/v/ will sometimes have these threads about which type of fans

>filthy Muslims
>Better than glorious Zoroastrians.

Stop being such a contraian, it doesn't suit you

>>1662874
Hoo boy, wait until you find out what Sassanid-era Zoroastrianism was like beyond "it wasn't islam". The parallels between the clergy then and the modern IRI's mullahs are pretty nifty.

Zartoshtis weren't all that great, jigar.

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>mudshits
>patrician

Pleb: Roman Empire
Contrarian: HRE
Patrician: Byzantium

For Germany it would be

pleb: 3rd Reich
fedora: 2nd Reich
patrician: never because Germany was always shit

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>>1662899
No.

Whoever told /pol/fags and ex-vikingboos about Byzantium started a terrible thing.

>>1662874
>literally claim descent from the last Sassanid shah to bolster their claim
>filthy Muslims


>>1662882
In general there's plenty of parallels between the two. I read a description of a Mazdaic mourning ritual for Siavash in central Asia of which Muharram is pretty much a direct knockoff.

>>1662921
Seriously, internet Iranians who jack off too hard to the Sassanids are basically the sand nigger version of your white american friend who calls himself an odinist and has been getting weirdly more racist lately.

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Kind of related I guess

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>implying this isn't accurate

>>1662882
True, Sassanid Persian Zoroastrianism had a highly nationalistic bent, but it's still the only religion to condemn slavery. Setting a slave free (regardless of nation of faith) was still one of the most pious things to be in the Sassanid era

>>1662921
Literally the 16th Century equivalent of fascists having a blinkered view of their countries history

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>>1662860
http://mapchart.net/world.html

>>1662860
You forgot
God-tier: parthian empire
Failed state-tier: seleucid empire

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>>1662860
Accurate.

The Achaemenids were Iranians emulating Mesopotamia and the Sassanids were Iranians just doing their own weird insular thing. But under Islam Iranians became the cultural core of an entire world civilization, admired and emulated by everyone from Delhi to Constantinople. And of course, the Safavids were the greatest manifestation of that culture.

I love the Achaemenids and Sassanids, but they never reached the same cultural brilliance as the Safavids.

>>1662958
Same for Christianity and Islam though. They didn't condemn it wholesale because both evolved in slave-based economies, so a total abolition would result in a total collapse, so they chose a gradual transition.

>>1662929
The jacking off is mostly Achaemenid centered in my experience. Bonus points for claiming that Cyrus the Great was a Zoroastrian and that he invented human rights.

>>1662970
Sorry?

>>1662882
>jigar

Also, unrelated, what is it with Iranians and liver? I get that "jigareto bokhoram" is an idiom, but what is its root? Is the liver supposed to be where feelings are kept like heart is in the West?

>>1663044
dat artwork

Requesting more Safavid art ITT.

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>>1663079
The best stuff is from the 16th and early 17th centuries. I think it got kind of crappy towards the later 17th century as they adopted European influences (the Mughals did a much better job of that).

I'll post a few.

>patrician
>a non-Zoroastrian Persian empire.

I think not.

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>>1663096

>>1663051
>Same for Christianity and Islam though.
>follows with a bunch of stuff that wasn't the same

No. Those are not the same as a faith that considers setting slaves free to be an act of extreme piety.

>>1663051
What transition was that? The one where slavery was only abolished less than 200 years ago in Europe and still continues to this day in some parts of the Islamic world?

That's not so much a gradual transition as it is a non-existent one.

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>>1663110

>>1663114
Except they both considered setting slaves free to be an act of extreme piety.

To be fair, most of the diaspora were brought up on 'fuck the mullahs,' without hearing dissenting opinion for most of their lives, whilst being fed a 'we wuz shahs n shit nigga' narrative by people with a superficial understanding of history, theology, etc

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>>1663120

>>1663121
Yet both still had slave societies. Funny that.

