Was this the most embarrassed military defeat in history ?

>>1691658
France in WWII

>>1691658


Nah, the embarrassing part is that the Oirats captured the Emperor, and then after a few years of negotiation with the Ming, just gave him back without grabbing a ransom.

>>1691658
Here come the emu posters thinking they're being clever and original

>>1691714
Not to mention Mong had already elected a new Emperor and did not want him back

Battle of Agincourt was pretty bad

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Battle of Carrhae probably ranks high up there, where the losing side of it actually admits they fucked up and documented their true causalities, and in circumstances where they could've avoided the ass-raping but got screwed over by shitty leadership.

Something something Italy...

>>1691889
But not this

>>1691726

Butthurt Australian detected.

>>1691658
whatever fucking retard let your father live

Britts losing a battle gainst literal spear chuckers.

>>1691700
Russia in WWI was way more embarrassing.

>>1693436
Not really, Russia in WWI has defeated itself after 40 years of decline.

>>1692734
>t. 朱祁鎮

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Just mentioning this battle to a Brit will give them the uncontrollable urge to scuttle the most nearby naval vessel

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>>1691700
Lasted 1 month against a numerically superior army
Meanwhile, Prussia in 1806 got conquered in 19 days by an enemy they outnumbered

But I'd say that among the "plebian" well known battles, the Battle of France is probably the most embarassing one indeed

>>1691991
Has your shitty excuse for a nation ever tried fighting fucking emus?

Italian defeat in Ethiopia in late XIX century.

Revenge is the reason behind the second invasion of the country by Mussolini in 1936

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here comes the byzzieboos/iranboos butthurt

>>b-but they lost because of the disease and they were tired and shit and the arabs werent playing fair ;_;

>>1691700
Netherlands and belgium surrendered in less than a day

And germans rushed like cowards toward Paris and didn't fight head on.

>>1693567
>Khalid ibn-al Walid
Yeah nah senpai that's cheating

>>1693968
>And germans rushed like cowards toward Paris and didn't fight head on.
That's where I realized you are a butthurt frog.

>>1693540
>Outnumbered
I am rather sure the French and Brittish army were bigger than the German one.

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>>1693995
And you're wrong
The German army was slightly bigger than the French army and the BEF combined

>>1693995
Seems like the Axis actually outnumbered the Allies with a few thousand soldiers.

>>1691658
Battle of Singapore was probably the most embarrassing defeat of the 21st century.

Otherwise this >>1692766

>>1693988
t. butthurt german

Blitzkrieg is the most cowardly way of fighting

>>1694040
Only a retard or butthurt nationalist think there are cowardly ways of fighting wars.
And that applies to both Wehrbohs and Frogs.

>>1694017
>21st
20th century*

>>1693968
> Why dont kraut go straight into my defensive lines at Maginot?
> Marching straight to the hostile capital is cowardly
> Forgetting that the traditional German route to France meanders through Belgium

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Not a defeat, but this has to be one of the most embarrassing victories in the 20th Century.

>>1691791
Having to attack us with archers because you know we're superior, THIS is embarrassing.

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Does there ever have to be discussion about this when it's so blatantly this one?

Though I should nuance that the Aragonese king was a fool to charge with the first strike against the french.

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>>1691791
Eh, payback befell you sooner or later though.

Cheers for the war though! There aren't too many countries that can boast of a century-long war.

>inb4 "cherry-picking ;-;"
Well so are Agincourt and Poitiers I guess.

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1. France in WW2
2. France in WW1
3. France in Napoleonic Wars
4. France in Seven Years War
5. France in Thirty Years War
6. France in Hundred Years War
7. France in Vietnam
8. France in Mexico
9. France in Algeria
10. France in every other war

>>1694514
le epic memester

quick someone delete my internet when im dead xD, im actually dying of laffter here ;)

>>1694514
This post really takes me back to 2003

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>>1694477
jesus fucking christ

>>1694514
Ouch, will the American asspain ever shrivel and die?

This is litterally becoming England-level obsession now.

>>1694432
Anyone who may explain more why that was embarassing for the Germans?
They were facing an enemy with a superior navy while invading a country that they had to cross a sea to reach with extremely mountainous terrain and a long coast good for the enemy navy.
Wasn't it the Allies that dropped the ball?

>>1694529
>>1694543
That image is retarded but are you actually butthurt?
Your answers seems to indicate that the poster did hit some soft spot.

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>>1694529
>>1694543
Come back when you embarrassing pussies manage to win one war (so never).

>>1694514
>France in WWI
I'm an americano but can you explain to me what's wrong with this picture? Pls tell me you're not one of those people who actually believes >we saved the day in that war

>>1694563
Britain and America fought WW1 yes. France was invaded, quickly lost, and its army broke down completely, it was only counted as a technical "winner" because its allies saved its ass as usual.

>>1694562
>>1694562
Since scarily enough, I've had to redact this pasta to ward off the BlackSheep.com's lies, here goes:

>HYW
Historians mostly conform themselves to the idea that the war was punctuated in four phases, the first presided over by mostly english victories, the second being overseen by french victories under Bertrand de Guesclin, the third by english victories while France was plagued by a weak regency, and the fourth by french victories with their armies now having mastered cannon warfare exemplified at Castillon (and their morale reinvigorated by Jeanne d'Arc).

>italian years
Mostly won by the french, with successes so overwhelming that they sometimes warranted coalitions against France such as the league of Cambrai. France was only was halted in their expansion in Charles Quint's time, who could threaten France from both Germany and Spain.

>Wars of religions
France is the first country to quieten their Protestant dissidents, while Germany and England are plagued by infighting till the Thirty Years's war.

>Thirty years' war
Under Richelieu, France becomes the overseer for the anti-Hapsburg league, and its main financial contributor, funding Carolus Rex in his expedition, while neutralizing the Spanish at Rocroi and invading Italy to lplm threateningly against the papal states.

>war of the devolution
France wars against the entire world and still reaches a tie (or win some say).

>the Dutch war
France beats the Dutch at every encounter save for naval ones, and secure their claims over the Rhine territories.

>Seven Years' war
France and its allies are on the verge of besieging Berlin, until Russia betrays them. Furthermore, France's efforts there can be forgiven considering that they had tired themselves for Prussia in the austrian war of succession. Additionally, Britain dismisses the European theater, and instead brings 42,000 men to fight the 10,000 french in Quebec (who beat them back twice).

>>1694563
It wasn't just America, but France was useless in WW1 that's true. Even Italy did more.

