why didn't the asians discover america first?

they did

the chinese discovered everything

>>1734281
No desire to establish trade routes around the world

muh castrated dickboi navigator

>>1734281
But they did. How the fuck do think the Native Americans got there.

Pacific Ocean is like 3 times wider than the Atlantic.

>>1734281
>>1734284

we all descended from africans so africans discovered everything desu

>>1734377
Has a really dandy almost land bridge if you go north though

>>1734380
WE

>>1734382
Why the hell would the chinks want to go to the Siberian tundra?

>>1734281
they did

native americans are asian descent

>>1734386
Why the hell would an Italian madman get a Spanish crew to cross barren ocean?

>>1734382

wow these land bridges sound like a really good way of going around the world. Really makes you think why we stopped building them all of a sudden.

>>1734394
europeans got pushed out of the black sea trade tbqh

Ming emperors lacked ambition of expanding the chinese empire beyond its traditional borders and instead spent lavishly on defending its borders. Zheng He's expeditions in particular were cancelled after the emperor was captured by barbarians and ransomed during a tour of the northern border.

The Manchus really proved that this was not the proper approach I think, their efforts to expand China's borders made it far more secure from raiding than the Ming great wall ever did.

>>1734397
Well there's your god damn answer then isn't it? It's almost like someone actually read my post:>>1734292

Guess we can all fuck off now that the mystery is solved.

>>1734281
Technically, they did.

Even seen Inuits? They have a distinctly East Asian appearance.

Also Kennwick man's corpse, again distinct East Asian appearance.

>>1734415
>Technically
You know exactly what he meant you goddamn smartass

>>1734403
That was only possible because the Manchus literally benefitted from Ming institutions really.

The only reason why the Ming didn't do it earlier was because they didnt have that much guns. Production sped up during the late ming period in the 1580s and by the 1640s there was enough firearms in China to make horseniggers useless. Unfortunately for the Ming they were gone by that point,

>>1734412
you ok lad?

>>1734403
>The Manchus really proved that this was not the proper approach I think, their efforts to expand China's borders made it far more secure from raiding than the Ming great wall ever did.

A few reasons why Ming never extended as far as Qing did.

1. Ming did actually go beyond the wall region when it was strong ala Yongle's reign. However warlordism like Li Chengliang's clique etc. made the central government wary of military expansion. Also building long term military outposts in inhospitable areas was quite costly.

2. Factional infighting happened quite often once the emperor's authority weakened. Conservative Confucians vs opportunistic capitalists in the court.

3. Firearms and cannons were not in mass production until the late-Ming and early-Qing era. The technology and infrastructure was simply not yet advanced enough, and even in Europe it wasn't until the 1600s they had rifling and stream-lined workshops producing firearms.

>>1734403
>Ming emperors lacked ambition of expanding the chinese empire beyond its traditional borders
This is bullshit. Taizu and Chengzu both tried to claim all that Yuan had held and claimed. Ming emperors lacked not ambition but military power. They couldn't even wipe out the Yuan completely, and the continued threat of the Yuan to the north is what got the maritime expeditions cancelled; resources needed to go to defending the north instead of sending ships south.

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>>1734451
Bruh Yongle was stronk as fuck and he almost wiped out the entirety of Mongols.

The only problem is he died too early and the treasury couldn't finance more of his military expeditions.

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Portugal and Spain were smaller than China but part of a much larger sea trade network spanning the Black sea, the Mediterranean, the Atlantic coast, North Sea and the Baltic. They had exposure to innovations like the carvel hull and developed long distance sea travel along the coast of Africa.

I believe China had a good chance of making the crossing, but Mongol related shenanigans and isolation meant their chances were lower than the gatekeepers of the Mediterranean.

>>1734456
The Yongle emperor was pretty based, though a mere 25 years after his death the Zhengtong emperor would be captured by the Mongols.

The king of the gooks decided on a policy of isolationism and refused to fund Chinese explorers and traders.

>>1734281
Asians may have reached America pretty early. Asian metal found in Alaska:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305440316300358

>>1734456
Based

He should have finished off the Mongs

>>1734281
they did...

Native Americans are Mongoloid a.k.a Asian

>>1734281
That's who the native americans are

>>1734281
After the Chinese got over their feudal stage they focused more on their own land; having within their borders all that they needed and wanted.

The Japanese were still conquering their own few islands when they were forced to open their borders by the American Mission.

The Koreans were a fucking joke.

Everyone else was just as backward and irrelevant as they are now.

I suppose you could really say that there weren't the same economic pressures as there were in Europe, mixed with social conditions unfavorable to spending massive amounts of money to go galivanting over the seas on a whim.

>>1734281
They did, we call them native americans
>>1734382
It doesnt exist anymore.

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What if azeins discover yurope first?1?!??'

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>>1736320

>That's who the native americans are

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>>1734281
> Implying the chinese explorers didn't bring civilization to the americas hundreds of years before Columbus.

>>1734281
not enough demand

>>1734281
Well there's a shit ton of theories that say that the Chinese did. But all definitive evidence either way was burned because of the shitty policies of the court in charge at the time.

>>1734281
They did. See: native americans

If you mean why didn't modern east asians reach America first, it's because the Pacific is massive compared to the Atlantic, and the relatively smaller distance between Siberia and Alaska didn't really matter because there were no ports in Siberia.

Also the Chinese pretty much stopped exploring later into their existence. And if they DID explore it was usually west - that's where all the trade was, with Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and even Europeans. To the east there was just a shitton of ocean and some poor barbarians.

>>1737949
>two cultures with similar genetic roots and a similar environment do similar things

really makes you go hmmm

>>1734383
Fuck off, you're not funny.

how can they be asians if they live in america?
btfo

>>1734281
Life in europe was shit.
Life in the new world could be less shit.
Life in china was good.
Life in the new world was less good.

why didn't Africans get to Madagascar first?

>>1734281
The accepted theory is that asians did first colonize the americas, although some artifacts indicate Solutreans may have also been very early.

If they ever did arrive they contributed very little genetically.

And there were millions of people in the americas before there ever was a China.

>>1741478
There wasnt even 700,000 natives in America before the first chinese civilization its like you tards forget humans lived in very small nomadic tribal groups that regularly raped any female they found.

>>1734281
they did, they're called eskimos

>>1738521
t. Jamal

So wait, are the American indians basically the descendants of Asians?

>>1742918
yes

>>1734380
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566

???????

>>1742791
This, and the more adventurous ones kept going south and became Indians.

>>1734380
We're descended from the Africans that evolved, left Africa and had their skin give up the color of shit.
Those that remained are prehistorical apes tier

>>1734281
too busy meme fleeting the horns