep gender studies as an option, but only as a containment field so the awful people taint the proper sciences. Then start a project for sociologists, biologists, neurobiologists and historians to do some actual research on gender, while the people in gender studies masturbate to their patriarchy models.

>>1753647
*so the awful people DON'T taint

>>1753647
This this this. Gender as a social construct is incredibly fascinating to look at and study, and is such a fundamental part of the identity of the individual and how they define themselves. But it in and of itself should be studied not as a means to promote one gender over the other, nor to equate any gender with the 'proper' way for an individual to behave.

Also keep that shit out of English classes we don't need to learn it there.

>>1749613

>why do they call it social science if it isn't science?

The same reason why North Korea is called a democratic republic of the people.

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>>1751024
It'd be hilarious to see them in Organic and Biochem when talking about cis-trans isomers and their reactivates/natural occurance

>>1751161
>Jobs

Professional victim is pretty lucrative anon

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Jesus this board is insufferable

Can't it just be sociology with a esp. in gender studies?

seems like a joke-tier degree and i can't believe even liberals buy it

>>1748787
>>1748482
>>1749173

>Implying people who PhD in theology are dumb

They just do it because their intelectual community demands it, i wouldn't call any pope stupid and they all have majors in theology

>>1751161
all the shit you just mentioned are jobs now

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>>1754304
Isn't it awful?
I hardly even come on here anymore.

>>1747946
highly important post

>>1754331
There's no such thing as a PhD in Theology.

>>1747946
Even a degree in veganism would likely include classes on nutrition to keep you from starving yourself to death. So gender studies is actually even worse.

>>1751167
>muh humanities is a hobby
What if someone actually wants to write, research, teach, edit or tramsñate for a living, you idiot? This is not the 1930s, you can't convince any employer that you're worth a fuck in any particular field without a degree.

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>>1754338
>all the shit you just mentioned are jobs now
I'm scared too, Anon.

>>1754302
>Professional victim is pretty lucrative anon
For a VERY select few who are determined enough, lucky enough, crafty enough, sharkish enough, conniving enough and clever enough to mask their bullshit and cry their way into riches (Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe quinn, Briana Wu, etc.)

But for everybody else...Well, I'd say the percentage of gender studies graduates who find that level of success being a professional victim is Comparable to the percentage of people with Music degrees who find success as professional Musicians.

>>1756734
>What if someone actually wants to write, edit or tramsñate for a living
Teach yourself how to do it, then get into freelancing. Most people who work in those fields (writing especially) have to start out freelancing anyway. You don't get into the upper echelons of the field without having experience, credentials and connections which is shit you're going to accumulate largely on the job.

If you're going to have the same starting point as a college graduate, why not do it without the debt weighing you down?

>Teach,
If you mean formal education, it is POSSIBLE to bypass the years of schooling simply by marching into a university, insisting that you know all this material and can pass any exam they throw at you. If you can pass their exams, you get your degree. Sounds crazy but it can be done if you do all the research and homework on your own time. I had a cousin who received two master's degrees (one in computer science, the other in mathematics) from University of Oregon by doing just that. Now he's teaching at California State

If you're talking about teaching any set of skills (Kickboxing, Pottery, Archery, Metallurgy, Home decor), It's similar to before. Teach yourself how to do it then when you feel either your skills in both the respective field and mentoring are good enough, get to it

>Research
Alot of research (Scientific or otherwise) is done at colleges so I point you in the direction of my whole rant about how it is -possible- (really gotta emphasis that word) to bypass the schooling altogether. If you're looking to do R&D for a private company then the plan is exactly the same just as before; do research at a university for a spell or two, then after you have some experience and credibility to your name, go do it for a private company.

...continue

Is gender studies anti-male or does it acknowledge the fact that men have the short end of the stick when it comes to ensuring they can pass their genes on to the next generation and have historically often died childless serving rich men with multiple wives?

>>1757016
>you can't convince any employer that you're worth a fuck in any particular field without a degree.
Hello, I've worked in Human resources for about 12 years (Five in manufacturing )(where I am now)), four in service and three in security) and would like to dispel this misconception.

Short of jobs that require immediate knowledge in this field (IE Medicine, technology, mechaniching) No employer really cares about a degree. Most people with degrees are way overqualified to begin with. Little if anything they learned in school is relevant to the work they will be doing and we teach them everything they need to know when they start the job (which takes MUCH less time than school). Really, the thing we are looking for is EXPERIENCE. That can only be accumulated on the job and as aforementioned, and getting that first entry job, more often than not, does not require education

Infact, Given the right mixture of information on your application, college might make any of us want to throw it in the trash. The absolute quickest rejects are what we like to call "College Kids". These are the kids who, while they may have graduated, have little or even no experience working a job. They are among the worst employees you can imagine. They're entitled, arrogant, pompous, full of asinine demands, lazy, have difficulty taking orders, and are in general completely clueless as to how a work environment operates. 16+ years of formal education may be a great way to fill your head full of interesting trivia, but goddamn is breaking them of the habbits and mindset they've been institutionalized with for the better part of their life

Continued...

