The Average Kraut

>>1705231
there was a lot of anti jew propoganda and most germans were brainwashed to think that jews were less than people. Most wouldnt have known aabout the death camps only work camps.

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>>1705231

Most fought for nationalism. Many simply enjoyed the army life - as in any country - with nationalism being secondary. Few fought for the supremacy of the white race.

By the outset of the war:

Everyone knew jews were being treated like second class citizens and of the racial laws that were being enacted.

Nobody knew of the holocaust or extermination camps, because that hadn't happened yet.

Lots of people knew about concentration or labour camps because believe it or not, that was kind of a thing in early 1900's european empire building.

By the end of the war, pretty much everyone knew that something was wrong with how the jews were treated. While there was no official information on it, soldiers on rotation to the front and to other forms of occupation duty would spread gossip at home. The gossip spread. Add to that the suppression of various ghettos and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that jews were being treated like vermin. But by then it was too late - you were already to caught up in this war business.

>>1705231
>I feel like maybe a large driving force behind recruitment was "revenge" for WW1's outcome?

quite likely. Butthurt is main fuel of modern nationalism

>>1705231

The standard propaganda line was the Jews and other undesirables had simply been relocated, and they were being treated humanely.

I honestly don't think any average Wehrmacht soldier thought about the Jews on a regular basis at all. They probably hated the British and French more.

>>1705669
I doubt they hated the british or the french, or at least not after dream that was the west campaign.
It's the "Ivan" they despised.

>>1705231
They might not of known all the details, but they were certainly aware of the overall situation. The average German soldier participated in or was witness to tons of war crimes, against Jews or against Slavs. Back home, people noticed their Jewish neighbors being deported. Hitler and Goebbels referred to the Final Solution in public speeches, albeit euphemistically. Read Richard Evans' The Third Reich at War, he includes tons of letters from German soldiers and civilians which indicate they were aware of atrocities being committed against Jews and other groups. Sometimes it was even a motivation to continue fighting: Germans worried that same sorts of things would be visited on them when they lost.

Most Germans didn't share exterminationist views towards Jews, but they basically accepted the Nazi policy. Up until 1941, Hitler seemed to be going from success to success, so most Germans, not having strong opinions on the topic one way or the other, were willing to follow his lead. Ian Kershaw's work on public opinion in Bavaria is best if you want to know more about the German public's opinions of Jews under the Third Reich.

>>1705724

A good amount probably hated the french and British.

You are forgetting that European nationalism is generally all about fighting other European nationalists over petty shit. Remember if one war or border conflict or trade disputes happens between two highly nationalistic peoples, its an insult against the entire nations.

Its why the internet nationalists today don't really know what they are asking for, or rather they want 'diet nationalism' and then will end up with something they don't want.

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>>1705231
There was no holocaust, so they wouldn't have known anything.

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>>1705824
Absolute bollocks mate desu.

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>>1705231
What holocaust?
@TGNSTtv

>>1705231
My Grandmother fled Germany during the war and didn't find anything out about the war until she left Germany.

Modern people do not understand how propaganda would have worked in a world where you cannot fact check anything and the minority are the ones who know what is truly going on and cannot express it or convince others because the minority are also the ones with all the power.

You do not honestly believe there was an army of people fighting for the express purposes of genocide the jews? It's a romantic idea and serves the romantic picture of WWII.

But people are not evil, anon.

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>>1707611
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>>1705767
>Jewish neighbors being deported
People's jewish neighbours were deported for the same reason the Americans put Japanese residents in camps. Because global jewry declared war on Germany in 1933 and thousands of them were fighting as partisans and saboteurs.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=american+internment+camps+ww2&biw=1920&bih=923&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq9dDFyZfPAhWBIcAKHQAlAIsQ_AUIBigB

>>1707646
>My Grandmother fled Germany during the war and didn't find anything out about the war until she left Germany.
That's because the holocaust story was made up. The holocaust IS the propaganda.

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>>1707649
Not to mention the disproportionate numbers of jews in the communist party.

Members of the German Spartakusbund:

Karl Liebknecht German
Clara Zetkin JEW
Rosa Luxemburg JEW
Leo Jogiches JEW
Paul Levi JEW
Ernst Toller JEW
Eugene Levine JEW
Kurt Eisner JEW
Gustav Landauer JEW
Erich Muehsam JEW

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>>1707682
The Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party:

Krylenko Russian
Lounatcharski Russian
Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW
Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW
Lourie (Larine) JEW
Ouritski JEW
Volodarski JEW
Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) JEW
Smidovitch JEW
Sverdlof (Yankel) JEW
Nakhamkes (Steklof) JEW

The Council of the People’s Commissars:

Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
Agriculture Protian Armenian
Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW
Economic Council Lourie (Larine) JEW
Food Schlichter JEW
Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW
State Control Lander JEW
State Lands Kauffman JEW
Works V. Schmidt JEW
Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) JEWess
Religions Spitzberg JEW
Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW
Hygiene Anvelt JEW
Finance Isidore Goukovski JEW
Press Volodarski JEW
Elections Ouritski JEW
Justice I. Steinberg JEW
Refugees Fenigstein JEW
Refugees (assist.) Savitch JEW
Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski JEW

>>1707611
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>>1707683
We can never have a good discussion about Nazi Germany without /pol/ shitting up the place can we?

>>1707701
Let's have a discussion about reality supported by sourced evidence, not regurgitate a debunked conspiracy theory about how those ebil germans killed all da joos.

>>1707717
"""sourced evidence""" being /pol/ infographics, memes, and youtube videos from literally whos right? Certainly not from academic historians, who are unanimous in saying the Holocaust happened.

>>1707722
>Let's have a discussion about reality
>says holocaust never happened
So ironic to see a retarded /pol/ster who wouldn't know the Historical Method if it hit him on the head, complain about unsourced conspiracy theories... when you're pushing what is an unsourced conspiracy that relies on ignorance and outright lies

>>1707728
No. Primary source evidence of the holocaust.

>academic historians
It is illegal to investigate or deviate from the official holocaust narrative in the countries in which it is alleged to have happened. And there is certainly not unanimity. Do you want to know what happens to historians careers when they deviate off message?

http://www.zundelsite.org/archive/victims/victims_of_zion.html

What the fuck kind of historical event needs laws and hordes of violent extremist enforcers to prevent it being investigated?

>>1707754
>Primary source evidence of the holocaust.

A shit ton exists, from both Germans and Jews. But of course they're all in on the conspiracy, right?

>>1707754
>It is illegal to investigate or deviate from the official holocaust narrative
Absolute nonsense and completely untrue, holocaust denial falls under some country's hate speech laws and even though every country has holocaust deniers and public sites able to be viewed in said countrys, rarely are people prosecuted even if they're red handed posting it on facebook or what have you


The website you list has not even a single source, no newspaper clipping at least? Internets been around for decades already, ffs


Historians DON'T even discuss Holocaust denial because it's laughable and only makes sense in retards heads, ala you

>>1707770
>1707770
God confirms for lucky 7's

>>1707743
Historical narratives should be based on reality according to source evidence. No matter what angle you investigate the holocaust from, Jewish testimonies, German confessions, physical artifacts, population statistics, not only does none of the evidence support the basic assertions of the narrative, government conspiracy, gas chambers, 6 million, there is evidence of industrial scale fraud and lies.

>>1705231
Most of them really didn't care. Most camp guards didn'treally talk about what occured in the camps so unless you worked in the camps you didn't know shit

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>>1707780
>not even a single source
How about a photo of David Irving being arrested in Germany for uttering one sentence questioning one number?

>>1707785
>complains about conspiracy theories
>"industrial scale fraud and lies"

wew lad

>>1707780
>Historians DON'T even discuss Holocaust denial because
It ends their career and subjects them to legal action and death threats. Ernst Zundel was deported from CANADA ffs.

>>1707754
>>1707795
>post MS13 FOR LIFE GET UR GUNS NIGGER
>get shit for being on obvious gang member
>post LYING KIKES THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED
>get shit for being an obvious gang member

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>>1707802
Want to see some?

>>1707809
>Ernst Zundel
not a historian

>>1707809
>(citation needed)

You can makeup nonsense that lacks a single reputable soruce all you want, only braindead retards (aka you) will gobble it up like the cocks you enjoy so much

>>1707816
>(citation needed)
http://www.zundelsite.org/archive/victims/victims_of_zion.html

Look at the shit David Cole got. He was a jew even and had to live for what 20 years incognito in California.

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>>1707841

>>1707830
Not a reputable source

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Citations

This is a reputable source


>>1707833
>>1707836
Anecdotes =/= Historicity of events

Everyone knew about prison camps.
They weren't aware of the Holocaust because it never happened.

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>>1707830
He said REPUTABLE source you dumb cunt

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>>1705767
>Back home, people noticed their Jewish neighbors being deported.

Not to defend Germany, but Vichy France was the only non-occupied country to deport Jews as well, they even passed their own anti-Jewish laws without any influence from Germany, but we don't paint what was a major portion of France (and supported by many French citizens) in the same way we paint German civilians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcRgxlgSXsg

>>1707847
>Anecdotes =/= Historicity of events
THAT IS PRECISELY THE POINT. That's all the evidence we have. Anecdotes. And these are them.

