What could Hitler have done differently to win the war?

Not breaking the non-aggression pact with Russia couldn't hurt.

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Team up with the west and cry rape whenever the USSR did anything

>>1722023
The Soviet Union would end up breaking the pact, they were expanding west, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Finland and Poland. Sure Germany was next.

>>1722019

>What could Hitler have done differently to win the war?

Don't invade Poland.

>>1722035
They had to save the ethnic Germans from Polish racism.

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>>1722038
>Stop oppresing us by not allowing us to opress you!

>>1722060
I'm not defending the Germans, both sides were terrible during the war. Remenber, there are no "good" guys in a war.

>>1722019
Not attack fucking france and britain, or any western country for that matter. They would have happily teamed up with him to annihilate the Russians and delivered their jews for the holocaust.

>>1722063
>Remenber, there are no "good" guys in a war.

Kindly remind me what did the civilians of Poland did to be labeled the "bad guys". For defending their country against cavemen who wanted to murder them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_of_the_Polish_Post_Office_in_Danzig

>>1722031
Like hell old Joseph would.

You saw how slaughtered they got prior to American aid and german mistakes,
they'd be fools to attack Germany.
Plus they wouldn't have even been close to being battle ready for atleast a few years,
in which time Hitler could have made leaps and bounds on the other fronts.

>>1722023
This

>>1722019
Not allying with Japan.

Not go to war with Poland and the west. Stalin would attack him eventually for sure and unless he is allied or at least in peace with the west he is fucked.

For that, I guess he must not antagonize the western allies by shitting all over the Versailles treaty. But this without that he could not make the German army strong enough to beat the soviets, so it looks lik Hitler was fucked either way.

>>1722031
The difference is that this time Hitler wouldn't bless their expansion.

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>>1722031
>The Soviet Union would end up breaking the pact, they were expanding west, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Finland and Poland. Sure Germany was next.
>Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Finland and Poland.

Because Hitler LITERALLY signed a treaty with Stalin saying those countries were in the Soviet sphere of influence and he could eat their territory at his leisure. Do you have no knowledge of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact or something?

>>1722063
You don't happen to believe something called the holocaust may not have happened too?

>>1722023
>>1722031
>>1722082

USSR was weak at the moment Germany attacked thanks to the great purge, but was building up. We can't now for sure Stalin would attack in the end but it was a strong possibility, and Barbarossa was not doomed from the start.

>>1722063
That doesn't change the fact that Germany was significantly worse than it's enemies.

>>1722038
Over-inflated claims launched for the sole purpose of finding justification for the impending invasion of Poland.Most were forcefully relocated, but only some were actually killed.

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>>1722078
I think he's referring to the russians. But since you asked, if you've read any accounts from holocaust survivors, you'd know the Polish capos were often far worse to inmates than German guards.

>>1722019
Not starting it.

>>1722230
You can't just judge the few by the many like that.
Antisemitism in free Poland never got near as bad as it got in Germany and the Polish Home army had a death penalty on anyone giving away Jews to the German occupants.

>>1722082
USSR would have won even without US aid, it would just be a lot costlier
>germans would have won if they somehow had clairvoyance and didnt make a single mistake

>leaps and bounds on the other fronts
like what, do you actually believe taking over britain was ever possible with absolutely zero chance on the sea and air

>>1722067

How? They both declared war against Germany, not the other way around.

>>1722203

Worse how? You mean the racism that was present in every country during the that time period? Or warcrimes that every country did during the war(especially Japan and ussr)?

>>1722291
>Worse how? You mean the racism that was present in every country during the that time period?
No other countries I know off tried to exterminate entire peoples during that war.
And Russian war crimes was mostly aimed at Germans so reaped what they sowed.

>>1722060
Why are all those German soldiers sleeping? Don't they have a war to fight?

>>1722019
>What could Hitler have done differently to win the war?

Die in mid 1941. The war could have been won by his successor, presumably a competent high-ranking Third Reich leader that wasn't going insane.

>>1722019
Maybe attack Russia while Russia was getting humiliated in Finland in 1939?

>>1722324
While Hitler did quite a lot of mistakes parts of his restitution comes from surviving Generals blaming their own mistakes and failures on him.

