Witch Hunts

they were the feminists

clearly our old relatives knew how to deal with that shit

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Imagine no religion.

>>1650526
>they were the feminists
That's an interesting interpretation. Why do you think that?

I have heard it referred to as the Woman's Holocaust, (I’m not to sure what the overall figures)
By coming down with great power and furious vengeance on those who oppose the name of the Lord,will scare the bejesus out of anyone who actually is a possible threat and ensure that they will tow the line, as the victims have provided a perfect example for what happens to those who don't.

>>1650526
*tips*

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>Muh witches
Yeah, because men were certainly never tortured and killed en masse for superstitious reasons.

honestly witch hunts are vastly overrated

the record of inquisition trials were 50.000 at most in a range from 1200 to 1700, and from those only 2-5% end in executions and shit like that

in fact in the early inquisition days executions were forbidden even for cases of heresy and such

>inb4 records were manipulated

the inquisitions had an autistic amount to detail in their records, like the prices of the equipment ropes used and shit like that

probably inquisitions got really fucked up at the same time europe became a shithole because of all the late medieval wars, religion wars and general indifference toward violence

>>1650581

nigga we don't have burnt stakes and we have the highest amount of dykes and feminist in all our history

It was mostly misunderstandings and old pagan stuff, probably, along with a small subset of actual witches who probably deserved to get fucked.

>>1650643
Not sure if bait. Men were executed for witchcraft as well.

>>1650515
YEEHAW

WEZ FREE FROM THAT GOSHDANG CATHULIK CHURCH

*gasp*

LAWDY LODY

DUH INFALLIBLE BOOK SAY KILL DUH MAGIC WITCHES!!

GIT THAT THUR BOI WITH ASTHMA! HEZ SUMMONING DUH DEVIL!!

Braise Luther

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>>1650515
depends...they were less numerous than most people think and while no doubt many innocents were harmed sometimes the "witches" got what they deserved. pic related.

Ergot poisoning and easy way to steal property

>>1650515
>What was the real reason they were done?
After you start paranoia machine witch hunt campaign becomes a tool for regular people to get rid of people they just don't like -- neighbours, competitors, disliked family members

There were a few cases where witch hunt processes started because disgruntled children called their mother a witch.

Witchery is real
desu we need more Demonologists and witchcraft trials to return. Demonologists will study for signs of Satan and the court will hang witches.

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Have some old art of witches getting what they deserved

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>>1653027
[spoiler]My personal fave[/spoiler]

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>>1650515
Primitive accumulation and the creation of the working class.

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>>1651145
Demonologist sounds like a pretty cool profession desu

>>1650515
Witches were real, that was the real reason. What is with this recent trend of explaining supernatural phenomena through le secular rational lens?

>>1650515
Most prominant witchrcaft act in britain rarely if ever called for execution, and maximum sentence was usually one year imprisonment.

>>1650515
The witch hunts need to come back

>>1653161
They still exist in south africa.

>>1650515
Anyone who said otherwise than the church or treathened its power in anyway was called an heretic, a witch, etc. And it has wiped out every other form of religion like that. Bye natural paganism. Welcome sheeples.
And now if you want, you can become even more sheeples by taking islam in.no? Too late, your politicians already chose for you.

FUCK RELIGIONS

>>1653671
M'lady

>>1653671
Cut yourself with that edge

>>1650683
You're speaking about the spanish inquisition, most murders were done either by german peasants or by the lowland's inquisition witch were traitor hunts rather than witch hunts

>>1651021
A witch burnt by a Catholic kingdom would have to refused to recant what they did or recant and then keep performing witchcraft.

Protestants just burnt witches and let mob rule and emotions dominate.

Hence why more witches died in protestant lands than Catholic ones.

>>1654159
So protestants weren't pussies like the catholics, got it.

>>1650515
Anatoly Fomenko states that the catholic church was attempting to rid the world of old world knowledge and replace it with their version of history to ensure their control on the western world. His work also states that the dark ages were predominately fabricated and that it coincided with the Muslim expansion which destroyed the final remnants of classical civilization and replaced the Roman Empire with the holy Roman Empire of the Vatican.

Isaac Newton also has writings about his suspicion that the church had made an attempt to revise history.

>>1650515
Generally anyone who was mentally kooky was taken for possessed and/or a witch. Anyone sane recanted under torture and was generally let go after punishment/penance. To be burned, you had to be exceptionally unlucky or so fucking bonkers you couldn't save yourself.

