Is suicide wrong?

>>1653885
Yes. The government loses another tax payer

Not for weebs

No, and neither is it ''selfish''.
It's more selfish to expect someone to suffer just because you'd be a bit sad if they offed themselves.

>>1653885
It's the only thing that you can't regret doing in your life

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>>1653914
I see, what if the person had children wouldn't that make them selfish for leaving his child behind?

>>1653930
Good one

>>1653934
At that point I suppose it becomes selfish, yes.
Although if the child is left with what ever they may need for a happy life it's sort of questionable.

>>1653885
>Thales said there was no difference between life and death. "Why, then," said some one to him, "do not you die?" "Because," said he, "it does make no difference."
-Diogenes

>>1653914
no one size fits all. suicides can have a very different impact depending on the circumstances

It's retarded.

> Have life
> Waste it because of emotions
> Decide not to do something outrageous or fun before you off yourself

The world is yours to explore and you can manipulate what you can. Do something crazy or fun before you kill yourself. Do something that somebody with something to live for wouldn't do.

>>1653893
That's wrong, though.

They lose a taxpayer, but they also have one less person who will draw on social benefits in old age. So basically the government has gotten all of the taxes you paid before your death for free.

>>1654075
>why kill yourself when you can jerk it in an urn in the market?

not the worst philosophy tbf

>>1654268
This post is literally the same thing anyone that has never wanted to kill themselves says

I tried to jump of a bridge, believe me if you want I pussied out. Still struggle with it every day.

But being alive is always better than being dead, you will be dead soon enough, but you may never live again - suicide is the weak way out.

>>1654285
I had suicidal thoughts in middle school and I agree with the guy you replied to.

Why shouldn't you go out with a bang?

>>1654299
Of course the ideal situation would be in a avant garde grand finale but an actual depressed person doesn't think in those terms. They want the misery to stop as soon as possible and being disconnected from everything else by pure sadness can make a person do things they might not do with a better judgment.

>>1654269
>social security
>this is what millennials believe

>>1654309
True, I know what you mean when I think about it.

Honestly if you're suicidal, wait. Usually, people act on the spur of the moment, judgement clouded by emotions.

Be rational about it, think of the possibilities of how to fix your issues causing you to have these suicidal thoughts, and then make an informed decision whilst in a clear state of mind.

If there is no other reasonable solution aside from suicide, only then should you consider it. Furthermore, don't think suicide is easy. It takes quite a bit of research and planning, e.g an excuse for missing work, planning the method of suicide (I know for hanging yourself you have to take into account weight and length of rope etc) and making sure you won't get interrupted.

Suicide shouldn't be a moral decision - it's a choice made by an individual that decides what they want to do with their life.

If you're having suicidal thoughts, speak to someone like a therapist, and if they can't help you go ahead. As long as you've rationally thought about it, who am I to tell you how to live?

>>1654268
>giving advice to suicidal people
>expecting it to make a difference

You're trying to put out a forest fire with a pail of water, Anon.

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>>1653885

>wrong

>>1653934
Depends how old the child is and can the person take care of the child

>>1655094
But suicide kills the ego.

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>>1654268
I have very little money and everything is expensive here, depression fucked my school plans, I finally got the courage to drop out this year and now Im 25y old depressed virgin with welfare money

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>>1655110
Lol, /his/torian btfo. How will he ever recover?

>>1653885
"Wrong" is a loaded word, but I do thing it's foolish. You only have one life, suicide is just wasting it. Now maybe if you're at the end of your life and you're suffering and know for certain that there's no way out, you could make a good argument for suicide. However, if you're a young person suffering from a chemical imbalance in the brain, there are much better options. And I say this as someone who has depression (passed down on my father's side) and thinks about suicide constantly.

>>1655201
All lives are wasted

>>1655213
If all lives are wasted then none are wasted. "Wasted" implies that there's a way that they can't be wasted, that there's some lost potential there. Your argument is self-defeating.

Anyways, the only way to waste your life is by ending it, you're cutting your own rare experience of sentience short.

>>1655247
>"Wasted" implies that there's a way that they can't be wasted
No it doesnt

>>1655247
Devil's advocate: a way to avoid life being "wasted" would be to not create it in the first place.

Not that I'm fond of anti-natalism.

>>1655264
Do I need to start pulling out the dictionary?

Face it, you made a careless statement.

>>1655272
wasted
ˈweJstJd/
adjective
adjective: wasted

1.
used or expended carelessly or to no purpose.

All lives are expended to no purpose

>>702686588 #

>>1655280
Again, that implies that there's some lack of a purpose that could conceivably be fulfilled if certain conditions were in place. There's a difference between something being "missing" and something not being there in the first place.

Before we get into a semantics game, I just want to make it clear that you're the one who replied to my post which had a very specific definition about the word "waste", you can't just change it to suit your needs.

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>They tell us that suicide is the greatest piece of cowardice... that suicide is wrong; when it is quite obvious that there is nothing in the world to which every man has a more unassailable title than to his own life and person.

If you believe all human life is valuable, then it's wrong.

>>1654268
David 'Ali' Sonboly, is that you?

>>1655295
There was no clearly implied definition of waste in the post I replied to, regardless lack of a purpose does not imply there conditions under which purpose can actually it exist. Being able to conceive of something does not imply its possible for that thing to have external existence

>>1653885
Suicide is wrong in the sense that it makes everyone else feel annoyed that someone had the nerve to win the game.

The idea that a finite life is worth anything at all is a Sunk Cost Fallacy.

Don't believe me? The smartest people in the world are obsessed with cryogenics.

>>1653885

There's nothing wrong with anything.

>>1655019

It's usually loosely planned anyway, up until the "straw that breaks the camels back".

I can't remember where I heard this, I think maybe a documentary about people jumping from the golden gate Bridge. They say as soon as you jump, your worries shrink to nothing.

Yes.

>>1655104
If dying is part of your self interest who gives a fuck anyway

>>1655295
Eyeballs are hairless
>well I guess that implies eyes can grow hair

>>1655110
>the courage to drop out
You mean cowardice? Ya big pussy

I think it would be too popular if it was encouraged as an alternative

Until today, I took I hiatus off 4chan for the last 2 - 3 months, for reasons. I remember now why I stuck around, when I found this place 5 years ago,
I'm aware this is nothing but self-insulgence, but not being here has been the worst Ive felt for years
This is my life support

>>1656746
Whatever, the term doesn't make a difference. It takes guts to be a coward anyway because of social pressure.

>>1657959
>>This is my life support
>coven of angry shitposting autists is your life support
You truly have my condolences.

>>1654317
Guess you can say he really made you think..

>>1658011
Honestly my everyday interactions have felt 10 times harder
For better or worse I feel enfranchised coming here regularly
I am more than aware that I am a lost cause, but you do what you can

>>1655280
>implying wasted has an objective meaning unless it's been specifically outlined and agreed upon by the participants of this thread.

Laughing @u rn senpai

>>1658011
To be honest, 4chan IS empowering.

You can post whatever you want the same way the "angry shitposting autists" can, even if you're not one of them.

There's no unfair bullying in here. They can tell miserable things to you but you can reply back without any fear of getting your ass kicked and your life wrecked (unless, of course, you post info about yourself but that's an exception to the overall rule of anonymity here).

>>1658046
Just to clarify myself: 4chan is empowering compared to real life or other social networks where you can't have that same power, NOT compared to the other posters, because when everyone is empowered, nobody really is.