What the fuck was their problem?

>>1731785

That their mere existence triggered the autism of Germany,

>>1731785
not finishing soviets in 1920

>>1731785
They didn't snap Russia's neck when they had the chance.

>>1731785
If Poland won the Polish-Soviet war, why did they become a Soviet possession?

>>1731785
>being Polish
Thats a pretty big problem in and of itself

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>>1731808
they didn't push to Moscow when they trashed russian army

>>1731808

They didn't in 1920. In fact, Poland could have toppled the Bolsheviks altogether since the red army practically ceased to exist after the Battle of Nemen in late 1920.

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>>1731814
>>1731823
Think how different the world could have been had the Poles marched on Moscow in 1920 and hung Lenin from Spasskaya Tower

>>1731823

Implying the Soviets wouldn't just muster a new army and give ground like they always do

>>1731848

Russia in 1920 was pretty much incapable of raising another army.

>>1731845

The problem is that in 1920 the Bolsheviks were the only Russian faction that was willing to talk with Poland and to recognize Polish independence. The Whites considered Poland as rebels and other Left factions were too herp derp for any foreign policy.

>>1731871
>The problem is that in 1920 the Bolsheviks were the only Russian faction that was willing to talk with Poland and to recognize Polish independence. The Whites considered Poland as rebels and other Left factions were too herp derp for any foreign policy.
They wouldn't need anyone to recognize their borders if they finished of Reds IMO

>>1731895
The whites would have regained control had the poles helpfully destroyed the soviets for them

>>1731907
and then they would need to battle the Whites

>>1731895

Poland was obviously too weak to occupy Russia permanently. Had they toppled Lenin, they would either have to put someone in charge (and pray he manages to stay in office) or leave things to their own devices Either way, that would be just opening of another stage of Russian Civil War. There's no telling who would emerge on top in Russia after that and what would be his attitude towards Poland.

Poland in 1920 wanted peace, they wanted to settle everything with whoever in Russia is wanting peace. It was no brainier that they went for peace with Bolsheviks.

>>1731922
>Poland in 1920 wanted peace, they wanted to settle everything with whoever in Russia is wanting peace. It was no brainier that they went for peace with Bolsheviks.
They signed the peace treaty from a loser's position when actually winning.

>>1731895
> finish the reds
> white won
> West give whites Poland land

>>1731934
>west gives
They would need to go through Pilsudski first

>>1731934
>>1731937
Also. I'm pretty sure British tried to sell Poland to Reds in 1919 already.

>>1731931
>They signed the peace treaty from a loser's position when actually winning.

Nope. The treaty was very favorable for Poland. Poland simply did not want as much land as the Bolsheviks were willing to give. It's fairy established right now, that Bolsheviks were fully prepared to restore pre-1772 borders of Poland.

Poland did not want so much land mostly due to factional struggle in Poland. Pilsudski's socialists lost power to Dmowski's nationalists. Socialists wanted as much land as possible, because they wanted to create client republics (or autonomous provinces that would serve as buffer zone. Nationalists wanted compact Poland with as little minorities as possible.

>>1731951
>Nationalists wanted compact Poland with as little minorities as possible.
It's stupid considering 70 milion Germans and 120 milions of Russians.

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>ywn live to see a Central Europe dominated by Poland instead of Germany

>>1731937
Dude, the West supported Poland because Poland was closest thing to pre-WW1 Russia. Whites winning would mean that the West loses any need to support Poland. In fact, it would be in their interest to see Poland reabsorbed into Russia, because that would move Russia's borders back to Germany's.

>>1731785
They were an oddity that should never have existed, but France kept saving their ass (with Napoleon, then Clemenceau).
Thank god the third time France tried to save them in 1940, they failed miserably and Pooland was occupied until the collapse of the Soviet Union
Can't wait for their next partition btw

>>1731957
>It's stupid considering 70 milion Germans and 120 milions of Russians.

No one had magical crystal ball back in 1920 to see what will happen in next 20 years

>>1731967
>France kept saving their ass
French whore detected.

Poles contributed more to Napoleonic army than you kek. That's truly fucking patethic.

>>1731963

Poland's current government is so inept in anything but alienating everyone around that you won't ever see Poland dominating anyone.

>>1731963
That's what CK2 is for
Baka

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>>1731981
Poland is rarely relevant even in Paradox history that is biased for Bohemia.

>>1731793
Why the past tense?

>>1731785
Frank "the Robotka" Sobotka

he completely zabotka their repotka, so they had to cementka his bota

>>1732072

Because aside from rednecks and Internet autists, Poland no longer triggers Germany.

>>1731980
They are reaching levels of retardation I thought were impossible. Punished Kaczyński must be stopped.

I chose a bad time to come back to Poland.

>>1732090

They literally bought off the people with their massive deficit spending that fucks us up in the long term. What will happen when they run out of money?

