Outnumbered Military Victories

>>1642386
The entirety of Gjergj Skanderbeg's life, after he declared indipendence for his people from the ottomans.

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How about outgunned victories?

>>1642386
The Battle of Long Tan.

Recently was the 50th anniversary of it. Have a read it's some pretty hairy stuff those blokes went through.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Long_Tan

Rorke's Drift

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>>1642386
Boudicca BTFO

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Winter war and continuation war

>>1642386

>What are some famous military battles or wars that were won by a force that was greatly outnumbered?

Pretty much any battle between the US army and pre-American tribes.

Wasnt won but the outnumbered forces at the Imjin River gave the chinese a bloody nose

>>1642386
Battle of Midway

me in total war

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>>1642405

We will never ever know if those numbers are even remotely correct, Albanians are famous for historical revisionism and flat out making things up, its like believing 300 Spartans fought against 3 million Persians.

Now for real outnumbered battles.

>>1642386
Battle of Cannae
Most of Caesar's battles in Gaul

Choisin

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May I present

The casualty count looks weird because of soviet reinforcements

>>1642600
He said outnumbered

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>On 23 June 1314 two of the English cavalry formations advanced, the first commanded by the Earl of Gloucester and the Earl of Hereford.[10] They encountered a body of Scots, among them Robert the Bruce himself.[10] A celebrated single combat then took place between Bruce and Henry de Bohun who was the nephew of the Earl of Hereford.[10] Bohun charged at Bruce and when the two passed side by side, Bruce split Bohun's head with his axe.

screw this I see this crap posted so often I'd like to for once see a victory in which an army that outnumbers the enemy wins(outside of WW2)

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winter war. battles of suomussalmi and raate road in particular.

The Battle of Cerami

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cerami

>>1642661
>unknown
>exaggerated

Doesn't really sound worthwhile

>>1642655
That's fucking predictable, though. WW2, WW1, generally in a large war, quantity/quality.

>>1642667

even if you consider just half or 1/4 of those figures, they were clearly heavily outnumbered.

>>1642676
*quantity>quality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okehazama

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>>1642416
>decisive emu victory
every time

>>1642485
>win after your fire base gets attacked.

>>1642684
quantity is a quality of it's own

>>1642569
The Finns lost both of those.

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>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Samar

The United States Navy's finest hour tbqh.

>>1642644
>3 CV and a handful of cruisers v 4 CV and all of Japanese battle line
>not outnumbered
WeW

>>1643044
Winter war was a defensive victory tbf, Soviets failed to conquer Finland

>>1643066
Yes, but the Soviet started crushing the Finnish Army once the winter ended, and the Finns themselves sued for peace and gave up Karelia.

>>1642565
I do hope people glance at that with instinctual scepticism and not fact.

>>1643070
Yes Finland lost the continuation war
Anyway the wars were worse off for the Soviets due to all the soldiers and equipment they lost, also their reputation was ruined after the winter war having suffered so much and gained so little to a nation with a small population.

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>>1642553
Here's a more impressive Rorke's Drift
Same number difference, but French with muskets against Turkish cavalry with sabers and muskets, rather than Brits with machine guns against Nignogs with sticks

Napoleon at Austerlitz

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>>1643092
Jena was even more impressive imo

>>1643087
They were't turks they were Egyptian irregulars with terrible training and morale, meanwhile the Zulus had extremely high morale and didn't stop attacking for a day and a night.

>>1642598
The Glosters stalled the Chinese enough for the allies to gather enough troops to stop China from taking Seoul so arguably was a victory to some extent

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>>1642386
this battle created a new word Spanish word.

""As a result of the battle, the word "bicoca"—meaning a bargain, or something acquired at little cost—entered the Spanish language.""

>>1643103
>They were't turks they were Egyptian
Nope, this is the Levant campaign, not the Egyptian one
Most were turks, some were Syrians

>meanwhile the Zulus had extremely high morale and didn't stop attacking for a day and a night.
Good joke bro
Zulus were utter shit and the technological gap was huge, unlike at Mount Tabor
Btw, the French squares at Mount Tabor sustained constant Turkish assault from 6am to 4pm, and only a clever move from Napoleon with 300 good men permitted to route the Turks and survive that highly unequal battle

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>>1643144
>Levant camping
>Egyptian campaign

Ah the ones where the French got btfo by the British?

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What is particularly impressive about this one is that the soviets were in a defensive position

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>>1643103
>bong unironically tries to imply that defeating spear wielding nogs on foot with late 19th century weaponery is harder than defeating musket/saber wielding turkish/arab cavalry with muskets

>>1643103
No, they weren't. They were an army sent by the Ottoman sultan to Egypt.

>>1643131
OP said "greatly outnumbered"
18,000+ vs 19,000 does not apply

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>>1643163
>>1643164
>Be French
>fight some inexperienced turks
>suddenly real soldiers come
>get btfo at the battle of the nile
>Napoleon himself gets btfo by the british navy at the siege of acre
>get btfo at the battle of alexandria by an outnumbered British army low on supplies
>get driven out like the little runts they were

>>1643176
Are you retarded?
The Battle of the Nile was a naval battle, monkey
The French navy was known to be shit (much like the British army)

>>1643080
>implying Tacitus is any more a liar than any other historical source when describing battles

>>1643194
Yes it was a naval battle, so?