>>1722325
>Russians getting humiliated in Finland because Stalin is using troops from the south in the dead of winter instead of the troops stationed in Northern Russia
>invade him during said winter
>while those troops are still there

Brilliant plan, Hitler.

>>1722331
Winter war ended in March, and Hitler always planned on invading Russia in early spring.

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>>1722031
>they were expanding west, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Finland and Poland.

that was the fucking deal Hitler made with them. What Hitler really should have done is start kissing Britain and Frances ass after the Munich Agreement and fire Ribbentrop and try to greatly improve relations with the western powers and stop his autistic persecution of jews and not invade Poland.

>>1722348
>stop his autistic persecution of jews
we didn't go to war with Hitler because of his human rights abuses in the 30s, America was doing similar shit to the blacks

we went to war with Hitler because he was a military expansionist and he repeatedly lied. Europe wanted peace but Hitler didn't

>>1722359
>we didn't go to war with Hitler because of his human rights abuses in the 30s

if ruined his international image and made him look like a giant asshole. He actually did a pretty good job of building up a good image of himself after the olympics, and then flushed that all down the drains with krisstalnacht

Can someone explain why France, England, ... declared war on Germany but not Russia?
Even though Russia also invaded Poland only a few days later?

>>1722382
The British and French probably hated the Germans more then the Russians. I also wouldn't be surprised if British parliament and its French counterpart had a lot of communist sympathizers.

>>1722382
we'd given Germany explicit warning NOT to invade Poland after the Czech Crisis yet they went and did it anyway

>>1722382
Russia didn'tdeclare a war at Poland and Poland didn't declare war at Russia so the Allies just let it be since the whole thing was antigerman either way. Churchill did want to wage war at them but Hitler put a stop for that.

>>1722382
Poland was guaranteed against German aggression, not Soviet aggression.

>>1722389
Wasn't one pf the reasons the Allies let Germany break so many treaties that they wanted them as a counterweight against Russia?

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>>1722382

The treaty between France and Poland was only about Germany, so they werent required to

UK did have to attack them based on their deal with Poland, but the thing is, they both (France and UK) bitched out. They were supposed to rush in and beat the shit out of Germany the moment they attacked Poland, but they didnt do shit for 8 months and let her get over run.

And Russia was just seen as the little bitch side kick to Germany really. Like if Germany was Jabba the Hut, Russia would be that laughing little rat thing. They just werent a big deal.

But when Russia invaded Finland, the UK did have a plan to ship supplies and weapons to the Finns by going through Norway and Sweden, but the nordics went "REEEE MUH NEUTRALITY!" and didnt let them pass. Hitler then took Denmark and Norway later on.

pic related, its Stalin in 1939

>>1722389
Not really. By the 1930s, even the socialist British party, the Labour party, became staunchly anti-communist. Stalinism and infiltration attempts had really given communism an awful image in Britain. Chamberlain fucking despised Bolsheviks and many British institutions were actually more pro-Germany, even if it was because they saw them as the perfect ally to defeat communism with.

>>1722399
I believe the King of Britain wanted Germany to be strong so as to act as a buffer against Soviet Russia. I don't know about the western politicians in 1939.

>>1722407

This. Even Joe Kennedy (JFKs dad) didnt want the US to enter the war to help Britain and instead wanted us to side with Germany against Russia.

>>1722407
>>1722419
Then Germany shouldn't have been utter cunts and start eating Central Europe.

>>1722435
Yes, I agree with you. My point was that Britain wasn't "sympathetic" to commies. Nazis and Bolsheviks were just both being really, really cunty

>>1722149
No one mentioned the holocaust, no need to get your chosen blood boiling.

>>1722147
>>1722348
Actually didn't know that. But why would it be archived that the soviet union had more than 20 divisions on the border with Germany while Germany only had like 3?

>>1722462
When exactly?
Also, Soviets had a mega retarded defense doctrine that stated they in case of attack would instantly start advancing into enemy lands, leading to them pressing their armies up against the borders-

>>1722469
Saw it in a documentary, it might be fake.

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>>1722462
>that the soviet union had more than 20 divisions on the border with Germany while Germany only had like 3?

[citation needed]

The Germans got Italians, Finns, Romanians, and Hungarians to amass a giant force on the boarders with the soviet union. Something like 4 million soldiers which was the largest invasion force in history. Stalin didnt even believe it when he first got reports of it, and even after they actually invaded.