>>1694577
weak b8

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>>1691658
At least they were defeated by the enemy.

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>>1694585
>war of the Spanish succession
France wars against the entire known world with only meek Spain to its side, and secures its right to throne a Bourbon as the heir of Spain.

>American Revolution
France has to end the losing streak afflicted on the american colonists, and has to do so by leading the American army with their generals, along with blockading english reinforcements, essentially for winning at Yorktown.

>French Revolution
France beats back Spain, England, Italian states, the netherlands, Russia, Austria, the ottomans, Prussia all while being plagued with a civil war.

>Napoleonic wars
France beats back 6 coalitions, and Napoleon is beaten at Leipzig under numeric inferiority.

>the Franco-prussian war
One french army is surrounded with their emperor, and republicans, rather than mobilize the remainder of the armies against the Prussians, rush to the idea of bargaining a peace with Germany in which a republic might be reinstated for France.

>WW1
France saves the war at the Marne, and does so again by ending the german advance at the Marne once again before american aid becomes substantial.

>WW2
Brits run away, the french generals are idiotic, the french president sells the country to Germany as he is fascist himself.
The end.

>>1694563
France was invaded by Germany, was pushed back near Paris but then managed to push Germany back. Britain only ceded little help in this initial stage.
Half the army did mutiny once but Henri Philippe Petain, which you may know as the leader of the region of Vichy France.
America didn't enter till 1917, managed to put it down.

>>1694585
>>1694592

stop taking the b8

>>1694587
Yeah, have you guys never played BF1?

>>1694589
Can't handle the truth froggie?

Don't worry, you still make good cheeses and hot easy women.

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>>1694577
France had ended the german assaults hampering their lines to the north, and had flung the germans back into retreat at the Marne during the Second battle of the Marne.

American troops finally arrived, and were there to invigorate the Hundred Days' offensive, but weren't essential either. It was more the American aid in supplies, and the looming threat of their intervention that aided France.

>>1694587
Eh fuck you.

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>>1694608

>>1694608
Why do you insist on shitting up this board?

>>1694563
>>1694589
France was losing fast. The Germans completely overwhelmed the French army, and almost reached Paris. The only reason France wasn't fully conquered right there and then is because the British stopped the Germans at the Battle of the Marne. After that for 3 years it was the British who held almost the entire Western front, while 90% of the French army surrendered, deserted, or mutinied. Then America joined and tipped the scale, and the Anglos defeated Germany. France claimed victory as usual despite being a useless cowardly piece of shit.

>>1694617
>>1694619
Why do you insist on answering him, seriosly?

>>1693968
lolwat

Netherlands surrendered in 5 days

and Belgium in even longer

>>1694610
See >>1694623

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>responding to obvious b8

You guys should really know better

>>1693486
MERCK TOCH HOE STERCK, KAMERAAD!

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>>1694625
On the off-chance that somebody naive might actually believe him, so I'm autistically incentivized to bare naked his lies.

There's nothing more triggering than hearing that the British, while phenomenal in their help, apparently held "90% of the front", as he sees it, when they were confined to only Flanders and Ypres, and the french had to fend off the germans everywhere rlse.

>>1694619
So when memes about france drop you suddenly take this board serious?

>>1694492
Based Breton slaves following their French master.

Seriously how many times have we had to bail out the French? WW1, WW2, Cold War, Vietnam... And what do we get for it? Ungratefulness and disrespect. Pretentious little shits.

>>1694514
>WWII
k
>WWI
lad
>Napoleonic Wars
LAD
>7YW
k
>30YW
LAAAD
>100YW
LAAAAAAAAAD
>Vietnam
Indochina*
>Mexico
Who cares
>Algeria
GENOCIDE NOW

>>1694636
>fend off the germans
>completely collapse, surrender and mutiny, until Anglos come to save your asses

Well I guess it's the closest that Frenchmen ever got to combat.

Daily reminder that Australia is the only country to lose a war against non-human combatants.

>>1694651
Not really no, this isn't the first time I've accused baiters of endangering this board's well being.

>>1694655

Well, we bailed you out in WWIII, WWIIII, the Hot War and Korea.

>>1694585
>>1694592
man, being French is so great

>>1694662
>le Anglo war master race
>litterally the country known most for cowardice and perfidy in war

Stimulates neural activity doesn't it?

>>1693567
>posting the victories of one of the greatest military leaders in the world

>>1693567
Yea, well done, Ahmed, well done HOWEVER

>>1694655
>And what do we get from it
Liberation from the english, and a posh statue.

Now kneel swine.

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>>1694669
lmao you can't be this deluded

>>1694678
>things that never happened, and a cringy shit statue about leftism

>>1693543

Is that a point?

Why do Americans have such a massive inferiority complex regarding France?

>>1694679
Find me a single acknowledged author praising England for their courage in waging war?

>>1694685
You're saying you could've won that by yourselves?

http://m.ranker.com/list/list-of-all-george-washington-battles/reference : almost all of these amount to defeat.

>>1694694
We do?

This threat honestly feels like something out of the George Bush era. I'm enjoying the nostalgia. Just need some freedom fries to go with

>>1694551
>Cross a sea

Norway was littorial. Germany was able to operate their surface fleet there for the majority of the war.

The REALLY embarrassing part was that the Norwegians sank the Blucher. The most modern cruiser in the Kriegsmarine, carrying SS troops into the heart of Oslo with orders to seize the important government functions...sunk by torpedoes installed in the 1890s because the Germans were so arrogant they thought they could just sail up unimpeded.

>>1694587

>France useless in WW1

what

>Even Italy did more

triggered

Yeah the country that executed thousands of its own soldiers for not wanting to charge through the mountains into machine gun fire and could barely hold high ground against the fucking AUSTRIANS did more than France. The country who saved the overzealous brits' asses multiple times. Ok. Throw yourself down some stairs bud.

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>>1694514
Wow calm down Hans
It's okay, we forgive you for having started WW1

>>1694514
>American
LMAO

You surrender your daughters to syrians so they can rape them, you're cowards, all anglos are cowards and this is a good thing your daughters and women so we can get rid of your kind

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/23/an-alleged-sexual-assault-fuels-rumors-that-turn-an-idaho-town-against-muslim-refugees/

Anyway you're a bunch of mongrels obligated to dye their hair so they can look like white

>>1694587
r u cereal

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>>1694562
>French Revolutionary Wars
>Opponent is also French

Don't thing so Tim, shit was basically a world war
Also:

>Italian wars were fought against Italians
Wew
Did the dude even bother just checking the wiki page to know the most basic stuff or did he invent the descriptions just by looking at the name of each war?

