What is stopping human kind from achieving world peace?

If you don't show up to a war and the other guy does, that other guy ends up in charge of you.

In case you haven't noticed, it's not the touchy feely Western powers starting all of this shit, despite what apologists would have you believe.

>>1703436
humans

Edit: Thanks for gold :)

>>1703436
The Eternal Kraut
The Eternal Anglo
The Eternal Jew
The Islamic faith (while other faiths exist)
Africans generally being niggers

Actually really simple. The people in power do not wish there to be world peace. Because there's advantages to be gained by not being peaceful.

>>1703436
Humanitarianism

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Capitalism

>>1703436
what country does the pig represent. israel?

>>1703436
at this point mostly Islam.

Military Industrial Complex

The welfare system.

We can't have a free movement of people because it would rob the working classes in the developed world of a sustainable welfare system, thus the global economy can never be truly integrated which would improve economic growth everywhere reducing tensions and encourage closed societies to open up.

>>1703451

Not including The Eternal Baguette in that fucking list

>>1703474
m'comrade

>>1703436
human motivations are necessarily zero sum.

if we could further domesticate humans it would go a long way towards fixing this. but domesticating the self wthout domesticating other humans just leads to sweden rape gangs.

>>1703474
Looks like how Russia operates

>>1703450
Humans are to blame.

End of story.

/thread

>>1703436

What exactly is this picture meant to imply?

China benefits greatly from global trade, as did Russia before they got sanctioned for their alleged actions in Crimea.

> blue
> white
> blue
What country is this?

>>1703582
Vatniks and their manyamiroque.

>>1703569
retard post. obviously humans are to blame. OP is asking what specific mechanism of human nature cause it.

do you think you're wise, or something?

you remind me of an old friend that used to thnk he could look wise by shaking his head knowingly and sighing

>>1703594

Argentina, Honduras or Guatemala.

No idea why it has Latvia attached to it though, the whole picture seems like gopnik butthurt.

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The Jews

if you want to know who to blame for most if not all modern wars then look no further then the Hook-Nosed Kikes

>>1703594
Israel

>>1703436
The semantic delusion that there is one race, and not many.

>>1703611
it's probably Israel holding canada and the artist doesn't know how to draw flags.

>>1703436
Sin

>>1703627
>Hitler a good goy he dindu nuffin he just tryin to get more reichsmarks for volksgeheimshaft the jooooos used mind control rays to force him to invade Poland and the Soviet Union
will /his/ ever be free of dumb stormniggers?

>>1703480
Yes, and the rat is Palestine.

>>1703436
proly the concept in itself, as it is so idealistic it is unreal and impossible to achieve

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>>1703436

Human nature.

The only way to obtain peace is to be enslaved by robots.

>>1703436
fiat fractional reserve banking from what i can understand

>>1703436

the concept of I

the concept of Us/Them

the concepts of subjectivity/objectivity

>>1703436
Tribalism. As long as one group of people considers another group of people to be "the other", there will be conflict.

Honestly I think the only way there will be world peace is if humanity colonizes other planets or discovers a space-faring alien race. Then people will develop an "Earth" identity and consider themselves a global tribe. Then colonists/aliens will become "the other".

>>1703999
/thread

Democracy is a rotting corpse, in which the masses are ruled by an oligarchy of the undesirable.

>>1703999
dumb

tribalism exists because of individual biological incentives. tribalism is the direct result of zero sum outcomes.

as soon as a equilibrium is reached in any given distribution, tribalism disappears. our current political system is ideologically committed to maintaining disequilibrium because supposedly democracy works best when people have to fight.

oh, gee, you mean conflict and tribalism arises when the system of governance revolves around fighting for votes?

you people get your ethical systems from 90's PSAs

>>1704012
a rotting corpse of YOUR IGNORANCE

>>1703436
There is more than one of us.

>>1703474
so, basically socialism?

>>1704012
>implying representative """"""democracy"""""" is democracy at all
Take your filthy republic and fuck Alexander Hamilton's skeleton with it

The history of humanity has always been filled with violence and death at the hands of a fellow human being.

Why would that ever change?

>>1703451
Pretty shitty an reductive post you got there.

>>1704017
Are you arguing that party politics is the sole cause of conflict? Or are you talking about wealth inequality? Either way, or in any case, you're woefully incorrect.

