if incest was practiced by several monarchs and nobility. how

Everyone knows monarchs are generally morally repugnant failures of human beings.

Don't imitate them.

That one Spanish retarded Habsburg was so bad that it is now a joke tier.

>how did it become taboo all of a sudden?
It was always a little taboo, it was just never avoidable until recently.

>>1731694
>it's a pretty natural thing and there's nothing morally wrong with it.

I'd say it's pretty similar as homosexuality
Not much of an issue on individual scale but it shouldnt be promoted and normalized (which unfortunately is currently happening with homosexuality).

Also, I'm always staggered by how people who act tolerant toward homosex can be aggressive against incest
It's amazing how they fail to realize they only manage to be tolerant toward already accepted deviancies and there's no doubt that had they been born 100 years ago, they'd have been among the mass that hated homosex rather than the few "enlightened" (lmao) minds that started to tolerate it

>>1731729
in what sense is homosexuality detrimental to society ?

if we encourage them to use protection to not spread STDs how is homosexuality immoral/wrong ?

>>1731777
Faggot.

>>1731777
No. 1731729 is going to posit that moral forces like "degeneracy" actually exist.

incest causes inbreeding, we actually evolved not to fuck brothers and/or sisters we were raised with, even if they are not blood relatives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect

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>>1731777
dude, poop comes out of there

>>1731694
>it's a pretty natural thing
Except you get fucked up children from it. Royals did it to keep the money in the family.

>>1731852
You can just give bro a hand or something.

>>1731777
It's detrimental on a big scale, just like incest
Heterosexuality is needed for the creation of new people

Btw if we encourage them to use protection to avoid procreation, incest is literally the same as homosexuality (sterile union)
Yet, it's currently more frowned upon

>>1731840
The Westermack effect is a meme that was never scientifically proved
It entirely relies on cultural factor

There's reason why childhood friends who grew up together end up marriying so often

>>1731872
We don't need more people. We seriously, SERIOUSLY don't need more people.

>>1731777
God has spoken.

>>1731872
If 'sterile union' is the problem, then it's also literally the same if we encourage heteros to use protection.

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incest is fine if you want kids that look like this guy (spanish habsburgs literally inbred themselves to extinction)

>>1731885
We need more Westerners
It's Indians, Chinks and Africans we dont need more of

>>1731909
You have to go through generations and generations of incest to achieve that result though
First generation incest has very low chances of birth defect

>>1731694
It being taboo is your brain trying to stop you from breeding defective humans.

>>1731872
> It's detrimental on a big scale
So is just being childless when in fertile age. Should we made reproduction mandatory?

>>1731918
>We need more Westerners
Do we? Lets not delude ourselves thinking 99% of people are not interchangeable trash.

>>1731924
Nah, it's purely cultural
There's a reason why this happen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_sexual_attraction

>>1731924
>>1731909
>>1731840
>muh mutant babies meme.

this is made out much much worse than it actually is. in reality the differences in defectiveness between a child born from incest and a child not born from incest is 2% to 0.1% and usually those defections are minor.

>>1731950
That's the first generation. Check for second generation incest defective rates. It's horrifying.

>>1731872
> It's detrimental on a big scale
It's effect is nothing on a big scale. Homosexuals are already pretty rare, so it is pretty small, if not even outright neglectable. You can't force them to reproduce by hating homosexuality, anyway.

If someone from /sci/ is present.

How dangerous would be the relationship with a cousin.

And, a half-niece.

And for /his/, would it be socially acceptable? (In America)

>>1731729

I am homosex. Checkmate atheists.

>>1732760
Dangerous in what regard?
Genetically? First generation incest is almost always harmless even between siblings, let alone cousins.
As for the societal consideration, cousin incest is accepted in many civilizations

>>1731777
Because family units.
It can be extremely troubling for a child to grow up without a mother or father figure.

>>1731694
The infamous Hapsburg jaw.
But seriously, people figured out it fuck over your genetics, or rather, it fucked over the stability of the ki- OH FOR FUCKS SAKE! This fucking thread degenerates into fucking
>B-b-but homosexuality is imoraaaaal
>>1731872
You are a fucking literal retard. It is a natural act you fucking faggot. It is the most natural form of fucking population control. Do you literally want 10 billion people squeezed together on this fucking planet? No you fucking /pol/fags don't fucking think. GET. OFF. OUR. BOARD.