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>>1694623
>the British stopped the Germans at the Battle of the Marne

Yeah, these brave 8,000 British soldiers of the early BEF single-handedly (with little help from 1 million and 80,000 French troops) stopped the German advance at the First Marne

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>>1694655
>Vietnam

>>1694775
France asked the US to help them in Vietnam, so as the great allies they are, they waited for the French to lose and leave, then a year later they invaded, struggled for two decades and lost too
This count as "bailing out" France to them btw

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Turkroaches BTFO

>>1694830
Go away ant.

>>1694679
Anglo obsession with France and French people is laughable

>>1693474
>first battle
>unknown, but probably higher
Kek

>>1691658
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dingo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tannenberg_Line

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Only posting because the butt blasted ausfag egged it on. I won't mention how you're also losing a war against Foxes.

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It was so bad, the Albanians had to turn on NATO cheat mode and still they got punished.

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>Be Fritz Klingenberg
>Get Bored
>Bluff Belgrade into surrendering to you and your squad.

>>1694543
who said the guy posting was English?

>>1694514
>1. France in WW2
won
>2. France in WW1
won
>3. France in Napoleonic Wars
won most of them
>5. France in Thirty Years War
won
>6. France in Hundred Years War
won
>8. France in Mexico
won pretty much all battles
>9. France in Algeria
military victory
>10. France in every other war
France has won almost every "other war"

Italy in literally every military conflict since its independence

>>1694585
>Thiry years' war
>carolus rex

>>1693564
>this meme on /his/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Adwa
You dumb niggers have to go back to /pol/.

>>1694726
>thinks he knows history
>spouts meme-tier "knowledge"
"Muh italy is bad at war" when everything you listed is because of a single damned man, Cadorna, who rightfully should be erased from history books due to his astronomical incompetence.

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>>1691658
this is real

>>1693474
>1 sturmgeschutzabteilung

what the fuck am i supposed to understand, just tell me what the fuck it is. alpine divisions? motorized? ss?
this feels like the equivalent of weaboo translators using "arigato" or "itadakimasu" on their subs.

>>1697289
(((likely exaggerated)))

>>1697300
It translates to storm cannon division

>>1693474

haha, someone using my OC. nice.

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>>1694514
ayy lmao

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>>1696624
>>1696626
>vatnik posting these
those arnt embarassing, this is

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>>1693567
The modern consensus among historians is that those numbers are entirely made up. At best, the Romans outnumbered the Arabs with a few thousand men.

In fact, what happened between the Romans and Arabs wasn't really embarrassing, people who haven't read history think that the fight over levant was some tooth and nail struggle that the Romans lost. In reality Levant and Egypt had been under Sassanid control the last 20 years, they were just recently reconquered and Heraclius retreated to Anatolia almost immediately after suffering defeats so that he could safely engage in a counter attack. But the counter attack never came. Imperial cities in the Levant and Egypt were used to the fact that if the imperial armies left, they wouldn't be coming back any time soon (because of the previous war with the Sassanids) so they didn't put up resistance.

You shouldn't trust wikipedia. Wikipedia claims that the Romans had "140 000" soldiers according to Roman sources which is absolutely a lie, and unfortunately most of Wikipedia's shit on Islam is based on traditional Arab history (which is based on arab oral history) which is notoriously unreliable.

Read pic related about the topic, or if you do not wish to read or buy listen to http://podbay.fm/show/527579475/e/1415309185?autostart=1

The Arab victories are only impressive if you look at maps and believe inflated numbers. If you go and look at actual historic sources, geopolitics, geography closer you'll see that those victories were pretty average.

>>1697461
kek, they trashed the whole Red Army

>>1694477
Yeah, he had all the volley anyone could dream off, he could just camp on the monuntains and wait the frenchies, but noooooo, waiting enemies on a mountain is dishonorable, lets charge them xd

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>>1697473
Roman sources mentioned about 80.000 roman armies in yarmouk taken from various garrison not counting arab christian allies and armenian vassals, its still very embarassing given that the numerically superior and disciplined byzzies were up against people who literally lives on a fucking desert.

>The Arab victories are only impressive if you look at maps

not at all, read more about khalids manouver during the entire campaign. the guy was underrated as fuck

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk#Battle

>>1697518
>Roman sources mentioned about 80.000
Which isn't accurate. The number wikipedia comes up with is not based on a single source, it's based on mixing various sources which are based on dubious accounts. The Romans could not have gathered a force that large it would simply have been impossible.
>various garrisons
I'll restate this, before the the Arab invasions the Levant had been controlled by the Sassanid Empire for 20 years. Heraclius held onto the Levant for only a small time before the Arabs came.

>arab christian allies
Almost non-existent. The Byzantines had previously dismantled the Ghassanid confederation leaving them much weaker. In fact, if the Ghassanids had not been reduced so much the Arabs would have most likely failed.


>armenian vassals
Except that Armenia was under Sassanid control, not Byzantine. Also the idea that the Armenians could have given so much levies that an Roman army is ludicrous. There's no previous precedent for anything like that.

>not at all, read more about khalids manouver during the entire campaign. the guy was underrated as fuck
Again, this is all based on extremely unreliable sources. Any specific details about the Arab army or it's leadership is based on writings that came 200 years after moreover these writings are based on oral tradition.

When the Arabs started writing about the rise of Islam, they weren't doing it to preserve history accurately, they were trying to explain how they had become a major power.

>>1697574
cont

> its still very embarassing given that the numerically superior and disciplined byzzies were up against people who literally lives on a fucking desert.

Again, lies based on traditional arab history. We do not know how centralized or how disciplined the Arab armies were. Traditional arab history paints the idea of the Caliphs riding to war immediately after Muhammads death and destroying the Sassanids and the Byzantines. But there is legitimately almost no proof for this. The Arab state could have been as centralized as the Empires they were facing when the invasions started.

>numerically superior and disciplined byzzies
Again there is no solid proof for this. The Byzantines were not that disciplined (don't know where you got the idea) nor that numerous.

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>>1697579
Picture of the primary sources Wikipedia used. Notice something?