>oh, gee, you mean conflict and tribalism arises when the system of governance revolves around fighting for votes?

Are you saying there's a one-world democracy that I didn't know about? The hell are you talking about? You know there are nations outside of your own, right?

>>1704063
Class struggle

>>1704017
This.

People think that it happens suddenly and out of nowhere with no history or reasoning or have a "we never done that before" mentality in regards to conflict between different groups.

>>1704063
I'm saying that democracy causes internal and external divisions on a scale worse than nationalism does.

democracy ENCOURAGES tribalism because it's a good way to harvest votes.

tribalism is not the cause. political systems that profit from tribalism are the cause. ther are many existing political systems that squash tribalism just fine, and they are not party to internal or external violent actions.

case in point, middle eastern democracies are as violent on a per capita basis as african countries. dictatorships tend to be as nonviolent and stable as eastern europe.

political structure matters.

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>>1703436
Million Dollar Extreme

>>1704068

>class struggle

Why is Marxist theory literally devoid of any complexity or nuance?

It's literally a theory for the lazy and uninformed.

It's disgustingly reductionist and simple. You should be ashamed.

>>1704073

Prisoner's dillemma would fit what you are saying pretty well.

>>1704078
t. someone who struggled in history class

>>1704073
>dictatorships tend to be as nonviolent and stable as eastern europe.

Stable is kinda iffy and violence isn't as overt but heavy quashing of descent is still there.

>>1704073

>democracy and nationalism are mutually exclusive

You know nationalism isn't a governance type, yes?

Most nationalist states have also been democratic.

>>1704086

>le everything is because someone has more money!

It sounds like you barely paid attention.

>>1704081
Yes, that's another way of phrasing it. My initial post was on zero-sum incentive structures. Prisoner's dillemma is a specific gamification/structure to the larger idea.

"human nature" surely exists, but invoking its name when we have SPECIFIC understanding of how it works in this process is just invoking some voodoo. and the people saying it should kindly fuck out of the thread.

we have very specific understandings of war dynamics. we shouldn't still be invoking magical/religious nonsense.

>>1704088
I never said that. I said nationalism and democracy have political incentive structures that incentivize war, you dolt.

>>1704090
But that's true.

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>>1704098

Are you gonna tell me next that there's a political structure that doesn't?

>>1704087
the keyword there is AS stable

I never said the middle east was a good place, I never said it ever would be.

but we see that democracy heavily incentivizes tribalism, and leads to violence. that's a fucking fact.

"human nature" exists, but using it in a vague manner to invoke warfare as some sort of unknowable spooky evil force that we're helpless against is stupid as fuck

we know what causes war and we can only clear up misunderstandings by talking about it in concrete terms.

invoking "human nature" is like saying god causes babies to be born. it's fucking stupid, and lazy, and no one with an iq higher than 105 would even think of saying it.

>>1704101

There's literally no point arguing with a walking, talking vessel for some fool's ideology like yourself.

>>1703436
>What is stopping human kind from achieving world peace?
Finite (good) land
Differences
Ego

>>1704102
there are structures that incentivize it less. trade based regimes do this through micro-level incentives that lead to prosperity as a release valve for tension, and the ability to resolve disputes on terms acceptable to individuals without dictatorial imposition. dictatorships do this through inter-state equilibriums.

democracy does neither. instead it regulates the micro-level, and leaves anarchy at the inter-state level.

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>>1704068
>>1704073

Read pic related. Your theories do not hold up to scrutiny. If you were correct, the western world would be getting more violent (both internally and externally) because of the rise of democracy and capitalism, but the opposite is true.

It goes beyond simple capitalism vs socialism, it's because of the expanding circle of empathy. Mass communication, the rise of technology, valuing diplomacy, trade, etc. It's nonsensical to try to simplify it to a "class struggle" or "democracy is bad/violent", not only because it doesn't make any sense, but also because it ignores cultural innovations.

>>1703436
World peace is unattainable and arguably undesirable.
That said, a lot of strife in the modern age stems from the Jew.

