Is the Bible really full of contradictions as atheists claim

Yeah

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>>1639959
Care to explain? In the context of my next post.

>>1639959
Anyone who thinks so is free to post their favorite one here.

The entire old testament is a stolen and rebranded recollection of ancient pagan arabo-mesopotamian myths from the pre-christian era, what do you expect? Same goes for the other monotheistic books too

>>1639975
Prove it.

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>>1639970
my next post.

>>1639989
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panbabylonism

the bible wasn't writen by just one person

>>1639999
It's like the Sopranos. It's over. Pick another show to watch.

Panbabylonism was a hyperdiffusionist school of thought within Assyriology and religious studies that considered the cultures and religions of the middle east and civilization in general to be ultimately derived from Babylonian astronomy and astrology. A related school of thought is the Bible-Babel school, which regarded the Hebrew Bible and Judaism to be directly derived from Mesopotamian (Babylonian) mythology.[1] Both theories were popular in Germany, and the height of Panbabylonism was from late 19th century to World War I. Panbabylonist thought largely disappeared from legitimate scholarship after the death of one of its greatest proponents, Hugo Winckler.[1] Modern Panbabylonist arguments are considered to be a form of psuedoscience.[1]

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>>1639959
No and no.

For example the last one claims that since those verses say that God dwells in Zion and is also present in the Heavens, it's somehow a """"""contradiction"""""".

This image also takes advantage of proddies' KJV's mistranslations.

There are no contradictions in the Holy Bible. None. Zero.

https://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=4288

Never fall for atheist lies and mohammedans' mental gymnastics are laughable.

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>>1640007
Sure thing buddy.

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>>1639999
Just use my image, work on it yourself mang. I am
>>1639970
>>1639993
I use these arguments all the time, it is always met with silence. People also assume I am atheist because I deny christian doctrines.

>>1640014

This is how I know you're lost.

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>>1640002
...and everything is in perfect harmony.

>>1640015
Read the last sentence again. That's you. A form of pseudoscience.

>>1640018
Christian doctrine is that there is one God, and He is Christ Jesus.

By denying that, you actually are an atheist.

>>1640021
Your King isn't perfect and it's so mistranslated that atheists rub their hands and are able to present many actual difficulties from it.

>>1640027
>By denying that, you actually are an atheist.

But I do not deny the existence of god.

xD, you're literally retarded and actually just proved my point.

>>1640015
Noah is Utnapishtim in the Epic.

Same guy. Same flood. Told by the Sumerians, evil people, first, and then told by Moses with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God.

All ancient cultures speak of a global flood.

>>1640031
Your papist bible feminizes the proto-evangelion. I'll take a few thees and thous over that, all day, every day.

>>1640037
Which state are you from?

>>1640036
No, you just think you're not an atheist.

There is only one God (you say no).
He is Jesus (you say no).

There are no other gods for you to believe in; you're an atheist.

>>1640040
Consciousness. You should try visiting sometime.

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>>1640039
>having mommy issues

>>1640037
Except there was no flood, so all it means was the Israelites copied other people's fairy tales.

>>1640043
Kek, nice mental gymnastics.

>>1640046
I'm a baptist. I'm just wondering.

http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=4288
http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=4288
http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=4288
http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=4288

>>1640050
Saying Mary crushes the serpent is an abomination, and blasphemy. It takes mommy issues to be a papist, actually. Mommy save us. Mommy talk to daddy for us. Mommy help me.

>>1640053
Except that there was a global flood.

>>1640024
The belief that all mythology derives from Babylonian mythology is pseudoscience, but you can make a good case Judaism being derived from it.

>>1640055
I'm in So Cal.

>>1640065
Show me the 613 commandments of Judaism in another people's history.

>>1640061
I'll take 061 of those, to correspond to your post, as there are many.

61. How many believers were there at the time of the ascension?

61. How many believers were there at the time of the ascension?
There were 120 believers after the ascension. (Acts 1:15)
Wrong. The people in Galilee had followed Jesus in great numbers. After the ascension (Jerusalem, mount of Olives) there were at least 120 believers together in Jerusalem.

There were more than 500 believers before the ascension. (1 Corinthians 15:6)
Wrong. The people in Galilee had followed Jesus in great numbers. Jesus revealed himself to more than 500 brethren, this was certainly in Galilee and not in Jerusalem. Jesus had said to his disciples to go to Galilee as he wanted to reveal himself there.
No Contradiction

Er, okay, I'm a bit confused. Were you not trying to show contradictions?

>>1640053
Only this would be impossible to prove.

If source information was ever transferred to newer forms documentation, that would make the source material appear younger than it actually was.

All we have to go on, is the most recent documentation.

>>1640065
I have zero problems saying that all paganism began at Babylon. It clearly did, at least so far as we can tell, the former being wiped out by the Flood.

But Judaism? No, that was unique. God never took for Himself a different people than Abraham's descendants.

>>1640063
Why is it so hard for people to believe a global flood and it being inside most cultures is evidence of out utter lack of understanding?

I mean, if you walk up a mountain and you find sea shells, if the current idea about how everything happened is some super power, of course a flood is going to be the go to idea, you are not going to be able to say, without prior knowledge, the mountains were at one stage in the earth development under water and these shells are remnants of the rising of mountains.

One year when the crops didn't grow, it's gods fault - we didn't know about seasons, about fertility about taking care of the ground, god did everything.

We had little empirical knowledge.

>>1640078
>We had little empirical knowledge.

Our myths and reasoning reflect that*

>>1640062
Jesus crushed the serpent directly and was directly struck by the serpent; Mary, through her cooperation in the incarnation and her witnessing the sufferings and death of her Son, indirectly crushed the serpent and was indirectly struck by the serpent.

Through her cooperation in the incarnation of Christ, so that the Son of God (who, from the cross, directly crushed the head of the serpent) became her seed, Mary did crush the head of the serpent. In the same way, the serpent struck at Christ on the cross, and indirectly struck at Mary’s heart as well, who had to witness the death of her own Son (cf. John 19:25-27). As the holy priest Simeon had told her years before:

“Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is spoken against — and a sword will pierce through your own soul also — that thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed” (Luke 2:34b-35).

>>1640077
wow, you just subscribed to the part of panbabylonism that's deemed pseudoscience

>>1640078
It's a spiritual problem, not an evidence problem. I'll show you the verse.

2 Peter 3
...knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

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>>1640053
>there was no flood

>>1640082
Abomination
Blasphemy
Mother Earth Cult

Pick all of the above.