>>1697574
>The number wikipedia comes up with is not based on a single source, it's based on mixing various sources


>"In this year the Saracens—an enormous multitude of them—(setting out from) Arabia, made an expedition to the region of Damascus. When Baanes had learnt of this, he sent a message to the imperial sakellarios, asking the latter to come with his army to his help, seeing that the Arabs were very numerous. So the sakellarios joined Baanes 338 and, setting forth from Emesa, they met the Arabs. Battle was given and, on the first day, which was a Tuesday, the 23rd of the month Loos, the men of the sakellarios were defeated. Now the soldiers of Baanes rebelled and proclaimed Baanes emperor, while they abjured Herakleios. Then the men of the sakellarios withdrew, and the Saracens, seizing this opportunity, joined battle. And as a south wind was blowing in the direction of the Romans, they could not face the enemy on account of the dust and were defeated. Casting themselves into the narrows of the river Hiermouchthas (yarmouk), they all perished, the army of both generals numbering 40,000. Having won this brilliant victory, the Saracens came to Damascus and captured it, as well as the country of Phoenicia, and they settled there and made an expedition against Egypt."

Source: Chronicle of Theophanes the confessor (Oxford University Press: 1997), 469-470.

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Honestly? Early years of Hussite wars. I know, I know, you haven't probably heard much about it, but just look at this. They kicked out a few crusades until they got shattered and started fighting each other.

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>>1697904
Ž I Ž K A
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>>1693436
let's see
>Russia in WW1
losing battle but holds it's own; pulls out of war in what amounts to a stalemate
>France in WW2
absolutely obliterated in weeks; buttfucked for almost 5 years straight afterwards

yeah it's no contest

>>1698062
>in what amounts to a stalemate
The olympics are over but you wouldn't be out of place there with that kind of mental gymnastics!

>>1698062
Then again:

>Russia in WW1
Fights against what amounts to the Reich's least trained soldiers, and is treated as some secondary theater.

>France in WW2
Struck head-on by the brunt of the Reich's war machine and their revolutionary tactics.

I don't thought one could be valued more than the other. Hell, they're more comparable than we'd let ourselves realize:
>many french soldiers were icky about fighting for the Front Populaire government, and would've even given victory to the germans to raise a fascist government (Petain)
>many Russian soldiers were icky about fighting for the Tsar, and would've even given victory to the germans to raise their communist government

>>1694514
All won though

>>1698151
True, except for Vietnam, Seven Years War and WW2

>>1694729
>Germany started WW1
Why is this meme still alive?

>>1698163
>WW2
Anglo prove that you can't still win a war where you done nothing on the battlefield, why not french?

>>1698239
Because it's mostly a good resume of the event.

>>1697000
>Italy

What is World War 1.

>>1698248
Only if "good" means "false"

>>1692766
Speaking of spear chuckers, Blood River was laughably one sided

>>1694040
I agree Nazifags are trash but you can't seriously say there's a wrong way to fight a battle as long as you win. I don't think anyone really cared about chivalry or honor in the blood bath of ww2

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>>1698259

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>>1693540
>unsourced wiki articles

get good

>>1698508
>of the 96,000 french, only 54,000 were engaged

Thereby confirming that Napoleon had around the same amount of men as did the Prussians.

Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

Also historians don't usually praise Jena other than for being a good, clean victory ("at Jena, Napoleon won a battle he couldn't lose"), though they praise Auerstedt where the french were surrounded 2 to 1, ("at Auerstedt, Davout won a battle he couldn't win").

>>1691658
Singapore
Japan BTFO Britian

>>1696796
>ww2
>won

Getting your ass saved by america is not wining froggie.

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>>1698636
oy ye dont forget the briduns

>>1698636
>ww2
>take over a few useless islands in the pacific and nuke japan

>70 years later
>WE WUZ SAVIOR OF THE WORLD N SHIIEEEET

>>1698650
bro let me preface this saying i'm a brit

without the yanks d-day couldn't happen

without d-day the soviets can set up communist regimes over pretty much all of europe

>>1697579
>lies based on traditional arab history
>We do not know how centralized or how disciplined the Arab armies were.
>The Arab state could have been as centralized...

So there is no proof either way according to YOUR source (two pages from a single book) to support your interpretation that they definitely were?

>>1698656
Churchill said the day the US declared it was in the war was the first night he could sleep knowing that the war, no matter how long, would be won.

It's a shame on us we took so long to enter.

It's a shame on us we financed Hitler. Shame on the Bush family in particular.

>>1698656
>bro let me preface this saying i'm a brit

You clearly arent
Bongs are so deluded they think they mattered in the D-day so you'd have said "getting saved by America and Britain" if you were one

>>1698426

Attacking through the alps is pretty hard desu. Doubt anyone would've done better.

It did sober up the Italians to the fact that war is basically a meme and that you should enjoy life, which led to their version of fascism not creating murder factories unlike the German.

>>1698703
May we never have to endure what the Brits endured without complaint.

>>1698698
i appreciate what your people did

but let me just say

fuck fdr to hell

fuck that anglophobic cunt

he and eisenhower are the reason the british empire ended.

i wish i could go back in time and make alf landon win

>>1698636
That doesn't matter, it's still regarded as a victory, saying France didn't win WW2 is like saying America didn't win it's Revolutionary War because they got their ass saved by France.

>>1698703
you realise britain and the commonwealth took more beaches than the americans?

why are frogs so fucking bitter about the war?

>>1694696
>Find me a single acknowledged author praising England for their courage in waging war?

There are many

All of them English though

>>1693436
Russia was already losing battles and wars before WW1.

>>1698561

When you have a large reserve you can use the rest of your troops differently.

>Thereby confirming that Napoleon had around the same amount of men

That's not what was claimed boyo

>Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

Nice damage control

>Also historians don't usually praise Jena other than for being a good, clean victory ("at Jena, Napoleon won a battle he couldn't lose"), though they praise Auerstedt where the french were surrounded 2 to 1, ("at Auerstedt, Davout won a battle he couldn't win").

Makes more sense, although the second statement is a bit hyperbolic, there were a bunch of factors that disadvanteg the Prussians, such as the commander, the Duke of Brunswick, being wounded and losing vision.

>>1693474
>human wave attack

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>>1698883
Well I'll be darned. That one I'll concede to you then.

>>1698883
>>1698974
Isn't the fact that Napoleon had more men at Jena-Auersted a big accomplishment in and of itself. He was facing a lot more than just the Prussians during the war.

>>1691726
hah

>>1698426
>tfw grandparents live a hike away from WW1 Austrian bunkers.
>Can still find old artillery shells lying around

pretty cool desu

>>1698711
>The British empire didn't end because it was fucktarded and an empire of money ($$$)

What's up with Anglos and they're retardation?

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>>1691658

America had some pretty inexcusable defeats in the Indian Wars. Usually falling into traps or underestimating enemy numbers though.