Why were women more likely to be burned at the stake than men? Partly a false view of the past (plenty of men were killed too), partly because being a woman plain fucking sucked. We talk about patriarchy, and I know on 4chan that's a trigger word for /pol/ types, but seriously... medieval Europe was a patriarchy.

Imagine you live amongst a bunch of uneducated superstitious peasants (including your priest) who take Tourette's syndrome or menopausal hot flashes for the mark of the devil. Herbal remedies, astrology and fortune telling and shit were also popular and typically the business of older widowed women.

>>1651138
>>1651130
These, too.

I mean, we have the modern phrase 'witch hunt' for a reason. Even past scholars realized shit was exploited to settle scores.

>>1654242
Lots of people were burned for having heretical books like gnostic texts or hermetic writings and or writing that the church did not like. The age of the inquisition was predominately a hunt for unapproved information.

>>1650996
I don't want to be taken for enabling that identpol shithead but witchtrails were an almost exclusively women centered phenomenon, according to my history teacher.

The inspirational Malleus Maleficarum is apparently oddly packed with "fucking BITCHES" language.

>>1654271
Yea, but how many peasants and urban poor were reading censored material?

>>1654292
It could have been in circulation among merchant classes. Heretical texts are readily mentioned via old church records and have been documented as being burned in mass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_book-burning_incidents

>>1654316
Heretical books, the Tor of its day.

>>1650515
>It's not just because of superstition, right? I don't imagine people were that stupid to use that alone as a reason to kill people.

Bluntly, you need to read more. Early modern people were not late modern people. There are still witch hunts in some parts of the world where you can see the mindset in action.
http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/papua-new-guineas-tragic-witch-hunts/
Witch hunting died out in the West more or less exactly as belief in witchcraft died out among the elite.

>>1654316
There were tons of mass book burnings during the reformation in Europe. Not the only period of mass book burnings but it is significantly massive.

The Catholic Inquisition was set up by the 4th Lateran Council in 1215 A.D. by Pope Gregory 9th to institutionalise what had been going on for years.

Its purpose was to seek out and destroy heretics (the enemy within) pagans (the enemy without), and witches (the hostility to sex and women).

It was handed over in 1232 to the Dominicans (Domini canes "the hounds of the Lord"), the Papal secret police. The Inquisition was dissolved in 1870.

Only in 1982 did the Church admit the inquisition was a "mistake" note: not immoral or wrong.

>>1654563
>the Dominicans (Domini canes "the hounds of the Lord")

Uh, no, that would be because they were founded by one Saint Dominic de Guzman

>>1650515
A farce, mass hysteria plus medieval believes = lots of dead people

>>1650515
I've always wondered what made people so.... cruel? Tying up someone then giving them to the flames while they're screaming and fighting is some grade A sadism. How did people back then manage it? I remember hearing that public executions were also social gathering and we're attended like how we would see a movie

>>1656465
Only ones who refused to recant even at the pyre were burnt alive and from what I recall they were rare, at least for inquisition burnings. Not sure about protestants.

If you begged forgiveness at the last minute then they'd strangle you and just burnt your corpse.

Medieval version of Bread and Games

>>1656476
AFAIK, protestants in Europe love to burn those witches alive. Hell, there were even girls as young as 9 years old that were burnt after testifying against their parents. And no that's not some atheist drivel, it was real and recorded in a German town

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It was the secretly Satanist aristocracy controlled establishment purging the occult scene of any white witches and cunning folk who opposed their influence

Most victims were likely not full-fledged witches, as others had said it was a convenient way for a community to rid itself undesirables, but it allowed for the key targets to be reached

Satanic black witches have often forcefully recruited the white witch lines into their fold, sign the Luciferian pact and acknowledge their supremacy or face organized misfortune, but those that successfully resisted had to be taken care of

Much of European history is the conflict between the black and white mages among the old nobility, the successors of the ancient mystery schools and keepers of the esoteric wisdom not fit for profane eyes, the Freemason movement was designed to be a meeting ground between the two, hence the checkerboard floors of the lodges

people don't realize that white witches often held Christian, usually Gnostic beliefs and utilized angels and saints into their workings, the Virgin Mary with her lunar trappings and pagan title as Queen of Heaven was considered a guise of the Goddess, she's the one who crushes the serpent underfoot, dominating the phallic symbol

Satanists are violent misogynists, in their rituals the Horned God takes precedence over the Goddess who must serve him, whereas traditionally it is the Goddess who is the Queen and the Horned God is the Beast who must be domesticated by the harvest mother of agricultural civilization

I've always wondered if the Romanovs were another casualty in this near ancient conflict, it almost seemed like those girls and their brother were being trained by Rasputin for something, they lived such ascetic lifestyles and Merovingian-descended royals have always considered themselves at least royal Davidic Judaeans ruling a Danite elite behind closed doors, if not direct descendants of Christ

How would being burnt at stake felt like? Would die quickly or would you actually burn alive slowly?