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>>1640053
>fairy tales

>>1640089
Funny how you will take parts of the bible, forget the rest. Care to explain?

>>1639970

Again, no responses, literally second post ITT.

>>1640087
That's because it's not a scientific field.

Semiramis, Queen of Babylon, is Ishtar; is Isis; is Mary the Queen of Heaven. Same pagan goddess. Different names.

Nimrod is Odin is Osiris etc.

>>1640102
I don't forget any of it.

In order to believe in evolution, you have to deny that the world was created a mere few thousand years ago, and flooded not long thereafter.

You have to believe that everything in the past is as we see it today.

You have to believe that the world as created is basically what we have today, incrementally changed over billions of years.

Those people God calls scoffers.

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>>1640094
>no arguments
>triggered
Rage on, pawn of Satan.

They're only called contradictions by people that don't know any better. This guy goes through all the ones I've heard of.

https://www.youtube.com/user/InspiringPhilosophy

Is there anything you have honestly learnt from the Bible besides a gateway to history?

>>1640112
Your bible is the only bible to feminize the proto-evangelion, you defended it, and it hasn't even always been thus.

Your weak arguments about how Mary was necessary for Jesus to defeat the devil are absurd.

Your worship of Mary is an abomination, idolatrous, and blasphemous.

You need to defend yourself against Jesus.

Luckily, of course, the real Mary has never heard of you, and likely will never have to meet you. That would be awkward.

>>1640113
This guy did a heck of a lot of work on it too.

http://www.berenddeboer.net/sab/acts/1.html

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>>1640093
>>1640096
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_geology

>The scientific community considers flood geology to be pseudoscience because it contradicts the scientific consensus in geology, stratigraphy, geophysics, physics, paleontology, biology, anthropology, and archeology.[5][6][7] Modern geology, its sub-disciplines and other scientific disciplines utilize the scientific method to analyze the geology of the earth. The key tenets of flood geology are refuted by scientific analysis and do not have any standing in the scientific community

>>1640124
>because it contradicts the scientific consensus

Mob rules.

>>1640124
>The key tenets of flood geology are refuted

Not even once.

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How is this even a discussion?

If Moses wrote on a rock, that would have to be transferred to another platform or medium for the sake of preservation. This process would have to be repeated over and over only further distorting the ability to narrow down the true age of the source material. All anyone has to go on is the most recent preserved transfer.

How can anyone expect to be taken seriously to argue something as vague as this?

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>>1639993
Yes, there are indeed countless PROTESTANT denominations.

But Christ founded only one Church, which is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

One Flock (church), one Shepherd (Pope) >>1639912

>>1640109
kek, what denomination are you? If you don't follow the OT word for word, you've literally failed god's test.

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>>1640124
>evolutionists disagree
shocking

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>>1640121
>You need to defend yourself against Jesus.
Ya blew it. Nice try pawn of Satan.

>worship
Only the Holy Trinity.
>idolatrous
venerating the Saints and Mary =/= idolatry
dulia and hyperdulia =/= latria

>>1640140
Do people who really believe in these Chick Tracts actually exist?

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>>1640147
Not an argument.

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The Ugaritic storm god Baal Hadad slays a sea serpent named Lotan
The cloud riding Yahweh who's voice is thunder and arrows are lightning slays a sea serpent named Leviathan

What a coincidence!

>>1640165
>every biblical book is meant to be historical

>>1640137
Come now, don't run away.

>>1640169
that really doesn't matter here. regardless of whether it is a "metaphor" we have a good example of the bible reusing canaanite religious imagery and stories

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>>1639959
it's helpful to think of the bible not in terms of being full of contradictions, since every denomination finds some braindead way to ignore the inconsistencies or explain them away, but rather to think of the bible in terms of being full of bullshit

the ot is fairy tales and bad writing of a bunch of jewish cucks
the nt is the ramblings of a bunch of apocalyptic cultists
the koran is christian fanfiction

>>1640208
No we don't.

>>1640211
>>>/r/atheism

>>1640211
>the ot is fairy tales and bad writing of a bunch of jewish cucks
but it has some epic puns, like when someone calls Elijah a man of god (ish elohim) so he calls down fire from god to burn the man alive (esh elohim)

>>1640146
You don't even worship Mary, you worship Mystery Babylon, mother of harlots and abominations of the Earth

>>1640228
>look pastor! I posted it again!

>>1640225
kind of like how doctor otto octavius turns into doctor octopus

>>1639959
Yep.

>>1639971
"And the LORD was with Judah; and he
drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not
drive out [the inhabitants of] the valley, because they had
chariots of iron."
- Judges 1:19

"But Jesus beheld
[them,] and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but
with God all things are possible."
- Matthew 19:26

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>>1640232

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>>1640237

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>>1640238
See >>1610680

>>1640237
http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=2229

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>>1640249
See >>1640238

>>1640253
>With God anything is possible
>God was with Juda
>Juda couldn't drive out the iron chariots, despite God being with him.
This pointless rhetoric doesn't even address that. It just dances around it. Maybe you should read before you link.

>>1640241
The salt is real.

>>1640284
>With God anything is possible
This doesn't imply what you think it implies.

>>1640284
Go be euphoric elsewhere

>>1640249
>look father! i posted it again!

>>1640135
This is bullshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdXJzgtiM4E

>>1640303
>there aren't 33000 denominations! just a little less!

>>1640288
I think it implies that when an omnipotent being wants you to succeed at something, you will succeed at that something. Even if that means the omnipotent being has to do some crazy ass magical shit to make it happen.

>>1640292
You mad.

>>1640309
>i deliberalitly ignore reality so i can keep spreading my disinfo

>>1640316
>disinfo
I never mentioned the number 33000.

>>1640361
Yet you continue to claim there are thousands
All you papists do is disinfo. You can't withstand legitemate examination.

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>>1640367
>All you papists do is disinfo
That's rich coming from a proddy.

>>1640228
>mother of harlots
so protestant churches?

>>1640383
Is that what a papal bull is?

>>1639959
There are tons of things that seem like obvious contradictions but Christians have spent centuries coming up with headcanons to retcon them into making sense.

>>1640135
>But Christ founded only one Church, which is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

That's not the point and is being argued outside of the context.

Context being anyone saying anything else than what Jesus said is literal heresy trying to lead you astray.

All those other denominations are literally Satan's work, if you don't follow anything but the OT you failed.