>>1732075
/thredka

>>1732075
>>1732113

This actually sounds like a mockery of Czech rather than Polish.

>>1731975
Wow
I knew that there were more Poles than Brits in the RAF during WW2, but I didnt know that there were also more Poles than French in Napoleon's Grande Armee
Based Polish historians teaching us new things everyday

Next time, can you please tell us about that time when Poles built the pyramids?

>>1732111
The cycle will repeat. One party fucks up and the other one says "we will fix it". In the end nothing gets done.

Thanks for building statues and taking away my student tickets you pig. 500+ is a giant mistake and will fuck poland up.

>>1731798
*not finishing Muscovites in 1610
fixed

>>1732187

To be honest, although atrociously implemented, 500+ is actually the sanest of their ideas. Poland is heading towards demographic catastrophe and there's one government that actually recognized that.

What will fuck up Poland big time is their tinkering with the retirement system (yeah, earlier retirement for everyone!), free medicide program for seniors (golden opportunity for fraud), rolling back the education reform (Communist-style schools for everyone!), ban of trade on Sundays (it's so retarded I can't even find words), piggybacked increase of taxes (higher social security) the list goes on and on. On top of that they push some ideologically driven agenda drawn straight from Middle ages that no one wants.

>>1731980
>>1732090
>>1732111
>>1732187
>>1732237
kys

>>1731785
Half the god damn country wasn't Polish.

>>1732928

That's Soviet lie. Poles were by far the most numerous. Poles were absent only from wastelands like Carpathian mountains and Prypyat marshes, but those were very sparsely populated to begin with.Ukrainians were also majority in Volhynia and there were plans to give them an autonomy there until Ukrainians themselves torpedoed them.

>>1731785
They went democratic

>>1732077

That's only because all the actual Germans are dead.

>>1731968
Except Foch

>>1731793
>That their mere existence triggered the autism of Germany

A country with one of the oldest histories in Europe is a meme to you?I guess the Polish Golden Age which lasted for nearly 130 was also a meme, while Prussia was nothing more but their vassal?

>>1732141
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Legions_(Napoleonic_period)

http://www.napoleonicsociety.com/english/pdf/j2010klupczynski.pdf

Being this illiterate in the age of information should be a punishable offense.

>>1734737

Are you blind?

>>1734750
He's an ultra nationalistic slav so obviously yes

>>1731811
Prussian detected

>>1734737
work on your English, buddy

>>1731975
>Poles contributed more to Napoleonic army than you
Poles, at the height of their contributions to Napoleon, formed solely 10% of the Grande Armée. I can concede that their assistance was very consequential, but aren't you deluding yourself to say that Poland contributed more to France's invasion of Europe than France did?

Why the hate though? Haven't we always been friends, discovering radioactivity together with Pierre and Marie Curie, and watching over the other's back (Clemenceau being a toplad to the polish cause). Why are poles of today so stern in their approach of the french?

>>1731785
vilno is polan

>>1731785
the most cucked country ever

>>1734798
Being historically literate is the same as being ultra nationalistic ?

>>1734750
Are you illiterate by any chance?

>>1736919
My first post ITT, but really stop posting and shitting up various boards I'm sick of seeing you already, fuck off. Or at least take your your name fucking retard.

>>1736926
And your historical "literacy" is basically parroting wikipedia articles.

>>1734750
>>1734798
>>1734809

Buzzwords and cheap shots instead of articulately formed counterarguments, how very typical.

>>1736844
Based on what?

>>1735191
I only hate people that claim French entered the war for us.
It wasn't for us. It was for British interests. We literally took the bullet for the Brits.

WW2 could end for Poland differently.

>>1736926
The difference between you and I is that I'm posting information that are both factual and traceable.

>>1736947
So you are really blind as that guy previously said or inept in English.

>>1731798
It was the soviets who almost finished the poles

>>1736960
because Poles didn't finish them earlier on

>>1736965
The only thing Poles can finish is cleaning my shit out of the toilet.

>>1736968
HAHA FUCKING BEBIN PLUMBA JOKE XDDD

>>1736968
chuckled a little

>>1736982
because you're a fucking retard on the wrong board

>>1736956
"Inept in English" because I've written a bad sentence?In that case, I'd rather be "inept in English" than inept in something that requires actual data processing, which most of you seem to be incapable of.

The lot of you suffer from selective memory or are unwilling to dedicate themselves to studying a subject which they find boring or uninteresting.But for some reason, you don't shy away from participating in topics of which you know absolutely nothing of, like for example, history of Poland.

Also, how exactly am I blind?

>>1736998
t. stanislav wojciechowski

>>1737017
yes and you're on the wrong board

>>1736919
>>1736943

He said MERE not fucking MEME you fucking idiots.