>>1704116
you're addressing two different posters.

immediately after the outbreak of nationalism you have the napoleanic wars, then ww1, after the relative peace of westphalia. not nly were westphalian wars limitd in scale, they were less common, because at the time armies were still privatized, and war was conducted for private profit. the gloves came off because nationalism allowed generals to defray the cost of warfare to the people as a whole.

the next round came after democratization. now, internal enemies were equally a threat as external ones, because they could vote. this is why hitler wanted to kill jews.

democracy is a disaster, and the theory holds up quite well.

europe was gloating about how great and advancd their democracies were, and now the continent in its entirely is on the brink of civil war, and they're imprisoning political speech becuase it threatens stability. did you hear that? democracy threatens stability, that's straight from their own mouths.

whether democracy is good or bad, or worth the costs is a separate issue that I don't take a stance on. but there's literally no debate that it's less stable or less violent.

just fucking look at singapore, hong kong, or japan. perfectly fucking stable dictatorships.

>>1703436
I like how they make Germany's spirit animal a dead German soldier. Like what the fuck does that tell you about the state of German culture that their best representative is a dead German soldier.

>>1704056

Still a democracy. The people will always vote to their own self-interest rather than the stat. The individual is flawed, the state is perfect as a machine.

>>1704129

>Europe was one of the most violent continents on Earth until 1946
>constant states of war with very few years of peace

sorry, Adolf.

>>1703451
>Implying Krauts weren't just trying to do what the French, Swedes, Austrians, Turks, and Spanish had already tried.

>>1704116

If we were moving to a cessation of violence, why are more regions of the world dangerous?

We literally have Muslim fascists crusading around the middle east to form a caliphate (okay, it mostly failed but that was because they exterminated a few too many undesirables without solidfying)

America intervened in Syria to force a conflict but backed down before dropping the hammer because Russia was already supporting the conflict's resolution. So instead of a swift end to the violence, the country has had to limp on and on.

>>1704146
The world was much violent back then though.

>>1704153

More people died in Chicago last month than due to Mussolinis rise to power.

>>1704154
mussolini was evil because he didn't believe in the same holy book modern democrats do, which I guess would be something written by howard zinn, or maybe a black lives matter tweet.

>>1704127
I know you're two different posters, but you both have the same nonsensical idea that "if we just had or got rid of [insert system here] then everything would be just grand". It's not that simple.

Also, you're underestimating just how violent the world was pre-20th century.

>europe was gloating about how great and advancd their democracies were, and now the continent in its entirely is on the brink of civil war

You're out of your goddamn mind.

Nothing of what you're saying is based on anything in reality. Just look at any hard data on violent crime in any liberal democracy. The trend is pretty much always downwards. And war between liberal democracies has been non-existent for decades.

Again, it goes beyond simple political ideology, it's because of advances in technology and global culture.

>>1704146
Media bias. It's just your perception. We're living in the most peaceful time in history.

>>1704153
Exactly, but people have rose-tinted glasses of history. We only have a small window into the past and a very selective view of the present.

>>1704154

How the fuck is Mussolini's rise to power comparable to the murder rates of city?

>>1704154
What the fucked does that have to do with what I said?!

>>1704159
every major genocide since the 1900s has been carried out by a democacy AT THE POINT OF ITS CONVERSION.

weimar germany transitions from a bureaucrat state to a democracy under the nazi party: 6 million dead jews

turkey transitions from ottoman rule into a modern democracy: jews, armenians, and turks get killed by the millions

indonesia transitions from a dictatorship to a democracy, the leader loses a solid control of the parliament, and needs to kill millions of chinese in order to shore up support for his party.

african dictatorships transition from colonies to democracies, majority constituencies then go and kill minorities by the millions so that their votes can't threaten their contrl of an area.

and so on, and so forth. the EU is falling apart. you're an idiot.

>>1704185
Most of those democracies were in name only though.

>>1704185

>Nazi Germany was a democracy

>>1704185

>Armenian Genocide 1915-197
>Republic of Turkey formed in the 1920
>Genocide of the Herero (24,000 people exterminated by the German EMPIRE between 1904-1907)
>democracy under the Nazi Party
>Nazi Germany is a one party state
>Indonesian genocides carried out under the command of two dictators Sukarno and Suharto

Why do you lie on the internet? Or are you just ignorant?