>>1656523
depends on how it's done, but iirc you actually die from the smoke inhalation before the flames get to anything vital, it's still excruciatingly painful and your nose might've melted off a bit before you pass out

there was actually a practice of loved ones hanging small pouches of gunpowder around the victims' necks so it would blow their heads off quickly into the process so as to lessen the amount of suffering they have to go through

it was allowed because as long as they went up in that purifying flame, the soul would be cleansed according to the prevailing barbaric beliefs of the time

>>1650515
>What was the real reason they were done?
Same reason a crisis / mass hysteria is used by anyone these days; land/wealth grab and a way to settle grievances without anyone prying to deeply.

>>1656465
>I remember hearing that public executions were also social gathering and we're attended like how we would see a movie
Oh come on stop pretending you wouldn't start attending these things if they started burning people again.

>>1653025
Did she just cum? It's strangely erotic. That girl from Berserk who gets off on seeing people get burned at the stake, now I can somehow understand her.

>>1656631
I would be really interested in knowing how much did eroticism play into all these witch hunts. Because its role is apparent in at least the depictions of it.

Anyone got anything on this?

>>1656513
This might be a good inspiration for an isekai fantasy web novel antagonist.

>>1656644
>live life as a holedigger
>poor as fuck
>poor nutrition has made me short and mottled
>baker's daughter is always nice to me
>now that she's finally 13 and of marrying age I want to ask her to be my wife
>muster up the courage to ask her
>she tells me I need to ask her father
>(feels like she's making excuses desu)
>I ask her father
>he laughs in my face
>tells me to get my holedigging ass out of here
>feel depressed
>dig a few holes to clear my mind
>time for the town meeting
>accuse the baker's daughter of being a witch
>she can't pass the tests that would clear her
>local drunk says he saw her fiddling with herbs
>obviously not true, but who cares
>she's off to the stake
>I go home
>masturbate furiously while I can hear the townspeople cry out of blood
>finish while she's screaming
>go back to digging holes
>fucking bitch should've said yes

>>1656694
I feel like this is ridiculous by also plausible. It begs the question how townspeople would willingly condemn someone they've known their entire life to a violent and gruesome death. It's easy to be barbaric and violent to your enemy when life is cheap, but how could it be so easy towards your neighbor?

>>1656713
>but how could it be so easy towards your neighbor?

>why is she always fucking around with herbs
>weird woman, never going to church
>I think that harlot showed some ankle the other day
>Wait, so if she's gone there's no one in her family anymore and her land's up for grabs?
>I heard someone say she sleeps with the devil himself!
>I've totes seen it with my own eyes, she even hissed at me!

It's all about escalation and undesirables.

>>1656713
The terror that ignorant savages have towards the unknown is amazing.

Look at modern rural africa for example.

I read the log of a missionary who wrote about how even the nicest and most easygoing natives went from kind and hospitable to vitriolic and furiously violent when the subject of witches came up. His own friend would scream for blood

>>1656631
You know, I've been thinking about how burning people is the closest thing people back then have to porn. A screaming young girl tied naked to a stake is hot as fuck, I'd be lying if I won't fap to that.
>>1653050
Such as in this case where the people and artists couldn't find someplace to express eroticism, they'd use naked witch burnings to express it

>>1656644
Eroticism plays a huge part in the witch hunts. The maleficarum is basically a really long rant of a robot about how women manipulate everything and why they should be burnt to expose their parts

>>1656713
You underestimate the things people would do in the name of greed

>>1656602
If those people getting burned are child rapists and the like I wouldn't mind. But most of the time they are burning innocent people

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>>1656631
>>1656644

witches have always been highly eroticized, just as the Devil figure is a satyr, the witches who consort with him are as daughters to the nymphs

Pan was always surrounded by lusty women in various states of undress, just as in a Black Mass orgiastic naked witches conjured Satan, both happening deep in the woods

in regards to the witch hunts, it's very hard to imagine that the practice of inquisition and witch-finding wouldn't attract sadists of every stripe

the tests these girls and women were put through are so bizarre and demented they sound like they'd almost belong in a modern fetish dungeon if they weren't so extreme

>>1656976
>the tests these girls and women were put through are so bizarre and demented they sound like they'd almost belong in a modern fetish dungeon if they weren't so extreme
Indeed, they're some of the kinkiest and cruelest torture devices ever made and some are still in use today

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>>1657033
If it really happened as exaggerated as that.