>>1663096
>>1663110
>>1663120

why do they have east asian eyes

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>>1663127

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>>1662860
Let me fix that for you, OP

>Pleb tier
Sasanid

>Contrarian tier
Safavid

>OK tier
Parthian

>Patrician tier
Achaemenid

>JUST tier
Seleucid

>>1662913
That's actually quite clever. I like it.

>>1663136
This. Glory to the King of Kings.

>>1662913
Love this

>>1663144
>you will never be so powerful god himself uses your rank as an analogy for his power

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>>1663132
Some people say it's because of Mongol influence, which was a huge factor in the history of Persian miniatures, but they actually looked like that before the Mongols with figures and faces influenced both by Central Asian and Byzantine art. To be honest I don't see what people mean when they say they look East Asian, they don't have epicanthic folds or anything.

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>>1663165

>>1662936
kill yourself

>>1663128

Because it was part of the economic system upon which arrived in the world. Both made the act of setting slaves free a great deed. Of course, setting all slaves free at once would crash the economy - so a gradual transition would make more sense.

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>>1662913
This actually made me think.

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>Pleb tier

Russian Empire

>Contrarian tier

Soviet Union

>OK tier

Kievan Rus

>Patrician Tier

Novgorod Republic

>JUST tier

Russian Federation

>>1662936
>DUDE EURO PAGANS LMAO

Please describe in detail why you think those faiths are "patrician".

>>1662906
You switched pleb and fedora around.

>>1662936
>christianity
>ultimate source of many master pieces of Western art
>pleb
top kek.

>>1662860
Egypt:
>pleb tier
Old Kingdom
>ok tier
Mubarak
>patrician
New Kingdom
>fedora
ptolemaic period
>JUST
post-Mubarak

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>pleb tier
British empire
>fedora tier
UK post 1945
>Patrician tier
Pre-Norman conquest England.

>>1662860
You are retarded.

>>1663361
fixed:

>pleb tier
pre-union England

>contrarian tier
Saxon Angland

>ok tier
Empire

>Patrician tier
pre-Roman Celtic Britannia

>Just tier
UK

>>1663376
>pre-Roman Celtic Britannia
More like Welsh nationalist masturbation fantasy tier.

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>>1663361
>pleb tier
Invalid.
>fedora tier
Victorian era
>ok tier
Modern Britain
>patrician tier
Thatcher-era (excluding her last days) and Elizabethan era
>JUST tier
50s-70s Britain

>pleb tier
Ming

>Contrarian tier
PRC

>OK tier
Han

>Patrician tier
Yuan

>JUST tier
Three Kingdoms

>>1662860
>Achaemenids/Median empire
>680 BC - 330 BC
>duration: 350+ years
>Arsacid/Sassanid empire
>247 BC - 651 AD
>duration: 898+ years
>Safavid/Afsharid empire
>1501 AD - 1796 AD
Sorry, no. Also the whole labeling things as "fedora" or "pleb" or "patrician" is fucking retarded. Sassanids would be more relevant to modern Iranians and Persians then the Achaemenids because Iranians have always known about their Parthian and Classical Persian roots for millenia, the Achaemenids weren't known until the early 20th century. Most of what represents modern non-Islamic Iranian culture stems directly from those times.

>>1663044
Iranians are Mesopotamian. Western Iran is part of the cultural boundary of lower Mesopotamia. And the Achaemenid Persians are simply extensions of the cadet branch of the younger ruling Median dynasty, who were directly influenced by the Neo Babylonians, Elamites, and Neo Assyrians in turn.

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>>1663398
>Also the whole labeling things as "fedora" or "pleb" or "patrician" is fucking retarded

>>1663384
Welsh are about as un-Celtic as you can be, do they honestly try to compare themselves to fucking Druids and Gaulic tribesmen?

>>1663410
t. pure blooded /his/ king

>>1663390
What about ROC

>>1663385
>Invalid
The British empire. Whilst fun to read about. Is entry level to the max. It's like the next stop after Doctor Who and Harry Potter for wannabe Brits.

>Modern Britain
If by modern you mean early-modern then yes, that's OK. If you're trying to suggest contemporary Britain is OK then I strongly suggest you fuck off.