>>1704194
which is exactly what communists say about communism

let's look at what democratizatin accomplished
1. it split up the control over parliament
2. having less secure control over parliament, a ruling party needs to GAIN control
3. how do they do it? they GAIN control by KILLING competition
4. who is the competition? ethnic minorities

they did exactly what democracy proposes to do: split up the vote and control of parliament. so they ARE true democracies. unless of course, you define democracy the way a communist does, which is :a perfect utopia where everything goes according to teh way I want it to go.

democracies only work, and only in a limited fashion, in countries where there are relatively few ethnic minoirites to kill, such as modern europe.

that's just the truth, unless you want to constantly move goal posts about what a democracy "should" be rather than the effective icentives it establishes for political actors.

>>1703436
Everyone likes to pretend they have the biggest dick around and then everything goes to shit

>>1704185
Let's just forget historical context, clearly big bad democracy is to blame. Let's also forget every non-democratic genocide because that's just inconvenient.

>transitions from a bureaucrat state to a democracy under the nazi party

???

>african dictatorships transition from colonies to democracies

Anocracies. Calling yourself a democracy does not make it so, you need measures in place to safeguard liberty. Otherwise it's just ceremonial.

>the EU is falling apart

Are you really saying that because a bunch of moronic Britbongs were fooled into voting for a referendum (that may or not lead to a real action in the future), Europe will suddenly collapse into civil (kek) war?

You realize that, even in the event that the UK really does leave the EU, they'll still have to trade with the rest of Europe, right? You realize that a glorified change in policy is not enough to cause a war in Europe, right?

Again, you're out of your goddamn mind. Please re-evaluate every piece of media you consume, it is poisoning you. Honestly I feel like I'm just enabling you at this point.

>>1704206
And dictatorships are 10x worse.

>>1704203
you're an idiot. democracy doesn't suddenly spring into existence the day the constitution is ratified. democracy is also a system of ideals that put demands and constraints onto rulers that threatens their power.

In fact, this is the FUCKING BASELINE OF AMERICAN THOUGHT. THAT THE VERY EXISTENCE OF THE DEMOCRATIC IDEAL THREATENS DICTATORIAL POWER.

the rise of democratic agitation threatened third world dictatorial power. they were losing control, and transitionng to democracy was inevitable. they lost power LONG before the transition happened. the killings happen so as to secure power after the formal mechanisms change.

you people seriously are 17 or are incapable of thinking abstractly.

>>1704217

>doesn't suddenly spring into existence

The French would like to have a word with you.

>>1704217
>thinking abstractly

That's your entire goddamn problem, you're so focused on trying to reinforce your beliefs that you don't bother to look at the actual historical data.

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>>1704127
>japan
>dictatorship

>>1704165

Someone claimed that the past was more violent than present day. I countered by saying a dictators rise to power that stretched over two decades killed less people than chicago did last month.

>>1704172

Read above. It's the perspective. This world is a deadly place, even in a modern country that you cucks seem to think is safe. This world is a shit hole that can only be redeemed by casting aside the norm.

>>1704158

Mussolini's state of being is not a part of this discussion. But that the fascist state can be created and dissidents suppressed with killing less people over its course of life than chicago's body count last month. We believe one is evil, while we turn a blind eye to the evil in our midst.

>>1704221

Americans were a historical mistake that imperiled the natural progression of society in europe by putting it on a train with no brakes.

>>1704227
>while we turn a blind eye to the evil in our midst.

No not really. People are involved in trying to fix Chicago's murder issue within and outside the communities affected.

Also Mussolini led his people to a war and committed atrocities during that time so to put it in a bigger perspective that puts Chicago's murders into a much smaller frame of reference.

>>1704227

>rise to power that stretched over two decades

Firstly, Mussolini's "rise to power" didn't last "two decades" it was his March On Rome and his consolidation of power in his first few months of Prime Minister.

Secondly I'm fairly certain the deaths at the hands of the Italians in the Second Italo-Ethiopian War kill quite a lot of people. 775,000 according to Wikipedia; not to mention WWII.

So if you want to say it's more violent now than then, you'd be empirically wrong.

Thirdly, how does a city's murder rate prove anything compared to an unrelatable historical event. That's incredibly idiotic.

>>1704230

>natural progression

Christ. People don't actually believe this is a thing, right?

