Cultural Marxism

>>1645780

Its a term by the alt-right to create a nouveau degeneracy list.

Otherwise known as they wish it was the 1950's.

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>>1645780
"We tolerate everything, unless you're something we hate."

>>1645796

Are you describing Cultural Marxism, or the people that use that term?

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>>1645799
Guess it could apply to both. As my grandfather put it, "everyone shit on a few."

>>1645780
Cultural Marxism is not an ideology which people self-identify with. It refers to the application of the Marxist idea of class warfare (bourgeois vs. proletariat) to social issues like gender (patriarchy vs. women) and race (white people vs. people of color).

>>1645857
How about when applied to being against liberals?

Its always, 'the liberals' or 'the jews'. Isn't that also Cultural Marxism then?

>>1645780

>its a "marxist shill pretends cultural marxism doesnt exist" episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pPbrbJJQs

>>1645881

No, because the cultural marxism is just lube for regular old marxism. The Alt-right is ethno-socialist for ethnocentrism's sake.

>>1645919
>No, because the cultural marxism is just lube for regular old marxism.

How so? The definition I got was using Marxist terminology for social issues, and that's something the alt-right does constantly. Or at least /pol/ does.

I don't see how it relates to regular ol Marxism at all.

>>1645893
>You can't trust Marxists to be authorities on Marxism. They're in on the conspiracy.

>Listen to this youtube video instead.

>>1645926
>>You can't trust Marxists to be authorities on Marxism

its an offshoot of marxism you stupid LARPer.

>>1645924
Look up the Frankfurt school. Their intention was to realize communism through cultural Marxism. It is inherently leftist because it's aim is to destroy traditionalism.

>>1645796
Kek

Do people actually believe this meme and think cultural marxism is a thing?

>>1645936
But what does it got to do with Marxism? Other than superficially using some of the same methods but applied to something very different?

I think people are calling it 'cultural Marxism' Ironically as a cultural Marxist way of presenting Marxism/socialism as the thing to be the class warfare opponent.

>>1645952

So its a conspiracy theory?

>>1645924

The original point of cultural marxist ideology was to subvert bourgeois American college students, since the Soviets failed to subvert the America's working class in the 1920's.

By sidestepping the class divide and focusing on race and gender divide, cultural marxism intended to to be more palatable to the upper middle class that needed indoctrinating in American higher education.

Since the fall of the USSR, cultural Marxism has been appropriated by globalists, since it promotes the minoritization of whites, who are the biggest threat to global Jewish plutocracy.

>>1645857
Yeah, but the very idea of applying the name "marxism" to describe this open social conflict type you described is out of sense. The class warfare could be put this way at the time of Marx's work since the conditions were such that allowed the very terminology "warfare" to make sense, and at least in the gender territory, there is no such war going on.

>>1645796

>this is what /pol/ believes

The fact that "Cultural Marxism/Bolshevism" is a term coined by the I-shit-you-not real historical Nazi's should be enough to tip you off OP. It's just racists tying everything they don't like (such as equal civil rights and making the upper class pay a fair but not overburdening share of taxes) into some nefarious conspiracy run by a convenient boogieman they can blame all ills on.

>>1645962
Just read some works by the Frankfurt school, they confirm all the stuff we say.
It's like how when nationalists say Jews control Hollywood it's a conspiracy theory, yet they themselves brag about it.

>>1645968
Ah, but the term 'Cultural Marxism' doesn't imply that, its just a description of certain ways of thinking in neutral terms.

Its the Frankfurt School you are thinking of. And so, just because the Frankfurt school is "cultural marxist" doesn't mean any other thing aren't also Cultural marxist.

And from my observations, the alt-right is cultural Marxist. Which is why the term itself is fucking dumb because it doesn't imply actual Marxism, rather that its the tool of the Frankfurt school and anyone ells who uses that applies marxist class struggle theory to social issues.

Unless of coarse, the term is just a smokescreen to cover the motives behind those that use it.

>>1645962
Communists wanting to overthrow the system to bring about communism is hardly a conspiracy when it is the stated goal of communism

>>1645977
Cultural marxism is more a tool for the far right than it is for the far left. There is no conspiracy of cultural marxism but the use of the term originated as a tool of propaganda during the rise of the third reich, then called cultural bolshevism or Kulturbolschewismus.

Marxism has undergone a metamorphosis from the economic to the cultural.

"Marxism"
>two economic classes: worker and capitalist
>the proletariat are oppressed by the capitalists
>any capitalist's criticism of Marxism is "bourgeois logic" and can be ignored
>if a proletariat doesn't want to be liberated it is because he has internalized his oppression, and is parroting the bourgeois logic of capitalists
>inexorable progress will result in an overthrow of capitalism

"Cultural Marxism"
>two cultural classes: privileged and underprivileged
>the underprivileged are oppressed by the privileged (man-woman, white-non white, able-disabled, christian-muslim, Israeli-Palestinian, and scho on *sniff*)
>any privileged shitlord's criticism of Cultural Marxism is "mansplaining", "cissplaining", "whitesplaining", and scho on
>if an underprivileged woman doesn't want to be liberated by feminists it is because she has internalized her oppression, and is parroting the "mansplaining" of shitlords
>inexorable progress will result in the overthrow of Western Culture

This is why all of the dinosaur communists just whine and fill their underwear these days. They believe that Capitalism has "won", and that we now live in some kind of hyper-reactionary society. They don't see that Marxism has simply been transmuted into a new century, it wanders about looking for some "oppressed" people wherever it can find them. Since all economic Socialism has failed; the relevant Marx has been taken up, the falsehoods discarded, and new theories based on Marx developed; the feelgood-dualists need to find some new crusade -- they found it in culture.