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>/pol/ triggered enough that people are questioning their narrative that they dump their info folder

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>>1707877
"/pol/" could easily be stopped from dumping by explaining what evidence the holocaust narrative is based on.

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>>1705231

This book came out a couple years ago, based on British transcripts of secretly recorded conversations by German POWs. Unfortunately it's written as a social commentary instead of military history, but for what it's worth;

https://mega.nz/#!4RYymThC!Cmo3wAJMakOEfPrJc_EbZn5vyrqBRgSQMWmCCG97co8

>>1705231
>How aware of the holocaust was the average soldier on the front lines/the average german citizen?

Very
But they were conditioned by society into believing it's okay (kinda like 18th century people thought slavery was okay or how current people think abortion is okay).

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>>1707880

>>1707855
>but we don't paint what was a major portion of France (and supported by many French citizens) in the same way we paint German civilians

We don't? Maybe fifty years ago, when myths about the "resistant nation" were still widespread, but now the extent of collaboration is well known. It's still not as bad as the Germans, in that none of it would have happened without the German occupation

>>1707858
Anecdotes from literal who authors don't disprove the holocaust


Mountains of evidence of first hand testimony from those afflicted, those who perpetrated and those who witness, confirm beyond any reasonable doubt the occurring of the holocaust

You being an impressionable retard who believes everything on the Internet doesn't change that

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>>1707900
>A high amount of discourse is expected on /his/

Well below that standard buddy, no one's reading your shillfolder of Nazi dindu stuff

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>>1707899
>Mountains of evidence
Which I notice you are still not posting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW0Kg_rBi2k

>>1707904
Not one single piece of evidence for the holocaust has been posted for discussion, let alone for soldiers' knowledge of it.

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>>1707900

>>1707886
Lol no it couldn't. Holocaust deniers are politically motivated, no amount of evidence can sway them. Besides, one can easily find the "evidence the holocaust narrative is based on" one of the many reputable books on the topic, which would explain the history far better than fucking images on a Lao goat herding board.

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>>1707911

>>1707907
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Citations

Please disprove every single one

>>1707915
I'm only motivated by a wish for my historical understanding to be as close to reality as possible. And hoaxers aren't politically motivated, not to mention psychologically conditioned? I wasn't born believing the holocaust didn't happen you know. It was drilled into me by school and media for over 30 years.

>>1707908
Horseshit, look further up in the thread, books from well-regarded historians were cited. But I guess for /pol/ if it can't be condensed into a single image, infographic, or youtube video, it isn't evidence.

>>1707926
Sure buddy

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>>1707924
Just give us one to look at mate. The best piece of evidence you have for any of the following claims.

>government conspiracy
>gas chambers
>6 million

And I'm talking an actual primary source.
I'm not trawling through wikipedia.

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>>1707682
Greatest red pill I've ever read

>>1707929
No. No (((published))) historians. Primary sources. Besides, historians can't explain why there are too many jews in the world for the holocaust narrative to be even remotely possible.

>>1707926
>I wasn't born believing the holocaust didn't happen you know. It was drilled into me by school and media for over 30 years
Are you retarded or something?

>>1707908
>http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/nuremberg-trials/speeches/goering-and-hess-are-sentenced-for-war-crimes
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Citations

Buy a world history textbook from anywhere, be it China or Bolivia, and you will find it's world Academic Consensus

>>1707812
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>>1707871
>>1707876
>>1707880
>>1707889
>>1707900
>>1707907
>>1707911
>>1707919
This is called a gish gallop, and far from being a compelling argument as /pol/ believes, it is actually an indicator of a fraudster.

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>>1707944
>nuremberg-trials
At the Nuremberg trials shrunken heads, lampshades and soap were accepted as evidence. It was a kangaroo court.

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>>1707701
Having legitimate discussion on the propaganda made by the soviets during ww2 is "shitting up the place" the majority of /pol/ uses this board dumbass, and vice versa. Go to tumblr if you wanna bitch about the Nazis.

>>1707943
Those published historians cite primary sources dumbass

>>1707953
>not an argument
Unfortunately for whatever you're pushing, anyone without an agenda can see the """""testimonies""""" for what they are. Lies.

>>1707960
So let's hear some of them dumbass.

>>1707938
External Links on a wikipedia page =/= a pages citations

What the fuck are you arguing? 2005 webpages made by retarded Stormblrs for Retarded Stormblrs are more reputable than Wikipedia?

>>1707956
Ironic for someone who's not a legal scholar to post a screenshot of law jargon in attempts to somehow disprove the holocaust

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>>1707919

>>1707957
>the majority of /pol/ uses this board
Citation needed

Conjecture is for fifteen year olds

>>1707964
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Citations

>>1707967
Wikipedia is not reputable. Don't take it from me. Take it from the people who write it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBramnCg_s

>>1707971
Still not seeing you post one single piece of evidence mate. With all those citations you must be able to find something.

>>1707964
Why are you so adverse to picking up a book?

>>1707975
>literal who's spouting nonsense determines MY narrative

Makes sense, you're retarded and let retarded things dictate your thinking
This right here BTFO's every nonsense post Stormblrs regurgitate

>http://imgur.com/a/725A7

>>1707982
Why won't you post one single piece of evidence?

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>"lets talk about the holocaust"
>"what if not everything about it is true"
>muh /pol/ boogieman fear

every single time

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>>1707770
The only "primary sources" are from the Jews who got to reap the benefits from the holohoax. What about the Jews who said it didn't happen?

Check out this documentary
https://twitter.com/TGSNTtv
It's on the twitter. Made by Dennis Wise.

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>>1707969

>>1707980
https://news.vice.com/article/auschwitz-reinhold-hanning-nazi-ss-death-camp-guard-apologizes-trial-germany-holocaust

Here's a primary source

>>1707980
Ironically something like this
>>1707969
is primary source evidence for the Holocaust, but for some reason the /pol/tard is dumping it like it somehow proves the opposite.

>>1707988
>hates jews
>wants to talk history
>be unobjective and conflicting of interests
>complains when no one takes them seriously

Almost as if you're fucking retarded

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>>1707985
All you've got to do is pick a piece of evidence and let the board decide mate. When the first image I see in your link is pic related, it makes me a little suspicious about their motives. I.e. I ain't reading your trash propaganda lies.

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>>1707971
>Citation needed

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>>1708004
What the fuck are you talking about?

Pic related is the first image on link

Please don't tell me you're American, I'll be ashamed how bad common cores got you fucked up

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>>1708014
>hAhHAAHAHA we need citations on a HISTORY board haahaaaaa
>surely they won't think im retarded by posting this gif HAHAAA CHECKMATE JEWS

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>>1708004
>If it's not my views, it's your trash propaganda!

>>1708001
>is primary source evidence for the Holocaust
So the jews were steamed to death? And electrocuted? Drowned in clay pits? Burnt alive in synagogues? Because I didn't read much about that in reputable historians. Because no one without an agenda believes this garbage without proof.

Where are the steam machines?

Electrocution chairs?

Clay pits full of bodies?

Burnt synagogues with human remains in them?

This board needs to lose the moralfags.

Every other thread has a moralfag shitposting the entire thing

>>1708025
It was what the citation was needed for. You must have some strong autism bud.

>>1708026
IT'S LITERAL PROPAGANDA BY A LITERALLY WHO.

>>1708004
>I refuse to read evidence because I got triggered by a meme

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>>1708029

>>1708029
Citation? Screenshots? Proof it's one person? Basis for what constitutes your definition of it? Why do you expect people to understand what only exists in your head?

>>1708004
>I ain't reading your trash propaganda lies

so you just stated you never looked at this event in history from a different angle then what you've been told. So if you have not seen both sides how do you know your view is correct?

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>>1708037
The holocaust is literal soviet propaganda, but you're scared to look into anything saying otherwise. Let me help you not get scared, press the power button on your PC or, go check out TGSNTtv.

>>1707996
Ah the annual wheel a geriatric out of fucking nowhere in a chair and dare him to deny the holocaust in court in a country where holocaust denial is illegal. Really makes you think.

>>1708029
Nah.

The problem is people treat the board like it's /pol/ or /int/ or some other high volume board with no moderation.

Boards like this need to be filled with autistic niche posting, and nazi mods.

If Hiroshimoot would get some proper, tendie eating volunteers, this place would be better.

>>1708035
>your 500 citations need citations compared to my Stombuddiez fanfiction hahaha1!!!one!!11!!
>>1708048
You make no sense and your shits retarded, your autism needs to go back to it's containment board

Where did you learn your syntax and composition, holy fucking shit
>>>/s4s/

>>1708046
Mate I am the one who necroed this thread and has been spamming it with truth bombs. I'm calling the shill's website propaganda.

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This thread

this board

>>1708045
>buh buh, the Soviet's weren't spreading propaganda, it was the truth! Israel is our greatest ally! Stupid white supremacist.

>>1708055
This isn't humanities shitposting, it's /pol/ with dates shitposting.