And he 100% correct. The mere (only) existence triggered Germanys autism. They didn't want it to exist. Just the existence of Poland made them angry.

He didn't say fucking meme you idiot. He never said that Polands existence was a meme existence.

And you call me illiterate, faggot?

>>1737056
Me being blind doesn't diminish your illiteracy in terms of history.

>>1731951
>Nationalists just wanted a strong Poland with minorities they could assimillate (Belarussians), expulse (Germans) or opress (Ukrainians)
ftfy

>>1737085
go to bed

>>1737113
Ah, the "big boy" references, what's next?Frog memes?

Danzig corridor.

should have traded it for Königsberg.

>>1737184
>trade a Polish majority region that is of any importance because it separates East Prussia from Mainland Germany
>For a German majority region cut off by Danzig corridor

TRULY, YOU ARE A HEIR TO KULT OTTO VON BISMARCK

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>>1737200
>German majority region

>>1737203
proves my point, CHJENa scum

>>1737279
Do you even know what this map is showing?

wtf is happening in this thread

>>1737123
>>1737085
dude the fug is ur issue lol

>>1737970
Some polack with not great English who is a tad bit upset.

>poles get kicked out of the United Kaliphate
>take their butthurt out on germany now that it has been whipped.

>>1737998
>>1738001

My issue is that this board has been all but polluted by a horde of cretins who're spouting opinions that've been influenced by popular culture, instead of factual historical data.

>>1736929
If that were true, than the information I offer would've been sparser and more ambiguous.

"Thats right children, we used to be greatest country in europe and shit. I ain't bullshittin you kurwa!"

"Well what the fuck happenened, mamunia? Why we be living in poverty and tatuś is out plumbing all day?"

"cuz dem muthafuckin Germans came and opressed us and took away our glorious union. Now get your slavic asses to bed!"

>>1738771
kill yourself

>>1738771
This is exactly what happened, my dumb uneducated friend.

>>1737005
You are a retard with no skills to communicate in English.

The post
>>1731793 which triggered you so much isn't detrimental to Poland, but makes fun of Germany. How do I know it? I wrote it.

>>1739280

Clinging to a minor mistake in order to pass it off as a mayor flaw is usually done by people who have no arguments at their disposal.

>>1738966
WE

>>1739538
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Golden_Age

>>1739538
muh "we" meme XDDDD

Literally board for retards

>>1732111
Their deficit is literally lower than any time in the last eight years.

>>1731980
>>1732090
Actually they now have closer relations with countries that they share interests with (the Visegrad Group), and even more Western countries like Austria are shifting to a position closer to the current Polish one.

t. Hungarian

>>1731785
They trusted the British and French.

>>1734291
>as he hears any incorrect information, the first thing he thinks 'ITS SOVIETS LYING AGAIN'
butthurt belt, pls

any state whose language is 90% consisting of bzszcpsczszcz deserves to be wiped from existence

>>1742868
kek.
there goes hungary then.

>>1738742
You misread something, get over it

>>1737056
Accept your losses, just like in the war

>>1739648
>the Visegrad Group
lrn2geopolitics desu

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:^)

>>1731980
Hey at least you don't have to go to your foreign neighbours to buy your groceries because your government is literally the most retarded and corrupt to have ever existed in all of human history.

t. Lithuanian

>>1744860

Soon you won't be doing your shopping in Poland because these **** are going to close shops on Sundays. I wish I was joking, but literally the explanation is that people should be spending their times with families and in churches rather than visiting the temples of Mamon. This is going to hit me hard because I work all days and Sundays is when I actually have some time to do some shopping.

And if somehow you find your time in other days, then prepare for the inevitable VAT increase because there's no chance all those generous social spending schemes are going to pay for themselves.

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>>1744939
What the fuck Poland.

>>1744993

I tell this to myself everyday. They current govt rode into power on two horses:

1. promising massive amounts of free money in social programs, free medicines, lowering retirement age and somehow also magically decreasing taxes,
2. wooing people with most despicable sentiments: xenophobes (ebil refugees! despite the fact that the refugees avoid Poland like a plague) and hardcore Catholics.

Now it's payoff time. They already massively increased benefits (conveniently forgetting for a time about taxes). They apparently were slow in satisfying the demands of hardcore Catholics, so their supporters made them an unwanted gift in the form of civic bill proposals: draconian ban of abortion (even miscarriages shall be investigated, seriously) and ban of shopping on Sundays. And as of now everything shows that they will give in and pass those fucking bills into law. The population is happy with their free monies, so they don't give a fuck as of now.

>>1744939
Instead of taking care of shifty EU regulations that are being "regulated" through German companies in Poland, they're going to take on weekend profit?

>>1731785
They were Polish

>>1744532
Nice argument dipshit.

>>1731785
Boy, i sure do like poland