Note how China has prevented this by rejecting communist economics while retaining the party, so as to prevent the societal rot in the west. As too are many old school communists in Russia and the East anti-liberal and for the most part culturally "conservative".

>>1645977
>The class warfare could be put this way at the time of (((Marx)))'s work since the conditions were such that allowed the very terminology "warfare" to make sense, and at least in the gender territory, there is no such war going on.
The cultural Marxists created the conditions for gender warfare and racial warfare.

rom Kołakowski's huge Main Currents of Marxism vol. 3:

When we consider the place of the Frankfurt school in the evolution of Marxism, we find that its strong point was philosophical anti-dogmatism and the defence of the autonomy of theoretical reasoning. It freed itself from the mythology of the infallible proletariat and the belief that Marx's categories were adequate to the situation and problems of the modern world. It also endeavoured to reject all elements of varieties of Marxism that postulated an absolute, primary basis of knowledge and practice. It contributed to the analysis of 'mass culture' as a phenomenon that cannot be interpreted in class categories as Marx understood them. It also contributed to the critique of scientistic philosophy, by drawing attention (though in fairly general and unmethodical terms) to the latent normative assumptions of scientist programmes.

The Frankfurt philosophers were on weak ground, on the other hand, in their constant proclamation of an ideal 'emancipation' which was never properly explained. This created the illusion that while condemning 'reification', exchange-value, commercialized culture, and scientism they were offering something else instead, whereas the most they were actually offering was nostalgia for the pre-capitalist culture of an élite. By harping on the vague prospect of a universal escpae from present-day civilization, they unwittingly encouraged an attitude of mindless and destructive protest.

In short, the strength of the Frankfurt school consisted in pure negation, and its dangerous ambiguity lay in the fact that it would not openly admit this fact, but frequently suggested the opposite. IT was not so much a continuation of Marxism in any direction, as an example of its dissolution and paralysis.

>>1646023
>Marxism has undergone a metamorphosis from the economic to the cultural.

But that changes the very thing itself.

Its like if Islam was called 'Arabic Christianity'.

No, just no.

>>1646023
>Note how China has prevented this by rejecting communist economics while retaining the party, so as to prevent the societal rot in the west.
Interesting. Are you saying that the Chinese elite remaining communist in name after transitioning to state capitalism prevented the rise of cultural marxism?

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cultural marxism is essentially another term for the new left.

>>1645981
>>1645955
>all these non-arguments

>>1646023
See what you've done is taken a shaky conspiracy theory and warped it to fit into the way you see the world.
This post is stupid.
You're stupid.

>>1646037
>Molyneux
Might as well be Sam Harris with the amount of smug tripe he spouts.

>>1646037
Says the liberal.

>>1646032
No, just no.

>They don't see that Marxism has simply been transmuted into a new century, it wanders about looking for some "oppressed" people wherever it can find them.

>>1646034
>the Chinese elite remaining communist in name after transitioning to state capitalism prevented the rise of cultural marxism?
What the PRC did is stick to older, uniquely Chinese philosophies.

Mao of course openly attacked Confucianism, and embraced Legalism:

Mao’s intellectual activism started, incidentally, with a high-school essay written in praise of Shang Yang (Schram 1992–2004, Vol. 1: 5–6), and his positive view of Shang Yang and of the Qin dynasty strengthened as time passed. In the last years of Mao’s life, under the infamous “anti-Confucian” campaign, Legalism was openly endorsed and hailed as “progressive” intellectual current both in its outlook and its historical role (Li Yu-ning 1977); attempts were even made to position it as a direct predecessor of Mao Zedong’s Thought (see, e.g., Liu Zehua 2012).

After Mao’s death, this grotesque politicization of Legalism discontinued. While in the 1980s Legalism still could surface in China’s intellectual debates about paths that the country needed to take, and while echoes of Chinese polemics could be heard in the West as recently as the 1990s (Fu Zhengyuan 1996), this “usage of the past to criticize the present” gradually receded. With it, studies of Legalist thought receded as well, especially in the West and in Japan, but to a certain extent also in China. Most recently, this trend is changing, and the academic community is rediscovering the richness of Legalist thought. Without excessive endorsement or disparagement, scholars can investigate this set of ideas, which was highly effective in the context of the Warring States period, but proved less applicable to other historical circumstances.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/chinese-legalism/

Post-MAO, PRC embraces and globalizes Confucianism, a "cure" against CM.

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>>1646055
>Marxism is whatever I say it is, and I say its thing I don't like. Wahh.