>>1708028
Only the first two seem at all implausible. The latter two seem very likely to be true. Anyway, cherrypicking some exaggerated claims proves nothing. Plenty of other claims have been corroborated by evidence, some of which has been posted in this thread, much more of which can be found in books and around the internet, several of which have been cited here.

>>1708051
I just want the admins to be members of the boards they admin. Stop getting reject reddit mods acting like they know how everyone whats the board to be.

>>1708056
>mu-muh Sormbuddiez who haven't left their house since 2011 are totez trustworthy guiz!! haha no im not an impressionable NEET1!

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>>1708052
That doesn't work on me I'm afraid. I've got an MA in English from the number one rated university for my subject. It's you who needs to up your reading comprehension.

>>1708046
>>1708046
> Soviets would falsifies the fucking door
Jokes on you, they doesn't even have doors to put in proper houses back than.

>>1705579
underrated post, to be honest.

>>1708062
>I've got an MA in English
Does your dad work at Nintendo too?
Yet you type sans punctuation and do everything in power to type like a third grader


Really boggles the ol' noggin

>>1708059
>cherrypicking some exaggerated claims proves nothing
It proves there is widespread fraud and lies that call the entire collection of testimonies into question. When you can't find any that sound remotely plausible, then there's a problem.

>Plenty of other claims have been corroborated by evidence
Still waiting to see them.

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>>1708064
Why are you triggering Soviets man? The 40s-50s were a hard time for them

>>1708069
You need full stops at the end of your sentences mate. Still waiting for that one piece of evidence proving any of the assertions of the holocaust narrative.

>government conspiracy
>gas chambers
>6 million

>>1708071
>widespread
No, that's exactly why they're cherry picked

Stop asking people for evidence you fucking retard, you can easily google them yourself or hit a library, demanding people show YOU specifically evidence doesn't mean shit

>>1708071
They have been provided, you just refuse to read

>>1708045
>so you just stated you never looked at this event in history from a different angle then what you've been told. So if you have not seen both sides how do you know your view is correct?
I learnt one side for my entire life. And then when I actually looked at the sources I found that it wasn't true. I have trawled through sites like Nizkor from the other side. The sheer audacity of the lies makes it unreadable for me anymore. I started this wild ride looking for evidence to prove stormfags wrong. Now I am one.

>>1708076
>http://imgur.com/a/725A7
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Citations


500 pieces of evidence in latter, however many number primary sources in the former


You know you're being facetious and retarded at this point, having to just troll when non-retards trigger your cognitive dissonance

>give me evidence
>here: books, links, photographs
>no, that is kike propaganda, give me """real""" (ie. stuff that agree with my point of view) evidence

Talk about moving the goal posts

>>1708085
I want to read them now and I want to compare it to the physical artifacts. There should be MOUNTAINS of evidence. Look at OJ Simpson. 1 murder in LA and boxes of evidence and they STILL didn't get a conviction. Two times the population of LA gets murdered. Where's the fucking evidence?

Think about it like this. Take a look at this video of a panorama of LA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsEXD6AMA7c

Now try to get your head around how many people are there, about 3 million. Then multiply LA by two. Now you have the number of people who we are supposed to believe were murdered mainly over two years in 6 camps. And then, in the chaos at the end of the war, the nazis managed to hide all trace of their bodies and any documents pertaining to the organisation of all this. And also the infrastructure used to do this. Because what survives today is not sufficient for the task.

How am I supposed to believe this garbage hoax in the face of all this fraud and lies?

>>1708088
> I started this wild ride looking for evidence to prove stormfags wrong. Now I am one.

so you once again stated you never looked for anything besides evidence to prove the holocaust really happened as opposed to evidence it didn't. Further more you researched just to argue against people who deny the holocaust while providing no evidence for it beside your own words.

I mean damn I study political theory and even I read the shit by the guys I hate. I damn well know anarchy is stupid but I try to look at it from a third party angle.

>>1708093
And yet you can't pick one single piece to show the board. I've read it. It's all bollocks. Pick one piece. The best piece.

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The whole basis of holocaust denial is one that is finding inconsistencies or things that don't add up. The whole idea of having mass amounts of "cited evidence" doesn't work well because those historians that do holocaust denial aren't showed in the mainstream light, and are normally shut down by the media, universities, or governments (The holocaust is the only historical event backed up by laws).

The majority of the evidence proving the holocaust was given to us from the Soviet Union, the ones that liberated the "death camps" where the Americans and British liberated the "work camps". Vladimir Putin came out against the Soviet Union leadership saying it was mostly Jews who lead it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bSAB5OPkwQ

I tried to keep this non bias but I'm sure it showed, I'm a holocaust denier after watching some interesting documentaries made by Dennis Wise the maker of TGSNTtv
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/
A very interesting documentary and I invite everyone here, on both sides to watch it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3526810/reviews

>>1708102
>WW2 killed ~70 million people
>a majority of the deaths were in Europe
>10% of these deaths were a group of people Hitler hated
>this is "unbelievable" but the entire thing being a kike conspiracy is totally reasonable

>>1708102
>There should be MOUNTAINS of evidence

There is, and it isn't hard to find, you just refuse to look, and except others to do the work for you

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>Objectivity is required for academic pursuits
>openly subjective and biased
Smh tbqhf
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_method

If your macro jpgs don't hold under these guidelines, internal criticism and peer review, it's not some global conspiracy


Your shits just wrong, shut up and go home

>>1708103
You're misunderstanding me. I deny the holocaust narrative. It is not true. A few hundred thousand jews died from typhus, starvation and execution as partisans, in a war that killed tens of millions. There were possibly a few isolated war crimes. That is not what we're taught in school and the media.

>>1708105
No one is obligated to cater to you. I know mommy probably told you you're special and the world revolves around you, but you don't get to unilaterally declare the terms of debate and expect everyone to conform to them

>>1708110
I have seen it all. I have seen the literal best they have to offer. I have been to the camps. I have researched population statistics from census reports. I have read and watched reams of testimonies and confessions. There is not much more I can do at this point.

>>1708115
ah, well we found common ground. I do not believe 6 million jews and millions others died in the camps. Isolated war crimes and disease killed many. Lack of supply killed many more.

well we are cool, goodnight.

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>>1707994

>>1708114
/pol/ doesn't claim Jews are inferior. They have higher IQ's on average then other groups of people.

>>1708110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANEYUQ22VSE

>in 1941 Reichsfurher Himmler told me to begin Final Solution
>he entrusted this task to me and the SS

t. fucking Rudolf Hoess

>>1708102
>their bodies
https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=940&q=holocaust+bodies&oq=holocaust+bodies&gs_l=img.3..0l4j0i30k1j0i8i30k1l5.1368.3325.0.3491.16.11.0.4.4.0.177.941.1j6.7.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..5.11.961.2-w18Hqq1_I

>>1708102
1) Embarrassingly for you, it's a common misperception that all Jews were killed in gas chambers. Many more were starved to death, worked to exhaustion, died of infectious diseases, died on death marches, or were shot in a ditch somewhere.

You'd know this if you read actual history books and not just /pol/ fodder.

2) There is plenty of evidence of the mechanisms of the Holocaust.

>>1708121
>he can't find any evidence that the holocaust happened
>not one single thing to post to the board

>>1708130
>hey Hubert let's photograph these guys but destroy them when we lose


Fucking Nazis have some serious type of autism

>>1708132
>You'd know this if you read actual history books and not just /pol/ fodder.
I do know that. But that is not what we're taught happened during the holocaust.
>government conspiracy
>gas chambers
>6 million
There is no evidence for any of this.

>There is plenty of evidence of the mechanisms of the Holocaust.
Let's see it then.

>>1708132

>it's a common misperception that all Jews were killed in gas chambers.

That's how it usually gets presented.

>>1708102
>any documents pertaining to the organisation of all this
https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/document.htm

>>1708130
wtf, some of these are on Pinterest, isn't that supposed to be a SFW site? You can't even have nipples on facebook, I'm surprised charred bodies are allowed though

>>1708103
you don't understand anarchism m8. it's a force of nature, not a political goal.

>>1708137
Thats how Poltards present it

Go find a source that says ALL JEWS DIED IN GAS CHAMBERS


We'll wait

>>1708122
You're not fooling anyone.

>>1708130
Hundreds of thousands of jews died from starvation and typhus. No one denies that. But that is NOT what we're taught the holocaust is and the difference is material.

Where is the evidence for the government conspiracy? For the gas chambers? For the 6 million? Why is there so much fraud and lies related to this part of the narrative?

>>1708138
Mate you've got to pick one for discussion because opening the page, that I have seen many times before, I can see from scanning that there are links to several that have been debunked, and I have no wish to trawl through it again.

>>1708145

That's how it was presented in high school. /pol/ has nothing to do with it.

Gas chambers have always been a central aspect of how the Holocaust narrative is presented.

>>1708146
AND YET THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE FOR THE HOLOCAUST POSTED YET.
>government conspiracy
>gas chambers
>6 million

>>1708155
>he uses high school as a way to learn history

That isn't what that's for.

