Why is Julius Caesar the most famous Roman Emperor?

>>1673751
Fiction and pop culture.

>>1673751
Because his death was dramatized. Makes for good movies and shit.
Plus the hes mentioned in the bible.

>>1674621
No he isn't

Because Shakespeare wrote a play about him is probably the main reason. Crossing the Rubicon is also a popular phrase, but I don't know how long that has been popular, or if most people could tell you where it came from.
>>1674623
Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's

>>1674634
Caesar, like Augustus, became a title for the emperor
Do you realize Caesar died in BC times?

>>1673751
He was not an emperor.

>>1673751
BAIT

>He played a critical role in the events that led to the demise of the Roman Republic and the rise of the Roman Empire.

>>1673751
Because he was a real nigga

>>1674640
Then how come Augustus Caesar got both titles????

>>1673751
Coz he's the OG emperor (kinda). He also coined the title.

>>1674642
Consul4Lyfe*

>>1673751
Why would the first Emperor not be the most famous? It's like asking why George Washington is the most famous President.

He died a martyr.

>>1675039
Lincoln is the most famous president

>>1675346
>>1675039

Uhhh the most famous president is Obama. Lol. The current president. You think some dips in rest of the world know who george washington and abe lincoln are?

>>1675346
Who?

>>1673751
Because he was(unofficially) the first emperor and he was the god-father of Augustus.
There is also the fact he successfully fought in Iberia, Gaul, Britanny, Germany, and Egypt.

>>1674672
Caesar hadn't come to be used as a title yet. The first five emperors (Augustus through Nero) were called Caesar because of various tenuous family connections with Julius Caesar. The Caesar mentioned at that point in the Bible would be Tiberius, who is mentioned as such in at least one other place in the Gospels.

>>1675346
No. Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy, and FDR are generally the most well known and famous of the Presidents. Lincoln doesn't edge out GW or FDR.

>>1675406
It also has to do with the fact that Augustus's claim to fame, legitimacy, and that of his successors are directly based off Caesar's power base and reputation. And to a lesser extent, also acknowledging his great-great uncle mother fucking Gaius Marius.

>>1673751
Because, the Senate decided his fate.

Can he really be called emperor? All the guy wanted was to be king.

>>1673751

He wasn't even an emperor, just a dictator like Sulla.

He's famous because he won the civil war that put the last nail in the coffin of the republic, he conquered Gaul, he was a great writer whose works were read throughout the middle ages, and a lot was written about him in general.

>nobody knows who Cicero is anymore
>better writer, better speaker, more interesting human being, hundreds of his letters survive, at the height of his career an equal to Caesar and Pompey

>>1673751
>successful military career
>successful political career
>won a civil war that tied up the two previous
>was assassinated right as he reached his peak
>assassination set the course for the end of the republic/beginning of the empire
>first five emperors, while not direct descendants, were from his family
>namesake, due to being the first to wield the power, became the title for all future emperors (Roman and beyond)
>wrote his own histories
And most importantly for the general public, whether they're aware of it or not.
>had a play written about him by the most famous playwright in history

>>1676329
You forgot JFK

>emperor

>>1676421
>>nobody knows who Cicero is anymore
Woah, let's not exaggerate. Caesar is more famous, but Cicero still is extremely famous.

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>>1675047
Ded lyke myrtre

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>>1676401
It's treason then.

>>1676421
>at the height of his career an equal to Caesar and Pompey
No he wasn't, not even close. He never was anymore relevant than your average roman of consular status. Compare with Pompey, who started blackmailing the senate and threatening rebellion since his twenties to (successfully) get what he wanted or Caesar, who was considered just as good a lawyer as Cicero, and was also a war hero from the days of his military tribunate, and would go on to basically take over the republic with the first triumvirate and then on his own. There's absolutely no comparison whatsoever. What did Cicero do politically that Catulus the younger didn't? Or Metellus Pius? Or many other of his consular contemporaries? Cicero's fame comes from his literary works, because as a politician he was of middling importance, always under the thumb of some bigger fish, from Pompey to Mark Anthony to Augustus.

>>1675406
You forgot Greece and Anatolia, where he won the Civic Crown.

>>1676421
>nobody knows who Cicero is any more
What?
That's like saying nobody knows how Marcus Aurelius is
Maybe stop posting

>>1677431
I'm pretty sure the average guy (not the average /his/torian) is not gonna know who Marcus Aurelius was, whereas there's a good chance he'd heard about Cicero.

Huh? Julius Caesar? I'm pretty sure Belisarius was the best Roman emperor. Otherwise, Mehmet II was also pretty good

>>1677789
>Mehmet II
>Roman

>>1677903
Oh yeah, you're right. I meant to say Carolus Magnus.

>>1673751
really cool name

>>1677903
The Ottomans are the undeniable successors to Rome

>>1673751
He set up this empire thing, was divinized, and the name Caesar become synonymous with emperor.