>>1646058
No worries dude, I wasn't trying to argue with you. Just pointing out that you idolize a self-righteous libertarian hack while reappropriating nazi propaganda.
But really, facile infographics don't count as arguments either so we have more of an absurd screaming contest rather than an argument here in the first place.

>>1646032

>People who don't know what Marxism is talking about what it can and cannot do.

>>1646037
There's literally nothing to argue. This is like Alex Jones tier conspiracy/fantasy trash.

>>1646070

Well shit dude, its all Jew Maths, right?

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>>1645780
It's hardly real and founded on a poor understanding of Marx's writing.

It's been a 'polite' term for the 'alt-rght' in place of cuckoldry or degeneracy.

>>1646069
>hat you idolize a self-righteous libertarian hack while reappropriating nazi propaganda
This is so true and ironic that it hurts.

>>1646076

Your analogy bore no relation to the subject matter, but defining Marxism solely in essentialist terms is in any case antithetical to it as a body of thought.

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If you want a book more on the Anglosphere, following the British tradition outside your "usual" Frankfurt School, and written by a self-admitted cultural Marxist, read pic related.

British cultural Marxism grew out of an effort to create a social
ist understanding of Britain which took into consideration postwar
transformations that seemed to undermine traditional Marxist as
sumptions about the working class and that questioned the tradi
tional Left’s exclusive reliance on political and economic catego
ries. Cultural Marxists were, above all, concerned with redefining
the relationship between structure and agency, for it was the agency
of traditional socialism, the industrial working class, that was being
called into question. They attempted to identify the contours of
the postwar terrain, to redefine social struggle, and to articulate
new forms of resistance appropriate to a democratic and socialist
politics in an advanced capitalist society. At the heart of this project
was “culture.”

I hope that my
account will be read by a wider audience than those already thor
oughly acquainted with the major texts of the tradition that is
being re-created. I do not see myself as being a disciple of any
particular tendency in British cultural Marxism, but it will un
doubtedly become clear that I have the most sympathy for the later
approaches of the cultural studies tradition as developed by Stuart
Hall and others.

>>1646078
lel. Liberals think they're living in the 00s and all opposition are Fox News-watching confederates. This is why you're losing.

>>1646081
Marxist historical and cultural theory in
Britain was produced by several generations of intellectuals in the
context of the most radical causes and movements of the last sixty
years: the Popular Front of the thirties and forties, the New Left
movement and the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament ( c n d ) of
the late fifties and early sixties, the countercultural and student
politics of 1968, and the feminist and antiracist politics of the 1970s.

Another major distinction between the two traditions was that
the majority of Frankfurt School theorists were philosophers, nur
tured in Hegelianism, while British Marxists with the greatest in
fluence have been historians and literary and cultural theorists. It
has been common to attribute this difference in approach to the
antitheoretical and empirical bent of the English, and indeed this
assertion contains some truth

during the sixties and seventies British Marxists
engaged in a critical dialogue with advocates ofEuropean traditions
of literary, philosophical, and social theory, and this dialogue left an
indelible imprint on British cultural Marxism’s development—a
process that was simultaneous with Britain achieving membership
in the European Community. Many intellectuals were attracted to
these traditions and other forms of theory precisely because
they represented alternatives to what they saw as the stifling effects
of the English empirical idiom. But many of them also used these
ideas to extend and renew, rather than negate, the English tradition.
By the end of the 1970s it was still true that much of the most
creative work of British Marxists was historical in nature, even if
outside the historical discipline proper, but it was by no means
antitheoretical.

>>1646080

I don't understand.

If its not Marxist, than its not Marxist.

If it influenced some things, those things aren't Marxist. Just like the things that Influenced Marx didn't make Marx those things.

Because that's the same as saying 'we are all Africans' because long long time ago, we were.

Or everyone is Socratic.

>>1646086
>you're losing
There hasn't been an active or viable left in the US for decades.

>>1646096
>I don't understand.

I know.

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>>1646105
Don't worry Comrade, the Marxist bourgeois allies in the intellectual priesthood will interpret the Sacred Texts for you, and tell you want Marxism is or is not, just do what they Church says, because that's what class consciousness and a working class Revolution is all about.

You do the proletarian thing, which is to blindly obey who's above you, and they do the rest. Is that clear?

Now if a Dworkin calls himself a cultural Marxist, or a Laclau a Neo-Marxist, even though they change too much things around according to you, to the point that you don't see where the Marxism is anymore, well your opinion doesn't matter, art thou part of the Marxist intellectual class? Nope, you're just a stupid prole anyway, so shut the fuck up and leave it to the authorized personnel and grown-ups.

>>1646114
>Marxism is or is not, just do what they Church says

Is that because Marxism is Christianity of the 19th-21st centuries?

It just finds new ways to express itself, right?

>cultural marxism

Is neither a cultural phenomenon nor has anything to do with marxism.

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>>1645780

>>1646122
Ratzinger wrote on the theology of liberation that replaces the Gospel with Marxist political action and hermeneutics:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19840806_theology-liberation_en.html

Now there's a liberation theologian straight out of South America at the head of the biggest of all Christian denominations.