>Thatcher-era (excluding her last days) and Elizabethan era
The Elizabethan era is also very entry level. It's also infinitely less interesting and important than the Stuart era.

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>>1663410

>>1663411
I dunno because I've never been to Wales and you couldn't pay me enough money to go to that sorry imitation of Mordor.

>>1663398
>Achaemenids/Median
>Arsacid/Sassanid
>Safavid/Afsharid
What the fuck are you doing?

>Sassanids would be more relevant to modern Iranians and Persians then the Achaemenids
If anything that supports OP's image.

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>>1662937
a better version desu

>>1662899
this and I'm not a /pol/fag

>>1663423
>What the fuck are you doing?
Not him but if you know anything about Iranian history you know the Medes and Achaemenids are from the same clan:
The Achaemenids are directly related to the Median royal family. Cyrus' mother is Astayges' daughter, his family is the junior line which is why Cyrus' father was the king of Anshan and Persia, and was the son-in-law of his father-in-law's vassal and a kavi.
>Arsacids/Sassanids
Two dynasties that are a direct continuation of the same pre-Islamic Empire. Further corrobrated by the fact the Sassanids utilized and employed the same confederations of Parthian royal families to prop up their military, government, and tribute system although more centralized, aggressive, and efficient then their Arsacid forbearers.

>Safavids/Afsharids
Nader Shah was more or less continuing the Safavid Empire while using the last Safavid's son as a figurehead. Iran/Persia was still united and ordered and he kept retaining the same government outside of usurping power till the death of his last successor.

>supports the OP
He just pointed out the Sassanids and Parthian dynasties were more long lived, and relevant then either the Achaemenids or Safavids.

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>>1662913

took me a second

>>1663415
Would probably stick it in OK (maybe Patrician) if we were grouping in every single polity/dynasty.

>>1662860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFgRtge2Ksk

thread related i guess lel

>>1663416
>If by modern you mean early-modern
Yes.
>rest of the post
I was judging them based on the eras themselves not on whether or not they were interesting. I agree though. British Empire and Elizabethan era are entry level along with the Victorian era.

>>1663358
>patrician tier
>not Roman Egypt

>>1663549
Thats actually nice

>>1662913
What is so clever? Spoonfeed me.

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>>1663611
made a template too

>>1663616
there is the meme version of rome often seen in movies, then there are people who read about it

>>1663626
And how is this represented in the image?

>>1663645
By stating that both plebs and patricians will prefer the Roman Empire. The implication is that they prefer them for different reasons.

>>1663651
Ahhh, sorry I'm dumb.

>>1662936
>Roman Reigns
>patrician

Pleb: FDR
Fedora: Reagan
Patrician: Andrew Jackson

>>1662997
Wtf does this map even represent?

>>1663390
>Actual Patrician Tier
Song Dynasty

>>1663702
If anything Fedora is Jackson, Patrician is Nixon

>>1663918
>Nixon
>Patrician
G. Gordon Liddy, plz.

Pleb: John
Fedora: Robert
Patrician: Ted

>>1662899

Pleb: HRE
Fedora: Byzantines
Patrician: Romans

>>1663926
No my name is actually Spire Ag-....Spiro Andrews...

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>>1663933
CUNT

>>1663937
Uh huh..know the number for a good group of plumbers, senpai?

>>1663939
I'm not Sirhan Sirhan, relax

Pleb:Post-liberalization Turkey
Fedora:Ottomans
Patrician:Seljuk Empire

>>1663941
Tapes? What tapes? I don't know anything about any tapes.

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>>1663208
And that's how they weren't the fucking same. The Zoroastrians were extremely anti-slavery, you putz. Whereas the Bible at least (I've never read the Quran, actually) has justifications for slavery built into it.

>>1663991
>Ottomans
>literally not shit tier after ottoman classical era

>>1663616
Plebian and patrician are both titles for citizens of the Roman empire.