>>1677438
People are astoundingly stupid and undereducated, for the most part.
I think maybe ten of the fifty people at my work would known Cicero or Aurelius

>>1673751
Caesar was an incredible politician and general. He was everything a Roman statesman aspired to be, and all the rest of them hated him for it. He was also fantastic at self-promotion, and his self-published works about his Gallic exploits are as famous as Aurelius Meditiations while, by contrast, actually being interesting to read.

>>1676421
>nobody knows who Cicero is anymore
>Caesar and Pompey
People know more about Cicero who became a meme than they know about Pompey who is just some guy who did some thing in rome possibly he sure as hell wasn't Caesar.
Cicero and Caesar both left a cultural impact, even if Caesar left a much bigger one.

>>1679261
De Bello Gallico is by far more famous than the Meditations. If only because every single student of latin translated "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres..." during his studies.

>>1679368
>every single student of latin
All five of them on the continental US.

Probably due to the play by Shakespeare.

>>1674672
Caesar was Augustus's legal name

>>1679600
If someone had used a bust of Augustus in the OP but kept the text then it'd have been a pretty clever thread a good way to weed out the idiots.

>>1679316
Pompey was the first guy to get 3 seperate triumphs.

>>1674634
That was Augustus.

Julius Caesar was not an emperor

>>1680049
Bullshit, just off the top of my head I remember Valerius Corvus (Volsci, Samnites, Ausones, Etruscans) and Gaius Marius (Celtiberians, Numidians, Cimbri) did it too before Pompey. A lot more generals must have managed that too.

>>1679370
There are like 5-7000 AP latin tests every year, and they come after 2-4 years of latin studies. Then all the college students. There probably are something like 3-600k latin speakers in the US.

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>>1673751
>Roman Emperor

>>1674640
>>1674634

>Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's

This always makes me think - at what point was Caesar an acknowledged title for "leader of Rome" in the sense we understand it as? I mean to contemporaries, obviously we get that since Augustus it became a thing.

At the point of Jesus' life, there had been Julius and Augustus, and Augustus was his acknowledged heir. Augustus took it more to connect himself with Julius which wouldn't be that unusual, and Augustus in the principate put on a lot of airs about "lol I'm not emperor chill I'm just an influential guy it's a republic niggas."

Why would he not say "Give unto Rome what is Rome's" or "give unto Augustus what is Augustus'" or "Give unto Princeps what is Princeps'"? What special significance did Caesar, as a title rather than a name, have to contemporaries?

>>1680784

It occurs to me that I'm retarded and Jesus would've been a teenager when Augustus died, though the question still stands.

>>1680795
It clearly didn't occur to you that by virtue of adoption both Augustus and Tiberius were legally named Caesar too.

>>1675380

If they have even a meager understanding of history then yes they do you fucking moron.

Oblongo will be a footnote in American history in 200 years time.

>>1680798

It did, the fact remains that it was a name rather than a title. Tiberius also took "Princeps" which was more the title of his position in society than "Caesar" which was essentially a family name, and like I asked I wasn't sure when "Caesar" became the indicator of the position of "Ruler of Rome" over the various other titles that the emperor (itself a nebulous position at the time) took.

>>1673751
Because he was deified and brightest comet appeared after his death.

>>1680807
It surely was an indicator of position by the tetrarchy, else there wouldn't have been 2 augustuses and 2 caesars.

>>1678244

Some Romaboo turkroach is not a Roman Emperor

The Ottomans didn't pay any homage to Rome after Mehmet died. Even if they did they would not truly be Rome, at best they could have been a sort of spiritual successor like the Russians but they weren't even that.

>>1680812

Certainly, I'd imagine it was acknowledged by the time the Julio-Claudians were ousted and a new family still styled themselves as "Caesar"

But in Augustus and Tiberius' case it just seemed curious to me. Princeps strikes me as the descriptive title for the position in which Augustus gathered his powers, and Tiberius inherited this. Tiberius was also called Augustus within his lifetime IIRC, and that again is more of a "title" given that it was granted to Octavian by the senate.

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>>1680775
>Not recognizing the Divus Iulius as first of Ceasars of Res Publica.

>>1674621
He also conquered an entire province and was Cleopatra's lover.

>>1680741
Tiberius*
Caesar was just a title for the Emperors anyway

>>1675408
Caesar remained as a title for ruler long after the Julio-Claudians though, I mean it's literally the root of the titles Kaiser, Tsar, etc.

>>1675039
The first Emperor was Augustus

because the prestige of Caesar was instrumental in gaining legitimacy for the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Augustus and his degenerate relatives had to present Caesar as some sort of demi-god and hero of the late republic.

Chances are that if Augustus never came along Caesar would be about as memorable as Sulla or Cinna.

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Caesar was never Roman emperor.

Augustus was the first Roman Emperor.

Caesar became synonymous with being a Roman Emperor, therefore Caesar was the Roman Emperor.