I can hardly tell where does the Catholic end and where does the Marxist begin anymore. MacIntyre is both and wrote a book on the topic.

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>>1645780
What is Gramscian Cultural Hegemony? Copy pasta from le wik bc drunk>
Orthodox Marxism had predicted that socialist revolution was inevitable in capitalist societies. By the early 20th century, no such revolution had occurred in the most advanced nations. Capitalism, it seemed, was more entrenched than ever. Capitalism, Gramsci suggested, maintained control not just through violence and political and economic coercion, but also through ideology. The bourgeoisie developed a hegemonic culture, which propagated its own values and norms so that they became the "common sense" values of all. People in the working-class (and other classes) identified their own good with the good of the bourgeoisie, and helped to maintain the status quo rather than revolting.
To counter the notion that bourgeois values represented "natural" or "normal" values for society, the working class needed to develop a culture of its own. Lenin held that culture was "ancillary" to political objectives, but for Gramsci it was fundamental to the attainment of power that cultural hegemony be achieved first.
Gramsci stated that bourgeois cultural values were tied to folklore, popular culture and religion, and therefore much of his analysis of hegemonic culture is aimed at these. For Gramsci, Marxism could supersede religion only if it met people's spiritual needs, and to do so people would have to think of it as an expression of their own experience.
For Gramsci, hegemonic dominance ultimately relied on a "consented" coercion, and in a "crisis of authority" the "masks of consent" slip away, revealing the fist of force

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>>1645780
>>1646151
Continued:
You have developed a dirty bomb to defeat your enemy, you sap their culture of the strength that somehow resisted the expected revolution post WW1. However, no one actually believes in the economic tenets of marxism anymore. They released an ideological bioweapon (parasite may be more accurate) but people who believe in the reasons for this military action no longer exist. So, just like AIDS doesn't actually kill you but just allows many other things to kill you, Germany auto-immune response is clearly null. And the perpetrators of this hugely effective weapon are no longer around to capitalize on it *rimshot*. Instead the AIDS just perpetrates itself like toxoplosma gandhi or roundworm or any good horizontally spreading parasite

>>1645780
modern term for social marxists

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>>1646031
>>1646167
Also I think I read it Kolakowski's MCOM bc I can't find it online but I recall a bit about Lukacs specific use of sexual education in schools to develop children into the political mold he favored (by breaking them of their previous conditioning) *inserts alexjones gif of 'breakingtheconditioning"

>>1646025
And why is that so?

>>1646464
To create a new hegemony, read Laclau

>>1645958
Because the main thinkers behind cultural Marxism intended it to pave the way for real Marxism

>>1645996
>>And from my observations, the alt-right is cultural Marxist.
What is the alt-right?

OP, see the thing you're doing in this thread?

That's cultural marxism.

>>1645977
It makes sense when you consider the doctrine of critical theory, which dominated academic discourse today, and infests every part of our society, it spawned as a result of cultural marxism, its aims are one and the same, to criticize and scrutinize everything traditional and '"normal" in a society in order to subvert it slowly and over time, through media, academia, social fabric and society into a more "progressive" i.e regressive course.

It's a far right wing term for Culture Studies. A bit like how they refereed to some areas of physics as "Jewish physics"; which they contrasted to good clean Aryan Physics - no seriously;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik

...and it's only "Marxism" in that it involves criticizing a society which is ostensibly capitalist... and of course; according to the alt-right western democratic freedom has nothing to do with criticism.

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>>1646078
>It's hardly real and founded on a poor understanding of Marx's writing.

once again, its based around the writings of Herbert Marcuse and to a lesser extent, Theodor Adorno. Its basically their fan fiction revision of Marxism.

You LARPing commiboos seem to be ignoring this on purpose for whatever reason.

>>1645958
>I think people are calling it 'cultural Marxism' Ironically as a cultural Marxist way of presenting Marxism/socialism as the thing to be the class warfare opponent.

no, they are calling that because it attacks culture in order to create an atmosphere where Marxism, or at least their idea of it, can take root and grow. You guys get triggered by the term simply because it has "Marx" in it and god forbid someone criticize your god of memery. The video I posted explains all this pretty easily if you would have actually watched it.

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It´s basically Cultural Bolshevism all over again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism

It´s a way to deflect the problems in capitalism and blame it on some nefarious cabal of marxist, so you dont have to actually consider the actual causes..

>>1647985
>It's a far right wing term for Culture Studies.
Just like "far right wing" is a Jewish term for "decent human beings"?

>>1647690

People criticizing things is some sort of grand plan to undermine civilization?

Dude
Weed
LMAO

>>1648235
Undermine traditional roles and relationships.

Marxism is by its nature a modern ideology, hence it cannot take root until the old ones have been transcribed and eradicated

>>1645919
Lmao. Identity politics is completely counter productive for class warfare. Read a book.

>>1645857
This. Everything else about about Jews or whatever is irrelevant and derails the conversation. This is what people refer to when they say cultural Marxist. Both left and right are against this and the regressive left

>>1645796

>"your race"

Why are they assuming everyone looking at this image is white?

Is /pol/ so deluded that they think only people of European descent own computers and have internet access?

