ITT: Things the Soviet Union did right

>collapse

/r9k/ on suicide watch

>>1670462
fpbp

>>1670444
Collapse

>>1670444

The Soviet Union had a good science education system. however, their brilliant grasp of engineering was severally hindered by their poor grasp of economics.

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>>1670444
Make some decent music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBt1fzwJyOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT-A-_B2vfk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZLHsqOXFkc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2YlbiyiuMc
Plus the propaganda in terms of artistic direction was pretty top tier

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>>1670462
Came to post this

>>1670444
>first man, women and animal in space
>fuck up the wests university system

>>1670462
This.

Gorbachev and Yeltsin did nothing wrong.

>>1670444
>fuck with people this hard because they had opposing opinions
>good
Opposimg opinion is necessary for a nation to grow

>>1670545
The USSR was a an union of States, not a Nation.

>>1670543
>Yeltsin did nothing wrong
His privatization laws literally built the oligarch mafia state that is modern Russia.

>>1670462

Show my post on /r/4chan ;^)

>>1670444
Defeat Nazi Germany in WWII

>>1670554
Necessary for any group

>>1670444
legalize poovery
gr8 choons
give the west a legitiamte ideological opponent to unite against, thus encouraging workers rights etc (as a revolution would risk losing those rights to fascists or such, thus actually re-enforcing the current order. i.e. to get mild reform to the current system, one must threaten serious action.)

>>1670444
>Soviet dissident
>winning noble prize

nothing new here. the nobel prize was always a political award

>>1670444
made my mom and dad meet in Riga

but actually--occupy the baltics. I fucking wish the russians were back I hate my country so fucking much

t. part latvian part russian

>>1671687

why don't you like your country?

>>1671708
there is nothing here. everyone who has any ambitions leaves. it is a shithole and even the patriots you meet online probably live in the west, so don't listen to them. i only live here because i have to stay to take care of my parents now, and my father refuses to die anywhere but Riga. we have no future except as part of a greater union, in this case european union, because on our own we are a dying nation. i would prefer if the union would have been russian union though.

>>1671708
>>1671725
don't take me too seriously, though. I already feel bad about posting this. It's not really so bad. I'm mostly just especially bitter right now because my brother now has a job in America. I know that I speak better English than him, so it is difficult for me.

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>>1670462
I was gonna post this, beat me to it.

>>1671725
Name one objective criteria by which Soviet rule was preferable to EU membership

>>1671756
this is a personal thing. I prefer Russians because my father is Russian, we speak Russian at home, and that makes some things more difficult for us here. I understand why Latvians prefer the EU. In the end the point is the same. We are worthless as a independent country. I just would prefer a different master. Either way I am a poorfag with no prospects, but with Russians at least it is my people.

>>1671725
Maybe Latvia needs a cultural enrichment

>>1671777
So you prefer an incompetent, authoritarian, stagnating dictatorship over a democracy with civil liberties and economic growth, because the former is "at least my people"?

>>1670444
The Soviet Union was objectively a right-wing shithole

>no porn, repressed sexual desires because purity
>harsh on gays/trans
>no liberal media

>>1670462
Good lad

>>1670462
>>1670543
>>1670513
>>1671743
This took alot of wit, good job guys, you're super clever and funny

>>1671788
life doesn't change for me. In fact life was better for my family in Soviet times. I don't care about latvians like they don't care about me. I didn't even have citizenship here when I was young. Besides I think Russia is okay now, they would do better with another chance.

>>1671783
not even refugees want to come here kek

>>1670444

Purged political traitors and kicked Trotsky out
Modernised farming in most soviet states
50% of people were paid-per-item rather than hour so you could work as fast or slow as you like
Suppressed the reactionary church
Didn't pander to Jews
Encouraged citizens to be 'well rounded' with sports, literature etc.
Suppressed foreign media to give people a sense of heritage

Could go on...

>>1671813
you think economic stagnation and diplomatic isolation is "doing okay"?

I guess it's not my job to tell you what your country is like, but since independence, Latvia has had a lot of economic growth, as well as an increase in civil liberties. I don't know how you feel your family is being persecuted, but minorities, even Russians, are protected under EU laws, whereas being a marginalized minority in the Soviet Union was shit.

>>1671802
>harsh on gays

Proof? Or just something you repeat over and over because it 'sounds right'. The only homosexuals that were prosecuted were kiddy fiddlers and rapists. They had the same social standing as they do today...

>>1670462
what is this new epic meme?