>Trash tier
Antibellum Era
>Shit tier
1970's-80's USA
>Bad tier
Modern USA
>Pleb tier
1950's USA
>Fedora tier
1920's USA
>Patrician tier
1890's USA
>Elder God tier
1870's USA

>>1662913
Wrong, the Republic is the patrician's choice.

>>1664435
Cato pls.

>>1664086
>Not acknowledging the 1790s
>Not acknowledging the 1830s

It's like you've never considered anything beyond your own plebhole.

>>1664440
Rome died with the Repubic. That stinking bloat Empire that staggered on for the next few centuries deserved to be put down.

>>1664450
>Pax Romana started from Augustus and endured for roughly 2 centuries
>Period of unprecedented economic and social growth while the empire stabilized to greater heights and its furthest nominal extent
>bloat
>staggered
Fuck off Cato.

>>1662860
>Safavids
Hahaha
Isn't that that empire that was relevant for about twenty years and then constantly loss to the Ottomans?

>>1664861
>economic output of Rome peaks in 100 AD
>republic lasted for 600 years
>empire lasts barely 100 before the honeymoon ends and the death spiral begins in earnest

By the time of the dominate, it needed to be mercy killed.

>>1664878
>republic lasted for 600 years
>Social War
>Allied War
>Triumvirates
>Sulla
>Marius
Laughingplebians.png

>>1664450
Hey, Carthage was all delenda'd up. You did your job, bro.

>>1664889
Don't forget about the Servile Wars.

>>1664912
Or Spartacus Uprising which nearly destroyed the republic.

>>1664889
>first two the republic survived easily
>last three were the beginning of the empire

Doesn't change the fact that the empire stopped growing entirely only about 100 years in, and spent the next 300 in an unbroken death spiral of barbarization, civil warfare, and economic stagnation.

>>1664921
>death spiral of barbarization, civil warfare, and economic stagnation.
I'm sorry, are you still talking about the Republic? Because it sounds like you are.

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Vote Gaius Gracchus for Tribune of Plebs! He will Make the Republic Great Again!

>>1663648
This desu
Norman Sicily was a comfy place.

>>1664929
You're right.

Remember that time the empire defeated Carthage, while the republic struggled against Parthia?

>wait

Remember that time that the republic spent 20 years averaging a new ruler every weak, and was only partially restored as a broken husk of itself?

>wait

Remember when the republic got wrecked by literal refugees, while the empire beat the shit out of the Kimbri and Teuton armies?

Shit, we're getting nowhere. Remember when the republic debased their currency to the point of uselessness, and demonetized the entire economy of Europe?

Or what around that time that slavery and overtaxation in the republic were so harsh that the entire population of Europe declined for 600 years and only rebounded under Germanic kingdoms?

>>1662860
>Pleb Tier
Third Reich

>Fedora Tier
DDR/BRD

>Contrarian
First Reich

>Patrician
Second Reich

>JUST tier
Romanum Barbarorum

>>1664960
Remember that time the Empire was forced to cross under the yoke of the fucking Samnite rednecks? Or when the Republic managed to annex Britain?

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>>1664998
>republic survives samnite wars and eventually subjugates Samnites
>republic then proceeds to rape all of Alexanders generals, skullfuck Carthage and assume uncontested control of the Italian peninsula
>empire loses to teenagers in black makeup who listen to the Cure

Yes, having a massive peacetime military force that exists only to serve its own interests, and isn't constrained by a monarchy, a democracy, or theocracy is a great idea

Enjoy getting Gauled.

>>1664921
Last three were the Republic, not the Empire. The entire point of the start of the Principate period was because of the stability it brought after over a century of constant revolts, civil strife, civil wars, corruption, and power play by ambitious patricians and senators/generals who wanted more pwoer.

>>1663447
>Implying Astayges wasn't a mythical king made up by Darius to appease the masses of his coup
You're very blue pilled koskech

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>>1662860
Reactionary edition

>>1663816
More like the cuck dynasty

>>1663796
Hegemony, bitch.