>>1704222
You people think so rigidly that you look at the data and think "oh, heh, the democratic revolution took place 3 years AFTER the genocide therefore they're completely unconnected. heh, checkmate atheists."

you people are fucking retards with no framework for your thought beyond simple datapoints and no theory beyond "democracy gud, everything else is not an option"

>>1704221
even france didn't spring out of nowhere. it was a gradual buildup, a soft approach towards genocidal rhetoric, an accomodation of people with murderous desires.

the second democracy in modern history started and ended with a genocide. that's pretty fucking solid proof, imo

>>1704242
Just assume he's RPing some whig historian or memeing

>>1704226
japan IS a dictatorship, you idiot. they don't have
1. freedom of speech
2. financial freedom
3. racial equality
I could go on and on.

>>1704227
>mussolini
I was making a sardonic point about the fact that people decry things as evil if they have a different political view, rather than the concrete impact of an administration

>>1704235
to the mussolini poster above, this guy is the perfect example.

he believes intent, or his theological/ideological interpretation of what individuals intend, is more important than actual results

someone on his side could fail 1k times over,but it would be okay because "the people in chicago MEAN well."

>>1704244

It was a buildup that literally occurred within a few months, even weeks of the storming of the Bastille. In fact it was so rushed that there was so much turmoil immediately after.

And if you're trying to argue that somehow monarchs provide less death and more stability, I'm going to submit the entire history of warfare in pre-modern Europe (one of the most violent and bloody continents) as "pretty fucking solid proof".

I don't deny democracies have perpetrated awful crimes against humanity. But which political structure doesn't? The answer is none. Because it's not about the political structure. It's about human interests, fears, power and greed. Nothing more, nothing less.

The try and say "one is better than the other because of x" is to also say "I have very little understanding of history".

>>1704235
>>1704238

I would have to get out a map to begin to list all the countries in the world that are failed states due to U.S intervention and continued encroachment on their political sphere.

I can say for a certainty, that over a million have died in Central America in the broader context of the Banana Wars by American corporations backed by the military and state force.

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>>1704247
god I hope you're just pretending.

>>1704247

>1. freedom of speech
They do.
>2. Financial Freedom
They do.
>3. Racial Equality
I didn't know pre-1972 Australia was a dictatorship lmao

You're extremely narrow definition of dictatorship is absolutely fucking awful/

>>1704258

I don't think you're getting this. We're not trying to defend that "democracies r de best! They've never done nothing wrong!!". We're literally trying to prove to you that you're defense of autocracy is fucking stupid.

>>1703436
Diversity

>>1704264

I'm not trying to defend anything, I am just pointing out that the world is in a more dangerous place now at the hands of democracies, especially the eternal anglos than it has ever been at any other point and time in history. People are so completely out of touch with reality in a rat-race to the top that they are ignoring the world's slide. Will people even act suprised/try to even stop the redeemer should they appear?

>>1704252
the buildup took decades. authors such as carlyle note that the literature calling for killing the noble classes started emerging out of geneva almost as soon as calvin became established.

the seeds of the french revolution were only rushed if you consider the american view, that we set off a cascade in europe. I'm not saying it's not a factor, but anti-monarchial pressures had been building up in parliaments across the entire continent.

a brief overview of english law will show that the king had lost any ACTUAL legal power long before the revolution in france, by as much as 50 or 60 years earlier. so the question is not whether or when it woudl happen in france, but what form it was going to take.

they could have had a glorious revolution, like in britain, but the democratic literature pouring out of geneva into france was overwhelming. it culminated in a raw bloodlust.

they killed all the nobles, they killed the majority of the priests and nuns, and raped their bodies before dumping them in the water.

democracy precipitated ALL of the most bloody events in european history. this isn't even a fucking contestable question.

pre-modern europe was easily the MOST stable lace in the world outside of china/japan. it was the age of nationalism/democracy that finally cracked the egg.

you take a balanced approach, which is respectable. I'm not saying any other SINGLE system is always better. but I'm saying that technocratic dictatorship works out marvelously in east asia, and that autocracy makes LESS bad outcomes in fucked up areas like the middle east. this is uncntestable.

what we need to look at are the incentive structures that disincentivize warfare. democracy isn't one of them.

market solutions offer stable local equilibriums and dictatorships offer ore stable international equilibriums. democracy offers neither, and is not capable of doing so. neither will every dictatorship offer it. but democracy is INCAPABLE of even addressing it

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>>1704269

>the world is a more dangerious place
>eternal angols
>world's slide

Firstly fuck off with your embarrassing buzzwords.