They aren't there to teach you things, it's a certificate that says you can stand still and fill out paperwork without getting anyone pregnant or shooting a bunch of chads.

>>1708151
post your totally legit "debunks!!!" from totally legit """"Historians"""" then lol

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>>1708156
Are you familiar with the insulting German series?

>>1708160

So then we're forced to accept that the way the Holocaust is typically presented is wrong.

>Let's see it then.
open google in a new tab.

>>1708137
The blind leading the lame.

>>1708147
>Where is the evidence for the government conspiracy?
There are numerous documents showing this, here are only a few:
https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/document.htm

>For the gas chambers?
Some of them have been physically located. There are also testimonies from Germans and Jews, and German government documents, attesting to their use.

>Why is there so much fraud and lies related to this part of the narrative?
There isn't, really. No more than any other historical event. David Irving says 100,000 Germans were killed in the bombing of Dresden. The fact this is nonsense and in reality less than 25,000 were killed doesn't mean the bombing didn't happen. People exaggerate, it proves nothing.

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>>1708168
Yeah.

A lot of the killings were the work of Einsattsgruppen.

6 million is a pretty reasonable ballpark figure, but not all of the killings were in camps, and of the killings in camps, not all of them were in gas chambers.

Of course, Jews aren't the only victims. There were also many Poles, Gypsies, and mental patients killed as part of intentional mass murders.

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>>1708145
But there were no gas chambers. The curator of Auschwitz stated on film to a jewish interviewer that even the gas chamber at Auschwitz was a soviet reconstruction.

>Auschwitz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHzWo79dCHs

It's got a fucking chimney that isn't attached to anything ffs. This alone PROVES that the gas chamber at Auschwitz, one of THE most well-known pieces of the hoax, is a fraud that has deceived millions. And that the people that manage the site are KNOWINGLY participating in fraud.

>>1708168
Not as it's presented by professional historians

>>1708161
We need links to primary sources. We haven't been shown any pieces of evidence yet. Just links to garbage sites I have seen a million times before from the first page of google. By the way, do you know the ethnicity of the owners of google? But not one single piece showing
>government conspiracy
>gas chambers
>6 million
has been posted. 165 posts. Not one piece of evidence. Plenty of fraud and lies though.

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>>1708179
>>1708167
>>1708172
>aerial reconnaissance photos aren't evidence
>forensic examinations by qualified technicians aren't evidence
>letters from government officials aren't evidence
>Rudolf Hess writing several volumes of memoirs isn't evidence.

>>1708173
So wait, the curator of Auschwitz says the gas chamber is a reconstruction, not the original ie. he is being honest, and thus no fraud has been perpetrated. And you somehow take this as evidence that there were no gas chambers there. Your logic is fucked m8

>>1708170
NO. You take a screenshot and you show us.

>Some of them have been physically located. There are also testimonies from Germans and Jews, and German government documents, attesting to their use.
See >>1708173. Why should I believe it? We know the Germans were tortured and executed. We know it's illegal for them even now to deny it. Why should I believe any of that?

>it proves nothing
It discredits the entire narrative. Why would everyone have to """""exaggerate"""""" if it were real?

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>>1708189
>>1708167
>>1708172
>>1708183

>>1708179
>there is no evidence
>except for all this evidence, which doesn't because I say so
>checkmate, Holohoax!

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>>1708179
>>1708183

>The Nazis said that they were going to get rid of the Jews hundreds of times but after actually rounding up all the Jews they didn't actually kill any.

Wehraboos are pathetic. If the Holocaust didn't happen than that means that the Nazis were outrageous liars because it would mean they weren't doing what they swore they would do!

>>1708203
Hitler would be furious that people were spitting on his life's work.

You know that if the thousand year reich happened, the Holocaust would be in their textbooks as one of their greatest accomplishments.

>>1708189
>NO. You take a screenshot and you show us.
Lol no. Your laziness is not my responsibility. Stop whining you little bitch and read something for once. Or are you too stupid to process anything not in image format posted on a Kalmyk ping pong board?

>the Germans were tortured
Most of them were not.

>Why should I believe any of that?
Because the numerous testimonials independently corroborate one another, and align with the documentary and physical evidence

>It discredits the entire narrative. Why would everyone have to """""exaggerate"""""" if it were real?
Because humans are fallible? Not "everyone" is exaggerating, only a handful of cherrypicked examples are. By our logic, because David Irving exaggerates, the bombing of Dresden never happened, right?

>>1708183
>aerial reconnaissance photos aren't evidence
They don't show anything except that there were camps. We all know there were camps.

>forensic examinations by qualified technicians aren't evidence
All of the forensics are on the side of the deniers I'm afraid. They show death from typhus and starvation. None from gas.

>letters from government officials aren't evidence
Let's see them then.

>Rudolf Hess writing several volumes of memoirs isn't evidence
Hess didn't write any memoirs that I'm aware of. And certainly none that mention the holocaust.


>>1708196
That's not evidence for the holocaust. That's a feeble attempt to rationalise why evidence exists that contradicts and throws into doubt the narrative.

>>1708224
>They don't show anything except that there were camps. We all know there were camps

Except for the ones that show holes for Zyklon B to be poured into gas chambers, that corroborate the eyewitness evidence. Which I showed you.

>All of the forensics are on the side of the deniers I'm afraid

Except for the sources I linked in this thread.

>Let's see them then

ITT

>Hess didn't write any memoirs that I'm aware of
>that's not evidence for the holocaust

I see.

>>1708224

>They show death from typhus and starvation.

That's because a good portion of the prisoners were worked to death.

>None from gas.

Cause they were at the stage of burning bodies at that point.

>>1708223
>Your laziness is not my responsibility.
But I'm not lazy. I'm this guy. >>1708122

>Most of them were not.
The ones who confessed were the only ones who were spared torture and exectution... Suspicious. Have you ever read their "confessions" btw? I have. All the famous ones anyway. They're all bollocks and don't match what we're taught in history.

>Because the numerous testimonials independently corroborate one another, and align with the documentary and physical evidence
That's exactly the problem. They don't. But you would know that if you had actually read them.

>>1708237
>But I'm not lazy
Yes you are. You make bullshit claims otherwise, but actions speak louder than words, and you refusal to process information that contradicts your narrative testifies to your stupidity and indolence.

>>1708234
>Except for the ones that show holes for Zyklon B to be poured into gas chambers
Absolute bullshit. They don't show anything of the sort. Why the fuck were they using disinfectant to kill people anyway? Why not just use actual lethal gas.

>Except for the sources I linked in this thread.
Link them again. I've read every post but must have missed them.

>I see.
Link to Hess's memoirs please and any quotes from him about the holocaust.

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>>1708236
>That's because a good portion of the prisoners were worked to death.
No they didn't. There was a typhus epidemic and then the Germans started losing the war and the entire society collapsed. EVERYONE was starving, being raped, being bombed. Prisoners were at the back of the queue for rations I'm afraid. As unfortunate as that is, it's not a holocaust.

>Cause they were at the stage of burning bodies at that point.
How convenient... That's one of the most obvious parts of the story that refute the narrative. They didn't have enough ovens to do the job and there are lots of people caught lying about the process like pic related. And not anywhere near enough ashes have been found. Again, it should be literal mountains.

>>1708246
They don't show anything of the sort>>1708172

See, they circled them and everything.

>Why the fuck were they using disinfectant to kill people anyway? Why not just use actual lethal gas.

Because pesticides were commonly available due to agriculture?

It's not like they have gas masks or they can run away.

>Link them again >>1708167

>Link to Hess's memoirs please

Nigga, that shit ain't free. That's some primo shit.

Why are Holocaust deniers so damn self-important? Demanding that everyone produce exactly the type of evidence that they want, in the exact manner they want, at a moment's notice. Do they really believe that there opinions matter so much that random strangers on the Internet will feel obligated to cater to their every whim? Hitler would have gassed these manchildren as anti-social "workshy"

>>1708266
See, their goal is to find a discussion where nobody cares enough to argue, so they can spread their talking points without arguing.

It's like a burglar who goes around dressed in running doors and tries every doorknob in the neighborhood until they run into an unlocked one.

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>>1708239
>You make bullshit claims
I am not making any claims. I say hundreds of thousands of jews were put in camps just like the Americans put Japanese residents in camps, because Israel had declared war on Germany in 1933. Then there was a typhus epidemic. Then the Germans started losing the war, infrastructure got bombed, and people started starving. Hundreds of thousands of jews died.

But we have still not seen any hard evidence of government conspiracy, gas chambers or 6 million. Only evidence of discredited evidence, fraud and lies on that part.

Take the story of Anne Frank.
>Anne, sister, mother, father transported to Auschwitz in September 1944 at the height of the holocaust
>NO GASSINGS
>live for over a month together in Auschwitz
>NO GASSINGS
>Anne and sister both transported to Bergen Belsen
>NO GASSINGS
>both dead from typhus by March 1945
>NO GASSINGS
>mother dies from starvation in Auschwitz after a few months
>NO GASSINGS
>father survives to tell us about all this
>NO GASSINGS

They were sick, weak and worthless to the war effort. IN AUSCHWITZ. FOR MONTHS. None of them were killed intentionally. Why not?