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>>1731777
Trips of truth.

Who /almostfuckedtheirhotcousin/ here

>>1732941
There is no evidence whatsoever to conclude homosexuality is anything but a mental disorder. You are just a deranged faggot whose father used to suck his cock.

>>1732941
>It is the most natural form of fucking population control

Muder is
Animals may sometimes commit homosex, but they commit murder thousands times more

>>1732941
>Do you literally want 10 billion people squeezed together on this fucking planet?
>He says as he supports providing the hordes of the third world with free food and medical care, while demanding that third world "refugees" can be granted asylum so they don't die in the pointless wars their cultures start among each other.

Get the fuck off MY board faggot.

>>1733018
He never said anything even resembling the second meme arrow

>homosex

Are we all pumped for the Forever War movie?

>>1731938
this

>>1732941
Population control? Someone failed biology class.

>>1731694
>there's nothing morally wrong with it.
except for the part were it involves one forcing themselves on a family member 90% of the time, and 99% of the time between family members with a large age gap, where one is usually significantly underage.

>b-but what about the other 1%? they're not doing anything wrong!
they're engaging in an activity that has negative outcomes the vast, vast majority of the time, and by doing so promoting it at the same time.

i'm sure there's been at least one young child who was molested and grew up being fine with it, by that metric would you say the molester did nothing wrong and should be tolerated?

>>1732941
>if that 1% of the population weren't faggots than we'd have twice as many people on earth!

>>1733155
>i'm sure there's been at least one young child who was molested and grew up being fine with it, by that metric would you say the molester did nothing wrong and should be tolerated?

80% of molestation of male kids are done by men
Ban homosex now!!!!

>>1731950
Only in the initial generation. Long-term incest becomes dramatically more risky, as the number of unique genes in the genepool will decrease over time.

>>1731938
Your post just enlightened me. No longer will I worry about multiculti bullshit. This is so very true.

>>1732958
Except animals do it too, and it doesn't necessarily cause distress or difficulty functioning, so therefore objectively isn't a mental illness.

The stress that seems to be caused by it sometimes is inevitably caused by outside factors, not the homosexuality.

>>1733445
Animals do homosex, incest, pedophilia, wanton murder (anyone who ever had a cat knows)...etc
Hardly a good exemple

>>1733670
Yes, and most of things directly cause harm or violate someones rights. Homosexuality and incest are the only ones that don't, and they aren't illegal.

Also, good job ignoring the majority of my post.

>>1731694

>if incest was practiced by several monarchs and nobility. how did it become taboo all of a sudden?

Because it results in birth defects if it carries on for too long.

>>1731899
>>1732953
we're not on 9gag, no need to circlejerk, fucking degenerates

>>1733018
there is a clear difference between letting million people die and some dudes not procreating.

>>1733020
He didn't have too because only self-hating leftists support homosexuality based on the idea of "population control".

>>1733735
>there is a clear difference between letting million people die and some dudes not procreating.

Yeah, one of them is a solution to the "overpopulation" problem, the other is just fag enablement.

>There are too many people in this world!
>DON'T YOU DARE LET ANY OF THEM DIE!

>>1733780
Nobody said there was to many people in this world, but we're going to be overpopulated one day, and being homosexual slows down that process. And being against homosexuality, even tho thats like being against gravity doesnt make it less of a "solution" to overpopulation

>>1732886
> It can be extremely troubling for a child to grow up without a mother or father figure.
Single families are much more common than the homosexual ones, but people really see that is a problem for some fucking meme reasons.

>>1733780
If you believe that people dying is the solution to overpopulation, why do you choose to continue your life? If you were sick, you'd expect government (as in hospitals) to help you, wouldn't you? Or if you were being threatened the police should help? If your home was unsafe, you'd want to leave, right? Why are you more important than any of those immigrants? And if you honestly believe stopping overpopulation is so important we should cause death to do so, why haven't you killed yourself?

Why is "fag enablement" a bad thing, too? Should we restrict you from doing as you like even though it hurts no-one?

>>1733810
>and being homosexual slows down that process.
You know what slows it down even more?
Not artificially reducing the death-rate of people with an insanely high-birth rate .