>>1646097

>we arent big enough cucks so theres no real left in the US!

kill yourself

>>1648270
75% of 4channers are from the US or Britain alone.

You're one of those people who whines about "Eurocentrism" in European history, aren't you?

>leftists call rightists "fascist" regardless of accuracy
>complain when rightists start calling leftist cultural Marxists

>>1648256

So... are you saying its because of Marxsm that the gays want to get married, and people generally reacted by going 'sure'. And that's because of some academics back in the 60s.

>>1648279

Believe it or not, not everyone from the U.S. or Britain is white.

And why would anyone complain about eurocentrism in European history? In world history that's an apt complaint, but complaining about eurocentrism in European history would be like complaining about afrocentrism in African history.

>>1648287
Not at all, but I'm talking about stuff like transexuality and third wave feminism being normalized

>>1645780
https://youtu.be/G8pPbrbJJQs

This sums it up well.

>>1645893
The quote from Marcuse in that video when you apply it to the argument "hurr muh states rights" as an excuse for lynching, which was just ending when that book was written.

>>1648304

That's it? That's the grand conspiracy?

I think we will survive.

>>1648304
Third wave feminism is already like 50 years old. So is Marcuse and "cultural marxism" You guys are so behind it's laughable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

Does this not relate to a lot of the issues facing the USA today?

>>1648326
No one is claiming cultural marxism is Aum Shinrikyo or anything, just that it will being social disruption with unforeseen consequences.

Donald Trump's rise can directly be linked to a revolt against Cultural Marxist practices

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/pol/ is pretty spooked about anything that is not white.

>>1648261
The very concept of class warfare is identity politics by definition.

>>1647690
>traditional and normal
Slavery was traditional and normal
Arranged marriage was traditional and normal
Tearing off a girls clit is still traditional and normal.
Homofobia is traditional and normal.

Plenty of traditional and normal stuff needs to change.

>>1648336
>it's old
>means nobody listens to his ideas/ they have no effect

Do all lefties have shit for brains?

>>1648343
>asking someone to assimilate into your culture
>bad

Really makes you think...

>>1648343

>worker of the world, unite!

cringy as fuck. Thank god communism is dead and buried though.

>>1648350
And there's plenty more that doesn't need to.

Cultural marxism's problem is that it takes things too far, and wants to tear down ALL traditional stuff, not just the bad ones

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>>1648351
Culture is a spook

Cultural Marxism is the same as Neo-liberal economics. Words used by the right and left each that don't really mean anything and makes you look like a drooling retard for people knowledgeable in the subject.

>>1648357
Enjoy being beheaded for your satanic views by brave Jihadists whiteboi :^)

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>>1648355
>Thank god communism is dead and buried though.
>implying

>>1648357
>muh sppoks
Everything is a goddamn spook moron. There's a reason no one takes Stirner seriously outside of edgy fags on the internet.

>>1648359
>. Words used by the right and left each that don't really mean anything and makes you look like a drooling retard for people knowledgeable in the subject.

cultural marxism has a very clear meaning that the right clearly defines in literally every thread like this when commieboos pretend that it doesnt exist.

and its funny you say that when all the left does is call everyone a fascist or alt-right. Or anything they dont like a spook.

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>>1648365

>YPG

>c-communism is still alive and well

>>1648270
A better question is why they think that they have any claim to the achivments of their betters simple because of their skin color.

The people who did those great achievements certainly weren't neo-nazis living in their mother's basements.

>>1648287
The very thought concept of "gay marriage" cannot exist unless someone had already undermined the idea of social distinctions in a culture.

If everyone knows that marriage is a ceremony between a man and a woman conducted in a church, why would homosexuals think marriage has any relevancy to their existence in the first place?

The idea can only be born if people no longer believe in the sanctity of the church and are open to the idea that old concepts of social divisions and norms are no longer valid.

So while the other anon wouldn't take the stance that homosexual "marriage" is a result of Marxism I will.

It is a real thing, referring to both Gramsci and the Frankfurt School, but its not Marxist, so the name is kind of unfair. Paul Gottfried is the authority on this topic.

>>1648394
Because they belong to the same social, cultural and ethnic group obviously. This is a prime example of what I meant when I said certain modern concepts could not exist if Marxists had not already undermined normal concepts of social identity.

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>>1648380
>2.5% of the worlds population is on strike RIGHT NOW
>c-cringy
>g-gommunism is dead I swear

>>1645962
Not that I fully buy into it, but why is suggesting that people that openly stated that they believe the way to communism is through social policy and change a "conspiracy theory"? There's nothing conspiracy theory about it, it's literally people just trying to spread their philosophy and sociology.

>>1645958
If a Christian leader came up with some crazy heresy and started his own movement, we still probably call it "Christian". Gramsci was the leader of the Italian Communist Party, and started Cultural Marxism, denying the orthodox Marxist doctrine that history was determined solely by "base" (economics) and not "superstructure" (culture)

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>>1648425
>poo in loos on strike
>relevant

>>1648419
>Because they belong to the same social, cultural and ethnic group obviously
But they don't. Those betters, had they existed now, would be social elites who look down on those claiming to be a part of their circle.