>>1657089
You can find some of those instruments in museums. They can't all be 19th century reproductions

>>1657114
Like hell they can't

>>1656644
i don't know much about witchhunts specifically but these types of hysterical persecutions usually involve fantasies of the persecuted group engaging in secret and depraved pleasures. in the case of witches the notion that they have access to some unholy ecstasy via copulating with satan is a big part of the obsession. see also: the trial of the templars and "satanic" scandals in general, all the way to the 80s/90s "satanic ritual abuse" myths, which provided "respectable folk" with a socially acceptable channel for fantasizing about depraved sex and violence. under the guise of a moral outrage the newspapers delivered endless titillating material, lurid speculation about secret blood orgies, incest, child rape etc and people ate it all up.

>>1657392
FUck. I'm hard.

>>1657392
just want to say that I'm a SRA survivor and so are many of my family members and though not every case may have been legit during the "Satanic Panic", that kind of stuff really did/does happen

there's been an organized repression of survivors telling their stories and seeking justice by some really shady types, the founders of the False Memory Foundation or whatever are documented as being pro-pedophilia in the 70's, it's pretty gross

the problem is that the Evangelical Christians made it all about the Satanic aspect, they seemed to be more offended about that than the actual atrocities

the people who commit these crimes use the Satanism thing more as a scare tactic to shock their victims into repressing the memories and make them afraid to come forward, it's more about grooming and programming than anything magical or spiritual

>>1656465
Physical suffering was just more normal. Animal fights were a more common form of entertainment. Slaughter of animals was still part of daily life.

>>1651021
> the "witches" got what they deserved.
You know witches don't actually exist, right?

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I used the think of them as an example of Christianity being immoral until I read Mere Christianity.

>“Three hundred years ago people in England were putting witches to death. Was that what you call the 'Rule of Human Nature or Right Conduct?’ But surely the reason we do not execute witches is that we do not believe there are such things. If we did—if we really thought that there were people going about who had sold themselves to the devil and received supernatural powers from him in return and were using these powers to kill their neighbours or drive them mad or bring bad weather—surely we would all agree that if anyone deserved the death penalty, then these filthy quislings did? There is no difference of moral principle here: the difference is simply about matter of fact. It may be a great advance in knowledge not to believe in witches: there is no moral advance in not executing them when you do not think they are there. You would not call a man humane for ceasing to set mousetraps if he did so because he believed there were no mice in the house.”

>>1654242
>Generally anyone who was mentally kooky

I don't buy that because when you consider how relatively common mental illness is in people and how rare witch burning were it doesn't really add up.

>>1656465
Life itself was pretty brutal back then. A domino-effect of cruelty. Look at how fucked up people can be just from being fingered by an uncle once or twice when they were 12. Imagine being raped by a stream of knights, seeing your friends and family butchered in vendettas or on some lord's whim, or soldiers from a 50km away pillaging your region to keep YOUR lord from getting richer than him, etc. etc. Death and disease were weekly occurances, too. There was no UN or Red Cross or some shit, personal civil rights were but a glint in some stoned monk's eye still centuries away.

There is a fair amount of documentation to suggest the Crusades for example were a win-win way for the Church and Lords to send 'excess' bored and aggressive knights away so they'd stop roaming their countryside killing and raping (not so different to what happened in Japan with its samurai). I mean, removing Saracens in the Holy Land was a genuine pretext, but pretty convenient too.

Remember, a noble HAD to keep and maintain a certain number of soldiers and knights (mounted soldiers) at all times -- a professional feudal soldier was seldom anything else but a man-at-arms, and warriors need fighting. Left to their devices, that's exactly what they'll seek out.

In this era, some 20-year old Spanish monk, a kissless virgin, sticking hot irons up some ladies vag for confessions of being a witch, which by the way all his superior's told him was right and holy, is hardly surprising.

>>1656513
>>>/x/

It was done mostly by protestants.

>>1658068

Why is this a "bad thing related to Christianity?" They're not the only group in history to burn witches. This isn't even a question of Christian morality. If witches were real we would be completely justified in burning them, so witch burnings weren't an error in morality but instead an error in facts.