He thought it was all a trick by the british to get him to attack Germany first since the brits and Churchill had a long history of hating the USSR

>>1722462
What are you on about. The Soviets were outnumbered by about a million men during the early weeks of Barbarossa.

>>1722110
also this

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>>1722489
>The Germans got Italians, Finns, Romanians, and Hungarians to amass a giant force on the boarders with the soviet union

also, around 200,000 spanish volunteers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl7bkqNEXlM

>>1722520
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqXgMuVxgvM

>>1722489
>>1722509
see>>1722475

"Greatest Story Never Told" that's the name of the documentary, i've watched it to know what's inside the head of the National Socialists, some things there are actually well formed, i'm just not very good at explaining them.

And also.
> Something like 4 million soldiers
> The Soviets were outnumbered by about a million men during the early weeks of Barbarossa

Remenber that the soldiers were mobilized to the border before attacking.

PS: I'm not defending Hitler or National Socialism, i have to make that vey clear in this board, because liberals always jump at you.

>>1722520
Some of them were Portuguese volunteers, if that matters.

>>1722529
>a documentary
>Greatest story never told
Kinda important thing. But I haven't seen it (Yet) so what may I say.

Did they say during what period of time this was? Like was it after or before the fall of France and for how long?

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>>1722529
>"Greatest Story Never Told" that's the name of the documentary

lol you do realize that is just neo-nazi propaganda, and not history? Its all complete bullshit and explains why you dont really know a lot of things about the war.

Please stick to actual history. If you want a good book about the eastern front, read Stalingrad by Antony Beevor

>>1722509

Shhhhh, your destroying my Slavic Hordes meme with your "facts".

>>1722541
After, it's a decent watch, they actually source everything the say in the end, mostly books, speeches and some websites.

>>1722545
> neo-nazi propaganda

From what i know, Neo-Nazis and Skinheads aren't actual National Socialists. National Socialists actually read and what not, neo nazis just want to hate on something. Have you ever watched it?

>>1722038
>>1722060

German minority in Poland was literally the best treated minority in Europe precisely because Germany screamed bloody murder over everything.

You are literally swallowing the cum of Nazi propaganda.

>>1722555
Alright, remember if they stated during what period?

>>1722560
What do you mean with period? Period of the war?

>>1722558
I'm not swallowing it, but do you actually have proof on that?

>>1722561
As in during what period do they say the USSR outnumbered Germany so much? Was it before or after the invasion France, or maybe both?

>>1722569
After that invasion of France, i've wrote that.

>>1722555
>Have you ever watched it?

yes. Its neo-nazi propaganda and is shit, as evident of you not learning any history from it and just shilling national socialism.

Richard J Evans is probably the best living historian about the third reich. He wrote a trilogy about their rise and fall if you want to read that as well.

>>1722541
its like a 20 hour long youtube documentary about how hitler dindu nuffin

>>1722575
It's 6 hours and the documentary also talks on how Hitler saved Germany, which he did, at the start, he also wanted to export the jews out of Germany and get them to Israel, which is fact, there is alot of info on that, pictures of boats, archives, even a coin. But then with the War they had to stop that. And the holocaust info is actually pretty good. But there is better info on that.

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>>1722581
Forgot pic

>>1722581
>And the holocaust info is actually pretty good
Let me guess obsolete holocaust-denial stuff?

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>>1722581
Isn't there a lot of epic "two steps from hell" music in it too?

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>>1722581
>Also, Soviets had a mega retarded defense

>dat dogwhistling

lol

heres something the "documentary" conveniently forgot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a_cmbi3iIg

>>1722591
Not obsolete, and let me make this clear, i'm not defending Hitler. Most of the info is about how the gas chambers in auchwitz can't actually, well, gas people, without blowing up, and how zyklon B was present in every camp, because it was used to destroy Typhus, also alot of jews talking on how there was bands and theaters in auchwitz. Try to have a open mind on this. There is also another fact, altough this has to do with math and i can't really explain it, but i can provide source.

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>>1722595

heres the trailer lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgbxgfJBpUA

>>1722566
What about hundreds of German schools, bilingual administration, German political parties (including German senators for life) and so on.

This paid off because in difference to Sudetenland, only a minority of Polish Germans embraced Nazism. Some were even active in Polish army and underground.