>>1662997
>Spain, Egypt, Nicaragua and Russia in one group
>Sweden, USA, Papua and North Korea in one group
>Poland and Hungary somehow in different groups than Czechia and Slovakia
>Somalia and Japan in one group

Literally what in the fuck does this mean

>>1665599
There's literally a legend on the left, probably means that you are retarded.

>>1665613
Legend which explains literally nothing as it's just numbers.

>>1665617
You're retarded, no numbers needed.

>>1665627
So you just created a nonsensical shitpost map so you could insult people who don't understand it, got it.

>>1665640
Yep, now fuck-off, nigger.

>>1665489
>Cyrus's mother made up her father
>a man whose been attested historically
Yeah okay buddy.

>>1665651
t. Australian

>>1664870
No. The Ottomans and Safavids had 9 wars: of which the Persians won 3 wars, had two stalemates, and 4 losses. They were more or less even conflict.

>>1664086
>antibellum
lol, what is this like some hipster term for the Pax Americana?

>>1666026
He was trying to spell antebellum and failed.

>>1666030
I know, I was making a le funny, front page of r/4chan here I come!

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>>1665023
>empire loses to teenagers in black makeup who listen to the Cure

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Pleb: Roman Empire
Contrarian: Byzantium
Patrician: Ottoman Empire

>>1663390
>Yuan
>Not based Song or Tang
I wonder who's behind this post.

United States Presidents, 20th Century:

TURBO-PLEB: Kennedy
PLEB: Reagan, FDR
CONTRARIAN: Hoover, Taft, Ford, Carter, Bush 41
PATRICIAN: Theodore Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower
HIGH PATRICIAN: Nixon

>>1667101
Oy Tengri! It's like anudda Qing!

>>1667115
>Teddy
>patrician tier
He's even more pleb tier than Kennedy

>>1662860
You realize trying to label something patrician is in its self incredibly plebeian right?

>>1662913
>>1663936
>>1664932
Is there anything more obnoxious on this board than Romeboos?

>>1667564
byzzieboos

ottomanboos are up there too but they make those two butthurt so its alright

Pleb : Roman Empire
Fedora: Byzantine Empire
Contrarian: Ottoman Empire
Patrician: Russian Empire

Not even an empire: HRE

>>1664002
The Bible literally has you free all your slaves every 50 years

>>1663136
>Parthians above anyone in that list

OP was right, having the Achaemenids as your favourite makes you a total pleb.

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>>1662860

>>1667183
Specially when it's objectively worst than the supposed plebeian and fedora choices (still like Safavids tho).

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>>1662860
This is the ultimate iranian tier list

>>1663390
>Mongolshit
>Patrician
Replace Three Kingdoms with Qin

>>1662913
>>1667564
>>1667575
Can someone please tell what are Romaboos, Byzaboos and ottomanboos?

>>1668031
>Romaboos

People who are obsessed with the movie version of Rome and have a "fairy tail utopia" look at Rome.

>Byzaboos

see above but obsessed with its "unfortunate demise"

>Ottomanboos

Cenk Uygur saying the Ottoman Empire can do no wrong

>>1663244
>Pleb tier
Soviet Union

>Contrarian tier
Russian Republic

>OK tier
Russian Federation

>Pretty good tier
Russian Empire

>Patrician tier
Russian Tsardom

>>1668003
China is objectively better when ruled by non-Chinese

>>1668031
___boo is just someone irrationally infatuated with any current or historical country/polity, typically thinking that it was the greatest thing ever. Germaboos think gross germaniums is the best thing ever, byzaboos think byzantium is the greatest empire in the world, etc.

You're allowed to like learning about certain countries, be interested in their history, and just in general find them interesting. just don't be an idiot about it, essentially. I enjoy learning about Byzantium, but I'm actually interested in the historical context of it's existence, not just rambling about how it's "le successor to rome le patrician tier :DD patriarchs :D cataphracts greek fire :D :DDD"

>>1662860
>>1667673
God awful tier.

>>1662937
Who is the guy on the right?