That's your holocaust. Typhus and starvation. No government conspiracy. No gas chambers. No 6 million.

>>1708276
The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Stormfag had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

>>1708026
1. The Nazis did put Jews and other victims (including POWs) to work inside factories. You can read this in Albert Speer's memoirs "Inside the Third Reich". He was the minister for armaments production, and was associated with the extraction of PoWs/Jews/Political prisoners from camps to put them to work in factories. It was kept a 'secret' due to the prolific use of the Nazi political apparatus (ie. the SS)

2. The Nazis did use 'cheap' bullets to kill their victims. The use of Einstazgruppen in the East, as with the use of death marches (once the people could not be used for labour in the camps). Camp were favoured for the ability to congregate a mass of people, extract their possessions, and then put them to work.

3. Documentary evidence was used inside the trials, as with the accounts of people present inside the Wannsee conference, and also people inside the extermination apparatus

4. The death camps were acknowledged to be used inside annexed in the East. They were investigated by the Soviets because they in occupation of Poland at the end of the war. The account of the camps in the east is further supported by documentary evidence (see above)

5. The extermination of Polish and Soviet persons are well documented as well as part of their history. The Jewish experience in the holocaust is well documented in other western societies as a result of the general diaspora of jews inside these societies.

6. This falls upon the significant and progressive degradation of a targeted group - without reason (just because some communists were jewish does not necessitate extermination). It speaks to the issues of scapegoating and revaunchism in modern times, whereas the others do not

7. Nazism and the holocaust are linked forever. To deny the holocaust would allow the rehabilitation of the political idea of Nazism, and in those societies that ban it, it goes against both common history, and the necessity to learn from the past

kys my man

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>>1708167
I love this one. Especially the way it just present the evidence with a massive load of propaganda at the start.

Firstly, these scraps are the best documentary evidence there is for the planned murder of 6 million+ people, although there were far more within the reaches of the Reich. Really? That alone creates suspicion.

But let's give them a fair hearing.

>Josef Hell
Second hand testimony from a literally who. It is not from Hitler's own mouth. It says, though, that Hitler intended to annihilate the jews by hanging in Marienplatz, Munich (millions of jews? really?) as soon as he got power. But as we know he didn't do anything of the sort.

>Joseph Goebbels' diaries
Discovered printed on glass plates in Soviet archives in the late 80s. Enough said.

>Heinrich Himmler Posen speech
This is Heinrich Himmler's voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H26B01SbC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wWTlnvWy-A

This is not Heinrich Himmler's voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a_cmbi3iIg

>Eisatzgruppen report
We all know about the Einsatzgruppen. Jews were fighting as partisans and saboteurs, including thousands of jewish communists on the Eastern Front. Someone had to deal with them. It was a war.

Which leaves us with
>Letter sent to David Irving
So this is it? This is the evidence for the holocaust? Some jew sending a letter to David Irving third-hand reporting what Eichmann is second-hand reported to have said? Really? I wonder what else Eichmann had to say about the holocaust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqkhdZORjSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv63ELct5Dk

>>1708312
>1. The Nazis did put Jews and other victims (including POWs) to work inside factories. You can read this in Albert Speer's memoirs "Inside the Third Reich". He was the minister for armaments production, and was associated with the extraction of PoWs/Jews/Political prisoners from camps to put them to work in factories. It was kept a 'secret' due to the prolific use of the Nazi political apparatus (ie. the SS)
>2. The Nazis did use 'cheap' bullets to kill their victims. The use of Einstazgruppen in the East, as with the use of death marches (once the people could not be used for labour in the camps). Camp were favoured for the ability to congregate a mass of people, extract their possessions, and then put them to work.
No one denies any of this. But that's not what we're taught the holocaust is, the government conspiracy that murdered 6 million jews in gas chambers.

>4. The death camps were acknowledged to be used inside annexed in the East. They were investigated by the Soviets because they in occupation of Poland at the end of the war. The account of the camps in the east is further supported by documentary evidence (see above)
Such an amazing coincidence that ALL and ONLY death camps were found on the Soviet occupied territory. The Soviet authorities (in which jews were massively overrepresented) wouldn't lie, would they?

>5. The extermination of Polish and Soviet persons are well documented as well as part of their history. The Jewish experience in the holocaust is well documented in other western societies as a result of the general diaspora of jews inside these societies.
Let's see some of these documents then mate. Because so far all the documents in this thread are obviously lies. Unless you are willing to believe that death by masturbation machine and bears and eagles in cages are part of the holocaust.

>>1708347
>But that's not what we're taught the holocaust is

It's not our fault that your parents didn't love you enough to send you to a good school.

>>1708353
I'm privately educated at great expense and a Russell Group postgraduate. I say Russell Group, but I could also say that my university was number one rated for my subject by the Times. Try again.

The facts are the follows:

1. The Holocaust denial movement is, in an elemental sense, a conspiratorial one.

2. It is closely affiliated with White Nationalists and Neo-Nazis.

3. The primary goal of these groups is to rehabilitate National Socialism and Adolf Hitler in order to provide legitimacy to their movement.

4. Since they are conspiratorial, they will not listen to facts and evidence agreed upon by generations of scholars and historians, as with the accounts of people that witnessed extermination on one side (Families of victims) or the other (SS guards and members of the Nazi Administration). Every account that runs contrary to their view is part of a 'conspiracy', and is immediately thrown away as some sort of a 'Jewish Plot'.

These people cannot be reasoned with, and sole existence in life is to not look at facts and evidence, but instead ignore and evade evidence that does not serve their agenda.

These people need to go back to /pol/, this is not historical debate, this is historical shitposting

>>1708358
>chav detected

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>>1708312
>Documentary evidence was used inside the trials
Pic related. It would nevertheless be useful if we could see some of these documents.

>>1708358
Sure you were champ. Truly were are all in awe of your astounding intelligence

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>>1708312
>Documentary evidence was used inside the trials
Pic also related. A transcript from Nuremberg. Did you know that in fact it was the nazis who invented the nuclear bomb, not the Americans? And that they used it to kill tens of thousands of jews in some random village?

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>>1708312
>Wannsee conference
The jews themselves debunked Wannsee. Pic related. Assume something did happen at Wannsee. How do you know what it was? Are there any documents? Anything that can prove what happened there? I will save you some time. There is nothing, no evidence whatsoever about what happened at some random meeting at Wannsee.

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>>1708312
>This falls upon the significant and progressive degradation of a targeted group - without reason (just because some communists were jewish does not necessitate extermination). It speaks to the issues of scapegoating and revaunchism in modern times, whereas the others do not
The Germans wanted to remove the jews from Germany. At some point, Jews have been expelled en masse from every single European country they have inhabited. There is nothing exceptional or even intrinsically wrong with wanting to remove the jews from your country. Especially when world jewry has just declared war against you and jewish communists launched a literal civil war in your country and the jewish USSR is breathing down your continent's neck.

>>1708358
Looks like you should consider investing in some books, because your university education hasn't improved your capacity to analyse and assess your own position.

>>1708351
Your failing is that 'You were not taught'. You can read this for yourself. The '6 million died from gas chambers' is simply insulting a sentence used to extrapolate what was a systemic and multifaceted genocide against targeted populations.

You can read about the Holocaust in Ukraine and Poland in your own time. I am not your mediocre teacher who failed to teach you of the Einstatzgruppen or the slave labour. Look up some books, be independent for christs sake.

>>1708365
Article 19 was used to solve the dispute between allied forces as to what evidence would be adduced. The Nuremburg trials were an extra-ordinary attempt to unify countries in a war crimes tribunal.

They may not fit the evidentiary requirements of modern times, but mind you, acts of parliament and regulation of the laws of evidence is an ongoing practice, to this day.

Article 21 is a statement that allows the justices to place weight on the evidence as they see fit, according to how they assess it. Complete a law degree so you can figure this stuff out.

>>1708381
> MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands, of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz and I would like to ask you if you heard about it or knew about it. The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, and this is the experiment, as I am advised. A village, a small village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it approximately 20000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20000 people were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of them; that it developed, the explosive developed, temperatures of from 400 to 500 centigrade and destroyed them without leaving any trace at all.

Do you know about that experiment?

SPEER: No, and I consider it utterly improbable. If we had had such a weapon under preparation, I should have known about it. But we did not have such a weapon. It is clear that in chemical warfare attempts were made on both sides to carry out research on all the weapons one could think of, because one did not know which party would start chemical warfare first.

MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: The reports, then, of a new and secret weapon were exaggerated for the purpose of keeping the German people in the war?

Read the transcript, Speer himself (MINISTER FOR ARMAMENTS) said the weapon didnt exist. Here, Article 19 was used to put evidence forward, but it was debunked by witness examination. Bin yourself.