A good example was admiral von Unrug who commanded the Polish defence of the coast. Von Unrug, a member of ancient Frankonian family and a war hero of WW1, claimed to have forgotten the German language on September 1st, 1939. He refused to leave his POW camp and spoke through interpreter even with his own fucking family.

Or the Polish branch of von Habsburgs who lived in their estates in Żywiec. The Nazis expropriated them because they bluntly refused to have anything to do with them.

As far as I know, there was even certain von Bismarck who fought with distinction for the Polish army.

>>1722595
Tons of it :^)

>>1722598
Never said they had a retarded defense and let me say this again, i'm not defending Hitler or saying this is true, i'm just stating the facts. And that speech video is odd, could be faked.

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>>1722611
>i'm not defending Hitler.

literally every holohoax meme is proven wrong here if you wish to read it.

http://imgur.com/a/725A7

>>1722624
>i'm just stating the facts

>And that speech video is odd, could be faked.

its not you obvious stormshill

>>1722627
Holocaust deniers can't read.

>>1722627
I'll actually give that a read, thanks.

>>1722631
Call me what you want, i just like to know what both sides think.

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>>1722644
>i just like to know what both sides think.

you are dogwhistling neo-nazi propaganda while you dont even understand what the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was about.

please stick to actual history instead of neo-nazi propaganda if you want to actually learn anything

Why do people in this thread have to be so rude?

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>>1722652
Didn't David Irving drop out because of lack of Funds?
That's at least what the Wikipedia says.

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>>1722652
>you are dogwhistling neo-nazi propaganda

Nope, i'm just giving the other side of History, to be analized, not silenced. But i guess people can't cope with different views on things, even when i state i'm not trying to defend National Socialism.

PS: I'm a Classical Libertarian.

>>1722611
>Most of the info is about how the gas chambers in auchwitz can't actually, well, gas people, without blowing up
As I said, obsolete bullshitting from Leuchter report. If you had basic knowledge in chemistry you would know that lethal concentration of HCN is waaay below the concentration needed for explosion.

>because it was used to destroy Typhus
Another lie, Zyclon B has an irritant in it to warn people of danger. Germans produced large quantity of de-odorized Zyclon, so it would be more convenient mord-gass.

>jews talking on how there was bands and theaters in auchwitz.
Half-assed truth or plain bullshitting. These institutions would either serve as Potemkin's villages or fun for western POWs and staff.

>There is also another fact, altough this has to do with math and i can't really explain it
Life hack #1488: If you read some opinion from "expert" telling you "What you are not being told" and you have no knowledge to judge that, its most likely crap.

tl;dr: You were lied to. This shit can be fact-checked in less than five minutes and you still ate it without asking question. Logical conclusion is that you are either incredibly guillible fool or you are "merely pretending" to be one.

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>>1722669
>Nope, i'm just giving the other side of History, to be analized, not silenced.

you didnt even know what the molotov ribbentrop pact was about and your immediate response to the Posen Speech by Himmler was "its probably fake"

>>1722653
reported :^)

>>1722681
Sure, i'm actually very undecided wether i believe in the Holocaust or not, i've been looking for evidence from both sides but it's hard to actually find a good source.

>>1722684
I don't know German, i have no idea what he is saying, same thing goes for Hitler's speeches. People can fake whatever they want on the translation.

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>>1722669

i smell /pol/cat

>>1722701
>i've been looking for evidence from both sides but it's hard to actually find a good source.
>it's hard to actually find a good source.

Literally wikipedia is good enough. Or Nizkor if you want to get serious.

>>1722701
>i have no idea what he is saying

it has the translations right next to it. You are pulling the "its probably fake" excuse because it proves you wrong on your belief that the holocaust never happened.

And its funny how you are this fucking skeptical about shit like the Posen Speech, but eat up legit neo-nazi propaganda without a second thought and accept as fact, a word you keep mentioning. As if anyone will take your views seriously after you already shown yourself to be pretty ignorant on WW2.

>>1722714
I don't really trust wiki, but i'll check Nizkor.

>>1722709
Why would i go to a containment board? That place is filled with people that actually think a meme frog has powers.

>>1722726
>I don't really trust wiki
But you trust Greatest Story Never Told and Leuchter? Are you training for foolympics or something?