>>1757042
/his/ in general seems to be full of people I would describe as "College Kids". Poor schmucks who are not deep enough or experienced enough in their life to have stumbled across the revelation that college is not the end all be all solution to all of life's problems.

/his/ may be a great places for discussing the Roman Conquest of England, The culture of the Cossacks, Philosopher's of the 1800's or whatever interesting facts you may fancy. But if you want to discuss careers, employment, job prospects and how education relates to any of them, go lurk on /biz/ for a while. Trust me, they have insight on this topic. I'm sure quite a bit of /his/ has either not yet gone to college or is in the dawn of their college years. You only believe that college will solve all of life's problems because your parents and teachers have been saying that to you your whole life. /biz/ is full of people who were given similar advice. The difference being that they HAVE already gone through with that advice and are well into a stage in their lives wherein they've come to grasp with the fact that shit is a lot different than what was been laid out by your mentors of adolescence and teen hood.

They say that the best way to learn is to learn from your mistakes
I disagree. The best way to learn is to learn from OTHER people's mistakes. Now you know of a place where to find that knowledge

>>>/bis

>>1757029
>TL;DR
No, it mostly consists of "Everything that is bad within the world happens because of penis"

>>1757016
and
>>1757042
>>1757043
Now I see where the rift in our positions comes from. See, where I live, getting a degree: 1) doesn't get you into absurd debt (many times it doesn't get you into any debt at all) and 2) it actually earns you the respect of most people, instead of their derision.

I'm sorry you live in a rotten society, anons.

>>1757029
Like you don't know. Gender studies doesn't even state that men get the long end of the stick, but rather that men invented sticks and rammed them up women's asses for millenia.

>>1757043
College educated people are literally the pinnacle of human intelligence. There is no higher institution to graduate from.

>>1747976
10/10 bait.

>>1748471
I just shivered.

>>1757058
>See, where I live, getting a degree: 1) doesn't get you into absurd debt (many times it doesn't get you into any debt at all) and 2) it actually earns you the respect of most people, instead of their derision.
But does it get you a job?

More importantly, can that job be obtained by other (preferably quicker) means?

Even if you don't have to a pay a single dime out of pocket, there is still the opportunity cost to keep in mind; Getting a degree usually takes about 4 years. That's a lot of time and Time is every bit as much a precious commodity as money itself. Four years is time that could have been spent doing other things, IE getting into your field at an entry level and accumulating experience and contacts. Would that be the better way to advance your career

>I'm sorry you live in a rotten society, anons.
Not rotten, Not even difficult to grasp, just poorly understood by most people

>>1757076
I thought social sciences were humanities.

But anyway, wouldn't gender studies be more of a philosophy than a science?

>>1757063
>College educated people are literally the pinnacle of human intelligence.
No they are not. The only thing they are the pinnacle of is formal Education. Education and intelligence, while related, are not one in the same.

>>1749723
Not him but I will elaborate.
Scientists do not consider social sciences true science.
That is because most of the time they cannot be replicated, nor can they be used to predict data.
However, gender studies is way worse. Apart from the other factors, gender studies does not take other conflicting data into consideration. That way, their theory is "true".

>>1750706
No one respects gender studies. UNess you are in.

>>1747931
>gender studies
>humanities
It is respected as long as it follow a scientific methodology

>>1757087
No, it's not. It's closer to a cult. Philosophy tries to find reasoning and logic behind things and comes to conclusions about them. Gender Studies is a self propagating meme virus (If you will) that exists solely to spread itself and it's opinions. There is no logic, reason, empiricism, rational, or inherent truth to anything in it as it will adapt and change the beliefs within it in order to continue propagating.

If you want to get TECHNICAL it's a means to divide and rule the populace by financial and government elites via mass media, but that's neither here nor there.

>>1755417
There are PhD in theology...
Do you realize you're not forced to be a believer to learn theology and that some people are interested in theology for feeding their actual scientific work in sociology / PolSci / anthropo / psycho...?

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Gender study paradigms might make slight sense only if you've studied the whole spectrum of History of Ideas beforehand. The problem is that most gender study students wont do that and they'll just latch on to their own shitty methodology.

