Operation Market Garden

The underestimated the strength of German forces in the area.

>>1706785
what does NS have to do with anything

Sosabowski

>>1706768

Montgomery was a hack fraud

Critical intelligence on enemy formations was dismissed because fuck Ultra and aerial surveillance amirite?

The Allies expected their armor to advance 12 million miles without issue to support the Paras and were shocked when that failed.

Other than that, the Paras and the Poles fought admirably, as die the Germans.

>>1706768
Britbongs can't fight for shit. This is what happens when they don't have American supervision and aid.

Shitty defunct radio equipment and shitty landing zones too far from the objectives

>>1706768
Severely underestimated german strength coupled with highly unrealistic objectives.

>>1706768
Everything depended on everything working out 100% as expected.

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>>1706942
>/int/posters

>normandy and caen campaign were a success!

>it must be because germans are incompetent!

>lets try an airborne invasion because krauts are so fucking bad at fighting lmao

Allied High Command

> Montgomery you fuck, you nearly blew Operation Goodwood with your cowardly ways

Montgomery

> I'll show you, I'll plan the most ambitious airborne operation ever and blame the Polish when it fails

Well, we know how that went

>>1706936
>The Allies expected their armor to advance 12 million miles without issue

The operation hinged on XXX Corps advancing as aggressively as possible with its' tanks to support the paratroopers.

They sent a Armored Corps through the marsh country on one road easily blocked by the Germans.

>Among the controversial aspects of the plan was the necessity that all the main bridges be taken. The terrain was also ill-suited for the mission of XXX Corps.[71] Brereton had ordered that the bridges along XXX Corps' route should be captured with "thunderclap surprise".[147] It is therefore surprising in retrospect that the plans placed so little emphasis on capturing the important bridges immediately with forces dropped directly on them. In the case of Veghel and Grave where this was done, the bridges were captured with only a few shots being fired.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Market_Garden#Optimistic_planning

Then when they had an opportunity they went to bed instead.

>XXX Corps was also criticized for its "inability" to keep to the operation's timetable. The most notable example of this was on Wednesday 20 September, when Nijmegen Bridge had finally been captured and the Guards Armoured Division, after crossing, promptly came to a halt for the night to rest, refuel and rearm. XXX Corps was delayed at Son by a bridge demolition and the delay at Nijmegen (having arrived by D+3, within the maximum time estimate, having compensated for the delay to build a Bailey Bridge at Son) was caused by having to help the 82nd's paratroopers capture the town and bridges. The lead unit of XXX Corps, the Guards Armoured Division, was led by a commander (Allan Adair) whom Montgomery had sought to remove prior to D-Day. This action was blocked due to Adair's popularity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Market_Garden#Missed_opportunities

>>1706768
>So why did Market Garden fail?

Alas, it was but a bridge too far.

>>1706768
They've had less transport planes than needed and couldn't unload all the paras at once.

Now the question is why didn't they drop them on the nearest bridges first and then dropped more into Arnhem etc. zone. They would still do it faster than ground units could reach them and Germans wouldn't blow the bridge up because it would cut out their escape route. The point of this operation wasn't destroying German units in the Netherlands but opening the route into Germany so whether they would retreat or not wouldn't matter as much.

So yeah - optimism was sky high and that's why it flopped.

>>1706936
>montgomery was a hack fraud

why do us films always portray him as a bumbling idiot

he just did things his way and was ruthlessly efficient, just unlucky

>>1706942
fuck off to int, you're the cancer of this board

>>1710239
>why do us films always portray him as a bumbling idiot
Because he was hack fraud who's all successes were thanks to Harold Alexander

>>1709083
>>1710239
no secret that america has a better army than everyone else

>>1706768
Look before you slip, slip right to avoid a collision, the lower jumper has the right of way....

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>>1706768
AAAARGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

>>1710180
u had me until you sourced wikipedia

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>>1706768

>mfw just watched A Bridge Too Far again last night

why do the British ruin everything?

>>1710239


>why does history always portray him accurately

>>1706768

I always felt we tried to go a bridge too far

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>>1710306
The American army is infamously terrible
What makes the American military powerful is numbers and funding

>>1710468
The guy on the left is an airsofter. The guy on the right is a POG that stays at a base doing civilian tier work all day.

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>>1710482

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>>1710482
Hmmm

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>>1710482
Hmmmmmm

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>>1710482
Hmmmmmmmmm

>>1710486
Fat bastard and a female. Probably National Guard.

>>1710494
POG

>>1710501
POG or NG in the motor pool.

You're not going to see any pictures of these fatties in combat.

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Was it autism?

>>1710514
Doesn't matter, the fact is that your army is absolute shit that doesn't even enforce basic physical training standards
>best army in the world
Lmaoing at your life

>>1710524
You can find a billion pictures of non-combatants from other military forces that are totally out of shape. If they manage to scrape by the bare minimum standards, then they keep them around. Nobody cares if the guy who works in the supply warehouse is in peak physical condition.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/mar/06/germany.armedforces

>>1710540
Find me a pic of a fat British soldier

>>1710558
Search bubbling is a helluva drug.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8538939/Half-of-British-soldiers-are-obese-or-overweight.html

>>1710573
Jokes on you I'm Finnish :^)

>>1710468
>The American army is infamously terrible

>people unironicallly believe this

you probably believe the British were "more professional and competent" in WW2 too

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>>1710590
>Jokes on you I'm Finnish :^)

>>1710601
Delet

I can't understand why they didn't do it along the coast, where they would at least be protected from flanking on one side by the sea and could even use the sea to ferry in tanks like they did on the Normandy d-day. Or they could have attacked further inland, near the Alps, where there would be the less rivers and bridges to cross and other choke-points. It seems Monty chose the absolute worse place to actually do the offensive.

>>1710614
There weren't no roads there nig nog. The route chosen was more or less a straight shot, necessary for the rapid advance needed. Of course this advance hinged on the Germans barely delaying the advance.

>>1710515

He was a lean, mean PR machine. Tactically pretty dogshit but he sure could pretend it was all him.