>>1663385
>Thatcher-era

kys

>>1668509
>not just rambling about how it's "le successor to rome
Byzantium IS Rome, you dumbfuck. You're no different than the very byzaboos you shit on.

>>1665489
t. Hecataeus of Miletus

>>1663165
You do know Muslim Turkic art- which brought those styles to the ME- was also influenced by Chink one yeah?

>>1662936
Fuck off Varg.

>>1664002
In Islam freeing a slave is actually a worship done with one ownings.

>>1668210
Objectively true

>>1669274
>byzaboos claim that byzantium is not the Roman Empire
what?

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>>1663648

>>1669604
And then the Germans came and ruined everything.

>>1662936
This is why we educate ourselves.

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>>1669129
Horthy Miklós, Ellentengernagy, az Apostoli Magyar Királyság Kormányzója.
You are on a board which discuss history.
I hope the next thing you ask won't be "Who's Stambulov" or "What is the Kerensky offensive"
Get educated or leave this place immediately.

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>>1662937
Horthy was a monarchist as far as I know and not a fascist.
He deeply despised Szálasi and the other far-right nutjobs and even though he was impressed by how Hitler shaped a bitter Germany into an economic superpower, he didn't like him. Even the Führer know this and we know this by the fact that he wrote about their first meeting: it was unpleasant because Horthy was cold and didn't lick his ass.
The guy was truly a leader, almost an authoritarian one sometimes, but no, he wasn't fascist, nazi, or any far-right buzzword you can think of.

>>1667115
>Truman
>Patrician
>Kennedy
>Turbo-pleb
Truman should be in the pleb tier, Kennedy should be in the patrician. With FDR and Reagan I'm OK, since both Keynesianists and Monetarists bring them up as either the devil or the messiah, and it's always funny to watch them argue.

>>1667638
>Arsacid dynasty lasted just shy of 500 years
>with the same rough frontiers and territorial borders relatively with the Achaemenid, Sassanid, and Safavid dynasties
They were cool, dude.

>>1664953
>Plebeian
Colonial
Empire
Old Republic
New State
Dictatorship
Federative Republic

>Fedora
Pre Colonial

>Patrician
lol

>>1667657
>>1669977
Good posts.

>>1669696
Never said he was. He was, however, the head of state of an Axis nation.

The original image had Antonesceu and Boris III on it as "Retardation" and "Token Good Guy", respectively.

>>1669712
Parthians a shit, A SHIT

>>1663409
>Iranians are Mesopotamian

What? So the Romans were Greeks?

>>1663358
Shouldn't fedora/contrarian be Abbasid Caliphate?

>>1664435
This.

>>1662937
Aren't monarchists the ultimate contrarians? Nobody has ever given a good reason for monarchies apart from "their uniforms look cool".

>>1670620
>Nobody has ever given a good reason for monarchies apart from "their uniforms look cool".
I want you to look into Radish mag, most of the enlightenment (which was not predonominantly Republican, but executive monarchist), the NRx movement in general, or Monaco.

>>1667078
turkroach go pls

>>>/int/

>>1665599
All the Somalis I know are massive weebs

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>>1669696
>>1669667
>every Hearts of Iron from 2 onward has labeled Horthy a fascist
>2 even lumped him in with the Arrow Cross
>no options ever but to align with Hitler

I really need to learn how to mod HoI4 so I can fix this shit.

>>1670668
HoI4 is utter shit, don't waste your time with it.

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>>1670676
I already bought the Field Marshall edition to play with friends. I might as well salvage what I can.

For what it's worth, I find it fun while acknowledging it's not as complex as HoI3. I just wish you could still see all the events and notices that are happening to other nations.

>>1663390
>JUST
How tf did you not put the Qing?

>>1667657
>no carlists

>>1670676

Mods are improving it. You should check out Black ICE.

>>1670676
play DH with Kaiserreich or even Vicky 2 with HPM instead/

>>1670843
Mods cant fix a broken game. And Black Ice is a fucking joke, even for HoI3.
>>1670854
>sHitPM
I know gsg and reddit loves shilling that bloated garbage, but come on.

