Operation Unthinkable

Easily, they stop giving the Soviets Spam and trucks
:^)

>>1694459
Soviets get to the English Channel and try to sue for peace. Allies have no choice but to comply if they don't use nukes.

>>1694615
Thats exactly what Germany did, they also had a vastly superior air force to the USSR. Plus even if they did manage to get to the English Channel their soldiers would of just not only been fighting a relentless war against Germany for 3 years but would also have to be able to have the organisation and willpower to push the Allies back.

The Soviets would be fucked without the supplies from the Brits and Americans.

>"hey guys now that the Soviets are at max industrial capacity and have battle hardened troops and competent officer corps, let's try to invade them what's the worst that can happen?"
what were they thinking?

>>1694640
Why do you think it was called operation unthinkable?

Drop the A-Bomb Moscow or the largest concentrations of Soviet troops.

People are overestimating the power of the Soviets and not even taking into account they're very very very far from Russia.

>>1694654
Exactly, in order to maintain an attack so quickly and keep momentum to push the Aliies back with their hardened troops without bleeding them dry huge supply lines would have to be made. Which would take a lot of organisation so after Stalins purges this would probably be very difficult.

The Soviets would be extremely difficult to dislodge but were also very close to collapse.

I predict war ends in stalemate.

However there were many communist movements across Europe just waiting to rev the revolution.

Most of these would be crushed but it would make the allies have a difficult time.

It also seems likely Korea and Taiwan go Red.

>>1694639
They would be fucked if they had never received those supplies in the first place.

For unthinkable that would hardly play a role.

>>1694459
Allied troop strength by the time of German surrender was around 4 million in Western Europe compared to the Soviets 9 million in occupied Europe, numbers don't mean everything but fighting an army 2/1 is a daunting task.

Next is supply, which was overwhelmingly in the Soviets favor. Any allied reinforcements and supplies had to be shipped across the Atlantic and across the English Channel before reaching the front, whereas the Soviets has an uninterrupted land connection between their industrial heartlands and the front, being able to transport goods faster.

The western allies knew that going ahead with operation unthinkable would do little more than kill another 20 million men on to of the already 60 million dead, and they weren't willing to take a risk that immense and possibly even lose Western Germany, Italy, and France to communism under a Soviet advance. It simply wasn't worth it considering the grand prize for winning would be Poland, Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria, objectively inferior war prizes compared to what the allies already got.

But July 1945 wasn't the time or place, the overwhelming bulk of US firepower was in the Pacific readying for an invasion of Japan, so the western allies would have had to make do with the forces they already had, as reinforcements were more and more committed to Asia.

>>1694687
But surely the massive amount of land between the soviet industrial heartland to the front line would not only take a long time to set up if they were to launch a large enough counter attack? Especially dealing with the war torn areas of Europe.

>>1694687
>Allied troop strength by the time of German surrender was around 4 million in Western Europe compared to the Soviets 9 million in occupied Europe, numbers don't mean everything but fighting an army 2/1 is a daunting task.
What was the ratio in 1941 between Germany and the USSR?

>>1694713
At the start of Operation Barbossa the invading German forces had
3.8 million personnel
3,350 tanks
2,770 aircraft
7,200 artillery pieces

While Russia had
2.6–2.9 million personnel
11,000 tanks
7,133–9,100 military aircraft

>>1694713
However as the war went on Germany had
1941
3,767,000 troops
1943
3,933,000 troops
1945
1,960,000 troops

While Russia had
1941
2,680,000 troops
1943
6,724,000 troops
1945
6,410,000 troops

>>1694459
The allies in my opinion would be able to do it only in theory. With regards to firepower and industrial base they certainly had the edge. But in practice democracies like USA/UK couldn't withstand the amount of human casualties they would need to get them there. Nor would there be public opinion to wage an aggressive war.

What paper could play Germany in this? You guys talking about land army and productivity from the soviets but germans could help protoNATO with that, aint?

>>1694735
>The allies in my opinion would be able to do it only in theory. With regards to firepower and industrial base they certainly had the edge. But in practice democracies like USA/UK couldn't withstand the amount of human casualties they would need to get them there. Nor would there be public opinion to wage an aggressive war.
Ex German Soldiers and Generals could be conscripted to the Allies to push the Russians back bolstering the manpower by quite a lot and being able to utilize the tactics that worked so well for the Germans during the actual war.