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>>1708411
>"da joos be puttin the white man down! we wuz egyptians and chinese and shit till da joos came and destroyed us with race mixing, media, and all dat shit. stay woke"

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>>1708363
The facts are as follows:

1. The holocaust, government conspiracy, gas chambers, 6 million is a conspiracy theory for which there is no evidence.

2. It is closely affiliated with zionist jews.

3. The primary goal of these groups is to demonise white nationalism and silence antisemitism.

4. Since they are conspiratorial, they will not listen to fact or show any evidence. Every time they are asked for evidence, they call the people innocently asking for it ebil nazis, and is immediately thrown away as some sort of 'Neonazi Plot'.

These people cannot be reasoned with, and sole existence in life is to not look present facts or evidence, but instead ignore and evade presenting facts or evidence because that does not serve their agenda.

These people need to go back to red dit, this is not historical debate, this is historical shitposting.

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>>1708431
>"dah nazis be puttin the joo man down! we wuz mastubation machines and bear eagle cages and shit till da nazis came and destroyed us with lampshades, soap, and all dat shit. stay kosher"

>>1708439
>anyone who calls me out on my bullshit is a JIDF shill!

So predictable

>>1708396
You can read Kempner's examination of Liebbrandt (from the Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Teritories) in 1947. He stated that the Wannsee conference (which he attended) was for the purpose of examining the final solution.

Its also in the diaries of Goebbels, specifically mentioned on 27 March 1942.

>>1708439
What makes the JIDF different from Stormfront?

>>1708426
They sure were talking about some spooky shit in that kangeroo court that didn't have any guidelines for the validity of evidence.

>>1708442
>for the purpose of examining the final solution
And what was the final solution, pray?

>diaries of Goebbels
>discovered on glass plates in Soviet archives in the late 80s
Ok.

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>meanwhile on History & Humanities

>>1708441
You just called me a nazi /pol/ack you dumb nigger. You get what you give.

>>1708453
I'm not from stormfront. And that's still not evidence for the holocaust mate.

>>1708411
>There is nothing exceptional or even intrinsically wrong with wanting to remove the jews from your country

There is nothing wrong with having your property seized, your family separated, placed in a slave labour camp or factory for the continuation of the war effort, and then ultimately killed for your faith.

>Especially when world jewry has just declared war against you and jewish communists launched a literal civil war in your country and the jewish USSR is breathing down your continent's neck.

Ah yes, those mythical jewish organisations that control the will of every living jew. Also, since there were white communists, we better get rid of all white people. SHIIEEEEEEE

>>1708450
>glass plates
I like how you say this like it's spooky and conspiratorial, even though microfilm was very common in the pre-Internet days.

>>1708459
It's not that my dear friend. It's that we can't test the paper or ink, or check the handwriting.

>>1708450
Final solution aka the mass extermination of the jewish population, through any means, predominantly through labour and extermination camps, but also through systemised progroms, hangings, and shootings in the occupied territories.

>because it was found in a soviet archive it cannot be true

>>1708459

That's another thing they do. They take something ordinary and then try to turn it sinister just by inserting the word "jew" in as many times as they can. The most obvious is when they quote Jews saying that they hate Hitler as proof that Jews were conspiring against Germany.

As if Jews had any reason to not hate Hitler.

>>1708458
>There is nothing wrong with having your property seized, your family separated, placed in a slave labour camp or factory for the continuation of the war effort
There was nothing wrong with it when the Americans did it to the Japanese.

>killed for your faith
Evidence or it didn't happen.

>mythical jewish organisations
See >>1707682 >>1707683
Observable realities aren't myths.

>since there were white communists, we better get rid of all white people
Noo... You don't get rid of white people from a white country. Have you tried not being SOOO jewish Mr Schlomo Shekelstein?

>>1708465
Except it was Goebbels himself who ordered they be put on microfilm, and portions of the originals survived (mainly those dealing with the war years and thus also the Holocaust) and have been used as the basis for publications in the West as early as 1948

>>1708467
>Final solution aka the mass extermination of the jewish population, through any means, predominantly through labour and extermination camps, but also through systemised progroms, hangings, and shootings in the occupied territories.
All you've got to do is post evidence mate and you win.

>>1708482

You listed about 20 or so Jewish communists. Okay. That means there at least 20 communist Jews. That does not mean that every other communist was Jewish.

Mao was undeniably communist. Was he Jewish?

>>1708486
Even the naughty bits where he stops writing like a human being to autistically rage about gassing the kikes so that future generations could know the truth about his evil intentions?

>>1708498
It seems so
>The Goebbels Diaries, 1942–1943 was translated, edited, and introduced by Louis P. Lochner. First published by Doubleday in 1948. It was reprinted by Greenwood Press in 1970 (ISBN 0-837-13815-9)
>Final Entries 1945: The Diaries of Joseph Goebbels was edited, introduced, and annotated by Hugh Trevor-Roper. First published by Putnam in 1978 (ISBN 0-399-12116-1).
>The Goebbels Diaries, 1939–1941, edited and translated by Fred Taylor. First published in London by Hamish Hamilton in 1982 (ISBN 0-241-10893-4). The first American edition was published by Putnam in 1983 (ISBN 0-399-12763-1).

All this before the microfilm was discovered in 1992.

Looks like you've been caught in a lie. And since according to your logic this is enough to discredit an entire theory despite all other evidence, Holocaust denial is disproven QED

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>>1708495
Mate. Marx was a jew. Almost the entire leadership of European and American communism was jewish. They started wars and revolutions that killed millions of white Christians. They continued killing millions of white Christians in gulags even after they'd won. Not all jews were communists. But all jews were jews and the Germans wanted them out of Germany. They voted for it. And besides, world jewry declared war on Germany in 1933. So the Germans put the jews in camps just like the Americans put the Japanese in camps. It's not controversial. It's not a holocaust.

>>1708517
>Boycott German goods after virulently anti-semitic regime takes power
>"""Declaration of War"""

>>1708517

>And besides, world jewry declared war on Germany in 1933.

The Nazis were very open about their feelings towards Jews, so it isn't really a surprise at all the Jews from other countries would boycott their products.

>>1708517
>Almost the entire leadership of European and American communism was jewish

Except the actual leaders, Lenin and Stalin. (inb4 you say Lenin was Jewish because he had one Jewish grandparent even though by the Nazis own standards that wouldn't qualify him as a Jew)

>And besides, world jewry declared war on Germany in 1933
>boycotts = war
>sensationalist newspaper headlines are reality
wew lad

>>1708511
And what do the diaries have to say about the holocaust? Do they explain why there's no evidence for it?

>>1708529
It was actually a direct response to a German boycott of Jewish goods

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>>1708532
>Except the actual leaders
That's how those sneaky sneaky jews operate my friend. Remember Blair? Remember how he was Bush's poodle? Well he wasn't just Bush's poodle.

>British MP Charges ‘Jewish Cabal’ Is Guiding Tony Blair
http://www.haaretz.com/british-mp-charges-jewish-cabal-is-guiding-tony-blair-1.11028

>Fury as Dalyell attacks Blair's 'Jewish cabal'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1429114/Fury-as-Dalyell-attacks-Blairs-Jewish-cabal.html

>In 1995, a new blind trust, known as the Labour Leader Office Fund, was set up by Mr Blair's friend Michael (now Lord) (((Levy))). It has been estimated that £2.5 million was raised. This allowed Mr Blair to run the biggest Opposition office in history.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1370777/Who-else-bankrolled-Tony-Blair-while-he-was-in-Opposition.html

>Labour 'sent out search parties for immigrants', Lord (((Mandelson))) admits
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10055613/Labour-sent-out-search-parties-for-immigrants-Lord-Mandelson-admits.html

>The programme's producer Martin (((Rosenbaum))) said: "What we show is there is an English backlash but also self-doubt about England's identity. Home Secretary Jack (((Straw))) is worried that nationalism will manifest itself in violence and wants a positive English identity created which will beat off the unpleasant side."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/596703.stm

>Tony Blair says there is no place for 'poison' of antisemitism in Labour Party as row continues
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-labour-antisemitism-row-naz-shah-jeremy-corbyn-no-place-for-poison-a7012671.html

>Labour Friends of Israel in the House
http://www.spinwatch.org/index.php/issues/lobbying/item/181-labour-friends-of-israel-in-the-house

>>1708533
>Do they explain why there's no evidence for it?
Except for all that evidence that you refuse to accept because reasons

>>1708543
kek, I bet you actually think this helps your case haha

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>>1708523
>>1708529
They didn't just boycott goods you silly naive boys. They spent the next 6 years agitating the American and British governments to declare actual war. And paying the right people of course.

>The group of high-profile opponents of the Nazis whose meetings Churchill attended in the 1930s was usually just called Focus.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-32141190

>In addition to money supplied by the Czech government, Churchill was financed during the "wilderness years" between 1930 and 1939 by a slush fund emanating from a secret pressure group known as the Focus. The Focus was financed by a slush fund set up by some of London's wealthiest businessmen -- principally, businessmen organized by the Board of Jewish Deputies in England, whose chairman was a man called Sir Bernard Waley Cohen. Further details of Churchill's financing by the Czechs, as well as the facts of Churchill's financial rescue by a wealthy banker of Austro-Jewish origins, Sir Henry Strakosch, who emerged out of the woodwork of the City of London, that great pure international financial institution. When Churchill was bankrupted overnight in the American stock market crash of 1937-1938, it was Strakosch who was instrumental in setting up the central banks of South Africa and India, who bought up all Churchill's debts. When Strakosch died in 1943, the details of his will, published in the London Times, included a bequest of £20,000 to the then Prime Minister, eliminating the entire debt.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p498_okeefe.html

>>1708256
>They didn't have enough ovens to do the job and there are lots of people caught lying about the process like pic related. And not anywhere near enough ashes have been found.
>Again, it should be literal mountains.
Are you completely retarded?