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>mfw some anon went and edited wiki pages of battles and wars mention itt because he was so butthurt

>>1643202
So it is dumb to compare it with Mount Tabor
The French navy was as bad as the British army was

>>1643211
battle of alexandria I mentioned was between 2 armies

>>1643211
>French navy as bad as British army
>French army gets btfo by British army at Waterloo

>>1643198
>>1643080
>implying everything we know even math isn't off by a smidge but we will never attain absolute knowledge and thus never know

>>1643232
You mean by a German-Dutch army lead by an Irishman
And that had to be saved by the Prussians

>>1643236
Wot

>>1643237
t.butthurt frog

Nappy got btfo by an admittedly worse general who commanded a supposedly worse army. Seems like nappy left some things behind back on Elba

>>1643248
>Nappy got btfo by an admittedly worse general who commanded a supposedly worse army

Numbers are a hell of an advantage

>>1643252
Napoleon failed to defeat Wellington's numerically inferior army before being btfo by reinforcements

>>1643252
See
>>>literally the entire thread

>>1643273
He was about to, then the Prussians arrived

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>>1643279
>be napoleon
>wins against massive odds countless times like at Austerlitz
>can't even beat a smaller army in time commanded by a politician who hated war

>>1643293
>Be Napoleon
>Wins incredible victories thank to genius leadership combined with troops experienced from the 1793-1802 wars
>Lose most of your army in Russia
>Have to make a new one with conscripts
>Stall for a few hours with your 73,000 strong army against the 68,000 strong "British" one (wow such numerical difference)
>Suddenly, when you're about to win, 50,000 Prussians arrive, shifting the numbers from about equals to heavily outnumbered

>>1642643
Except America lost.

>>1642833
Imagine being French then, you have the strongest army in Europe then suddenly it keeps getting wiped out by a couple 1000 English peasants

>>1643333
France didnt have the strongest army in Europe during the HYW
They only did from 1643 to 1815

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>>1642833
>>1643333
Cool cherrypicking bro

>>1643055
I love studying Leyte Gulf. So many interesting nuances

>>1642645
>the Scotichronicon
is that like the scottish necronomicon

>>1643343
More like 1643-1697 and then 1792-1815

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Myeongnyang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Noryang

13 ships (no losses) > 120-330 ships (30 losses)

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>>1644035
Nah, France still had the most powerful army during the Spanish Succession given how it required the combined forces of Europe to stale them
I'd say Prussia was above them during the Seven Years War though

>>1644046
The French army during the SYW was an utter embarassment. Of course prussia was way above them
And yes, you're right about the french army during the WSS. Though it was here the french army lost supremacy.

>>1644068
>The French army during the SYW was an utter embarassment.

They performed pretty well in North America, holding for a decade while outnumbered 4 to 1
But yeah, they were utter garbage in Europe

>>1643080
Well now that boudicca raised every fighting man she could find, and we know she got crushed. We also know the size of the roman force.

The exact number is off, but that a crushing victory was won is not in doubt.

>>1644077
Yeah I forgot about the North American theatre
it didn't suffer from the rampant corruption, indiscipline and awful leadership the french suffered in europe, as to live and exist in north america back then and specially in the frontier you had to be a tough cunt. But damn the french european army was JUST: the armed focers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Domažlice
>Outnumber enemy more than 2:1
>Have better equipment
>Still rout before actual engagement

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>>1644077
>mfw the French got kicked out of Hanover by the fucking British of all people during the 7YW

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pretty much every battle lead by this guy

>>1643121
But the Chinese did take Seoul

>>1644384
Truly the will of Allah

>>1644384
>battle of fizar
>Byzantines and Sassanids teaming up like it's a comic book
>brain dead Arabs think this makes sense

Why are Muslims so dishonest? You'd think the majority being Sunni they wouldn't use Taqiyya

>>1643055
>400 aircraft

Right.

>>1643121
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Battle_of_Seoul

>>1644549
None of them armed with anti-ship munitions.

>>1644555
And?

>>1644557
That means they couldn't do anything beyond harassment. The IJN had managed to close within gun range, so it's not like they were being interdicted far away.

Literally all that stood in between the Japanese and the invasion fleet at Leyte were those 6 destroyers and destroyer escorts.

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>800 against 100,000 and Zhang Liao demolished Sun Quan’s army. Though Sun Quan’s forces outnumbered Zhang Liao’s 125 to 1, it was Sun Quan who retreated. This is simply the most astonishing display of might and courage of the Three Kingdoms, and quite possibly in all of human history. Zhang Liao had been famous for his prowess and bravery for many years, but this battle set him on a whole other level. He was not just another mighty warrior, he was a man in a league all of his own, a superhuman death machine without compare. There are no words that can adequately describe him. He was simply something else entirely.

Is there anyone better than Zhang Liao?

>>1644571
And? This is supposed to be out numbered.

