What was prussia like before the teutonic order came?

Mix of tribal nomads and people under a united Charlemagne's holy roman empire

>>1647225
>Charlemagne's holy roman empire

In Prussia? What did you smoke?

>>1647231
Taking prussias borders of 1800/1941 as answer for the question how the baltic prussians lived up to the 12/13th century

It was Pagan.
Then the Baltics began raiding Christians so the pope declared a crusade on them.
Just want to remind them that the Baltics deserved everything they got and generally more.

>>1647225

Generally a bunch of rowdy Baltic pagan tribes, slowly encroached from the South by Slavs. Depending on time they were either under Poland or independent. They had some pretty developed craft and their main city, Truso, was one of the main trade emporia in the Baltic region.

This is how Teutons came:
In 13th century Poland disintegrates. The Prussians sense an opportunity and start to raid surrounding settlement. One of the Polish dukes, Konrad of Masovia, is a massive asshole. He can't deal with the raid and no one wants to aid him because of his shenanigans. Konrad heards about all those knighly orders that fight heathens, so he founds one to fight the Prussians - the Knights of Dobrzyn. This ends up in a massive failure, again mostly due to Konrad's general assholry. He invites the Teutons under condition that all conquered lands will be attached into Konrad's duchy. Quickly though the Teutons play him false and build their own independent state.

>the pope declared a crusade on them.

There was no crusade against the Prussians.

>>1647237
considering the guy was north germanic, what didnt u?

>>1647730
Teuton apologist

>>1647730
Found the Teutonic knight, guys.

>>1647770
>Quickly though the Teutons play him false and build their own independent state.

The Eternal Kraut strikes again!

>>1647730
>Then the Baltics began raiding Christians so the pope declared a crusade on them.

They raided in retaliation Poles have tried to subdue their lands for centuries even prior to Teutonic Knights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians#History

>>1648096
>They raided in retaliation Poles have tried to subdue their lands for centuries even prior to Teutonic Knights.

There was never a serious attempt by Poland to conquer Prussia, just some mutual raiding.

Look at Polish conquest of Pomerania in 1100s. When Poland took the shit seriously, there was no way the pagans could stop it.

>>1647770
>There was no crusade against the Prussians.

There was. Honorius III called for a crusade under the leadership of Christian of Oliva and chose as papal legate the Archbishop of Gniezno, Wincenty I Niałek.

>>1648106
>There was never a serious attempt by Poland to conquer Prussia, just some mutual raiding.


Says who? Just because they failed doesn't mean they didn't try.

>>1648119

Because there's no single mention in chronicles that Poland ever tried. On the other hand, we know lots about how Poland tried (and sometimes failed) to conquer Pomerania.

Polish warfare with Prussia was just some low intensity raiding. Shit got serious when Poland started disintegrating and the Prussians found they can make themselves rich by plundering.

>>1648127
>Because there's no single mention in chronicles that Poland ever tried.

Yes because scribes specifically state in chronicles when they try to conquer land. They tried to on numerous occasions to convert people and attach their lands but as soon as Poles went away they reverted back to paganism.

Boleslaw IV and Casimir II both led large armies into Prussia, but they simply couldn't take control because of constant guerrilla warfare so they just imposed peace on each other.

"Prussians" have nothing incommon with the balt Old Prussians.
They're extinct, that's all.

>>1647730
Did you had fun at Grunwald?