>>1708559
No. I just want to see evidence before I believe a conspiracy theory.

>>1708557

>They spent the next 6 years agitating the American and British governments to declare actual war. And paying the right people of course.

Britain didn't declare war until after Germany invade Poland, and the US didn't declare war until after Germany declared war on the US. Try again.

>>1708545
There is not one piece of evidence in quality or anywhere close to a sufficient amount of evidence that would've been left behind by such a massive industrial operation in quantity in this thread that confirms the holocaust narrative.

>>1708557
I see nothing wrong with this

tfw you come to the realization that the holocaust ACTUALLY didn't happen

man that day was crazy, literally blew my fucking mind

I read through this thread and see all the exact same posts I used to be making eg "Historians DON'T even discuss Holocaust denial because it's laughable and only makes sense in retards heads, ala you"

"mountains of evidence"

"most well documented historical event ever"

"holocaust denial is antisemitic, you're a racist nazi jew hater white supremacist etc"

Someone show me any irrefutable evidence or even concrete evidence that anyone was gassed at treblinka? A handful of eyewitness accounts? A couple german documents showing some numbers?

Where'd all the ash go? Where are the mass graves? How did they burn literally 750 thousand bodies into literal dust? Using nothing but railway tracks and some wood? why did they use a submarie engine transported from the fucking ocean to kill jews using the most innefecient method (diesel CO poisoning) of extermination. They could of at least used all the fucking wood gas stoves which littered the countryside..

The whole treblinka story is absurd. A fake train station. A single babred wire fence interspersed with dead trees. 750k jews walked to their death peacefully (or whipped by 'ivan the terrible') in a shower block that actually pumped out carbon monnoxide that wasn't even necessary due to how many fucking people would have to be in each fake shower room to account for the death toll. Also they all had their hair cut for some reason? Not a single sondercammando warned their fellow jews of the certain death awaiting them? When the train doors opened not a single one of the 750 thousand jews just fucking bolted into the countryside you know with the 0-1 babred wire fence (interspersed with wood like a fucking ladder) that stood in the way to freedom. It would have been absolute chaos.

No excavation has ever taken place (I don't count the debunked Smithsonian one)
place is paved over

>>1708572
According to you, but anybody credible

pathetic

>>1708577
Churchill got paid by warmongering jews to agitate the British government into starting a world war over an issue that had nothing to do with the British people. If you don't see anything wrong with that, then you have no sense of right or wrong.

>>1708582
>these conversion stories
Always the same shit, always so totally unbelievable

>>1708587
Every human has a moral obligation to kill as many German scum as possible

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>>1707989
I looked into a more primitive version of that picture a few years ago now. Pretty sure that first door wasn't in that version, but the second and third were. You know what? There were completely benign, innocent explanations for both.

I can't remember the story for the second one, but I vividly remember the story for the third one. That is from the gas chamber they use for the tours apparently, and there are two doors, the outer door that leads into the building, and the inner door that leads into the gas chamber.

What you're looking at is the inner door that leads into the gas chamber, and true enough, it should be some giant steel contraption but it's not. The reason for that was simple, that was the first chamber built, and when they built the second and third, that one was repurposed as an office, then eventually used as a bomb shelter. The big heavy steel door and the flimsy wooden door were switched around and are still like that today, as you can see in >pic related.

>that's also why there was a toilet installed, which is apparently another huge point of contention with Naziboos
>because Jew poop would be an obvious sign of globalist conspiracies

>>1708587
And yet the UK continually appeased Nazi Germany until there was no other option, and it was Germany not Britain that started the war

>>1708587
Churchill wasn't even the PM when the war started you dunce

>>1708587

Britain did not declare war until after Germany invaded Poland. Try again.

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>>1708583
It's the evidence that is not credible. And it's not just me. /pol/ is one of the biggest boards on this site now. It's traffic has been at the very least double /a/ over the last year. And no one who comes there and looks at the evidence presented in this thread objectively (and it's always the same evidence from both sides) leaves /pol/ thinking the holocaust happened. /pol/ is know for being holocaust denying. That's why I've been told to go back there several times in this thread.

At the end of the day, what you and I believe is irrelevant. Only what most people believe. /pol/ is one of the most famous boards on 4chan, literally got presidential candidates giving entire speeches about us and nazi frogs on primetime ABC news. 4chan is in the top 250 websites on earth, with well over 100 million hits every single month. And this is only the beginning. AND we are known for holocaust denial and convince others successfully year after year that the holocaust didn't happen. There's nothing you can really do about that. /pol/ is always right.

>>1708600
>Churchill wasn't even the PM when the war started you dunce
Churchill was the leader of the pro-war faction in Parliament you dunce

>>1708594
>it was Germany not Britain that started the war
No it wasn't. Britain declared war on Germany on 3 September 1939. Do we have to remind every newfag who comes on /his/ of basic historical dates?

>>1707899
>Anecdotes from literal who authors don't disprove the holocaust


>Mountains of evidence of *first hand testimony* from those afflicted, those who perpetrated and those who witness, confirm beyond any reasonable doubt the occurring of the holocaust

So basically only those anecdotes which affirm your preselected conclusion (the holocaust happened/official narrative) counts?

Almost all gas chamber evidence is based on 'literal who authors'. Quite literally treblinka evidence of gas chambers comes down to 10 or so 'literal who authors'. 750k deaths. All based on some (admittedly flawed, even by modern historians) personal anecdotes.

Everyone always talks about these mountains of evidence, the 'most well documented fucking event in history', the millions of people who personally experienced the holocaust, all the documents bla bla

and then never point to any of it.

Where is the evidence? I'll tell you, the evidence comes down to flawed eyewitness testimony, soviet propoganda, confessions obtained under torture, and liberal interpretation of german documents to fit the narrative (i.e. the germans never explicitly talked about gassing jews there were just all these secret code words or insuiations and we know this because the holocaust obviously happened don't question it

literally there are no german documents which explicitly talk about gassing jews (or electrocuting them, or jacking them off to death, or steaming them, or poisoning them or etc etc etc) it took years after ww2 before the gassing or zyzklon b narrative actually came into fruition. it used to be electricity or steam.

supposedly 750k jews were homocidally gassed in fake showers in a fake train station. and the evidence for this does not include
>any plans, foundations, or any concrete proof the chambers even existed
>any mass graves, or huge volume of ashes
>anythign at all really, other than some eyewitness testimony which are plainly absurd (eg, 'ivan the terrible')

>>1708608
#2 board on a top 250 website isn't that impressive. Most people believe the Holocaust happened. Try denying it in public and see what reaction you get.

The fact that /pol/tards are this delusion is really quite hilarious. Like how the presidential candidate that they endlessly jerk over has Jewish daughter and praises Israel endlessly. But you're totally leading a neo-Nazi revolution dude, sure.

>>1708614
Okay? Irrelevant. He was totally isolated form the circles in power until the war started

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>>1708618
>Ah yes, literal mountains of ash.
Same person as >>1708591

I also did a rough calculation back, and the amount of ash is actually really really tiny. Can't remember exactly, but it was something like half a dozen pallets-worth.

Turns out people really are mostly water!

>>1708619
Who issued the formal declaration is meaningless, anyone who knows anything about history knows that. Do we have remind every newfag who comes on /his/ of basic historical realities?

>open thread thinking i was going to learn something about the average German's view on the War
>get Holomemes instead
You people just don't quit do you?

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>>1708635
Germany didn't take any actions against Britain or British national interests. They made numerous completely fair peace plans, even offers of alliance. Yet Britain declared war on Germany anyway, putting millions of lives at risk over a minor territorial dispute in eastern Europe. That is the historical reality.

By the way, the USSR was under the control of an ideology that openly called for world domination, had by that point been spending the 1930s waging aggressive, completely unjustified wars of expansion against Finland, the Baltics, Japan and the eastern Europe satellites, and then invaded and occupied half of Poland. And yet they became our allies. And nothing was done when they occupied Poland for the next 45 years. There were no Russians there. Russians had never lived there.

All Germany did was move tanks onto land that had been German for thousands of years and replaced the Polish government, which is what normally happens when you win a war against someone.

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Better question: Who the fuck cares, OP? Jews are worthless subhuman parasites who leech and plunder every country they get their grimy hands on. They are plunging the US into an economic disaster with their non-stop Zionist war-mongering. Of course, the Shabbos goyim who help them achieve their schemes are arguably even more deserving of death. Hitler didn't order da holluhkoist, but if he did, that just makes him an even bigger badass.