The defeat in Red Cloud's War and a bunch of Civil War vets getting massacred comes to mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetterman_Fight

>>1693540
>numerical superiority on paper is somehow the determining force behind a military victory or defeat

If it only was that easy

>>1700795
This. Getting defeated EVER by backwards savages is always embarrassing.

>>1694040

How the fuck is Blitzkrieg cowardly? The very premise of it is take as many fights as possible as fast as you can. If any form of fighting is cowardly its sitting behind a line of fortresses...

>>1693436
Nah, Baltic Fleet was the most embarrassing.
They embarrassed themselves before even arriving at the battle.

>>1698974
How does one lose both his eyes to a musket ball?
Did it graze his corneas sideways? Or did the ball impact between his eyes, or in one eye and the blast got the better of the other? I don't understand this

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Preveza
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_War_of_Independence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign

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>>1693567
>if you lose to Alexander, Caesar or Napoleon you're shit.

>>1694477
Wew didn't know that one,iif this even possible?

>>1699900
Jesus.

>>1693474
>>1698894
>Wave after wave of Russian soldiers in a never ending horde

Hey it worked on every single woman in eastern germany.

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>>1694432
>That file name
Good shit anon. Chuckled/10

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>>1691658
Battle of Okehazama

Probably that one Austrian army during Napoleon's Italian campaign that surrendered to Napoleon's small city garrison because Napoleon bluffed them into believing his whole army was there.

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Remember this one?

>>1701251
>be retard
>celebrate victory before the actual battle
>get ambushed during celebration
lmao

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JUST

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Probably one of the most one sided here.

>>1696680
>in more than half of those they are outnumbered 2:1
>embarassing
m80...

>>1697473
>"romans"
>beaten by sandnigger camelfuckers who couldnt form armies with more than 3 zeros in it because of how susceptible to infighting they are
>literally never recovered
>this is not impressive

>>1697904
>strength: 10-1500
lol what

>>1701329
You're actually retarded

>>1701329
It means 10,000-15,000

>>1701292
Like literally the Imagawa forces could have crushed the Oda. But Mr. Nobunaga took advantage of their idiocy, lmao.

>>1701319
>99, 000
>Has three zeros
>Confused on your insult

>>1701294
>poo in loo

>>1696680
Serb detected

>>1694590
>meme battle

>>1697640
>meme source by a man who lived over a century after the initial war with the Arabs
Retard.

>>1696680
>Win against 28 militants
>This is worth highlighting
>Win against 30 militants, when you have "hundreds"
>This is worth highlighting
I have seen pub brawls more impressive than Serbian Military victories.

>>1694590
You forgot the part where one of the Austrians actually saw that they were just fighting among themselves and shouted "Halt! Halt!", which the Hungarian soldiers interpreted as "Allah! Allah!".

>>1704717
for what purpose would a byzantine historian inflates their own number you dumb shit

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>>1691658
>serbs btfo

>>1705168
Theopanes was against the throne you fucking retard. So why don't you explain to me how a man with no direct or primary sources, who is religiously against the current Byzantine Emperor and his dynasty, writes allegorical religious manuscripts shitting on the current political system and Isaurian dynasty and talks about events that happened over more then a fucking century he was born counts as valid.

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Cavalry, cannons, and muskets. The Spanish fucked shit up in Mexico.

>>1701190
I've seen this crime documentary where someone was shot in the temple and the bullet caught both optic nerves, pulling the eyes into the skull, he survived. maybe something similar happened here

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The only thing more embarrassing then Italians losing, is losing to these dumb animals.

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>>1691658

>>1691700
Poland*

>>1693567
>Battle of River
>Rashidun victory [citation needed]
>Strenght [citation needed]
>Casualities [citation needed]
wew lad

>>1694587
>Italy
TAKE THAT BACK I AM A GREAT-GRANDSON OF A ITALIAN FRONT VETERAN

BOŻE ZACHOWAJ CESARZA FRANCISZKA JÓZEFA

>>1698092
The Front Populaire died in 38, you mong

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>>1706978
>sources: SWORD OF ALLAH.COM

>>1709168
>>1706978
Thomas the presbyter

>>1691658
has anyone already posted the one where the Austrian army fought a battle against itself and lost during a war against the ottomans?

>>1709194
Post the excerpts from primary source then.

>>1709226
>In the year 947 (635—36), indiction 9, the Arabs invaded the whole of Syria and went down to Persia and conquered it. The Arabs climbed the mountain of Mardin and killed many monks there in the monasteries of Qedar and Bnata. There died the blessed man Simon, doorkeeper of Qedar, brother of Thomas the priest.

>In January the people of Homs took the word for their lives and many villages were ravaged by the killing of the Arabs of Muhmd and many people were slain and taken prisoner from Galilee as far as Beth.

>On the twenty-sixth of May the Saqilara went from the vicinity of Homs and the Romans chased them.

>On the tenth of August the Romans fled from the vicinity of Damascus and there were killed many people, some ten thousand. And at the turn of the year the Romans came. On the twentieth of August in the year nine hundred and forty-seven there gathered in Gabitha a multitude of the Romans, and many people of the Romans were killed, some fifty thousand.
>A. Palmer (with contributions from S. P. Brock and R. G. Hoyland), The Seventh Century In The West-Syrian Chronicles Including Two Seventh-Century Syriac Apocalyptic Texts, 1993, Liverpool University Press: Liverpool (UK), pp. 2-3; Also see R. G. Hoyland, Seeing Islam As Others Saw It: A Survey And Evaluation Of Christian, Jewish And Zoroastrian Writings On Early Islam, 1997, op. cit., pp. 116-117.

>>1691700
t. Georges W. Bush.

remember that before your *second* war in Irak we weren't those surrender monkeys.

>>1709323
>copies-pastes the article from wikipedia that isn't primary material
I see you don't know what I mean then.

>>1701231
Too soon

>>1709974
>>A. Palmer (with contributions from S. P. Brock and R. G. Hoyland), The Seventh Century In The West-Syrian Chronicles Including Two Seventh-Century Syriac Apocalyptic Texts, 1993, Liverpool University Press: Liverpool (UK), pp. 2-3; Also see R. G. Hoyland, Seeing Islam As Others Saw It: A Survey And Evaluation Of Christian, Jewish And Zoroastrian Writings On Early Islam, 1997, op. cit., pp. 116-117.

read a book nigger

>>1706918
Poland didn't stop fighting though.