See >>1657938

>>1656523
Depends on the competence of the executioners. As mentioned, you would likely die of smoke inhalation before being 'burned to death' which actually takes a long time. Fire tends to cook your skin and fat, but you basically have to bake for hours for your vitals to shut down from the heat/flame. Before that could happen, you'd mot likely die of asphyxiation or shock, or blood loss if you were lucky and your skin crispy cracked open at a big juicy artery. It would hurt like fuck at first, but eventually your skin's nerve endings would be destroyed, so it would maybe only feel like intra-muscular aches rather than sharp burning pains.

There are documents of people taking hours to die this way. Most people would 'repent' at some point and kiss a cross on a stick kept nearby, at which point they could be strangled, stabbed or shot.

The Inquisitian was pretty corrupt, but only the repeatedly unrepentant of 'serious' sins were burnt alive. I sorta think it must have been the delusional mentally ill who didn't quite know what was going on, and would've seemed pretty fucking possessed.

There was generally always the option of being strangled (garrotted) first.

>>1656723
The medieval era was not quite as puritanical about nudity as you'd think. Tits were for milking babies and nothing to be overly worried about hiding. It was more about status really. Nobles should generally dress well and appear 'civilized', whereas peasants' nudity was expected and didn't matter, as they were practically animals anyway.

>>1656836
>the closest thing people back then have to porn
>not watching your farm animals walk around with huge dragging donkey dongs

>>1657033
>>1657089
>>1657114
>Be a sadist pervert
>hear about the inquisition
>suddenly gain an interest in learning to read and the church
>work your away up the ranks, sucking off a few Bishop cocks now and then
>finally get your chance to live out all your filthiest fantasies in a rainy grey rape dungeon
>GET PAID FOR DOING IT
>??????
>profit

>>1656694
Oh shut the fuck up. Medieval Europe wasn't like in your funny cartoons where slobbering retards run around with shit forks and torches actively looking for someone to burn.

Despite what you may want to think about the medieval people to be able to jerk off on your superiority, they were people like us, capable of reason and thought. If you pulled any of that shit you'd become the retard of the village overnight. People would laugh at you and you'd become a living joke, the pathetic skinny useless holedigging manlet that tried spreading rumors of a girl that declined him.

You'd probably get chased away from public spaces and kids would run around beating you without anyone coming up for your defense. Maybe they'd kill you, who knows. Poor unattended children can be really mean, you know. Especially if they know they have the moral support of the community.

As for the father, well...he is absolutely going to make it sure that you get your shit pushed in. Most probable course of action would be that he'd find you with his mates and bash your skull in.

>>1656713
It's ridiculous just as it is implausible.

>>1656723
That's not how any of it worked and you should probably kill yourself before writing another greentext.

>>1650581
Not that Anon, but I have a feminist friend with a degree in history, and her thesis was on witchhunts and all that.

While the actions of the "hunters" were driven more by anti-catholic hysteria than anti-witch or anti-female intentions, the few women who identified themselves as witches occasionally did so because it was one of the few ways in which a woman could control her own sexual expression.

Or something like that, at least. I might have been drunk when we were talking about this. Being a witch meant breaking the norm, and being in charge of yourself instead of "owned" by anyone else, so you could go and be a massive slut or whatever.

>>1658242
Uneducated people tend to act retarded regardless of the time period anon. Not sure why you feel the need to defend a bunch of mud farmers from 500 years ago

>>1658264
What are you doing on this board?

>>1657938
that's some bullshit. this idea - that people were hunting witches because they randomly got his mistaken idea that witches scientifically existed, and ceased to hunt witches when science progressed to a post-witch level - completely ignores the psychological reasons for wanting to persecute a (real or imagined) minority. wanting to take out your frustrations on someone that can be hurt without impunity is an irrational impulse that has nothing to do with your level of scientific knowledge - scientific knowledge about the nonexistence of witchcraft would merely ruin the excuse, not remove the impulse (bullying is a little schoolyard witchhunt). christianity is morally culpable here because it provided a framework for arbitrarily marking defenseless people as acceptable targets for mob violence.

i would even find dubious the idea that the people who formed witch-persecuting mobs necessarily all individually believed in witches. mobs are not formed by unanimous belief: the presence of a mob is what enables people to temporarily hold beliefs and express desires that they would not find acceptable in everyday society: for example, the desire to see the pretty neighbor lady you lusted after stripped bare, in pain, ruined, finally punished for never responding to your attention. all within the righteous confines of your faith, the crowd around you making you feel safe. make her spread her legs more, maybe lucifer's putrid seed will drip out.