>>1694735
Oh and I forgot to add that any productivity from German factories would be practically nul, farmland could be used on the west side for food but factories and towns were destroyed by allied bombing.

>>1694735
Germany couldn't play much part, as almost all of Nazi Germany's industrial capacity has been destroyed and the Wehrmacht torn to pieces.

Operation unthinkable did call on rearming the Wehrmacht under allied control, but that could only net about 2-300,000 soldiers, as most able-bodied men were already either killed or wounded, and Germany was completely out of oil and material to fuel what few tanks they had still running.

it's also worth mentioning that by 1945, a large number of Wehrmacht soldiers were outright afraid of the Russians. After seeing the soviets march across half of Europe, killing everything in its path, it would be a tough sell to order the germans to march right back into the fray.

>>1694687

>Next is supply, which was overwhelmingly in the Soviets favor. Any allied reinforcements and supplies had to be shipped across the Atlantic and across the English Channel before reaching the front, whereas the Soviets has an uninterrupted land connection between their industrial heartlands and the front, being able to transport goods faster.

That doesn't actually follow, you know. Go look at the supply problems the Western Allies ran into during the latter part of 1944, when they're advancing to the Rhine. It's not getting the stuff over the water that's the problem, it's getting it overland, especially since the Americans liked to blow up all the railroads from the air.

It takes about a week with the ships then available to get from the East coast of the U.S. to the French coast, and there's plenty of harborage come 1945. The sea isn't really a barrier, or even a speed bump.


>>1694735

Almost nothing. Germany was crushed. At best, they could provide a few hundred thousand boys and old men to die. It would really be America vs the USSR, and everyone else is secondary.

>>1694756
At the end of WW2 the Allied count of Axis prisoners was at 1.5 million, so counting those on the western front they didn't capture, the thousands of troops in Italy, it would considerably raise the Allied forces more than just 2-300,000.

>>1694459
Risking France, West Germany and Italy for a few eastern european communist shitholes wouldn't have been worth it.

>>1694770


Not him, but you're making an awfully big assumption that these guys would be willing to fight on behalf of their occupying overlords.

>>1694785
Only it would either be fighting for the U.S to help push out Russia who was known for torturing and just generally treating POWs like shit or be caught up in the fighting as not a soldier, likely starving and having no job, I know which one i'd rather choose.

>>1694785
It's not implausible. These are, after all, soldiers that have spent 10+ years being taught that Bolsheviks are the root of all evil.

>>1694833

And that the west are Jewified mongrels come to Muh Dik German women. And who have blown up huge chunks of your country for years with their strategic bombing.

>>1694780
>a few eastern european communist shitholes
>communist

>>1694682

This. All those communist parties and groups that didnt lift a finger against the Nazis until Barbarossa, then converted into resistance cells and partisan bands overnight? They're still out there,and now they're deep behind Allied lines.

>>1694846

What he said. They'd have to be some pretty smooth talkers to convince the people you'd just bombed and fought into dust in order to make it as difficult as possible for them to fight the Soviets, that they should now follow you as you go off and start fighting the Soviets.

>>1694682
>However there were many communist movements across Europe just waiting to rev the revolution.

Yup,

Greece will soon begin a civil war that the commies lost mostly cause the USSR didnt bother supplying or supporting them at all.

Italy also very nearly voted in a communist government.

France was a very strong hot bed for leftist movements and lets not forget that the socialists won the election in the UK after the war ended.

A continuation of the war would also call into question imperial colonization around the world MUCH MUCH sooner.

>>1694459
Mate the operation was doomed. The soviet intelligence had made the dossier with all the operation information arrive at Stalin's desk later.

>>1694459
>Hard Mode: No Nukes

fucking tutorial mode, there were no nukes in 1945. They did however have a couple of low yield atomic devices which they will use on Japan.

>>1694756
>After seeing the soviets march across half of Europe, killing everything in its path,
lol
/b/-tier historians right here

>>1694640
>Soviets in 1945
>Maximum industrial capacity
Lol чтo

>>1695504

If war breaks out with the USSR some time in say, April-July, they're going to be using the a-bombs in Europe, not on Japan. Japan isn't going anywhere.

>>1694722
Nah Russia had over 30000 tanks mostly outdate shit

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>>1694459
The Soviets lost millions of men and machinery by the end of the war.
They were reliant on American lend-lease to keep going against the Germans.