France gave up and their women fucked the Germans. France had also bigger army, time to prepare and British support. - Poland was outnumbered.

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>>1710110

>yfw will never march into Paris one day, thinking you'll be looking down on the Frenchies, only to lock eyes with a local girl and fall head over heels for her
>ywn continue on your business, occasionally offering a glance and smile, and in your off time, learn a little French
>ywn approach her and ask her out on a date and have her agree to it
>ywn have a woman so conflicted between duty to country and the matters of her heart
>she will never choose you over her country
>ywn ask her to be your wife and start a secret engagement for her safety
>ywn be called up to meet the American invasion,
>ywn be captured and convinced that sure that you will never see her again. She might disavow you. It would be easier for her to just forget you
>ywn be proven wrong when you find out she tracked you down and fearlessly crossed the lines to find you, and force the PoW handlers to take one more prisoner: her.

ywn marry your shamelessly loyal Collaborationistfu

>>1693486
We've never heard of that m8

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>>1710110
>>1710130
Reminder that German troops mostly fucked prostitutes as they werent allowed to interact with "regular" women in Western european occupied lands

>>1710110
Why are all Poles so pathetically butthurt?

The entire Polish army surrendered. Poland lasted even a shorter time than France, and it was erased from existence.

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>>1691658

nope

>>1710170
I'm French and I'd say Poland fared less pathetically than us
They were a poor shithole that got invaded by Germany and the USSR
Meanwhile, we were a rich country with a big army and got attacked by Germany....and fucking Italy

But I agree that the way Poles on the internet always try to humiliate France and emphasize on our failure in WW2 to make theirs look less bad (or even good) is pathetic
I mean, everyone knows that WW2 was France's lowest moment, but by reading some Poles on the internet you could end up believing that lasting about the same amount of time as France in WW2 is Poland's greatest achievement in history

>>1710170
>>1710303
War didn't end for Poland in 1939.

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>>1710303
>They were a poor shithole
France was a poor shithole compared to Germany

>>1710314
Just because your politicians cowardly fled overseas instead of facing their responsabilities and doing the best for their people that remained in the country doesnt mean your country wasnt defeated

>>1710303
>and fucking Italy
Who got utterly rekt by a handful of French reserve troops, who by the time of the armistice were marching on Rome.

>>1710314
>what is Free France

>>1710338
Yeah
What I meant is that while Poland had to face a real two fronts war against Germany and the USSR, the "two fronts war" France had to face wasnt really one since Italy was so fucking bad

>>1696672
> 24 pack

Carton

>>1710340
>free france
>french resistance
Memes.

>"I'd rather have a German division in front of me, than a French one behind."
- Patton

France didn't contribute to WW2 at all.

>>1710367
>calls historical realities memes while posting a completely made up quote

GTFO from /his/.

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>>1710367

>>1710367
>free pooland
404

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>>1710303
>I'm French and I'd say Poland fared less pathetically than us
Quite honestly, I'm french too, and would think it fair to say that Poland is only more honorable to France in that it was struck a true military defeat before surrendering. That country was swarmed from both ends, and regardless, they littered their streets with their corpses to preserve Warsaw as best they could from it all.

France did poorly militarily, but it isn't as if all was lost for them: yes they'd been denied their best trained troops in the Belgian encirclement, and had their hopes for a counter-attack shattered when the british fled at Dunkirk, but the defeat was more political than anything.

If anything, it's immensily entertaining how for almost each time France wages war against Germany, it is itself embroiled in political turmoil that progressively fashions that war more into a test of strength between french political factions, rather than a fight against the germans, that being shown especially in the Franco-Prussian war, which devolved more into a civil war between republicans and imperialists, rather than a joint effort to counter the germans. In WW2 again, the tensions tearing at France seeped into the French army, and specifically the traditionally conservative army corps for the army corps, which would've had their loyalties probably waved between the ideology they felt they belonged to, fascism, and their country, France, but that they probably hated for being under the rule of a socialist government. Of course I'm not hinting that the french army corps might've purposely sabotaged the french war effort, but there remains that you have to know about these divisions.

1/2

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>>1710422
France had almost become a fascist nation in the 1934 uprisings, so no one should be surprised that the numbers conscripts might've have encompassed some large minority of fascist-sympathizers, whose hearts might've not been into the fight. The country was also more or less betrayed by the radical left, that had sabotaged numerous french factories, as means to secure Hitler's hold on France, by thinking that Stalin (their idol) and Hitler were genuine allies to one another.

And there's also this to consider: the French were incredibly morale-lacking in that war, with notably some uneasy about fighting fascism, others uneasy about fighting an ally to Stalin, and now know this: around 70% of the captures of the french army by the german army occurred after Petain called to the germans in a radio transmission for an armistice. That's how easy it was for the french morale to crumble and to surrender themselves to germans, that all it took was for Petain to betray them and ask for peace.

It's honestly amazing that a civil war hadn't broken out in France in the years 1937 or 1938 what with how divided the country was.

So Poland did lose more resoundingly but at least they did so militarily which is nothing to be ashamed of against the Wehrmacht. We lost because politics divided everyone. I'm not saying that France wouldn't have lost if there'd been more unity, since it was undone in the Ardennes offensive anyways, but it probably could've lasted some months or years more.

2/2

>>1710367
Considering that they somewhat aided to secure the victory of El-Alamein with Montgomery being able to allot the time won by preparing his defenses, by slowing down Ròmmel at Bir-Hakeim, saying they didn't exist is a bit rude.

They were also the backbone of the Provence landings.

>>1710422
>it was struck a true military defeat before surrendering

So was France, tactically speaking. It had absolutely no chance to win the war in the short term. And it didn't actually surrender, that was the whole point. It signed an armistice in order to retain a level of independence and not get destroyed in some pointless act of self-sacrifice while the Anglos just chilled beyond the sea.

>>1710445
>>1710445
Yes, but as you'll learn in delving deeper into my second part, is that the true strategic disaster that was dealt to the french army and that is so much abhorred in our collective memory occurred after Petain asked for an armistice. France I can concede was ended as soon as the germans had lucked out in not being caught in the Ardennes, and struck their encirclement tactic, but the part about lot of the french army being captured and so much of France falling to Panzer divisions happened after Petain had asked for peace. Maybe the fall of France would've been a more lengthy process had he not resorted to peace that fast. But he utterly blew out what shreds of morale were left so yeah.

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Ottoman empire was always going to fall someday

>>1710489
>roaches kill 3 Armenians in cold blood
>still try to deny that the Armenian genocide ever happened

It's utterly pathetic that they're still at it when we have proofs like these.