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All these faggots believing that witches were real. If anything, they were set up by jews.

>Ywn never have your own witch torture dungeon
Why live at all?

>>1654159
nope...Catholic Germany killed the shit out of witches:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trier_witch_trials
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulda_witch_trials
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamberg_witch_trials

meanwhile Protestant England and Holland were more mellow.

>>1656465
no TV...lots of alcohol.

>>1656513
I like this theory...would make a good book or movie.

>>1656694
>Baker is in the town militia and member of the trades guild
>>accuse daughter of witchcraft
>>>get counter accused of theft and hanged by the local watch captain, who is the Baker's cousin.

>>1657709
they did under many older legal codes....cannibals, poisoners, child molesters, etc were legally considered witches, in England and France anyways.

>>1658028
to ad this is why people really like strong Kings (Queens). Longshanks and Isabella killing the shit out of those that got out of line was often good for the common people.

>>1650515
The Church has a deceitful and violent history. Their brutal crusade to "reeducate" the pagan and feminine-worshipping religions spanned three centuries, employing methods as inspired as they were horrific.

The Catholic Inquisition published the book that arguably could be called the most blood soaked publication in human history. Malleus Maleficarum---or The Witches Hammer---indoctrinated the world to "the dangers of freethinking women" and instructed the clergy how to locate, torture, and destroy them. Those deemed "witches" by the Church included all female scholars, priestesses, gypsies, mystics, nature lovers.

Midwives also were killed for their heretical practice of using medical knowledge to ease the pain of childbirth---a suffering, the Church claimed, that was God's rightful punishment for Eve's partaking of the Apple of Knowledge, thus giving birth to the idea of Original Sin. During three hundred years of witch hunts, the Church burned at the stake an astounding five million women.

>>1657938
further proof that Lewis was not only a dumbass but an asshole as well

>>1660012
>This 5 million witches burned meme again
Debunked by every expert of the inquisition and medieval times already. Do you have any idea how much burning 5 million women would affect the demographics of Europe? Even less people died in the thirty years war. High estimates are 50k-100k men and women burned. No, the witch hunters mostly don't give a fuck about burning either men or women

>>1658161
>Be 16 yo ugly robot
>Even the sluttiest girls in the village avoid me
>Father hates me for never working in the fields
>Sends me off to the church
>Studies Jesus with other robots and kissless virgins
>Gets to the part about witches
>Read a book by another robot that said all women are witches and whores
>"I fucking knew it"
>Proceeds to be a witch hunter
>Tortures and sexually abuse all women until they confess
>Stick hot iron up their vags, pinch their breasts with that too
>Finally gets a confession
>Parade the witches naked and screaming to the stake
>Burn them for public enjoyment
>Faps to it every day
>"AND I GET PAID FOR THIS"

>>1660277
It's a fucking femanon, or more pathetic a feminist man. They think with their feelings not their head. Of course they'd believe the Muh Millions meme that was pushed by Enlightenment thinkers wanting to slander the past and Catholics.

>>1650515
There is a proven phenomenon that occurs when a society is too poor, too ignorant, and afraid. A perfect storm usually caused by the degeneracy known as religion.

>>1659337
Germany didn't exist until the late 1800s.

>>1660629

Germanic people existed way before then.

>>1660303
Ywn scream God approves as you cum to the witches

>>1660411
Their theories are so ridiculous and shallow. Kill the midwives? There's no records whatsoever about midwives being targeted, most people accused are usually the least popular person in the village that people would love to get rid off

ctrl+f widows
0 results

I'm disappointed.

>>1662545
Do widows have a higher chance of being accused? Why?

>>1662555
So you can take her stuff.

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>witches aren't real

>>1662689
Widow boner activated

>>1662689
It's been mentioned several times that land-grabbing was a major motivation

>>1662790
Marxist bullshit myth about le primitive accumulation.

>>1662795
Seizing your asshole neighbours asset with false charges is as old as history

>>1650515
They don't call them Dark Ages for nothing, you know...

>>1662949
>Dark ages meme again
Wew lad

>>1662949
>dark ages
>early modern europe

>dark ages
>at all

>>1662949
>16th century
>Dark ages
This is why we have stupid conspiracy theories

ITT: Larpers and fedora feminists

>>1660683
But you said Germany. Anyway, Germanic people also implies Dutch and Scandis, plus the English if we want to get debatably pedantic.