>>1722724
That's because i had my time to be skeptical about "neo nazi propagnda". And as i said, i'm still undecided. Also, i know it has translations, but the person who made that video can write whatever he wants on those translations.

>>1722734
see>>1722701

u n d e c i d e d

>>1722462
>Actually didn't know that.

That's quite literally WW2 101, stop going to /pol/ for this shit and read some books.

>But why would it be archived that the soviet union had more than 20 divisions on the border with Germany while Germany only had like 3?

Because Stalin moved the Soviet lines to the border with Germany, with orders to construct a new defensive line their while abandoning the Stalin Line further inland. And because Hitler moved everything West to attack France once Poland was secure, that was his plan all along and the purpose of Molotov-Ribbentrop in the first place, to avoid a war on two fronts.

That's exactly why he turned back east and attacked in 1941, he couldn't afford to wait for the USSR and the USA to be ready to fight him.

>>1722735
>but the person who made that video can write whatever he wants on those translations.

so in other words, since it proves you wrong, then all of a sudden theres literally no way to believe it and the guy is just lying about the german translations?

got it stormfag.

>>1722741
I also don't believe in the translations of Hitler's speeches, and no, i'm not a stormfag.

>>1722740
I also don't go to /pol/, you people can't really see any other views without screaming your key words can't you?

>>1722393
But Russia did officially declare war on Poland, only a few days after Germany.

>>1722390
>>1722396
>>1722402
That's a lame reason not to get on Russia's case for doing the same thing.
Sounds like an excuse to me.

>>1722751
>express opinion only ever found on /pol/&stormfront
>i-i don't go there guys, honest!

How does anyone visit any other source on this without learning about Molotov-Ribbentrop?

>>1722758
>Sounds like an excuse to me.

>to me

who cares what you think? youre a stormfag who doesnt even know what the molotov-ribbentrop pact was

>>1722758
>But Russia did officially declare war on Poland, only a few days after Germany.
Seems like they did, fuck.
>Warsaw, as the capital of Poland, no longer exists. The Polish Government has disintegrated, and no longer shows any sign of life. This means that the Polish State and its Government have, in point of fact, ceased to exist. In the same way, the Agreements concluded between the U.S.S.R. and Poland have ceased to operate. Left to her own devices and bereft of leadership, Poland has become a suitable field for all manner of hazards and surprises, which may constitute a threat to the U.S.S.R. For these reasons the Soviet Government, who has hitherto been neutral, cannot any longer preserve a neutral attitude towards these facts... In these circumstances, the Soviet Government have directed the High Command of the Red Army to order troops to cross the frontier and to take under their protection the life and property of the population of Western Ukraine and Western White Russia. — People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the U.S.S.R. V. Molotov, September 17, 1939 [70]
Russians are the Jews of Europe.

>>1722780
Because i got this info on that documentary, any other info i know from ww2 is what i learned in school and history channel documentaries, i'm more of a medieval and ancient times guy.

>>1722786
>molotov-ribbentrop pact
It was a fiery cocktail of a pact, I know that much.

If anything, that pact is all the more reason to declare war on Russia for doing the exact same thing.

>Germany + Russia are both expanding into neighboring countries
>Germany + Russia sign a BFF pact
>Germany + Russia both attack Poland
>declare war on Germany only

It just makes no sense.

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>>1722793

>same fagging this hard
>claim you cant trust wikipedia
>quote wikipedia when it suits you
>claim to not be a stormfag while shilling stormfag meme history
>be ridiculously stubborn about actual history
>dogwhistling holocaust denial shit while claiming to just be objective
>"russians are the jews of europe"

can you please just fuck off?

>>1722805
>It just makes no sense.

yeah, it was all the jews fault. the fucking kikes controlled britain and france and russia

>>1722807
That's not me, but keep using your key words.

>>1722807
Not me bucko, calm down.

>>1722739
And? If you say you are undecided on flatness of Earth after you've seen your 18th summer, it won't make you sound any less of a fool. But if you are genuinly not trolling and want us to help you decide, then please fill my JIDF survey.

>Why do you have a feeling that GSNT has any credit to it?
>Why do you eat these lies up without proof-check?
>Why do you dissmiss all serious historians so easily?
>How do you think the whole world could agree to make up a historical event?
>Where do you think all those Jews dissapeared if there was no holocaust?