>>1671833
the tuvans did just fine desu.

>>1671833
I am not trying to fight for return of Soviet Union. I was only 6 when it fell, and I do not remember much, but I am not one of those nostalgiafags. I think you misunderstood me a little bit. I would not want to go back to those times, but if it could have been my wish, all the Union Republics would have stayed together in a transition into a new state post-communism.

That said, late Soviet Union was not so dangerous as you think and most minorities were not "marginalized" any more than all other citizens were (like lack of democracy).

Clearly, the situation is different for everyone, and especially different for Latvians compared to Russians in Latvia, but I do not think numbers properly represent the way life here has changed.

>>1671834
why do you idiots always take such an unnuanced view of everything.

like every communist system, they pioneered a new wave of civil rights for "persecuted" groups which placed them in positions of influence, and, like in every other communist system, after successive policy failures, allowed those same groups to self-segregate so that it would be easier to purge them, as they slowly became rivals to the power structure.

both china and russia moved from initial policies of tolerance towards gays, liberated women, and minorities, to killing large amounts of them as they became rivals when the reforms started to cause people to starve.

no "proof" is going to show that they were only angels, or only evil. the problem with communism is the cycles of killing that follow the ecstatic phase of liberation

>>1671833
Also I forgot, I meant Russia is okay in that it is impossible to pretend Russia is scary oppressive bogeyman like it was during Stalin. Russia versus EU would probably only mean difference in economics and emigration/immigration patterns, not some harsh crack downs and deportations. And I do not care about sanctions on oligarchs.

>>1671864
>like every communist system, they pioneered a new wave of civil rights for "persecuted"

Not really, most of the time they just repeal all the old laws and don't put new ones in place. Homosexuality was very much looked down on in Soviet medicine despite Trots saying "Lenin decriminalised homosexuality"

>to killing large amounts of them as they became rivals when the reforms started to cause people to starve.

Again anything to back this up? If you're a traitor but gay you shouldn't be exempt from a purge.

>no "proof" is going to show that they were only angels, or only evil. the problem with communism is the cycles of killing that follow the ecstatic phase of liberation

Your tears say more than real proof ever could.

>>1670554
>Implying it wasn't all run by Russians
There's a reason the Russians are pissed off in the Batlics about having to be able to speak Estonians.

>>1671916
Or any local tongue.
They miss when they just had to know Russians and everyone else had to bend for them.

>>1671888
homosexuality was looked down on, but there were in fact policies in place elevating them, the same way as there were policies for uplifting women, ethnic minorities, jews, etc.

these kinds of minorities are useful for repressing the russian polity because they lack loyalty and the ability to be bribed by ethnic russian networks.

those same reformers, having done the dirty work of the inner party, are later purged, along with their supporters, hence,t he gulags. I never said they specifically targeted random gays.

there's a reason stalin was georgian and the majority of the bolsheviks were jews.

a similar dynamic occurred in every other single communist country.

as butthurt as you are, there was no singular "oppression" or "liberation," of any group of people.

communism is the process by which these forces, in their struggling, manage to make life worse for everyone.

if, in fact, they had simply been oppressed, or uplifed, things wouldn't have been nearly as shitty as they were. it's bringing this overt ethnic/ideological warfare into the realm of assigning food rations that gets people killed on a mass scale.

>>1671802
>no liberal media
Good thing though
>>1671834
>They had the same social standing as they do today...
Gay bashing in current russia is cray. And honosexuals are being associated with kiddy fiddlers pretty much by default

>>1671917
t. people who don't know what they're talking about

yes there are Russians in the Baltics. Yes, they grew up there and have lived there for generations. Yes, they speak their own language. Guess what, so do your Mexicans.

>>1671946
>Your Mexicans
1, I am not a burger.
2, I don't understand how that's any relevant.

>>1671957
replace with ethnic minority of your choosing in your country then and don't be deliberately obtuse

I won't argue with people about this if their minds are set, but I think you should at least try to understand where we're coming from. One day millions of us woke up and had no home.

>>1670444
Ironic how majority of the reddit/tumblr wanna-be commies are all NEETs themselves who imagine socialism to be a NEET utopia.

>>1671818
>Didn't pander to Jews
gr8 b8 m8

>>1673782
>Ironic how majority of the reddit/tumblr wanna-be commies are all NEETs themselves who imagine socialism to be a NEET utopia.
[citation needed]

>>1673812
'I don't know history'

>>1673861
Yeah, I can see you don't.

>>1673782
Same goes for /pol/acks.