Literally the only reason these idiots and sharlatans can even think they understand the Frankfurt School is because they never had training in philosophy, starting with the greeks.

>>1757160
Let me get this straight. To be a geologist I don't have to be a rock? That's ridiculous.

>>1757150
But religion is also philosophy. You can treat in the same, philosophical way. You may start with the axiom that the Bible is true, and then you work from there with philosophical methodology. All philosophy starts with a baseless axiom, the only difference between the different philosophies is what the axiom is. Christianity is philosophy, gender studies is philosophy, and regular philosophy is philosophy. They all work in the same way.

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>>1747931
About this much

>Gender Studies has pretty much completely invaded English in universities
SJWs please my major is irrelevant enough in the job market

>>1757160
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Theology

>>1747931
>How respected is gender studies among the other humanities?
>implying it's respected at all

I just wish they'd stop bleeding into everything else. Leave History alone, we DO NOT need to "re-examine the First World War through the lens of queer trans-biplane a gender Marxist theory"

>thread full of STEM fags trying to convince everyone to never go to college because the only thing that matters in the world is how much money you spent on college
>doesn't know what a scholarship is
>doesn't realize that some people don't need to pay for school
>doesn't realize that not every single person in the country wants to spend the rest of their days doing mindless data input for three years without breaks until Pajeet replaces you because he will do it better and for less money
>m-m-m-merit is all m-m-money!
Fucking pathetic how low this board has sunk since its invention

>>1759192
but scholarships very rarely pay for a full ride famalam

>>1759192
>>1759204

land of the free

>ITT: People who have no idea what gender studies is and base their entire views on what Sargon or whatever shithead says it is.

Seriously
>The history of gender studies looks at the different perspectives of gender. This discipline examines the ways in which historical, cultural, and social events shape the role of gender in different societies. The field of gender studies, while focusing on the differences between men and women, also looks at sexual differences and less binary definitions of gender categorization.

It's a huge part of Sociology and Psychology. Trying to explain society, without explaining one of the major structural social relations is absurd.

>>1759192
>thread full of STEM fags trying to convince everyone to never go to college because the only thing that matters in the world is how much money you spent on college
>STEM fags
>trying to convince everyone to never go to college
My god. You're so asshurt that you weren't even able to think that one through

And who the fuck said STEM was the only one who can't stand Gender Studies? Even other fucking humanities and social science departments hate those embittered bull dykes

>>1759192
t. Gender studies major

>>1751525
>I like analysis and putting stuff together
Literally engineering.

>>1757460
The destruction of English as a field of study has been ongoing since its inception. Everyone just shills whatever supports their ideology, and reads it into culture and literature.

If you want to do actual historical/philosophical work through the lens of literature, tough luck. I'm in one of the top English graduate programs in the country and literally all we talk about in every class is either how 1) Capitalism must be overthrown by the proletariat, 2) All white people are racist and all men are sexist, 3) Women are treated unfairly in all facets of life

The concept of "comedy" is a masculine tool of oppression used by the patriarchy, and when women try to trouble masculine comedy by reifying notions of "female comedy" we see a quick silencing of women and aggressive masculine violence: Ghostbusters 2016, anyone?

>This is what I'm learning in my Greek Comedies class

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>>1748088
>sexist language
>harmful
To whom?
This collective bullshit is getting out of hand

>>1751032
I would write a very scathing email to my professor, write about how fucking retarded the class was on the first essay, then drop the class. Fuck wasting my time and money

>>1749604
>akademix
>men spread their legs to show power and dominate
>what is bone structure
Thats the kind of shit they shit out in Sweden,mits crazy. I think we should have a academic field on blondes and brunettes while we're on it because
>gender/sex
>opinions

>>1750706
Me too
>feminist theory
>obligatory
>gender aspect ON EVERYTHING
>obligatory
Sweden in a nutshell, dis place be doomed

>>1761320
Way to go to school in Commiefornia. English literature is the last bastion of respectable conservatism. People in undergrad are stupid regardless of what you're studying.

>>1761368
>point out bone structure
>"MANSPLAINING!!!!"

>>1761389
I'm in a graduate program in a Big 10 program, though I won't say where just because I don't want to happen into someone from it and fuck my rep.

But there's zero "conservatism" here despite this not being California. I didn't think things were going to be like this. But holy shit, almost everyone in all my classes identify as a Marxist. Last class a guy literally said the emotion of anger was a social construct created by Capitalism.

This is one of the best graduate programs there are. I've been pushing through for a few years because it'll greatly help my chances to get ahead, but holy shit, I can't handle being on the "forefront of intersectional critical dialogue" or whatever they're shilling.

>>1751748
Yes pls