Reminder that this Anti-Catholic shitposter is an atheist from /pol/:
>>1640238
>>1640266
>>1640383

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>>1640487
>still no argument
>literally triggered

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>>1640444
Do you even know what Jesus said?

>All those other denominations are literally Satan's work
Yes, generated by his pawn Martin Luther: >>1610680

>>1640490
You can post all the meme images you want but you won't change Scripture and Church history my role-playing friend: >>1639907 >>1639912

>>1640496
>look father, i posted it again xD

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>>1640503
>no argument

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>>1640516
>Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

>Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

>And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exodus 20:4-6

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>>1640520
>I am biblically illiterate
It shows.

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>>1640535
>lol idolatry is ok xD
'no'

you religious role players of all kinds are beyond cringe, holy fuck

>>1640237
The classic interpretation is that God did nothing because of the lack of faith of Judah.

And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. -Matthew 13:57

And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. -Matthew 13:58

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>>1640540
venerating the Saints and Mary =/= idolatry
dulia and hyperdulia =/= latria

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>>1640570
There's only one roleplayer here and he's actually an atheist from /pol/.

>atheists
>not cringe
Silly nu-male.

Now crawl back to /r/atheism.

>>1640214
What happened then? Judaism degenerated into Caananite, Babylonian paganism?

>>1639959
>full of contradictions as atheists claim

Not really, they tend to be pretty broad about what "contradicts" what. I mean I've looked at the Skeptics Annotated Bible and it's pretty obvious that whoever was reading was incapable of detecting any sort of nuance.

>corrupted as muslims claim

Also no, scripture today is as it was back then. This is one of the reasons I don't buy Islam. If scripture was corrupted you'd think they'd be able to show it somehow.

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>>1640631
You expect me to take you seriously while you're vomiting stale memes from /r/atheism?

>>1640641
Please, enlighten me, so I'll know better than to post /r/atheism me

>>1640657
memes*

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>>1639959
did you know that if you map the ratios of the contradictions in the bible into a 2d array you get the golden ratio

god's glory is magnificent and mysterious

>>1640623
>worship =/= worship

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>>1640706

>>1640623
tower of latria is a great stage

>>1640109
>the world was created a mere few thousand years ago, and flooded not long thereafter
It wasn't.

> everything in the past is as we see it today.
Laws of physics are proven to be consistent.
>special pleading

>the world as created
It's not "created", until you prove it was "created".

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>>1640866
Get a load of this fedora.

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>>1640965
Get a load of this disgrace to the Faith and science.

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>>1641121

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>>1641123

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>>1641128
>damage control

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>>1641136
>meme-tier arguments

>>1641143

Thank you based anon. BTFO Creationist cucks

>>1641143

a few of those "between species" still exist :)

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>>1641156
You are very most welcome, though I doo wish the "march of progress" images were a bit more updated, like this one. Not the most accurate, but it still works.

>>1639959
the answer is: who cares?

>>1641178

There are a great many people who hold that the word tokens of the Bible constitute meaningfully declarative word tokens.

If it may be sufficiently shown that the word tokens in the Bible are not meaningfully declarative word tokens, that would remove those word tokens as a source for potential justification of any given set arguments

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>>1641143
>damage control

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>>1641217
Any other buzzwords you wanna use?

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>>1641230
You're being fooled by the scientific community and NASA too.

spoiler alert: there's no life out there in space, star wars is fiction

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>>1641245
>people actually believe this conspiratard bullshit

>>1639959
I've actually read that & I say over half of those are nonsense. Some are basically "Bob said he'd go the right way but he went left! Contradiction!" or something equally retarded.

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>>1641249
>triggered

>>1639959
Fuck the Holy Spirit.
Jesus pls grant me salvation.
Oh wait, I'm condemned :(

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>>1641260
>"Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven." There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept His mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.
CCC 1864

>>1640572
>The classic interpretation is that God did nothing because of the lack of faith of Judah.
Except it doesn't say that in the Bible. It says Juda was unable to drive out the chariots BECAUSE they're iron, not because of lack of faith.

Where are you getting this interpretation? You're own head canon?

Also, Matthew says "with God all things are possible", it does not say "with God all things are possible, as long as you have faith". Are you saying God's omnipotent power is limited by his believer's faith? If so, he isn't omnipotent.

>>1641260
>le blapshemy challenge xDDDDD
kys

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>>1641259
Pando says hi.

>>1640237
>literally a translation error
Even without such, anyone who has read the verses prior & after can tell that it's a list of military accomplishments by Judah. The "he" (which isn't even the translation used in many versions) rather obviously refers to Judah.

>>1640211
>OT
>bad writing

My condolences for your plebness anon

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>>1641273
>root system
>tree
It's antediluvian.

>>1640093
>>1640096

>>1640284
>bible has multiple cases where someone doubts & they immediately fail as a result
>even in that same book
See me afterschool. You'll need some extra lessons for your failing English grade.

>>1641269
>with God all things are possible
>with God
>person decides to do shit God doesn't like
>God decides he doesn't deserve victory & isn't with him
I don't know how someone can't grasp that. Such an occurrence happens everywhere in the Bible. Even treating the thing as a novel & reading it that way I still see multiple cases implying God made someone fail because of a lack of loyalty.

>>1641279
see
>>1641269

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>>1641275
>The "he" (which isn't even the translation used in many versions) rather obviously refers to Judah.
That's not even being disputed.

>>1641290
See the contents of my toilet bowl. What nonsense is there? Multiple cases within the book there are times where someone failed because they disobeyed. One invasion failed because someone took & hid some loot from the previous sacking.

>>1641292
Where is the issue then? It claimed that Judah failed.

>>1641288
Why do you respond to posts you don't read?

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>>1641278
Congrats, your fossils show that shit happens. Not sure how that automatically proves a global flood happened, but ok. To each his own.

>>1641298
Why do you respond to books you've never read? I've read the post & found nothing but garbage.

>>1641295
>Multiple cases within the book there are times where someone failed because they disobeyed.
But how is this case one of those cases?

>>1641297
> It claimed that Judah failed.
That's the issue.

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>>1641306
I've read more of the Bible than you sunny.

There are hundreds of contradictions.
Some could be interpreted as "additional commentary" and even more could be weaseled around by saying "perhaps something changed".

However when the bible makes an absolute declaration or references it's town history and there's a clear contradiction, then there is no way around that.