>>1670887
the flavor thou, the details is what makes it

>>1670887

Look. Crusader Kings 2 is what? 4 years old now?

Its not the same game as it was back then even if you didn't buy a single DLC.

Give it time.

>>1670910
Yeah and it keeps getting worse with every DLC. Same goes for EU4, which was never good. Paradox is literally the EA of the strategy genre.

>>1670887
>Mods cant fix a broken game.
4 isn't a broken game, it's a shitty game, there's a difference. It's probably the best one so far under the hood.

>>1670933

Maybe these games aren't for you.

I've logged maybe 500 hours of Crusader Kings 2 and 400 hours of EU4. Maybe 60 hours of HOI4.

These games aren't bad.

Maybe your just too autistic about your video games.

Have you tried Gary Grigsby's War in the East?

HOI3 was OK, but it had too much micro which is why I still get frustrated with Vicky 2 in the later year Great Wars.

>>1670620
>Nobody has ever given a good reason for monarchies apart from "their uniforms look cool".
An argument could be made that having someone trained since birth to be the leader of the nation is a virtue of that form of government. Although imo history showed that monarchies merely produce a very mixed bag of good and bad leaders who are just as self interested as any other dictator, but there you have it.

>>1663120
THICK

>>1669274
No, you dumbfuck, Byzantium WAS Rome

>>1664998
>Or when the Republic managed to annex Britain?

No, but I remember when they ass-raped every single major power in Europe and the near east.

Oh, but good job annexing some shit-covered bongs, empire.

>>1671410
>ass-raped every major power in in Europe and the Near East
Nice fanfiction.

>>1670135
Fuck off Crassus, your dead.

>>1662860
>Safavids
>not Samanids

>>1663385
>Thatcher Era

Thank god she's dead.

>>1665651
You know, if you're the only one who "understands", chances are pretty big that you're the retard.

>>1671358
I forgot how common it was for patricians to die of sodomy by bowie knife.

>>1672260
>barely a century

>>1664435
this x 10

>>1673634
If you wanted quantity over quality you could just be a Byzaboo

>>1669667

TRIANON

>>1670887
BICE is turbo autism. You speak heresy with your lies.

>>1670668
Same shit with Antonescu and the Iron Guard. It's true that he collaborated with Sima for the short-lived "National Legionary State", but he intended to co-opt the movement the same way Franco did with the Falanga after Jose Antonio's death.

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>>1662997
>South Africa tier 1
>Western Euripe tier 2

WEW LAD
E
W

L
A
D

>>1673658
No, because I'm an Iranboo.

>>1670676
>>1670887
Fuck off to your containment discord, Yugoshit.

>>1671635
>Punic Wars 1-3
>Mithradatic Wars
>The Defeat of Tigranic Armenia?
>The Subjugation of Greece?
>The absolutely assrape of the Seleucids, over and over.

The only major power in the Mediterranean that the Republic can even be questioned in beating is Ptolemaic Egypt, but at that point they were hardly a major power any more.

Who did the Republic not defeat?

>>1674001

ieși acasă, Radu

>>1674254
>Punic Wars
>3
Meme bullshit.
>Mithradatic Wars
Pontus was a powerful by small kingdom and was getting on the Parthian Empirse nerves, they were never going to last long.
>Tigranic Armenia
Meme.
>Greece
You mean beating the Selecuids and Antogids? Who were both laughing stocks at this point? Sure I guess.
>ass rape of the Seleucids
They were already getting their shit pushed in by the Arsacid dynasty aka the Parni/Parthians and were reduced to a rump state after Antiochus III.

Not as great as you make them out to be.

>>1669342
I'm not sure what you're talking about. The Central Asian influence on Islamic painting came from the Sogdians and Sassanids, who were themselves influenced by a mix of Indian and Greek art. Major Chinese influence only came with the Mongols.

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>>1674259
t. tigan muntean

>>1674001
That's a little different, though. Antonescu had deeper roots with his own country's fascist/national socialist party than Horthy. Antonescu didn't literally slap the shit out of Iron Guard members for demanding their leader be released from prison, for example.