Secondly, the world has become a much less violent places. There are less suicides now, less deaths from war and murder rates (even in the US) are dropping in a typical trend.

Face it, you're wrong.

>>1704270
The autocratic states in the ME were pretty horribly run, a powder keg and stagnant as fuck.

>>1704274

>Battle-deaths
>between two people who mutually agreed to do battle with each other

Fantastic memes friend. You sure showed me. Those two-hundred thousand "disappeared" peasants and the mass-graves sure don't matter.

>>1704270

>technocratic dictatorships worked marvelously in East Asia

And we're toppled in countries which had land mass larger than HK and Singapore (i.e Taiwan, South Korea). I will always defend that Japan is a democracy despite some rallying from the uneducated.

>>1704279

Compared to the civilian deaths of WWII or even the Thirty Years War or even Mao's Wild Ride, your supposed 200,000 figure is a laughable figure.

>>1704264
you're ignoring any actual points we're raising. democracy has less control over the sorts of policies it is capable of enacting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swKsughT3vM

this used to be COMMON knowledge 20 years ago

now you people have a dogmatic approach that democracy is unconditionally more capable of making good decisions than other systems

the fact of the matter is that voting pressure makes it IMPOSSIBLE to make good decisions in the international sphere

>>1704289

and this is the problem that the world is beset with and will be what will end us all.

The population is too high.

What we need is about 10 million humans on the planet.
And then the rest of the planet is used appropriately to provide resources for them.

7 billion is far too many

>>1704290

>now you people have a dogmatic approach that democracy is unconditionally more capable of making good decisions than other systems

I completely agree. I simply think it's a fool's position to think it's any worse than dictatorships which are unstable and terribly inefficient.

no system is perfect. However, Democracy has allowed us to live in relative peace in the first world for the past 60 years.

>>1704278
it's impossible to run the ME efficiently. every single one that has trned into a democracy has genocided christians. we keep adding to the list. first turkey, then lebanon, hten egypt, now syria too. I can't wait until iran becomes a democracy, gee willikers

>>1704283
ah, okay. I'm glad you know so much about a continent where you don't speak any of the languages. I'm even more glad you presume to tell them what's good for them, because clearly you know better than they.

that's "democracy" for you. one person telling another what's good for him.

>>1704295
no. technology and a far away malthusian limit allowed us to live in peace. technology is stagnating and we're running out of resources. now some of the ost advanced states in the world are bickering precisely because democratic leaders benefit from conflict.

a combination of capitalism and pure breathing room gave us everythin we have. central states have given us almost nothing.

>>1704300

I actually think you have you problems with reading comprehension. Not once did I say they "should" be any type of government. Not once.

I am simply stating empirical fact of what is happening.

>that's "democracy" for you. one person telling another what's good for him.

You'd find that's the model autocracy is based off.

You have an enormous chip on your shoulder, friend.

>>1704303

>i-i-i-it's not democracy! It's capitalism! better move the goal posts!

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>>1703474
>fuck he's on to us abort abort
ssshhhh anon you musn't say such things

>>1704300
Iran is heavily educated though and concretely stable and Iran has a syncretic political system combines elements of a modern Islamic theocracy with democracy so even if they ditch the theocratic parts they have experience with the democratic part.

>>1704306
if democracy produced technology, I think we'd have a very different looking world.

private companies produce technology you fucking idiot marxist

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>>1704294
this.
imagine a world where each family has thousands of hectares for disposal. Or a world 1000 years ago, for that matter
with modern technological advancements life would be even easier and peaceful

>>1704541
Good luck finding workers. You'll all end up substinance farmers and/or resorting to slavery.

>>1704599
oh no, not everyone wants to live like a stock animal in a cage, indentures to landowners.

how fucking awful

people who want to live like beasts of burden always have the optin of living in cities

>>1704603

10 million is fucking tiny as fuck.
You can't sustain a world of 10 million having the same QoL as we do now..

>>1704610
debateable.

the majority of our labor is done by machines. extra labor beyond that simply provides excess production for consumer goods, and to a (small) extent, provides more heads for science.

so yes, if you consider quality of life to be in terms of PPP in your current situation, yes. but in terms of hours worked, or any remotely sane configuration, not really

>>1703436
>G20
>an organization that Russia and China are part of too
Top kek. 1/10, would not discuss geopolitics again.