Examples:

Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
Heli (Luke 3:23)

Did Jesus bear his own cross?
Yes (John 19:17)
No (Matthew 27:31-32)

And so on.

>http://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm

>http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

>>1641313
Argument from Dunning Kruger Effect and
Argument from Ignorance
are fallacies, dingbat.

>>1641307
>That's the issue.
>a guy fucked up
So? Even times where the bible described someone as holy they sometimes are said to have fucked up.

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>>1641300
Evolution is a myth and NASA is lying to you, sorry.

>>1641313
I've fucked a hundred women per day while eating goat shit. I've found a way to make M. Night Shaymalan make a good movie. I can make hollow claims too.

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>>1641323

>>1641332
>muh conspiracy
>fuck physical proof that always is more rational than anchored narratives
>muh beliefs

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>>1641332
You can do as you wish, just don't get involved in education or politics.

>>1641337
How am I projecting?
All I did was analytically point out fallacies you used.
Quote me.

>>1641329
>Even times where the bible described someone as holy they sometimes are said to have fucked up.
The Bible also stated that he wouldn't fail under the circumstances he was under.

>>1641307
>But how is this case one of those cases?
I went ahead & searched "Book of Judges" & I found that Chapter 2 said:

"And an angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this?

3 Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you."

Looks like they did disobey in one way or another.

>>1641345
>The Bible also stated that he wouldn't fail under the circumstances he was under
I'll need a citation of both that part & some of the surrounding text.

>>1641343
No, those are the fallacies you're using.

>Quote me.
Ok

>Why do you respond to books you've never read?
Implying
>I've read the post & found nothing but garbage.
Opinion (a poor one too)
>I don't know how someone can't grasp that. Such an occurrence happens everywhere in the Bible. Even treating the thing as a novel & reading it that way I still see multiple cases implying God made someone fail because of a lack of loyalty.
Dribble that doesn't address the point I've made (I might even say you're "ignorant" of the point, and you're forming an "argument" out of that ignorance :^))

I'm assuming these are you btw.

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>>1641318
26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
Yes, that is correct.

Heli (Luke 3:23)
Wrong, Heli was the father of Mary. "23 … Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being, as was supposed, the son of Joseph, the son of Eli, 24 the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, …". (NASBu) It is strange to suppose, as the critic does, that Luke is giving here a list of Joseph's forefathers with the introduction "being, as supposed the son of Joseph". Of course we have to read "being – as supposed the son of Joseph – the son of Eli, …" In the old texts no reading marks are given, so we have to deduce them from the text logic. This also implies that Eli was the grandfather of Jesus and the father of Mary.

No Bible Contradiction

http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=308

49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?
Yes (John 19:17).
Wrong, “And He bearing his cross went forth into a place …”, the Greek here certainly means that Jesus bore his cross when he left Pilate, and not all the way along.

No (Matthew 27:31-32).
Right, Simon of Cyrene took over.

No Bible Contradiction

http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=324

>And so on
Go on nu-male.

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>>1641339
>>1641342
>they keep taking the bait

>>1641358
>implying
See >>1641298
>Opinion
>I think it's poor reasoning, no better than the other one

>Dribble that doesn't address the point I've made
>replying with worse dribble

>>1641358
Nice samefag call. There are other people here too.

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>>1641339
To be fair, they argue that everyobe's bias and presupposition becomes mixed in with every experiment we do. Problem is I can't tell if that means we should only listen to Christians, or one specific denomination, even if they're dead wrong.

>>1641358
You know, you're no better. How is anything you post different? Who's the judge of what's bad?

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>>1641366
Don't group me in with those fedora-tipping knuckle-draggers. I happen to be a member of BioLogos.

>>1641353
>Looks like they did disobey in one way or another.
But what is the relation to the specific event at hand? It states that when God is with them, they drive people out (of where ever), but not when God isn't. Except for one instance where God is with them and they can't drive out some chariots. What your quoting is the explanation of when God isn't with them. The explanation for the chariots, is because they're iron.

>>1641355
It's already been cited. Keep up.

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>>1641367
>>1641369
>>1641379
If you guys are so smart, then why can't you address the points I've made? Why do you dance around it with idiotic dribble? Why are so shocked that your idiotic nothings can't earn you a serious thought out response from me? Especially when it doesn't deserve one.

At least this guy is addressing my points. At least he's trying:
>>1641353

You get what you give.

>>1641387
Because see
>>1641353
>Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you."

And then

>And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

He was with them when they drove them out of the mountains, but he left them when they wanted to drive them out of the valley, because he needed them as a thorn in their side

>>1641418
But between those to passages it also says:
"Neither did Manasseh drive out [the inhabitants of]
Beth-shean and her towns, nor Taanach and her towns, nor
the inhabitants of Dor and her towns, nor the inhabitants of
Ibleam and her towns, nor the inhabitants of Megiddo and
her towns: but the Canaanites would dwell in that land."

"Neither did Ephraim drive out the Canaanites that
dwelt in Gezer; but the Canaanites dwelt in Gezer among
them."

"Neither did Zebulun drive out the inhabitants of
Kitron, nor the inhabitants of Nahalol; but the Canaanites
dwelt among them, and became tributaries."

It goes on, but you get the picture.

But right after "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." but before the other failures I've quoted it says "And the house of Joseph, they also went up against
Bethel: and the LORD [was] with them"

So, I think God was with Juda when he was up against the chariots. Also, because it cites them being iron as the reason for the failure.

Ok, I'm going to bed, it's late here. I guess read Judges for yourself, and form your own opinion on whether or not it's a contradiction. At least you cracked open the Bible to see for yourself. That's a lot more than what some of the idiots in this thread can say.

>>1641406
I think you've given me two (You)s there, including the bottom one. Your "points" have been addressed & you're just in denial. You haven't addressed any of my points with anything but garbage. As shown by >>1641418, you lack some basic understanding & literacy skills.

>>1641387
>already been cited
Even a link is too much? Come on, it could be any of them.

>>1641442
Every time iron chariots are mentioned in that period of the OT they're treated as some kind of superweapon, of which the Judeans were scared of. So I think it means that the Canaanites were simply more technologically advanced than the Judeans

>>1641447
See
>>1641442
It's clearly I've read the story and you haven't (I know you're skimming). Don't be so up your ass about how right you think you are.

>>1641449
Read the thread, or don't reply.

>>1641462
Yep. Back then it would seam feasible that God power wouldn't enough to stop an iron chariot. Now, it just seams silly. The good book doesn't age well.