Those witch trials also occurred against the backdrop of two important events. The Little Ice Age resulted in crop failures and famine, and people started to point fingers as things got unruly. Second the Thirty Years War, where witch trials were also used as a control leverage by leaders in unstable cities, where protestant ideas were spreading, and paranoia reigned. Using the pretext of cavorting with Satan to kill off anyone who became too pesky, or to burn a scapegoat for some intrigue or another, or to settle personal vendettas... nothing much to do with one religious view or another, per se. I'd say it only reflects the fact that the Catholic hegemony felt its power threatened. Burning people alive sends an effective message, doesn't it?

In Fulda, it was a full on case of revenge by a desperate long-absent claimant (a Catholic monk in a noble family) to the imperial city's 'throne'. Fulda's townspeople had largely adopted Lutheranism. The trials stopped when he died, and his main accomplices were later beheaded for burning innocent people.

>>1660303
Lewd

>>1650515
It's amazing how easily you can whip people up to a frenzy

>>1653056
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>>1653025
>shitty porn

>>1666436
Fatalistic eroticism is as old as porn

>>1662824
Doesn't have to do shit with those witches actually existing.

>>1653033
Why does so much older artworks have women with a swollen stomach like this and no curves? It looks disgusting as fuck

>>1667057
Maybe because women are looks like that in the past?

>>1650515
It was the only way to get a divorce back then.

>>1667125
Or maybe they just accept that Origen was wrong and the evil anti-Semitic bastid Helel, the snake, and the thing that tempts Christ are not in fact the same being.

>>1667125
I never thought this thread would attract so many Larpers

>>1650515
Mass hysteria and one crazy misogynistic priest's book

>>1667057
protip: that's what most women look like today, too.

You're used to japanese cartoon nudity, but maybe one day you'll get a lady naked, maybe age alongside her, and you'll see it IRL. The picture you're bitching about is not even particularly pronounced.

>>1669645
Most women I've fucked are fat. This anon speaks the truth

>>1657938
I would never go so far as so many hypocritical atheists do, when they describe all religious people as fools- such a statement being the definition of idiocy and reductionism. But there is an undeniable strain of idiocy which seems to be unique to certain followers of the Abrahamic trinity; the tortured logic that Lewis espouses being a prime example:

> By our modern standards, it is wrong of these people to kill innocent women
> Back then, due to their ignorance, they genuinely believed in witchcraft, giving them an understandable motive
> Therefore, we have no right to blame them for giving into this idiocy and glorified mob justice. I mean c'mon senpai, if you saw someone fiddling with some herbs, you'd do the right thing as a moral person :^)

>>1658242
There's this weird strain of contrarianism on this board, where anybody who dares to call out the undeniable ignorance that was endemic to the middle ages is called out as being an ahistorical ass, or some Christian takes it as a personal insult. Can we just clear this up once and for all? The middle ages was not a good time to be alive: ignorance was rampant, hygiene was a distant memory, rights were easily crushed. Consider the fact that Hobbes was describing life for the average person in the seventeenth century as nasty, brutish and short; then imagine that same average person being forced to contend with the Feudal System.

>>1650578
Imagine playing in traffic
Then do it, faggot

As someone who has had 4 girlfriends

Women are evil

There is no such thing as a Witch. I feel like this cannot be stressed enough.

>>1657607
You are a liar and an idiot

>>1650515
we STILL have witch hunts. look at the persecution of trump supporters

people will kill each other if it increases their status or reproductive success. that's it.

it's not a product of ignorance. that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

it's like saying people like sex because they're taught to have sex.

people persecute each other. end of story.

>>1651008
what causes someone to make a post like this?

>>1670937
There's a difference between a "metaphorical" witch-hunt, where Trump supporters are ridiculed for worshipping racist demagogues with awful haircuts, when they bring up the bastard in every fucking conversation; and "actual" witch-hunts which involve burning somebody at the stake.

>>1670937
>we STILL have witch hunts. look at the persecution of trump supporters

Not even close.

>>1670937
Everyone plays the victim when both sides does the same shit

>>1670952
throwing bricks at people leaving trump rallies and breaking the noses of lone women walking alone doesn't count as persecution?

kill yourself my man

>>1671336
I never said both sides don't do it. they do.

but it's not the result of ignorance. it's human instinct. it will ALWAYS happen.

>>1671357
Then don't act like only trump supporters are persecuted.

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>>1671453
I never said that, jackass.