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>>1722019

This is this today's designated Hitler thread and it doesn't seem to completely polluted by Stormfags yet, I have some questions:

1. How important was Hitler to the actual rise of the Nazis? Could they have taken over Germany without his leadership? Who would have been the Nazi leader if he had died? From an objective point of view, it seems like the Nazis would have been better off with a different leader.

2. Why was the Swastika such an important symbol for the Nazis? I mean, what other world leader has ever worn an armband like that portraying a symbol? It just seems so weird because I don't think the Swastika had any German heritage before the Nazis adopted it. Americans love their flags but even they've never gone this far with it.

>>1722019
Not bring a prick
If he didn't kill Jews and invited the conquered people into his fold instead of prioritizing "germans" he could have been seen as a hero
At least to people who don't shit post all day

>>1722837
>JIDF

lol no, you're worse than stormfront and pol.

>>1722850
>Why was the Swastika such an important symbol for the Nazis

From what i know it started out as a symble that would "strike fear into the hearths of communists"

t. the guy people are calling a stormfag without even knowing me

>>1722858

>its a "stormfag has no idea what the fuck he is talking about" episode

lol

>>1722869
Keep calling me a stormfag, i don't even know why you're so butthurt.

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>>1722853
wat??

>>1722858
>uses stormfag logic
>claims not to be a stormfag
I wonder who could be behind this post

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>>1722669
>other side of history

We can study the "other side" of history quite well enough without resorting to parroting propaganda. The actions of the Axis nations during WW2 are incredibly interesting, especially in regards to the minor nations. But not knowing the details of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? That's being actively ignorant.

>>1722850
He was the face of nazism. His charisma brought in the supporters and he was pretty much a celebrity after releasing Mein Kampf. As for an alternate leader? Before the night of the long knives, there were the Strasser brothers who would've taken Germany into a very different direction. Böhm might've done it as well; he was also very socialist. Other than that, probably Göring.

The swastika became a symbol in the Western world in early 20th century after Schliemann's discoveries in Troy. It was appropriated as the symbol of the Indo-European people and in certain radical circles it came to symbolise the so-called Aryans. Hitler merely adopted the symbol.

>settle things between China and Japan
>make friends with them
>have them invade Russia from the east
>invade Russia from the west in the meantime

>>1722973

Did Hitler ever actually go to Japan?

>>1722877
>b-b-but the gommies
Typical stormfag apologist trash. This is a history board. Everyone who isn't a blithering retard knows it was chosen because of it's Indian origins.

>>1722973

Invade with what? The only reason Japan choose to go south and declaring on UK and the Dutch was the lack of resources. You actually think they would march thousand of miles and meet germans at Moscow?

He should've strived more not to antagonize France and Poland.

They were nationalists in France eager to be rid of the socialist Front Populaire government, and that didn't mind that being done by a german invasion that culminated in Petain becoming leader of France, but Hitler was such an idiot about reigniting WW1-era tensions (signing the peace at Rethondes) that he alienated all those french.

Same with Poland, in which there were scores of people itching at the chance to fight back communism.

Had Hitler not been such an elitist about this being uniquely a German (and Axis) operation, then he could've have had the backing of half of France, and half of Poland. That's millions of more men in Barbarossa.

But instead he had to antagonize even the people who were eager about a fascist government being set up, being such a "muh revenge" tard, and it cost him the build-up of resistance factions in both those countries.

>>1722023
Hitler wanted Lebensraum in Russia, that was his literal goal in the war. Hence why he attacked Poland in the first place. So if he never broke the pact and attacked the USSR, he would have never achieved his goal winning the war.

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>>1722807
I am actually one of those that has been arguing against him but whatever.

>>1722019
NATO style allying up with every body roll back communism before it was cool

>>1723060
What if the Nazis decided to go get living space west instead of east? Like if the Germans decided to take French land instead of Polish, and Russian land. What would have happened then?

>>1724832
Ignoring ideological principles that would prevent something like that from happening, mainland France is many times smaller than the area they planned to annex in the east and a part of it is mountainous. The population density in France is also much higher than in the eastern territories.
Still, they did plan on taking more land in Lorraine and Franche-Comte.

germany lost when they declared war on poland
but really they lost before that too, because at that point everyone were already out to get them