>>1648343
ugh

>>1648295
World history being eurocentric is a good thing, since the point of history classes is to inform students of important past events and explain how the present came to be. Euro/US civilization has spread across the globe and is the only civilization left. It's the most important thing there is to learn about and anything related to its past comes from Europe or the US.

Basically anything about Africa is trivia, and the same can be said about much of what is today the third world. Too many lines of development just ran into dead ends and left little to no legacy outside of the region.

>>1646062
>philosophies can't mutate

>>1648453
It's amazing how you don't even realize your conceptions of identity are entirely dependent upon Marxist identity politics.

>>1648397
Your line of reasoning ignores that marriage has primarily been a legal institution for quite a while now. A church and priest are completely optional, and even irrelevant in many jurisdictions.

Arguing that gay marriage undermines christian practices is missing the point, what should happen is that people start to reconsider the legitimacy of the bloated mess that a marriage is today. It should be a modular contract between two people, not this weirdo government construct.

>>1648397
Because marriage was absorbed into law, and is also part of the state.

That is to say, marriage should be a religious institution, and the legal counterpart of it should be civil unions, available to all.

>>1648486
It's called civil union.

>>1648419
Yeah but that has nothing to do with their personal achievements.

It's people staking a claim on something that isn't theirs.

>>1648419
Isn't that literally the definition of

>WE WUZ KANGS

?

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>>1648449
>I swear it doesn't matter
>it's not relevant dude!

>>1648486
>your line of reasoning ignores that marriage has primarily been a legal institution for quite a while now.

Horseshit.
There's a reason the popular conception of marriage even to this day is of people getting married in a church and not people getting a bureaucrat's stamp on a form.

If anything the continued popular image of marriage occurring in a church is evidence of the artificial way in which marriage has been undermined through selective revision of concepts rather than through emergent changes in the cultural perception of marriage.

>>1645780
From what I know, its just meant to be a somewhat Marxist idea outside of Marxism. In that respect, its just people shitting on another group of people, its hardly Marxism.

>>1648465
Really, because I'm not the one trying to arbitrarily group individual people across space and time based on contemporary definitions of identity.

>>1648553
>There's a reason the popular conception of marriage even to this day is of people getting married in a church and not people getting a bureaucrat's stamp on a form.
Yes, Hollywood.

>>1648498
Since when do you need to have been personally involved in an event to feel a sense of pride in said event?

Is a father's pride in the achievements of his son illegitimate?
Is a son's pride in the achievments of his father illegitimate?

>>1648565
Says the guy arbitrary grouping people across time in space into a faceless "social elite" who feel contempt for the people beneath them.

>>1648351
There's nothing in my post that indicates i'm a "lefty" you retarded fuck. It's literally true that third wave feminism is half a century old. It doesn't mean it "has no effect" it means you fucking /pol/tards are so retarded you're only just now catching up with a decades-old ideology that's already waning in influence. Just fucking neck yourself before the SJW goonsquads do it for you fucking idiot

>>1648571
So you're claiming Hollywood sells products that are entirely contrary to the views of it's customers?

>>1645780
Frankfurt School isn't real.

>>1648585
>it means you fucking /pol/tards are so retarded you're only just now catching up with a decades-old ideology that's already waning in influence

Yet the ideas it spawned are still relevant, retard

>stupid commies Marx died a century ago I mean hello

>>1648585
>It's literally true that third wave feminism is half a century old.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism
>Third-wave feminism refers to several diverse strains of feminist activity and study, whose exact boundaries in the history of feminism are a subject of debate, but are generally marked as beginning in the early 1990s and continuing to the present.

t. time traveling shitposter from the year 2040

>>1648598
Literally the only people who even are aware of the phrase "Third wave feminism" are 19 year old college girls and you fat retarded fucks from /pol/

>>1648553
A church wedding is an aesthetic tradition that exists independently from it's religious meaning. You can marry in a church without being religious, and many people do, because that's just the popular image, as you said.

But marriage in a practical sense is absolutely recognized to primarily be a legal act between two people under the boot of a government employee.

>>1648627
>gets BTFO
>gets mad

>>1648636
yeah i was totally BTFO by him saying it's "relevant." what a damning critique. what a horrible world we live in where feminism is still "relevant." boo hoo my balls are being oppressed by angry ladies

>>1648627
you don't have to identify as a third wave feminist to be one

>>1648644
>gets BTFO
>starts strawmanning

>>1648634
>you can marry in a church without being religious
No you cannot.

>but marriage in a practical sense is absolutely recognized to primarily be a legal act between two people under the boot of a government employee.

and yet for some reason homosexuals were not satisfied with being granted the right engage in civil unions which are recognized to primarily be a legal act between two people under the boot of a government employee.

So clearly there is some disconnect between your conception of marriage and the popular one as not even homosexuals agree with you.

>>1648652
>gets made fun of by black kids in 3rd grade
>starts going to /pol/

>>1646062
I like how sjw, lgbt, leftwingers feminists etc. always do the crybaby impersonation when they ad hominem other posters.