>>1641442
Blimey, this is some serious grasping at one bloody quote. I can claim those iron chariots won because their God chose not to defend against them. If A stabbed B with a knife, I can say that the knife is a reason why B is dying & not be obligated to mention that C was there & didn't stop the blow. Taking a look through the previous books, there's a line that says

"But the mountain country shall be yours. Although it is wooded, you shall cut it down, and its farthest extent shall be yours; for you shall drive out the Canaanites, though they have iron chariots and are strong."

From Joshua which took place prior to Judges. Some simple common sense followed by the reading of previous books can say that Chariots > Israelites but Chariots < Israelites + God's help & said help wasn't present during that scene. This is the equivalent of a sentence saying "The bullet went through the bulletproof vest" as evidence that professionally made bulletproof vests don't work when the next sentence said "The bulletproof vest was a low-quality homemade piece, standing no chance against a bullet". This is why whenever I have a citation, I check it & ensure some wanker didn't cite out of context in their essay.

>>1641463
No, those don't work. You can cite your ass & it wouldn't matter. Did it say that "God was with them" for all of those? Your citation is meaningless, the very next chapter explains the reason for those defeats & you respond like this?

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>>1639959
Yes to the first, probably not, to the second. "Corruption" is a relative term - doesn't much matter if your Bible is written on undellable gold plates by God himself, fallible humans still have to read, and thus, interpret it - the Bible's only as corrupt as they are.

But the contradictions are what keep the Bible alive, and let it adapt to new situations and changes to civilization and allow it to be introduced to new peoples. Without them, the Bible would have been tossed by the wayside ages ago. Almost all lengthy religious texts that have stood the test of time are full of contradictions, otherwise, well, they wouldn't have, and their teachings would have been lost.

TL;DR: The contradictions are good.

>>1641463
This one here is a persistent one, clinging to whatever straw he can find. I had the feeling this bloke didn't know what he was saying but it's worse than I thought. You cited those parts? >>1641353 is an explanation for why those events were failures. It claims very clearly "but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this?" followed by " I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides". The character motivation is all there. Some time there was disobedience & therefore the Christian God went head & withdrew support. Honestly, the motivations were so obvious that I wouldn't even consider it implicit in the slightest.

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Contradiction is inevitable.

>>1641478
That part is two and a half millennia old, maybe even more, and it has been transcribed throughout every generation for that long. The fact that none of the scribes removed the line shows you that they didn't think it was a contradiction, and completely logical

>>1641511
> none of the scribes removed the line
The bible literally says that you're not allowed to remove a line from it.

>>1641511
The scribes did not remove contradictions, not even come Nicea, it was and is well accepted they are part of the holy mysteries and message.

>>1641497
>Yes to the first
1. How many men did the chief of David's captains kill?
800 (2 Samuel 23:8)
Wrong. Josheb-Basshebeth slew 800 enemies at one time. He was “Chief of the Three (Adjutants)”.

300 (1 Chronicles 11:11)
Wrong. Jashobeam slew 300 enemies at one time. He was “Chief of the Thirty (Commanders)”.
Note. Two individuals are sometimes taken as one person due to the KJV which mistakenly calls them “Chief of the Captains”. No contradiction at all.

http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=708

See the article: http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=114

>The contradictions are good
Which?

There are no contradictions in the Holy Bible. None. Absolutely none. Zero.

>>1641487
We should stop. This numbskull here couldn't realized that Gatsby wanted to get Daisy. Reading the book as a novel, the character motivations & everything are plain as the day yet this bloke keeps trying to find the smallest straw to grasp for a contradiction. A deal was made, initially things were working swell but one side didn't uphold their end of the bargain so the other side stopped helping & thus failure happened.

>>1641536
Even then, linguistics are a bitch. There was one time where "to know" was translated as "to have sex with".

>>1641545
luther pls

>>1641558
I'm an anti-proddy Catholic, nice try though.

Name 1 (one), just 1 contradiction.

>>1641541
I do hope you grow out of this stage some day, and can actually read the book you're "defending", and experience it in all its nuances.

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>>1641582
Pic related is from the same person who collected all those "contradictions".

I'm still waiting for you to name just 1 actual contradiction.

>>1641564

Define 'contradiction'

>>1641541
Even according to Wikipedia Josheb-Basshebeth and Jashobeam are the same person.

>Jashobeam /ˌdʒæʃəˈbiː.əm/ (Hebrew: יָשָׁבְעָם, Yāšoḇəʻām; Latin: Iēsbaam, whence English Jesbaam or Jesbaham; fl. 10th or 9th century BC), also called Josheb-Basshebeth /ˈdʒoʊˌʃɛb ˈbæʃᵻˌbɛθ/ (יֹשֵׁב בַּשֶּׁבֶת, Yōšēḇ Baššeḇeṯ; some Septuagint manuscripts "Ish-Bosheth") and possibly Adino the Eznite /əˈdaJnoʊ/ (עֲדִינֹו, ʻAdīnō), was chief of the Three Mighty Warriors[1][2] and an officer under David in charge of 24,000 men[2][3] according to the Second Book of Samuel (2 Samuel) and the First Book of Chronicles (1 Chronicles).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jashobeam

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>>1641582
>>1641589
Oh and I have nothing to grow out of, you however, being a spiritually dead nu-male, need to put an end to your foolish rebellion against God and start growing up spiritually. You have a lot to learn.

>The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 2:14

>>1641601
They're two different persons and two different events.

>>1641608
There is no evidence in the text that those are different events.

>>1641608

>unironically using the word 'nu-male'

Let me guess, you're in your early 20's, discovered /pol/ about a year ago and now lecture people on how 'immature' they are.

Let me give you a hint: when you insist that people should 'grow up' in the way you're doing right now, all you really do is expose your own complete lack of life experience. After all, a black or white worldview is a very clear symptom of a naive mind

& Humanities was a mistake

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>>1641640
I stay away from /pol/ and am not the person who brought up "immaturity" or "growing up".

>>1641640
>you insist that people should 'grow up'

t. >>1641582
>I do hope you grow out of this stage some day

It's time to stop posting anon, you're just embarrassing yourself. Oh and there's no need to cry over being called a "nu-male".

>>1641662

>It's time to stop posting anon, you're just embarrassing yourself.

No, I think it's time for you to stop covering up your lack of life experience with Bible verses. No one is buying it, believe me

>>1640014
*tips fedora *

>>1641667
For example the first one in OP's picture hasn't been disproven yet.