>>1733810
> "solution" to overpopulation
It's hardly even a "solution". Effects on population are pretty small because numbers of homosexual persons aren't really that high. If anything the real solutions try to target behavior of the heterosexual people i.e. the ones who really matters here and it is clears that you can't make heterosexual person into a homosexual one.

>>1731694
Most commoners don't have the god tier genes necessary to benefit from the purest love that is incest

>>1733830
You know what slows it down even more? Kill everyone who I don't like.

You have to balance between harm done, and the goal anon. Homosexuality means people aren't reproducing as much (as well as the great thing that is adoption, which helps kids who genuinely need it get opportunities for a good life), and hurts no-one.

Refusing to go along with international law is damaging to the entire international community, as the preservation of it is vital to people having decent living conditions in lots of countries, and always tends to be people who live cushy lives in safe areas saying it. If you were living in an active war zone where civilians were a target, I guarantee you'd feel very differently.

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>>1733851
Utter horseshit.
>millions of new mouths are born every day that you then feed and allow to create millions more mouths to feed
>a handful of homosexuals don't have kids
>GUIZE I'M TOTALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE

Sometimes people need to get hurt for things to get better anon. When you get older you'll realize this.

>>1733829
What the hell are you even talking about faggot?
I'm not the one who advocated fag sex as a solution to over-population. I'm the on pointing out that you clearly don't care about over-population if you're suggesting man on man action in populations with a naturally low birth-rate as a solution to rampant population growth in populations with a naturally high birth-rate.

>Why are you more important than any of those immigrants?
because I'm me and I put myself ahead of others you suicidally altruistic moron.

>>1733872

>Sometimes people need to get hurt for things to get better
yeah committing a genocide is totally a reasonable solution for a problem that isnt even real in the first place

>>1733890
Not giving free food to people in an entirely different country is not genocide.
>decide against giving a quarter to the panhandling crackhead
>OMG STOP COMMITTING GENOCIDE YOU WORSE THAN HITLER YOU

>totally a reasonable solution for a problem that isnt even real in the first place
but homosexuality is amirite?
It exists in a vague Schrodinger's state where it provides a solution to a problem that apparently doesn't exist yet somehow the non-existence of that problem never actually nullifies the solution it offers.

>>1732886
There is an overwhelming amount of sociological research that clearly indicates that this isn't the case.

>>1733911
>sociology
You mean the same field that believes in micro-aggressions and privilege theory?
Yeah I'll bet there's an "overwhelming amount of research" that coincidentally supports the conclusions they started the research with.

>>1733909
Over population isnt a thing right now, but it will be one day, homosexuality slows down the process of this happening. the world aint suffocating ya god damn moron.

With obesity problems in america, I think we can help some poor people over the world since we don't need it. But that would be socialism, and that is bad >:( our president, back when america was great told us so.

>>1733916
Tumblr aint a bunch of sociologists
Bunch of kids grow up without parents and they still can have a normal life

>>1731694
Royals did for the sake of politics and maintaining the purity of their "blue blood".

It was otherwise at least somewhat taboo in most cultures.

>>1733872
So if you think people need to get hurt, why haven't you killed yourself? Why is your life more important than theirs?

>>1733884
It's a reaction to overpopulation.

>because I'm me and I put myself ahead of others you suicidally altruistic moron.

So then fuck off and stop making broad statements lacking completely in morals you fucking hypocrite. You have no conviction in what you're saying at all. I at least respect the groups who advocate suicide as a solution to the issue, as many of them do kill themselves, the only ones who don't are those who keep the message going.

You're just saying retarded /pol/ shit that you'd take back instantly if it applied to you.

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>hurr degeneracy

>>1733980
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>>1731694
>how did it become taboo all of a sudden?

It was always taboo. Humans and high animals have an instinctual aversion to incest, you need a particularly strong cultural / religious force to overcome this.

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>>1731923
>>1732946
Does pic related please or upset you?

>>1731694
Catholic church was heavily against the incest, I don't remember the reason though.

>>1732946
>>1734512
family trees this big please my autism

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>>1731777

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>>1735310
wrong upload
>>1731777

>>1732760
Well, my great-great grandparents were cousins, so it was at least cool back in the 1890s.

>>1733209
>tfw you'll never be the 20% who get molested by hot older women
Why live?

>>1731777
Homosexual culture is pretty degenerate. I mean that seriously, gays take pride in their outsider status and so their culture reflects that being as shocking and edgy as possible to make people uncomfortable. There's also the attitudes that developed because of it (bug chasing, the rampant pedophilia, etc.).