Its even better than
>omg, its 'current year'

>>1648658
>No you cannot.
Durrr you obviously can, nobody checks. You just sign up and have your wedding and never set foot in a church again.

>and yet for some reason homosexuals were not satisfied with being granted the right engage in civil unions
The reason is simple and obvious, since it was stated from the beginning: civil unions are not identical to marriages in a legal sense, which causes inconveniences for couples.

>>1648666
>gets BTFO
>starts projecting

>>1648666
Funny you say that. White kids in black majority kids are bullied severely, yet no one bats an eye to that issue.

>>1648691
Yeah probably because getting bullied isn't nearly as bad as getting killed by a gang because you're standing on the wrong corner or getting killed by police because you have a wide nose

>>1648702
>killed by police because you have a wide nose
lmao
>"stop resisting!"
>doesn't
>get shot
>waaah it's cause he was black

>>1646081
Is that book legit?
Also: is there an conservative movement among intellectuals on the major campuses or have the "leftist" viewpoints monopolized higher education?

>>1648702
>poor kid gets bullied by nigs
>turns racist
>goes into force
>shoots nigs
G E E

>>1648708
>>1648715
not an argument in sight

>>1648718
>PO-PO BE RAYSIST DEY KILL HIM CUZ HE BLAK BAKA #KILLWHITEY
>maybe there are other reasons for that
>NOT AN ARGUMENT!!!!

>>1648725
why are you still posting? you're not gonna argue me into becoming a racist idiot like you

>>1648729
baka I'm just trying to make you see the white devil's evil you uncle tom

>>1648731
I don't even understand this. it's not surprising to me that after 20 minutes of throwing a fit you just collapse into posting total nonsense. It's like dealing with a baby before naptime

>>1648672
>Durrr you obviously can, nobody checks. You just sign up and have your wedding and never set foot in a church again.
t. faggot that has obviously never set foot in a church

>civil unions are not identical to marriages in a legal sense, which causes inconveniences for couples.
Except they are.

>>1648739
Do some research.

>>1648744
t. faggot that doesn't known you actually have to a be a member of a church to be married by it

>>1648736
>accuses others of throwing fits
>strawmans and projects like an absolute madman beforehand

>>1648747
Which is easy to do and doesn't require much effort let alone faith, money or knowledge of dogma.

>>1648711
>Is that book legit?
Of course. Dworkin shows the differences between the British school and the Frankfurt school early on.

>is there an conservative movement among intellectuals on the major campuses
Islamic studies teachers, and Muslim student movements and groups, not even trolling.

>>1648754
t. faggot that's never set foot in a church

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>in a perfect society, all classes are abolished
>even though that's idealistic, in a possible pragmatic (likely transitional) one, the richer classes should be subjugated to progressive taxes and more social responsibility
>women should participate in politics, serve in the military, and exercise alongside men naked
>the community of a ideal state should be entirely collective; kids are not property to their parents but the State, sex outside of marriage (when modest and true) outside of reproductive is ok), regular commune meals with the rest of the community should be enforced
>we should examine all traditional preconceptions and practices we have around us and test them if they're the best and make sense
>traditional religion of our community is misguided, and the stories and depiction of our divines of it should be questioned if it doesn't make sense
>media and speech that goes against the State should be censored
>believed his home-nation was decadent and should be subjected to radical change if they really want to live a proper life.
>praised the long-time rival of his nation, Sparta, for their social and governmental practices
>denounced traditional esteemed leaders of his State (Pericles and Solon), and praised Athens foreign enemy, Persia, and their past Kings (Cyrus and Darius) as being governing wisely
>seemingly didn't care about treating individuals of foreign races differently; only really made a asserted comment in his pragmatic second-tier-ideal state that, during it's creation, the applicant colonist should be of the same ethnicity (Dorians) to prevent strife and divisiveness in the population.

Was Plato the original cultural marxist?

>>1648365
>implying the kurds won't get beaten by roaches

>>1648755
>Islamic studies teachers, and Muslim student movements and groups, not even trolling.

No wonder they get targeted so much by the same media that tells us we should import them by the millions.

>>1646078
Bane?

Cultural Marxism is radical egalitarianism.

It places an emphasis on making inequities whole.

The operative concept is NOT equality. It is equity within the context of a population in a position of power.

Hurt feelings? Feel like you lost your dignity to a white person because they think that rap sounds like shit?

Is a white person culturally-appropriating your culture?

Then there is a deficit in respect and dignity.

>>1649436

This

Cultural Marxism is an alt-right buzzword that serves as an umbrella term to describe a whole slew of things they don't like (homosexuality, feminism of ANY variety, interracial marriage, anyone who is not a W.A.S.P, intellectuals, ETC) and an umbrella term for all the things they think Hillary Clinton (who is a neoliberal anyway) is responsible for.

>>1649436
"radical egalitarianism" has nothing to do with egalitarianism

>>1649630

See >>1649436

It's in the term.

Culture of Marxism.

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>>1649641

....HOW?