>>1703480
>>1703653
>faggot artist with the responsibility for not re-hashing old antijewish libels

So I'd say that the greatest threat to world peace and liberty are Russia and China. Jihadism is but a sideshow compared to them.

At least the muslims are disagreeing on jihadism. But there is hardly any opposition in Russia and China that can pull it's own weight. No, the states are totally dicking around n the Baltic and South China Seas like there was no tomorrow.

>>1704664
right. china, a people who are orderly and high iq, is a much greater threat than people who systematically behead people in the streets of once prosperous nations, who have killed millions in syria alone, kill thousands every year in terrorist attacks in 1st world nations. and the chinese are somehow also more dangerous than the only developed country that has started a single war in the last 30 years, but ALSO has started 12 wars in the last 30 years, and also outspends all other countries combined military budgets worldwide.

yeah, the chinese are SO much more dangerous.

would you PLEASE kill yourself?

>>1704688
You know there are other ways to be dangerous like constantly stealing US blueprints and copyrights, expanding into South China Sea, and interfering with other countries' affairs...

>>1704696
america literally starts more wars in the last 2 decades than all other countries combined, worldwide, and china is the aggressor for declaring a pond its defensive perimeter?

you're a fucking idiot

america is aggressive for spending trillions more than all the other countries combined on military.

china is just stealing from us because if they don't we'd be able to fucking glass them.

but if we hold a gun to their head, THEY are the aggressive ones for saying "hey, maybe not," right?

ITT: 25 year rule

>>1704708
>pointing out that China's aggression is portrayed in other way is claiming they are worse than USA
>Not knowing about the "mixed war" China has on USA
5 cent party plz

Greed and hubris.

>>1704715
>spends trillions of dollars and surrounds countries with nuclear missile platforms
>hey guys, it's not intimidation, we're really nice
>outright invades the wrong country, who didn't attack us, on lies, fucking twice
>we're so nice
>china steals some tech to defend themselves with
>hey, that's not fair
kek, whatever you say, fellow sharter

there's a reason so many of us are voting for trump. we love this fucking country but we're sick and tired of this war machine.

>>1704727
unironically these

>>1704215
>it's okay to kill people, because we call ourselves democratic
>oh and you know those dictatorships where there were no mass killings like post-1953 USSR? They're worse, because they're not killing in the name of democracy

>>1704731
>implying trump wouldnt just sell putin america to make a few billions of dollars

>>1704731
Again you are assuming I think China is worse than USA. learn2greentext faggot

>stealing some tech to defend themselves with
AHAHAHAHAHA try
>stealing trillions of dollars worth of copyright from commercial products like medicine that bankrupts some american companies
>literally written in their economic policies

>voting for trump to turn down this war machine
kek

>>1703512
>>1704140
>t. anglo
>t. german

Always blaming the French

>>1703970
>the concept of Us/Them
Mostly this. People are decent when they think in terms of me and you, things go to shit only when us and them starts getting involved.

>>1704775
us/them is a decent system for delineating fault and property unless you'd like to give me all of your money because you don't want to treat me as "an other"

>>1703436
Scarcity of resources, nothing more.

will to power

>>1703642
Dark red so probably Latvia.
Remember Russians do, among other things, think Baltics are Nazis.

>>1703436
Limited Resources.
Seriously. If we had infinite resources, there would be no conflict.

>>1704731
trump would get manipulated by everyone around him. He's a narcissist with no actual policies, he only wants to become president for the title not for the responsibilities. The chinese and Russians would cuck the shit out of him

>>1704745
>a few billion dollars
that's a good price

>>1703436
>What is stopping human kind from achieving world peace?

Human nature.

>>1703436
What does the pig on that pic represent?

>>1705347
da joos

>>1704865
Not even. A country might invade another if they are in a famine. Money is not just greed, money can save millions of your citizens lives.

>>1704764
>HURRR HE POINTED OUT THAT THE FRENCH AND GERMANS WERE TWO OF MANY EMPIRES TO TRY TO UNITE THE CONTINENT, BETTER GO INTO DAMAGE CONTROL MODE
Disgusting

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Ambitions

>>1703474
Is that the tower of Babylon?

>>1703436
Life.

>>1704074
Test tube gubgub snail man.

>>1704105
Oh yeah?