>>1641666
Name 1 actual contradiction or go back to /r/atheism, I'm not going to waste my time replying back-and-forth to your whining.

Here's a relevant verse from the Holy book you hate so much:
>You do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.
James 4:14

When you're spiritually dead, all that life experience you claim to have is worthless, it will not save your poor bitter soul.

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>>1641673
This solution is found in verse 1 of II Samuel 23. That verse begins with the phrase: "Now these be the last words of David." This tells us that the list in II Samuel 23 was compiled at the end of David's life. But when we read I Chronicles 11, we discover that this list encompasses the time period when "David waxed greater and greater" (vs. 9). Thus the list in I Chronicles 11 was compiled early in David's reign, and the list in II Samuel 23 was compiled at the end of his reign.

Once we recognize this distinction between the two lists, the differences between them start to make more sense. First, the men in these lists were all soldiers, so we would expect the list to grow shorter as various men lost their lives in battle. And second, if we had a complete catalog of all the accomplishments of each man on these lists, we would expect the later list to contain at least a few accomplishments which surpassed the greatest accomplishment on the earlier list. (We would expect the same thing in two lists of Olympic records.) This is exactly what we see in these passages. The later list given in I Samuel 23 has fewer names than the one in I Chronicles 11, and it also names one individual who beat his own record. Instead of being a contradiction, the relationship between these two passages actually solidifies our confidence that they are recording real, historical events.

http://www.increasinglearning.com/blog/bible-contradiction-ii-samuel-23-vs-i-chronicles-11

>>1641693
I thought the bible as a whole got dictated by God. Are you implying that it is made up from different texts that different people made up at different times at the past?

>>1641710
>is ignorant
>lashes out
wew lad

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>>1641710
>I thought the bible as a whole got dictated by God
This is what mohammedans claim for their "holy" book.

>Are you implying that it is made up from different texts that different people made up at different times at the past?
I'm not implying anything, it is reality >>1640023

Have you ever read a single one of the many books it contains?

>>1641677
>When you're spiritually dead, all that life experience you claim to have is worthless

And once again christians expose the shallow nihilism which underlies their entire faith. It would be saddening if we didn't hear this to the point of monotony.

Maybe, just maybe people live satisfying lives without believing in your faith. Does this scare you?

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>>1641735
>nihilism
You don't seem to understand what this means.

>maybe people live satisfying lives without believing in your faith
Wether someone does or not is completely irrelevant.

Does death scare you?

>1641745
>You don't seem to understand what this means.
You don't seem to have witnessed someone in a crisis of faith. They're the most depressive angsty fucks you can imagine. "Without God: Nothing!" Not to mention the whole theology condescendingly thinks all other philosophies are meaningless without God.

>Wether someone does or not is completely irrelevant.
Your God promise you a good life through his teachings. I found a good life without it. If anything that makes the doctrine irrelevant.

>Does death scare you?

There would be some of the usual anxiety when it actually started to take hold. Ultimately, no. I've settled my regrets and did what good I could do. If I dropped dead now, so be it.

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>>1641725
>revelation
>hope

>>1640487
>atheist from /pol/
/pol/ is a Christian board.

>>1641755
>Your God promise you a good life through his teachings. I found a good life without it. If anything that makes the doctrine irrelevant.

Top kek I wonder how someone can be this stupid.

If you live in the western world you're literally following his teachings, since the whole of society and nearly every piece of art, entertainment or philosophy is based off of it

>>1641778
>he hasn't read revelation
Not surprised

>>1641781
Calling /pol/ a Christian board sounds like blasphemy.

>>1641783
>the whole of society and nearly every piece of art, entertainment or philosophy is based off of it
They are based off Greek paganism.

>>1641755
>You don't seem to have witnessed someone in a crisis of faith. They're the most depressive angsty fucks you can imagine. "Without God: Nothing!"
I feel sorry for you.

>Your God promise you a good life through his teachings
No.

>>1641795
? There are more concepts that come out of the bible to influence the modern world than out of Greek paganism.

>>1641806
There isn't a single concept in the Bible that wasn't already in earlier sources.

>1641783
>If you live in the western world you're literally following his teachings,
And what exactly do you know about my convictions or practices?

If the western world followed his teachings literally and precisely. then it would resemble some shit hole christian commune in the woods. Culturally, why would anyone deny Christianity's contributions? But to say everything is based off of it is ridiculous and more than a little narcissistic.

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>still no actual contradictions found

>>1641814
>Still not a single contradiction from OP disproved

>>1641813
Are you a homosexual?

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>>1641817
Literally every. single. one. has been debunked:
http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=4288

>>1641823
All of those are full of wild claims with no evidence supporting them.

>>1641801
>I feel sorry for you.
I don't particularly care what you think of me. You can either participate in this discussion or fuck off with your condescension.

>No.
Yes.

Well, let's throw out a contradiction.
Why are the first two books of genesis about two different creation stories?

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>>1641824

>>1641818
No?

>>1641832
Really?

>>1641809
The concept of forgiving others even if they have wronged you? The whole of Jesus' teachings? To claim that the bible didn't invent anything is full on reddit tier, and I must ask you to leave.

>>1641830
?

>>1641831
Faith cannot be proven in the realm reason and reason cannot be proven in the realm of faith.

>>1641823
>The text says X
>Wrong: It means Y and not X because I say so even tough I have no evidence for that.
>Repeated 492 times

>>1641824
>full of wild claims with no evidence supporting them
Not really, try again.

>>1641825
>participate in this discussion
See:
>>1641677
>Name 1 actual contradiction or go back to /r/atheism, I'm not going to waste my time replying back-and-forth to your whining.

>your condescension
It's like you're being hypocritical on purpose:
>>1641582
>I do hope you grow out of this stage some day

>>1641833
Yes, really.

>>1641838
Not really.

>>1641840
I knew you were a homosexual.

>>1641839
>See:
>>1641677

>implying I'm the original anon
>implying you didn't originally posit this train of thought on "spirituality"

>It's like you're being hypocritical on purpose
Demonstrate my hypocrisy. That also doesn't absolve you of your own disrespect. How Christian indeed.

>>1641841
Cute.

>>1641834
Genesis 1:27
and
Genesis 2:18-22

At the very start we are shown the book cannot stay true to its own writing.

>>1641851
>still whining
What a waste of time.

>>1641834
>The concept of forgiving others even if they have wronged you?
This is in Plato's Republic.