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>>1735330
They do it all the time in the Islamic world, and they don't seem to have any problems because of it.

>>1731950
Anon fucking your mom,grandma or sister will produce screwed up spawn its becomes lesser the less DNA you have in common so you can fuck your second half cousin or someone who comes the same great grandparent as you. However inbreeding is not good for humans maybe for animals because their DNA is just different from ours but not humans.

>>1731694
How common is to feel some degree of sexual attraction to your close relatives? I once got a raging boner from looking at my mom's old photos.

>>1735373
its best to avoid this question altogether

>>1735346
>less than one percent
>germany
i dont belive it...and im german

>>1731694
It's called learning. Same way the earth was once flat, same way we learned not to touch fire. X happens, people examine X, Wow. Holy fuck that's dumb, Let's not do X anymore.

It's literally the most basic functions of logic in humans. To Learn, and adjust to that experience. Just because some howty-touty monarchs or tards of nobility did it, doesn't mean it was divine, or of greatness. It just shows people put worth and faith into fallible things. Such is also human nature.

>>1731777
>biological imperative
>spread good genes, make species trong
>naw fuck it, I'ma fuck dude for a release of chemicals to gratify myself.
They're literally worthless faggots.

>>1733955
Tumblr is a product of the social engineering program masquerading as humanities courses that currently exists in our colleges.
They didn't pull these ideas out of thin air, they learned them from their professors.

>>1735439

The biological imperative is to actually do things that feel good. Gays just aren't aroused by the idea of sex with women.

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>>1733949
>homosexuality slows down the process of this happening
Except it's obvious to anyone with even half a brain that it doesn't.
A). there aren't enough homosexuals to effect the birthrate
B). if homosexuals slow down the process why has the population of the developing world spiked in spite of their existence?

>>1733971
>So then fuck off and stop making broad statements lacking completely in morals you fucking hypocrite
lol
You have no idea what hypocrisy means do you? You just have some meme definition in your head.
Protip: Believing that people who aren't you should die for your benefit, isn't hypocrisy.

>>1735373
Marty McFly pls go

>>1735462
The biological imperative is to propagate our species. pleasing neuro transmitters/receptors just feels good.

>>1735492
>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy
> the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do : behavior that does not agree with what someone claims to believe or feel

That guy was saying that we shouldn't preserve human life, and that we shouldn't even try to keep them alive because it's good to help with overpopulation. He's saying that when you apply this to others, it is a positive thing, because their lives don't matter really, but then if you apply it to him it becomes a negative.

This completely contradicts what he was saying he believed, because his later statement doesn't fit in with it.

>>1731884
Yes, laziness.

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>>1731694
because it increases this to happen

>>1735567
>That guy was saying that we shouldn't preserve human life,
Wrong.
I said if you care about combating overpopulation you should stop encouraging the population growth of societies with disproportionately high birth rates.

Stating that only SOME human life should be preserved is not the same thing as stating that NO human life should be preserved.
What kind of idiot acts like all people are the same and interchangeable, when even the most basic examination of the experience proves this false? If humans are perfectly interchangeable why can't I exchange my perspective with that of another?

There is nothing hypocritical about expecting other people to die as a solution to the prospect of overpopulation.

>>1733445
Not for reasons of pleasure. Only because they are retarded.

>>1735773
>Stating that only SOME human life should be preserved is not the same thing as stating that NO human life should be preserved.

Yes, but if you're going "It's okay to stop them existing but not if you stop me existing", you are a hypocrite, as your entire point of view it "It's okay when other people do it, but not when it happens to me".

>What kind of idiot acts like all people are the same and interchangeable, when even the most basic examination of the experience proves this false? If humans are perfectly interchangeable why can't I exchange my perspective with that of another?

If humans aren't perfectly interchangeable, what makes you worth keeping?

>There is nothing hypocritical about expecting other people to die as a solution to the prospect of overpopulation.

There is though, because you're saying it's only morally sound when it applies to others. It's the definition of hypocrisy, applying a different standard to everyone else than yourself.

>>1731870
But that's not even gay.

>>1735339
>Homosexual culture is pretty degenerate.

And can your culture not exist in the same environment of the culture of people who have homosexual tendencies?