>>1710489
Wow, that's some incredible Armenian butthurt.

>>1691658
>>1693540
>>1693567
I don't think it's embarrassing to lose to the literal best military leaders that ever lived.

>>1710548
But none of them posted Subutai

>>1710489
lol

>>1710403
>>1710405
>>1710417
>>1710422
Polish resistance and underground state overshadows French contribution

>>1693436
>brusilov offensive
Russia was doing pretty good for a while until attrition wore it down

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Not embarrassing, just fucking crazy.

>>1696784
idk idiot. Who?

>>1694590
myth

>>1694477
This looks like a winner to me. Absurd.

>>1698420
>A badass future president hellbent on revenge against the British
>With an army of American soldiers, civilians Indians, and a pirate fleet, he fights the British after peace was negotiated
>Inflicts a defeat so staggering he can coast on the fame to election and know that even Wellington got pissed at the battle's outcome

Andrew Jackson was one hardcore dude

>>1698426
Jesus, Luigi is more responsible for Italian deaths than a pasta shortage

>>1698426
>Cadorna replaced with Diaz
>Vittorio Veneto happens

>>1706918
>invaded by Germany and USSR
>still last longer than France

>>1710297
this always gets me

>>1710367
>>"I'd rather have a German division in front of me, than a French one behind."
Patton never said that, retard

>>1709382
Yes you were. It got really bad when the true extent of french collaboration became known. Bush just tapped into the preexisting disdain the west has for the french.

>>1701319
>>literally never recovered
Yes, well, being set upon constantly by arabs, steppe nomads, and franks DOES tend to put damper on an empires growth.

>>1705168
Politics.

You do realize we use the term byzantine for a reason, right?

Making the throne look bad via history, allegory, or other writing was a fucking tradition, to the point where it would be odd if people DIDN'T do this to you.

Meanwhile, the empire at the time was almost certainly incapable of fielding that many men. The wars with the sassanids had exhauisted the treasury, morale, manpower, and the needed demographics, and the empire, being the empire, COULD NOT turn all it's forces to one threat. Ever. It had three major fronts, and the north literally always had to be defended lest the capital get fucked.

The arabs would likely not have even been viewed as an existential threat until it was too late.

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>>1691726
[spoiler]4u[/spoiler]

>>1694901
>Anglo obsession with France and French people is laughable

It's literally the opposite though.

>Somebody says anything remotely positive about Anglos
>French literally cannot contain their anal devastation
>HON HON HON REMEMBER WHEN WE BEAT ENGLAND LIKE 300 YEARS AGO, PLEASE IGNORE THE LAST CENTURY OR SO OF COMPLETE FRENCH FAILURE, WE WUZ MILITARY GODS AND SHEEEIT, MUH NAPOLEON

There is no French obsession, it's just pity. They lost the empire and culture game to their rival, now all they can do is post wikipedia screenshots of battles that happened like 600 years ago and share Eternal Anglo memes on a chinese cartoon board.

Sad.

>>1712449
What did it even contribute? Can you name anything?

>>1713809
You're not fooling anyone, Anglos are obsessed with France while the French don't particularly care about England.

t. impartial observer

>>1713831
Seems like they're more obsessed with Germans to me.Francos and Francoboos do always jump in whenever anyone says anything positive about Anglos though.

>>1713831
Well I'm pretty biased in this argument because I'm a Brit but I think >>1713894
is right, if we're "obsessed" with anyone then I'd say it's Germans, not French.

The average Brit doesn't give a fuck about what France is doing yet Merkel pops up in the news quite often when she makes yet another shitty decision and then tries to force the EU members to follow her.

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>>1706918
>>1710110
>>1710130
>>1710169
>>1710170
>>1710303
>>1710314
>>1710340
>>1710367
>>1710403
>>1710405
>>1710417
>>1710422
>>1710439
>>1710445
>>1710471
>>1712449
>>1713828
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Righteous_Among_the_Nations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BBegota
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Poles_during_the_Holocaust
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_resistance_movement_in_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_contribution_to_World_War_II#Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_contribution_to_World_War_II#Intelligence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_contribution_to_World_War_II#Polish_Forces_.28West.29

Meanwhile in France:
>French women fuck German soldiers
>French are outstanding citizens of the Third Reich
>no Partisan activities worth noticing happen

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>>1713911
I also don't get why Pierre's are getting so passive-agressive whenever their failure is mentioned.

Colonial Empire comparing themselves to regional power is pretty fucking patethic as it is.

>>1713894
>>1713909
Nod really, I'm German and aside from the same "two world wars one world cup" shit over and over you never really talk about Germany.

But look at any British news site and it will be filled with articles about France. Whenever there's an international comparison of any sort, Brits will immediately compare themselves to France. Of course you can't ignore Germany and Merkel for their influence in EU politics, but Brits don't give a shit about what happens in Germany, but constantly talk about what happens in France. I can't even count the number of covers from the Economist that have been about French domestic issues. Even here on /his/, whenever frogs make some kind of French bragging/bait thread, it's always the same nationality that will fill the thread with butthurt even without their country being mentioned: Brits (followed by Americans).

>>1713911
lmao, I don't think there's a country in the world even half as butthurt as pooland.

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>>1713911
>all this butthurt
>still can't name a single Polish contribution to WW2 other than losing and getting raped like a little bitch

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>>1713976
>>1713989
Not an argument.

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>>1714023
lol

>>1714031
>making fun of dead people
We're officially at French level.

>>1713968
>whenever frogs make some kind of French bragging/bait thread, it's always the same nationality that will fill the thread with butthurt even without their country being mentioned: Brits (followed by Americans)

Well I don't disagree with this but as the other anon mentioned, the exact same thing happens in any Anglo thread. The British Empire threads are the perfect bait for Frogs and their supporters.

>France's African shitholes were better than Britain's African shitholes blah blah blah!
>You only colonized the shit places!
>France made some puppet states in Europe and held them for like 20 years so that's better than having a global empire for more than 100 years!
>[Proceeds to post wikipedia screenshots of battles in 1400s that is somehow supposed to relate to modern Britain]
>etc. etc.

Again, I'm biased so obviously I'm going to make the case that France cares more about the petty rivalry than Britain but I don't think it's fair to put all of the shame on Britposters.

As I said, it's fucking annoying to see any thread that is remotely positive towards Britain get immediately filled with Francaboos that simply cannot allow us to have anything good.