I used AN example of a modern day witch hunt. Congrats, faggot.

>>1670923
yes, it's impossible that another human being would ever drug up a kid, make them torture an animal, then rape them and tell them that if they ever tell anyone what happened the devil will get them

there are no sick fucks in the world, everyone's a neurotypical upright citizen

>>1671479
Not a very good one. Average crowd of Trump supporters are far more likely to be the baying mob with pitchforks and torches.

>>1658092
>so witch burnings weren't an error in morality but instead an error in facts.
Brought about by the Bible telling people that fucking witches exist lmao.

>>1650515

Somewhat like the African juju, medieval Europe sorcery was a common thing.

For example if you're sick or if your crops don't grow fast enough you can always go to see the weird old woman for herbs or a spell or whatever.

At the beginning of modern history, the catholic hurch wanted more power and more control over the lives of people, the witch hunt was the spectacular face of the "sorcery" methodical destruction.

This was to make the Church the only spiritual entity in lives of people.

>>1671595
>so far only major violent incidences have occurred when BLM or liberals have crashed Trump's rallies
>deez fuggin Trump supporters man

>>1671663
Almost all religions have demons or bad spirits and the bad people who use them.

If Christianity never spread that far you'd have them hanged by the Norse for seidr; or something else by the Celts, and so on

>>1656893
>If those people getting burned are child rapists and the like I wouldn't mind
Child rapists are our modern equivalent to witches.

>>1670947
Catholicism. Not even once.

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>>1650515
It was often greed...

Some husband would will his land to his widow, she'd be sitting on it, old and senile, someone else would want it, thus witchcraft charges were drummed up.

These days, we just declare people invalid and take over their estates, much cleaner and easier on the firewood supply.

>>1653037
Ay bbby, want sum fukkie?

>>1672443
She sure is hot

>>1650515
They're pretty much non-existent. Especially when putting other executions of the time alongside them. You wouldn't really notice them.

>>1653025
She looks strangely pleased, like she's on an orgasm

>>1671709
Pedo detected

>>1650515
>hmm i want to know about witch hunts in early modern europe
>oh upon googling there is actually a highly acclaimed book called "the witch hunt in early modern europe, 4th edition"
>i guess i could read it an know all i need to know
>nah let's ask 4chan

>WITCHES ARE REEEAL
>AS A SATANIST, I...
>IT WAS FEMINISM ALL ALONG
>TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
>I DUNNO BUT TORTURE MAKES ME HARD
>CS LEWIS SAYS IT WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE

>>1670851
>undeniable ignorance that was endemic to the middle ages
>ignorance was rampant
What exactly are you referring to?

Honestly you could say that about the current times too, except for the hygiene part.

Yes people had lower intelligence back then and lacked a lot of knowledge we have today, but they weren't retards. Common sense still existed. They wouldn't have gone berserk at the mere mention of "witch" despite what the stereotypes and his retarded greentext would have you believe.

The people who imagine and say that kind of stupid shit always piss me off because of their hubris which makes them think they're so above others (whoever they're portraying in a stupid way) without realizing the irony since it is actually them that are the bottomfeeders on the intelligence spectrum.

You see so many people like this criticizing various political or religious movements (communism, nazism, crusades, whatever) via the stupidest of misconceptions and stereotypes. Their blindness towards their own stupidity makes any criticism they have of others immediately applicable to themselves.

Their misplaced confidence in their capacity for critical thought makes them very vulnerable to manipulations of the exact sort they're considering themselves of being above it.

>>1674532
Damn that last "it" was superfluous and ruined the flow :(

>>1674532
Superstition is rampant. You'll see the difference between third worlders and first worlders

Burn

>>1659373
And they worked their asses off from spring through early fall, and then sat around being bored the rest of the year

Question: Can the contemporary witch hunts in africa be blamed on a population practicing a non-reformed version of christianity or do witch hunts have nothing to do with christianity and would happen there anyway?

>>1670807
Isn't he kind of undermining the idea of scripture being the ultimate authority and from where morals come from with this statement? If morals can change so much depending on how much knowledge there is availible then you might as well throw the bible away right? How do christians justify this?

>>1676492
Witch hunts stem from superstition and poor education. So yes, Africa would still have witch hunts with or without Christianity

>>1670807
>kill innocent women
Being a witch (they existed and exist today, even with no supernatural powers) was against the law. They were usually involved in shaddy stuff, and knew what were the stakes.
I don't get how supposedly rational people bash the church for being superstitious but at the same time defend witches wtf