The Western Allies were far better equipped and had superior manpower.
Along with that, there were thousands of German veterans who would be more than happy to liberate Eastern Germany from Commie hands and finish the job started in '41.

>>1695446
This. I also even suspect that were the Allies rearming the Wehrmacht that huge amounts of units would try and switch sides to the Soviets. Imagine, you're now a pretty important commodity as a geographically aware German speaking soldier, where most if not all of the fighting will occur. While the Soviets are brutal chances are in this scenario they would rearm their POWs atleast some of them, plus at worse you could only get captured by the allies who would just make you a POW again, where as the Soviets would probably just kill you

>>1694687
>had to be shipped across the Atlantic

safe passage, Soviets can't into navy

>uninterrupted land connection

lol roads and railroads are good targets for strategic bombing

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>>1694640
>what were they thinking?

Don't worry. With the surrender of the Axis countries, we can add their industrial might and vast reserves of able-bodied men to our war effort.

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>>1694459
if allies fought it wouldve been vietnam. fighting to get gommy to repay on renegged debt? btfo
t republic

>>1696053
>bomberhit
satisfying/10

>>1694459
However they do it, the whole humanity would collapse, I guess. There is no way the world could sustain another world war. I guess, the good thing is that the most fit people would gather together and form a new humanity.

>>1694459
>July 1945
Oh good, now Japan is NEVER going to fucking surrender.

>>1694459
No, the homefront wouldn't have held anywhere. Militarily they could have done it but only at a horrendous cost for both sides that would leave everybody too weak for decades, also the backbone of the strategy was to rearm Germany for fuck's sake.

>>1694631
>they also had a vastly superior air force to the USSR
Short answer - no.

Long answer - no.

>>1694735
It would be decent for short-term reinforcements but terrible political wise.

In countries like Poland or Yugoslavia, Germans were still seen as something evil, Hungarians felt legit screwed by them after failed flip-flop and Romanians were actually screwed, which is why flip-flopping was so easy there.

Now imagine the Allies coming to "liberate" them by allying with the very same people who were just occupying them like a year or two ago. Bad idea.

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>>1694780
FUCK YOU

>>1695903
> liberate Eastern Germany

You mean conquer lawful territories of People's Republic of Poland and German Democratic Republic

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>>1696956
>lawful

>>1696972
Territory acquired from defensive war. Lawful as fuck, my freemason friend.

>>1697009
kys, commie

>Operation Unthinkable and Operation Downfall happened simultaneously somewhere in an alternative universe

>>1696861
Australia, New Zealand, South/central-Ameriva, large parts of Asia

All that would be untouched

My absolute biggest trigger is faggots on this board saying Russia or Russians when they mean Soviet Union and Soviets

>>1697093
t. commie borat

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>My absolute biggest trigger is faggots on this board saying Russia or Russians when they mean Soviet Union and Soviets

>>1694735
Ok and how about if allies let somebody like... Karl Donitz let be the new fuhrer for germany. You know, like a "controlled" one likw in thw case of Japan and the emperor. Maybe that could boost back again the german morale into fighting again the commies. If something germans do well is going to war.

>>1696932
They most certainly did.
The VVS was no push over but it was hardly an unbreakable force. For one, it was actually rather small. This wasn't as issue against Germany because half the Luftwaffe was deployed to the West, but against the British and Americans it would be outnumbered 5-1 in fighters and 10-1 in strategic bombers.
Secondly Soviet aircraft were quite...varying in quality. And overall their aircraft were quite inferior to the Allied aircraft.
Not outclassed, but nothing standout about their aircraft save a handful of new aircraft being produced, that were never deployed in large numbers for a variety of reasons.

The Reds never ever had an advantage in the air. They attempted to close the gap, and for a time remained highly competitive as the Cold War entered the 60s, but then there's a reason the Soviets doubled down on mobile AA, mobile AAA, and SAMs while the West just kept improving on aircraft.

>>1696932
>>1697272
I just typed all this shit and realized you meant the Luftwaffe versus the VVS, not the Western Allies versus the VVS.
Oh well. Part of my point still stands. The VVS never faced the full might of the Luftwaffe and was also heavily supplemented by Lend Lease. They certainly superseded the Bf.109 but they had issue producing as fine an aircraft as the Focke Wulf until the closing years of the war.