>>1708669
You're not going to get good discussion on German history sharing a website with /pol/

>>1708669
I can help you with that. The holocaust didn't happen so it was highly improbable that the average German soldier would randomly conceive of what would later become a conspiracy theory.

>>1708687
/pol/ actually improves the quality of this board, and has better memes.

>>1708161
http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf

analyses all the primary evidence for the treblinka official account

the whole ''''''historian''''' thing is bullshit. you can't be a professional university tier historian if you deny the official narrative.

so if you only take university professor historians to be legitimate sources in the holocaust then the only conclusion you could reach is the official narrative is true

just judge the content of the work and not what people have said about the author.

>>1708682
>that pic
holy fuck hitler was sexy in a bad boy sort of way

and yes im a femanon

>>1708628
>Like how the presidential candidate that they endlessly jerk over has Jewish daughter and praises Israel endlessly. But you're totally leading a neo-Nazi revolution dude, sure.
We're not neonazis. We don't hate all jews. We don't want to kill any jews (neither did Hitler). We don't even necessarily want them out the country, certainly not all anyway. All we want is for our historical understanding to be based on reality supported by evidence. And to gas the kikes race war now.

>>1708678
>Germany didn't take any actions against Britain or British national interests
One power dominating the continent, which was Germany's aim, was fundamentally against Britain's interests.
>hey made numerous completely fair peace plans, even offers of alliance
"""fair"""
>All Germany did was move tanks onto land that had been German for thousands of years
But had a Polish ethnic majority. Apparently occupying land not populated by your people is bad for 45 years, but okay for "thousands" (actually closer to 150 in some cases)

>>1708708
>We don't hate all jews
Speak for yourself

>>1708709
>One power dominating the continent, which was Germany's aim, was fundamentally against Britain's interests.
and losing the empire was? top fucking kek m8 i hope youre not british

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>>1708709
>One power dominating the continent, which was Germany's aim, was fundamentally against Britain's interests.
No it wasn't. And it doesn't make starting a world war the right thing to do. Should we declare war on Germany since brexit because they dominate the EU?

>But had a Polish ethnic majority.
No they did not. Danzig was 97% German, 2% Polish in 1939. In 1933 they voted with an overall majority for the NSDAP. Why was that city in the middle of Poland? Poland didn't even fucking exist before 1919. Incidentally Hitler's final peace plan included keeping Danzig as a free city. But the kikes wanted their war so...

>>1708708
>We don't even necessarily want them out the country
fucking cuck

>>1708721
They lost the Empire thanks to the wasteful war Hitler started.

The white race has had no greater enemy than Adolf Hitler

>>1708727
Britain declared war on Germany. Britain started the war. Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>1708730

Hitler invaded Poland.

>>1708727
>thanks to the wasteful war Britain and France started
Also, the biggest enemy to the white race is America.

>>1708732
To expand his glorious empire, stop being a crybaby cuck. Europa would be much better off in a united imperium.

>>1708724
>And it doesn't make starting a world war the right thing to do
Except Hitler started the war, not the UK. The UK and France told him if he invaded Poland, they would declare war. He did so anyway, because he wanted war. The responsibility is all on Germany.

>Why was that city in the middle of Poland?
Danzig anywhere near the middle of Poland, and bordered Germany. And Hitler also demanded the "Polish corridor" which was majority Polish.

>>1708724
>Danzig
Heh. Pretty sure he's talking about Poland, and didn't even mention Danzig. Nice dodge there, scrub.

>>1708740
>m-muh innocent poles!!
top kek m8, youre embarrassing urself harddd

>UK and France: invade Poland, and we'll declare war
>Germany: invades Poland
>UK and France: declare war
>Germany: WHAT THE FUCK, HOW COULD I HAVE ANTICIPATED THIS?

>>1708735

>Europa would be much better off in a united imperium.

That's probably true. So why did Hitler have to divide the entire continent by invading Poland? He could have just exterminated all the Jews in Germany quietly with no war.

>>1708744
No one said the Poles were innocent, cuck

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>>1708732
Poland is not Britain.

It didn't even exist before 1919. (inb4 Poland-Lithuania.) Hitler wanted the German speaking lands back under the Reich. The German speaking people in those lands wanted back under the Reich. Their ancestors had been living there for thousands of years and now suddenly they're ruled by slavs? Literally the homeland of Bismarck ruled by slavs? Slavs didn't even fucking exist on earth till 500AD. They voted for Anschluss. They voted Ja in the Czech plebiscite. They voted NSDAP in Danzig. None of that was the British government's fucking business.

>>1708746
Poland is rightful German clay, that's why. Also, to prevent the spread of gommunism.

>>1708740
>The UK and France told him
How about they mind their own fucking business instead of starting world wars at the bidding of jews.

>>1708750
Conveniently ignoring March 1939, when Hitler invaded and occupied the rest of Czechoslovakia, which was non-German. Or that he demanded majority Polish areas. Or that he ended up taking a bunch of land that had never belonged to Germany at any point in history.

>>1708742
Hitler didn't occupy most of Poland, only the German speaking lands. Danzig was just an example. Stalin did though. He took over half of fucking Poland, no russians there no russians ever there, and no one batted an eye.

>>1708755
Why didn't Hitler mind his own business, and leave his neighbors alone?

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>>1708750

>>1708588
>Always the same shit, always so totally unbelievable

Why? I come from new zealand, the only jew I've ever known was some kid in primary school. I'm part maori and therefore not a white supremacist.

Do you really think there is some stormfront conspiracy to pretend to have independently done their own holocaust research and come to the conclusion that the official narrative is wrong in order to trick unsuspecting people into joining us in proclaiming it's a hoax?

I've never met anyone in my entire life who denies the holocaust.

>holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf

read these series of books, at least to get an undersyanding of where the people calling hoax are coming from. if the official account is so true you should have no trouble exposing yourself to the ideas presented, right?

what do I even care actually. I don't even know why I post in these threads. Nobody changes their minds in these 4chan threads.

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>>1708762
>only the German speaking lands
Nope. Polish corridor was majority Polish, with the exception of a few scattered villages.

>>1708750
>It didn't even exist before 1919.
>(inb4 Poland-Lithuania.)
Are you in the habit of proving yourself wrong?

>>1708762
Pretty much all the areas where Germans lived, they were the minority, and they had migrated there a hundred or so years earlier. I should know, my family was part of that.

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>>1708771
For some reason the image came out really small, here's a better one

>>1708745
>Hitler declares consistently since the early 20s that he will reverse Versailles
>in fact it's basically his main policy
>UK and France decide they like Versailles and the jews want to declare war
>Germany is about to complete what it said it would do 20 years before
>quickly make defence pact with Poland to make it look like Germany started the war and agitate them to resist Germany even though they offered perfectly acceptable peace terms
>Germany moves into Poland
>Britain and France: WHAT THE FUCK, NOW I HAVE TO DECLARE WAR, I DON'T BELIEVE IT, HANDS ARE TIED, SORRY, ONLY OPTION

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>>1708766
>I'm part maori and therefore not a white supremacist.
>

>"if you only take university professor historians to be legitimate sources in the holocaust then the only conclusion you could reach is the official narrative is true"
this^

>>1708771
WE
WUZ
HOLOCAUSTED
Fucking poles never stop crying about muh WWII

>>1708763
Why was Poland occupying hundreds of thousands of square miles of Prussia when there were no Poles living there and had never been living there?

>>1708781
WOOF WOOF WOOF MIGHTY MONGREL MOB RUFF URRF WOOF

these guys scare me irl desu

>>1708746

>Jews being treated poorly in any sense of the word and remaining quiet

Jesus you should hear them after dropping a penny in a storm drain, there's no way you could exterminate these kikes quietly

>>1708780
>perfectly acceptable peace terms
Ha, involving cession of a bunch of Polish land. Not to mention just a few months earlier in March 1939 Germany had invaded Czechoslovakia even after they had complied with German demands and ceded the Sudetenland in 1938.

>>1708771
Hitler offered to leave the Polish corridor in Poland and Danzig a free city. Then the war happened so he took it anyway. And so would you. Fuck the Poles. Niggers destroyed Western civilisation with their fucking boner for ethnically cleansing Prussia. And they're still fucking cancering all over everyone's lands by immigrating everywhere.

>>1708788
they weren't

>>1708795
Poland didn't even exist till 1919. They were German lands. The people living there were German. They wanted to be under German rule. It's like if the EU gave the north of England to the Norwegians because of the Danelaw. We wouldn't stand for it. We'd fucking take them back, with tanks if necessary.

>>1708798
>Then the war happened
Which he started.

So not only is Hitler a filthy gibsmedats, he's also an Indian-giver who says he'll leave something alone, then invades anyway.

>>1708801
They were. See maps. >>1708724 >>1708750

>>1708798
That's a lie. He demanded the Polish corridor as well, because he wanted to sabotage negotiations and ensure war
>On 29 August, prompted by the British, Germany issued one last diplomatic offer, with Fall Weiss yet to be rescheduled. That evening, the German government responded in a communication that it aimed not only for the restoration of Danzig but also the Polish Corridor (which had not previously been part of Hitler’s demands) in addition to the safeguarding of the German minority in Poland