>>1674293
He had no roots. He was a career militaryman embodying the spirit of the 'old regime'. His collaboration with the Iron Guard was a result of realpolitik, same as Franco. The Legionary rebellion was a direct result of Antonescu's attempt to contest Sima's leadership and subdue the Iron Guard.

>>1669274
>didn't speak Roman
>weren't Roman catholic
>situated nowhere near Rome
>weren't a republic whatsoever

>>1674319
He resigned his post and appeared at Codreanu's trials as a character witness, m8.

I'm not saying he wasn't more nuanced than just "lol he's a Nazi", and he definitely did clamp down hard on the Iron Guard when they finally went totally batshit in 1941, but he wasn't as removed from it as Horthy was.

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>>1674338
And I perceive that as an act of pragmatism in a context in which legionarism was clearly on the rise. He gambled on that just as he later on gambled on usurping Sima's role by taking on the green shirt. That's why I also draw a parallel to Franco that actually managed to tame the Falanga.

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>>1662860
>Non Zoroastrian Empire
Pleb tier

>>1674327
>>didn't speak Roman
Stopped reading right there. You might as well kill yourself now, master b8er.

>>1674327
Rome stopped being important to the empire in the early 3rd century AD nigga.

>>1668210
YES

>>1670701
Tbh. it would be more "complex" than it is if the AI would be any kind of competent. Currently it can't even replace light tank brigades by medium tank brigades and neither it can react on you spamming armour in their general direction by equipping infantry with more AT guns, so you don't have to try too much. Investing in medium tanks will give you "outarmoured" advantage all the way to 1943-1944 even with most basic models and as such all nuance the game could have is outweighed by the ability to spam these fucking shits.

For even better result - do medium SPG's instead of medium tanks. Support those medium division with infantry equipped with tons of artillery and you're golden.

>>1664004
While the economy and army went to shit the art and music became god tier in the later eras.

>>1670631
>denying the comfiness of the ottoman empire

You are a nigger of the mind

>>1665505
>Bulius Ebola and de Maso
>reactionary
Pick one!

>>1665574
I guess it takes a fedora to cuck a dead patrician.

>>1665604
Patrician, pleb and fedora.

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>>1676825
dont talk shit about kalinin the man's got a hard life

>>1676845
Fuck, thought that was Trotsky, lel. My bad.

>>1663991
>russia btfoed ottomans about ten times out of twelve
>shit tier
Hmmm.

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>>1662860

>>1670933
>waaah conclave and reaper's due made the game difficult and this is bad waaaaaaah
Literally get good, CK2 ain't difficult.

>>1663070
iirc it's a holdover from medieval medicine since it's not a thing in old or even Middle Persian. The thought was that since the liver is inflamed by booze that it was the seat of all the passions. So it's sort of kind of doing the same work as 'heart' in the sense of passion.

More spiritual/enlightened aspects of the western 'heart' are the role of 'Jaan' though, which is more someone's spirit/soul.

>>1669667
How2get educated

>>1676878
The civil side of their empire sucked hard.
Just look at how many major famines happened in the ottoman empire and how many happened in the russian empire.

>>1670285
In the middle east they were indeed perceived as a continuation of the greek powers that had been there since Alexander's arrival. Alexander is sometimes called 'a roman' in persian/zoroastrian sources.

Anon just meant that as a civilization Achaemenids were but a continuation of a series of oriental empires that also included Babylon and Assyria.

>>1670802
They're bourbons.

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>>1662860

>>1678013
Nice one

>>1676241
Golden truth right here.

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>>1662860

>>1662860
b-but Sanasanians controlled more land and take Roman empire Valerian as a foot stool.

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>>1680595

>>1663390
No no you fuck it goes like this:

>pleb tier
Han

>contrarian tier
Qin

>OK tier
Yuan

>Patrician tier
Chu

>JUST tier
Qing

>>1674264
Ok, who did they not ass rape?