Ironic that they want fascist/nationalist governments when their NEETism and asocialism would be looked down upon as antisocial and would be subject to monitors and a lot of suspicion.

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In Soviet Union, you don't find Waldo, Waldo finds you!

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>>1674012
>yfw he's mvd
he is the master at rooting out parasites for the interior ministery

>>1671916
it was not all run by Russians. Throughout the 70 year history more than 50% of the higher ups, military generals, and shot callers were all Ukranian. However, representatives from all the republics had a say in central government. They only chose to the Russian language because it was more widespread than others.

>>1670611
This.
Nobel prizes are literally the gold stars for grownups, they mean fuck all and are awarded for sucking up to whoever is running the show or helping their narrative. Malala won one for getting capped in the head and then spreading some next pacifist agenda against terrorism after not dying whilst all the other little gurls got fuck all because they weren't courier 6.
Win a VC or fuck off.

>>1671777
Then move back to Russia you disgusting 5th columnist

>>1671777
>ethnonationalism
Jesus christ, how horrifying

>>1671920
>communism is the process by which these forces, in their struggling, manage to make life worse for everyone.
So let me get this right, the peasants, the 90% of the society, in their struggle to make their lives better in the face of a willfully ignorant and hostile to change monarchy, made things worse for everyone else. Everyone else being who, exactly? The 10%? The aristocrats who were stripped of their rights and privileges, who would then lambaste the revolution and the peasants as ignorant dirty drunkards who spit on traditions and culture? Or the "intellectuals" who suddenly became so keen on writing literature of how they couldn't keep being the snowflakes they had been so far, and were now forced into the gray ranks of the uneducated simpletons in the mines and the factories? Literature, which would then be lauded in the West as a "seed for freedom in a totalitarian soil"? Where was that seed during the monarchy that it didn't blink an eye to the struggles of the 90%? Or was it too busy writing romantic novels for fighting for the czar? Maybe the seed simply couldn't give a shit about the worries of the commoners up until it got a taste?

>>1674627
I would leave, but my parents won't leave and I need to take care of them. I already said this

>>1674656
t. swede

enjoy your enrichment

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>>1674656
That's not necessarily ethnonationalism, though.

>>1673964

my man you have no idea how many times I've reflected upon this very tragically ironic point

>>1673782
>>1673964

It's almost like Commies and Nazis were both pretty retarded.

>>1670611
Actually there was a bunch of Soviet citiens who didn't migrate that got it, guess Russians gotta fuel their persecution complex though.

>>1674587
She got the nobel peace price, which is objectively the shittiest one.

>>1674945
This guy said one thing and then did the other thing.

>>1676179
When did he care about people's race apart from when Germany pushed him into it though?

>>1670462
opened the thread to post this

>>1671725
>>1671733
lel, do you actually believe russia would provide higher standard of living than eu?

>>1670462
this

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>>1674587
>all the other little gurls got fuck all because they weren't courier 6

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>>1674587
>whilst all the other little gurls got fuck all because they weren't courier 6

>>1676116
she got it along with a guy who had worked for years for child education and anti human trafficking campaigns, and they made her share it with her because india and pakistan were having their weekly border skirmishes.

>>1671975
Minorities here don't tend to miss the old days be cause they were the herrenvolk back then.
I do admit I have some problems with Russia in general so this may just be my prejudices speaking.

>>1670462
wew lad

>>1671807
>being this butthurt someone made the joke before you did

>>1673812
>>1673953
>not chowing about how Stalin purged a fuck ton of Jews from the original soviet government

>not knowing he sent a fuck ton to dumb fuck Siberia

>not knowing he almost purged a fuck ton of Jewish doctors

>>1676415
for me, personally, it would probably be around the same, aka id still be poor and my life would still be shit. However, russophobia would no longer be a state policy, so I would be happier

>>1676960
It's not like I don't understand your point, I'm just trying to get you to understand mine too. I understand that many people have such biases, though. But, it's not like I do not speak Latvian (in response to post that started this chain). I live here, of course I speak it. But I also speak Russian, and always will because it is my native tongue. I am not guilty for the crimes of the government that was a dictatorship on all its citizens (russians too).

>>1670525
>fuck up the wests university system

????

>>1670462
This

>>1671834
You do realize homosexuality was literally illegal until the collapse? I don't think it ever was prosecuted too much, though, but it was always there as an excuse to put someone to jail if it was deemed necessary. The more stuff like that you ban, the more power you have over your citizens.