>400 planes in the sky does nothing to morale
xD

Irish war of Independence

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>>1642386
Here you go OP
The Battle of Yultong (Filipino: Labanan sa Yuldong), also known as the Battle of Meiluodong (Chinese: 美罗洞战斗; pinyin: Měiluódòng Zhàndòu), was a battle of the Korean War. It was fought between elements of the Chinese People's Volunteer Army 44th Division and the Filipino 10th Battalion Combat Team (BCT), north of Yeoncheon during April 22–23, 1951.

As part of the First Chinese Spring Offensive, the Chinese 44th Division attacked the US 65th Infantry Regiment of the US 3rd Infantry Division near Yeoncheon on the night of April 22. The Filipino 10th BCT, part of the 65th Infantry Regiment, was soon trapped at the Yultong area by 23:00. Although the 10th BCT had lost all contacts with the outside world, the Filipinos held their position until the Chinese stopped their attacks on the morning of April 23. The 10th BCT's action at Yultong allowed the US 3rd Infantry Division to successfully withdraw from the battlefield.

>>1644541
It's an attempt to soothe their anger at being military impotent in the modern era.

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Battle of Yarmouk

>>1644541
They actually did team up though.

>>1642598
If we're going to count "bloody noses" we might as well talk about Thermopylae.

>>1643446
... Wait, La Hire was a real person?

Battle o samosierra/somosierra

This charge was pretty insane

>>1643084
"Lost" is a strong word. After all the Finns managed to remain an independent democratic nation because of it. If it had been a true defeat Finland would have been reduced to another shithole Communist Warsaw Pact Puppet. Yea they had to remain neutral in the Cold War and give up Karelia but thats's a small price to pay in order to not become another conquered slave of the Kremlin.

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Battle Of Cannae. Dumb Romans.

>>1644603
Well considering that those planes had 400 men on them, maybe a few two seaters bumping the number up to 450 or so, that still leaves the American force horribly outnumbered, yes. The Japanese naval fleet was incredibly large. 400 men per ship (on the not so large ships, larg ships had a lot more men) versus 400 men in the air?

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Five to one

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>>1646026
Well yes. Why is it surprising?

It's a pity that he died before Jeanne's retrial as he would have been a great source of informations.

>>1645989
Never understood how the romans could have been so incompetent with such a massive cav and infantry superiority. If the muslims were really so few in numbers, and their cavalry numerous enough to deliver the killing blow, how did their thin line of infantry hold back the disciplined roman lines without getting outflanked?

>>1646864
the muslim infantry lines were almost broken everytime they engaged the disciplined byzantines infantry, but khalid managed to manouver his reserve cav literally every single time just in time for the infantry to regroup as you can see here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk#Day_4

also

>The centre of the Muslim army was pinned down and its flanks had been pushed back. However, neither flank had broken, though their morale was severely damaged.[68] The retreating Muslim army was met by the ferocious Arab women in the camps.[60] Led by Hind, the Muslim women dismantled their tents and armed with tent poles charged at their husbands and fellow men singing an improvised song from the Battle of Uhud that then had been directed against the Muslims.

>O you who run from a constant woman
Who has both beauty and virtue;
And leave her to the infidel,
The hated and evil infidel,
To possess, disgrace and ruin.[67]

>This boiled the blood of the retreating Muslims so much that they returned to the battlefield.[69]


basically superior moral and competent general i guess, khalids really was one of a kind

>>1646902
Makes sense, thanks

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>>1642386
>inb4 Pooland

Only some of them, but in majority of battles we were outnumbered.

>>1643087
>rather than Brits with machine guns against Nignogs with sticks

the british only had single shot rifles, many of them were there because they were on the sick list and the zulus had nearly as many guns as the british, having captured them from the british in earlier encounters, although admittedly they werent trained with them.

>>1646001
glosters did delay a corps of the chinese army for long enough for the rest of the army to withdraw in good order and set up a defensive line, sure they got mauled doing it but they expected to get mauled

>>1642386
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Flodden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pinkie_Cleugh

also most colonial battles

>>1644571
They had already sunk 4 cruisers out of 6 so I think they could do a bit more than harassment.

>>1647812
>Battle of New Orlean
>Jean Lafitte has an American flag

>Siege of Yorktown
>Lafayette has an American flag

You guys really hate France, don't you?

>>1647867
Not this Burger. Though since WWI and WWII,
we've paid them back.

>>1647867
Dank frenchman comes to america and helps the americans btfo the British and doesn't afraid of anything.
Didn't he get made an honorary citizen? if so that probably has something to do with the flag and he isn't the only one who came to the united states to fuck with the british.
[spoiler]now someone post john paul jones[/spoiler]

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>"""""""""""""""Great""""""""""""""" Ming

How about 1:100
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hod%C3%B3w

>>1650759
Eunuchs,not even once.

>>1650759
The first Ming Emperor's general burnt the Mongol capital of Karakorum to the ground.

A lot of emperors' heirs become complacent and soft from the comfort of life and thus weak.

But yes, the Ming was great. They defeated the Dutch and Portuguese.

>>1643198
Tacitus had relatives at the battle so he had a vested interest