>>1714023
The fact that you can't name a single Polish contribution to WW2 is a pretty strong argument for how useless Poland was.

>>1714053
>Mine detector
>broke the Enigma
just two at top of my head and I'm not even a polack.

>>1714040
It's pretty normal for Britain to be obsessed with France desu, considering its history (England being a former French quasi colony, English identity having been built through wars against France, and British hegemony coming immediately after that of France) and the fact France is Britain's only neighbour. France has all the major Western countries as neighbours, so it's not as exclusively oriented towards Britain as Britain is towards France.

>>1714059
Any actual military contributions, seeing as that's what we're discussing here?

>>1714080
Battle of Britain, Monte Cassino, Battle of Berlin

>>1714053
they started it. Cuddling up to the britbongs and the raiding the radio station trying to cuck Germany because they thought they wouldnt have the balls to counteract.

>>1714097
>they started it. Cuddling up to the britbongs and the raiding the radio station trying to cuck Germany because they thought they wouldnt have the balls to counteract.
Your /pol/ is the other way.

We're discussing actual history here.

>>1714084
>Battle of Britain
Poles only made up about 1/14th of the total force
>Monte Cassino
Largely irrelevant, very few and the only contribution was just a little more infantry
>Battle of Berlin
None were present in the actual assault, they were only present in the perimeter, and then again there were much fewer Poles than the other Allies

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>>1714084
>battle of britain
>monte cassino
>battle of berlin

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>>1714100
>>1714101
Anything to lower contribution.

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>>1714103

>>1710103
>not a primary source
Wew lad. Kill yourself.

>>1714103
>>1714104
How exactly is sticking a Polish flag where a battle took place supposed to prove that Poland provided a meaningful contribution?

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>>1714040
>>1713809
You're obviously butthurt about them, son. Heck all you have to do to know that you're full of shit is to browse this thread. I don't see French replying with memes, strawmaning like you and citing false quotes.

>France's African shitholes were better than Britain's African shitholes blah blah blah!
>You only colonized the shit places!
>France made some puppet states in Europe and held them for like 20 years so that's better than having a global empire for more than 100 years!

Things that never happened the post.

>>1713968
Pic related.

>>1714084
lol what

>>1714103
>>1714104
>Poland
>trying to take credit for other people's achievements since 1945

>>1714114
>Things that never happened the post.

Why didn't you just say it's your first day on /his/ ?

You could have saved me a few seconds of my life reading your post.

>>1714114
And I thought that Andrew Roberts was a respectable historian

>>1714114
>>1714122
I guess you're talking about that pic that compares empires of various European countries to the British empire and emphasises how the British only ruled over primitive natives instead of conquering civilised nations.

But I don't see what that has to do with France, it only gets posted as response to the British "RULE BRITANNIA GREATEST EMPIRE OF ALL TIME YUROPOORS ARE YOU EVEN TRYING" wankery.

>>1693968
Belgium lasted like two weeks. Netherlands 5 days, AND got the best aerial k/d ratio in the war, with outdated biplanes.

>>1694040
Yes, the most manly way to fight a war is pissing your pants in bunkers while waiting to get burned alive from German flamethrowers that come from behind.
t. Pierre Maginot

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>ITT: butthurt sons of nations conquered by the krauts in weeks and had their women on their backs voluntarily hours afterwards, fighting over who held up the best.

>>1714391
>Germany has never won a war
>Israel has never lost a war

>>1713911
This pole is the embodiement of what >>1710303 said
You can almost sense how proud they are of having lasted 10 days less than France in WW2

Meanwhile, you'll never see a French do that
When a French wants to express prode in his history, he'll use Napoleon, Templar Knights, Louis XIV...
But somehow Poles use a time their country got humilited instead of its proudest moments

>>1691700
>Belgium in WWII
>Denmark in WWII
>Norway in WWII
>Austria in WWII
>Check Republic in WWII
>Romania in WWII

And last and least:

>Italy in WWII

>>1714399

Germany fought giants

Israel fought ants backed with US arms

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>>1713968
>I can't even count the number of covers from the Economist that have been about French domestic issues.

Kek

I'm French but this whole obsession meme has got a bit too far.
It's only fair for newspaper to talk about France, we're still a major power. A lot of news here are about Britain or Germany.
Real obsession was the 2003 USA-France feud, now that was grotesque.

>>1714437
It was hilarious to see.

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>>1691658

>A crusading army consisting of 30,000-60.000 troops began to move on Adrianople, at that time the Ottoman sultan Murat I was fighting the Catalan mercenaries in the Byzantine army at Biga, (Çanakkale). Also most of the Ottoman army was in Asia Minor. Lala Sahin Pasha who was the first Beylerbey of Rumelia, demanded Sultan to send him some reinforcements. Also Lala Şahin Paşa appointed “Hacı İlbey” to be the commander of an expeditionary force that was supposed to monitor and slow down the allied army.

>Despite all efforts, the allied army crossed the Maritsa river very easily without any important resistance; and made a camp in Sarayakpinar (old name: Sirpsindiği) village in Edirne near the banks of Maritsa river. They were very near to Adrianople.The army leaders made an early feast that night. They hoped to take Adrianople with ease. They neglected to take any measures that might protect the camp, but the camp was being monitored by expeditionary forces. Hacı Ilbey decided to make a surprise attack without waiting for any reinforcements. Ottoman akinjis attacked the allied camp in the darkness of night, and they carried 2 torches for the purpose of deceiving the enemy into thinking that they had double their actual numbers. This trick worked. This surprise attack threw the allied army into a panic that they were drunk or asleep because of the feast. They supposed that the Ottoman Sultan Murat I had arrived there with a large army. Most of the alliance troops tried to retreat back to the road from whence they came. Many of them were drowned in the Maritsa river while trying to swim to the opposite side. Most of the soldiers were Serbians.

>>1714465
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries

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>>1714594
How french can butthurt the anglo to this point?

>>1714437
>obsession
Stating obvious facts is obsession now?

>>1714806
>>1714801
Will they ever stop?

>>1714411
>Check Republic
Were you predicting repeating digits or are you just retarded ?

>>1694652
... and being late at battles, with 3/4 of their army """""defending""""" Rennes, just in case...

anything with Brit in it sucks, and that includes your mom.

>>1701299
>464 vs 10 000-21000
>3 wounded

>>1714023
>the french did this to their own woman
>mad they couldnt defend them

You guys suck ass

>>1693436
how so?

>>1713968
>(followed by Americans)
It's really, really fun to egg the frogs and bongs on.

You should try it.