It just shows you have never bothered to read the even most famous Greek text.

>>1641859
Agreed, you're dishonest and hypocritical. In either case, go fuck your mother with a splintered cross.

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>>1641858
11. The two contradictory creation accounts

– First Account (Genesis 1:1-2:3)
Humans were created after the 'other animals'. (Genesis 1:25-27)

Wrong. They were created after the animals? Humans are not simply “other animals”. We don’t eat humans, do we?

– Second Account (Genesis 2:4-25)
Humans were created before the 'other animals'. (Genesis 2:18-19)

Wrong. The second account gives many flashbacks and doesn’t present a historical sequence of events.

– First Account (Genesis 1:1-2:3)
The first man and woman were created simultaneously. (Genesis 1:27)

Wrong. There is no mentioning here of a simultaneous creation.

– Second Account (Genesis 2:4-25)
The man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man's rib. (Genesis 2:18-22)

Wrong. The animals were created first, then the man and then the woman from the man’s rib.
Note. The critic tries to wrong-foot the reader with the argument that the sequence of events should always correspond with the given information in the biblical narratives. This is not to the point as flashbacks in a narrative will always obstruct the historical sequence of events. It is quite amusing that the critic himself does the same. He gives the SAB Contradictions in at random sequence. Does he want to suggest that his proposed contradictions are wrong?

No Contradictions

http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=708

>>1641870
Calm down nu-male.

>>1641871
>So God created man in His own image; male and female He created them.
God creates humanity in his own image; composed of man and woman.
Excuse me for interpreting that as simultaneous. Can I get timestamps?

>>1641871
>We don’t eat humans, do we?
Cannibalism is quite common in times of poverty like we have reports that during the Holodomor many families traded their children so they at least don't have to eat their own children to starve.

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>>1641871
>Humans are not simply “other animals”.
False. We our at the mercy of nature like all the rest.
>We don’t eat humans, do we?
Some do, the freaks.

>>1641889
>>1641890
useless posts

>>1641891
Not as useless as those
>>1641871
>>1641891

>>1641886
Also, adding that it says that be fruitful and multiply, which implies that creation of humanity was done by genesis 1:28 or so, yes in 2: whatever they start it again, few steps back, but in a different way.

When you write a story, it has to make some canonical sense.

>>1641886
Literally nowhere is it said that he created them simultaneously, just that he created them.

It's like reading a novel where in the first chapter it's said a guy makes two swords, then in a second chapter it goes into detail how he first created one then the other, and you screaming that this proves there's a mistake

>>1641901
We are arguing about singular wording about things that have been written thousands of years ago when most people did not even know how to write and have been translated tons of times. Can you not see the fault in that?

>>1641871
>18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
>19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
>20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals. But for Adam no suitable helper was found.

This story only works if Adam was there before the other animals.

>>1641923
Note
>Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky
>Had formed
>HAD
Since it isn't just "formed" it means that they were already formed, just nameless.

Now I know that Hebrew grammar is very tricky and I don't know whether the original used the past participle as well; but if it did it just proves my point

>>1639971
My favourite one was always the premise of ONE GOD and shit in the first place. Of course, Moses proclaims to the rest of the Heebs, something like "Thou shalt have no other gods before me", which was already preceded by the commandment "Oy vey, I'm your God, you lousy mushuganehs". Later, in Exodus, there is the whole precept that Moses God is stronger than Pharoah's God(s), which leads to their escape after a series of throwdowns between the two. These pretty clearly demonstrate that the ancient Hebrews believed in a universe with multiple powerful Gods, just that theirs was the best (how convenient).

These episodes seems to offer quite a bit of passive jealous acknowledgement of other gods (but like totally don't listen to them!!). Sort of funny for religions claiming to have the one sole universal God...

>>1641949
That was evolutionary in my opinion. People would commit human sacrifice in the name of lesser gods, had gods of war, of prostitution, fertility, all what would be considered evil and Abraham's God came along and put an end to the madness across the globe. Introducing a doctrine that exposes the emotional spectrum and the engineering perspective of how sin and evil in general effect not only individuals but the entire communities of nations and every thing between.

>>1640063
No dumbass, a global flood cannot start and end in a couple days. If so, I pray for God to smite me.

>>1642193
"Days" in the Bible is not what we consider "days" today.

>>1642235
Please explain.

>>1642237
I don't know what he's talking about but for example the term 40 days and 40 nights just means a long time, not necessarily that exact amount

>>1642245
>it says something and means something different
so its bullshit?

>>1642651
The bible also says that Methuselah lived 969 years.

>>1642651
>what are metaphors

>>1642651
>not understanding what a figure of speech is

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>>1640023
This image is completely incomprehensible to me.

>>1642735
They're cross references.

>>1642663
Maybe then God is just a metaphor :^)

>>1642651

> Literally 80-90% of answers I got from pastors when I started hammering them with questions

Here's a fun one: Does evolution disprove original sin?

Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned"
> Death through sin

This would seem to imply that, if one accepts the idea of a literal Garden of Eden, there was no death until Eve started eating.

However, given what we know now about the age of the universe, a literal Garden of Eden is increasingly being abandoned for older ideas about the Creation account, namely that it is metaphor.

Okay, fine, but that doesn't really solve anything, because we know from evolutionary history that humans are a late addition to the show, and that there were animals living and dying long before they showed up.

Wait, dying? How can that be? I thought that death entered the world through sin!

At this point, the theist must either try to discredit evolutionary history (which they fail at, repeatedly, and wilfully misrepresent evidence over and over) or admit that animals were living and dying before their supposed Adam and Eve were hanging around, and retreat to a 'it''s all a metaphor for spiritual/metaphysical truths" which, while a welcome change from the literal six day creationists, is yet another example of moving the goalposts once they've been beaten

>>1642984
Animals don't suffer from death since they can't understand that concept.

>>1642984
Animals always either don't exist or they exist and are alive. So they can't experience the state of death.

Only humans can exist while being dead. This is because we got souls from God's breath of life.

>>1643504
Actually several species of animals are known to grieve. Elephants are even known to hold rudimentary burial rituals

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>>1641745
>christfags resort to mocking a man with brain cancer to prove their points
>IF YOU CALL YOURSELF THE ANTICHRIST GOD WILL MAKE YOU GO INSANE

Literally "your mom will die in your sleep if you dont reply to this thread" tier

http://www.baka.com.au/articles/2003/05/05/1051987657451.html

>>1640037
>>1640053
>global flood.
Not all cultures share one, but many, and it's likely they shared one or two of the same stories over time. Also, it's not 'global', because they obviously did not know what the fuck a globe was nor have a wider concept of geography. But it certainly would've been pretty fucking huge, especially if you lived in the region.