>>1703436
The most simple form of interest conflict is enough to cause war.

>>1703561
yeah Russia is capitalist

>>1704688
>a people who are orderly and high iq,


Lol delusion.

>>1703645
>will /his/ ever be free of dumb stormniggers?
Probably not sadly, Hiroshima's too retarded to get janitors for our board

>>1704093
>invoking its name when we have SPECIFIC understanding of how it works in this process is just invoking some voodoo.

That's how most of /his/ operates. Sometimes it's just genetics that's the magic word, others, it's a "I said so"/"just so" isms.

from the sticky

> When discussing history, please reference credible source material, and provide as much supporting information as possible in your posts.

No one does this because research and citations are too much effort and most of 4chan is about low effort and quick posting so that gets abandoned with that I mentioned earlier.

>>1707760
/leftypol/ seems to be a much bigger prioblem for /his/ at the moment desu

>>1708775
>>1708775
we don't want /pol/ here because we don't want their cancerous board culture to infect /his/. it's not their beliefs it is there fucking childish way of going about things. I agree with /pol/ on a lot but it's near /b/ levels of faggotry.

>>1708808
>open /his/ catalog
>50% of threads fall under either German hate or communism
just seems to me that political shit should be kept off the designated history board. If we want to have a /leftypol/ board, we should just make one. Either that or they can share with /pol/.

Nationalism

>muh nation
>muh borders
>muh ethnics
>muh glorious history

since everyone thinks there people are special snowflakes they will cause conflict with the other one claiming THEIR people are special snowflakes

>>1708896
but by letting go of your nationalism, you're dooming yourself to be weak and easily conquered

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>>1708909
Nice meme. Name at least one country that was conquered because of the so called lack of the nationalism. Nationalism literally destroyed 1000 years empires like Austria Hungary, Russian and Ottomans. ((Thousand Years)) Reich ended being occupied by four countries in like 5 years and than divided for 40 years. All I see is how nationalism is cancers that weakens powerful states or given the opportunity, destroys weakened.

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>>1703436
Life and History would be meaningless without conflicts. Your utopian world would be in eternal decay.

Your ideal is the standardization of the human race from the cradle to the grave. It wants all babies to be born exactly the same length so that the cradles can be standardized and all children persuaded to like the same toys. It wants all men to don the very same uniform, to read the same book, to have the same tastes in films, and to desire the same so-called labor-saving devices.

>>1708896
>nationalism=ethnicity
Nice meme.

>>1708942
Austria to Germany

>>1703436

women and sex

>>1704012
>Democracy is a rotting corpse
ITT eu posters

>>1703436
World peace is kind of silly as a concept. Even if you stop nations from fighting, you would still have violence, gangs, etc.. The reality is that even if we could find a way to stop nations from fighting and warring, they would still fight via proxies. Humans will always see opportunities to use violence and dehumanisation to ascertain wealth, every war and conflict in history was fought for wealth or resources. And not even socialism can stop greed.

>>1704615
Who's going to design and build the machines in your tiny paradise world?

>>1704688
Terrorists kill thousands in first world nations every year?

>>1704775
me/you works well for property too though, I don't want to give you everything you're not me) but I don't want you to starve (you're not an other).

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Conflict,death and suffering has never been a bad thing overall. Unless viewed from the perspective of the loser ofc.

Only the meek wish for peace

>>1708896
>since everyone thinks there people are special snowflakes they will cause conflict with the other one claiming THEIR people are special snowflakes

Yeah, this is in-group/out-group preference. There really isn't anything you can do about it. People will find a reason to think their group is better than yours no matter what. You get that even if it were possible to get people to somehow not care about

>muh nation
>muh borders
>muh ethnics
>muh glorious history

They would find another way to differentiate themselves, right?

>>1708942
Native Americans off the top of my head.

Also, I would argue that nationalism is a prerequisite for creating a powerful state to begin with, so I wouldn't say that the inevitable conflict between nations is good enough evidence to throw out the entire concept.

>>1709623

>state sanctioned rule of law and collective moral prescriptivism have saved your life countless times
>you can only post dumbfuck quotes thanks to the things outside of the frothing dawkins meme sphere
>you would start hysterically crying if you had to live in Bulgaria for a month

>>1709656
>Native Americans off the top of my head.

They did but they got overpowered.