You're just lucky to be unaware of your own culture and not having stupid leftist shithead try and water down your home culture with stupid ass shit that simply doesn't fit, is literally shoved down our throat at every opportunity and any kind of resistance or even criticism of the situation is faced with absurd rhetoric like we are xenophobic nazi who want to exterminate everyone who isn't like ''us''

I wish I was fucking joking, can't even be proud of yourself and your origin without being insulted and treated like shit, it suck op

>>1645780
You can't argue with people who spam "cultural marxism" everywhere.
It's just like arguing with someone who believes in "white genocide." There is no argument.
No evidence.
Nothing except retards spamming the same statements everywhere.
/pol/ doesn't seek to win debates.
/pol/ only desires a cultural hegemony on the internet where they can roll back social progress of the last few years.

>>1645780

THIS IS A SHILL THREAD.

Cultural marxism is very real, go to any major campus in the west and you'll see well funded groups spreading this ideology, most of the funding can be traced back to George Soros.

>>1649644
Because what you are describing as "radical egalitarianism" doesn't make anyone equal.

Egal is from the same root as equal

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>>1649667

Except, that's what makes it radical.

There is no equality in radical egalitarianism.

Equality has a legal component while equity does not.

>>1649673
Then you cannot call it radical egalitarianism. Your definition is contradictory with the root meaning.

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>>1649696

But if it's radical then it's a deviation from it's root meaning.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/radical_egalitarianism_is_the_real_threat_.html

>>1649665

Yes, yes and the Jews control everything, we're all so """"red pilled"""

The concept of "cultural marxism" is hardly new. It is a term to describe anything the ult-right describes as degeneracy. During the nineteen thirties, it wasn't American college campuses that were considered the centers of degeneracy but art expositions in Europe. Look up the term "degenerate art."

It's a cyclical thing: history repeats itself. An ult-right group claims that a certain group of people are trying to turn a ruin a country's moral and racial fabric. They (the ult-right group) targets a group of expressionists (artists, writers, activists, etc) as being the instrument of degeneracy, spreading faggotry, etc. The ult-right group infiltrates regular conservative groups, adopt slogans of other groups (i.e take Unionist rhetoric, technocratic rhetoric, etc) to appeal to the masses. Note how I said rhetoric: the ult-right is only shallowly chameleon in terms of politics.

>>1649713

If you bothered to check the facts you'd notice that the hebrews indeed control pretty much everything nowadays.
But of course you won't because you're a shill.

This has already been perfectly explained here:

http://www.academia.edu/10149049/The_Origins_and_Ideological_Function_of_Cultural_Marxism

>>1648365
They're "democratic confederalists", not communists. They disavowed communism decades ago.

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>>1649630
only buzzword here is "alt-right"

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>>1649828
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

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>>1649873
keep going

>>1649799
It's the opposite. They weren't communist before, they were leninists/stalinists, and have (kinda) moved towards communism recently.

>>1645796
>stormcuck sculpture
>american astronaut, 24 years after they beat the nazis
>Patton, busy beating nazis
Hmm... I'll guess that you're one of those who get random chinese signs as a tattoo.

>>1645780
>I don't get it. Its not a real thing. And if it was, how is it Marxist, exactly?


It's just everything they don't like. It's largely used as a word to rile up the less intelligent right wingers by the more intelligent ones. When right wingers who were familiar with Marxist theory looked at it, they correctly asked asked "When the fuck did Marxism become an Idealist conceptual scheme?"

>>1649436
So again, what does this have to do with Marxism? Marxism is a method of analysis, not a positive program. Anti-Racism, Anti-Sexism, etc are not unique to Marxism and manifest themselves in different ways depending on position (Marxist anti-racism is not Liberal anti-racism), and Marxists have been the biggest critics of ID=Pol and Political Correctness for years.

Is it just attaching the word "Marxism" to something in order to make it scarier to idiots?

>>1645796
>Unironically believing in the race meme and not realizing that the world is actually segregated by wealth and the social and political status that comes with it.

Go read something else besides 4chan, kiddo.

>>1648460

>Euro/US civilization is the only civilization left

What about China, India, and Japan? Assuming we're talking about highly developed countries here.

>>1648658
>>you can marry in a church without being religious
>No you cannot.

Its literally how most people get married in Japan.

They don't even get as real priest most of the time, just some guy.

>>1649663

>>1645780 (OP)
You can't argue with people who spam "Patriarchy!" everywhere.
It's just like arguing with someone who believes that radicalism based on mass propaganda has never been tried before, and that history is just a white invention made to persecuting minorities (just like history was a perpetual opression of the proletariat). There is no argument.
No evidence.
Nothing except retards spamming the same statements everywhere.
New left doesn't seek to win debates.
New left only desires a cultural hegemony on the internet where they can roll back justice and law progress of the last centuries to some subjective system of privileges based on statistics that are late by at least 20 years.

>mfw a girl who knew nothing about history or philosophy at all change his study from STEM to social work and now he spouts new left memes on internet 24/7 thinking she is the hot shit

she has no philosophical or historical formation so she only needed 1 month to get enlightened by the superior academia knowledge

>>1650177
Hello Karl

>>1650827

fuck i got so many grammar errors pls forgive me

>>1650761
What the fuck does JAPAN have to do with marriage practices in America and Europe moron?