The flood stories likely refer the Bosporous's opening (i.e. the flooding of the Black Sea from Mediterranean inflow), which happened in modern human history, ca. 5500 BC. Prior, the Black Sea was a freshwater lake (or only minimally mineral/salty), whose level was far below the global sea level. Just like a sink overflowing (melting glaciers), eventually the Mediterranean's levels were high enough to rip a channel through the Bosporous. This vast freshwater reservoir naturally would have had a lot of early human activity around it (like the Proto-IEs for example). Still today, the Black Sea is less salty than the Mediterranean and is known for having two distinct layers of salinity. It is likely this event that ancient Middle-Eastern sources draw on, and the story would have certainly travelled and legends been passed down by flood refugees spreading in all directions.

Mesopotamia and the Nile also experienced periodic river flooding, so it would've been a believable story.

I tend to view flood stories as ancient cultural knowledge of rising sea levels in many different places. As the glaciers retreated and melted, Doggerland was also flooded for example. Many cultures kept these legends and passed them down long before writing.

>>1644006
I should add, we don't know for sure how long it took to flood the Black Sea region, as this depends on its levels beforehand, but a rough estimate is in the range of 300 days.

>>1644028
if we assume a length of 300 days how fast would the shore be expanding outward? I mean would it put people's lives in danger or would it simply ruin their lives by drowning their crops and flooding their homes?

What if all of sects Christianity are just a funny plot by satan to play upon us and god does not give a shit?

>>1644038
More likely the latter option. It would've risen steadily, but slowly enough you could outpace if you didn't linger. I'm sure some did drown if they were unlucky, like being cut off by bends in the landscape and such, or drifted into open water and starving on flotsam. But most would've probably managed to get away, just without all their shit, and the fact the waters kept coming and coming would've been freaky.

>>1643792
>I can't read

>>1644054
>What if all of sects Christianity are just a funny plot by satan
You're talking about protestantism and yes I agree.

>>1644054
What if Christianity itself is a plot by Satan? The Old Testament worns of a false prophet who will try to lead the people away from the Law.

>>1639959
Contradictions: depends, there are some problems though
Corrupted: no, I'm not sure how Paul would get his hands on every book and rewrite them. Scripture is pretty consistent in terms of how similar one text from 200AD is to a text from 2016

>>1640053
You're retarded.
It wasn't one giant global flood but it's been proven scientifically that the ace age caused many localized floods

>>1645220
The bible says it was a global flood

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>>1642662
Hebrew/English:

Adam = Man
Seth = Appointed
Enosh = Mortal
Kenan = Sorrow
Mahalalel = The Blessed God
Jared = Shall come down
Enoch = Teaching
Methuselah = His death shall bring
Lamech = The Despairing
Noah = Rest, or comfort.

>Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.

>>1640238
People post this like its bad when Jesus washed the feet of his disciples, who had no business getting their feet washed by god

>>1640748
Based
Literally the best stage in any souls game

>>1645232
>muh holy book
Sorry, the flood wasn't global.
But it did happen.

>>1645310
>But it did happen.
Proofs?

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>>1639959
its full of contradictions because it was written by like 40+ different authors from different cultures and countries that spoke different languages plus numerous translations

Hardcore Christians will defend that everything in the bible is true with all the contradictions

Normal Catholics will just ignore the details and focus on the morals and ideas and such of the Bible

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>>1645247
"Adam" translated means "dust"

>captcha for this post forms the Tau, paralleling your pic precisely
I am spook'd though

>>1645539
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/120.htm

>>1645444
>its full of contradictions
Name 1.

>>1645603
>Biblical Hebrew אָדָם (adam, “earth, man, soil, light brown”), from אדמה (adamah, “red earth, ground”)

>earth
>soil
>ground

so dust basically

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Adam

>>1645604
didnt we have a whole thread about this?
which we are in?
have you seen this thread?

well if you want an example, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 both has a different account of the order of events that created the universe

>>1645686
>didnt we have a whole thread about this?
Yes and not a single contradiction has been found.

>Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 both has a different account of the order of events that created the universe
See >>1641871

Have you not read the thread? You know, the one you're in?

>>1645698
damn you got me there

>>1641871
Has it ever occurred to you that there maybe a REASON why God put two contradictory stories of Genesis in the Bible?

>>1646024
I remember some dude saying it was because god didnt want people to take the bible seriously, it was pretty funny.

>>1645604
What about judas death?

And how many women were at the tomb where jesus resurrected?

>>1646128
61. How did Judas die?

After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)

Right.

After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)

Wrong, he didn’t buy the field. He went out and committed suicide by hanging himself. It is generally accepted that during or after the suicide the rope or the branch broke and that his body was ruptured by the fall.

No Bible Contradiction

http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=336

and

http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=3321

>>1646128
http://www.gotquestions.org/Judas-die.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/judasdeath.php
https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/potters-field

>>1640053
There were lots of huge floods in Mesopotamia in prehistoric times.

>>1646279
you say generally accepted but that is a later rationalization, the bible does say two contradictory things, you might not see it as one, but it says so in the text. two opposite accounts of how judas died are contradictory.

>>1646279
also regarding:
>http://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=3321

he dismisses the other accounts, this is what i mean by a later rationalization, the bible gives 4 different accounts of the fact, and they all contradict each other, by the definition of contradiction, they are opposed to one another, if you have to dismiss the other accounts you're not refuting it not having contradictions, you're proving it has contradictions.

>>1647712
>two opposite accounts of how judas died
They aren't. >>1646323

>>1647838
on the first one, that is:
>http://www.gotquestions.org/Judas-die.html

it says:
> Judas may not have purchased the field himself, but it was the money Judas received for betraying Jesus that purchased the field.

he's admitting it, well not actually saying that the bible contradicts itself but he is saying that judas didnt buy the field.

on Acts 1:18-19 says:
>"With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood."

and im using the source you gave me, it says that JUDAS bought a field, the text its contradictory, either judas bought the field or the priests did, the bible says two different things that is the definition of contradiction, to choose one you have to dismiss the other, and that is what the guy in the link did, he didnt disprove the contradiction, he actually proved it.