Medieval Armors

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>>1636073
I meant of course early 15th century.

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Although I gotta admit, my current favorite helmet has to be the mid 15th century sallet/kettle hat hybrid. Combined with a bevor or mail.

>>1636073
1) Whats with the claw-like extensions at the toes and fingers? I have never seen those before.

2) The waist is looking awfully out of proportion: it strikes as having female corset dimensions.

>>1636719
The toes are just a fashion thing, they were generally taken off before battle.
The fingers dont have claws, the suit in the picture just doesn't have gloves.

It looks out of proportion because the faulds intentionally flare out at the hips, which makes look like the waist is pinched.

>>1636099

That looks neat, I personally prefer the sallet.

It looks less bulky and crude.

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>>1636099
This one was much better, sleeker, and more intimidating.

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>>1636719
The fingers are just hanging freely bacuase the mannequin doesn't have fingers. The pointy sabatons are part of the fashion of the period. The more important you were as a person, the longer sabatons you had. The armor was anyway always used on horseback so the sabatons weren't even a limiting factor.

Also part of the fashion was thin waists on both men and women and the armor also reflects that. I think it really fits to the image of a "beautyful knight".

>>1636776
Sallets are cool, but I just love the crude intimidating look of that kind of kettle helms, esspesially with a mail "bevor".

>>1636801
I'm not that into the greek or roman pre-medieval weapons and armor but I gotta admit, I like that one.

>>1636801
There is something incredibly phallic about the top of that helmet. But yes, I wish Corinthian-style helmets had been used by medieval knights.

>>1636892

They probably did that on purpose

>>1636892
>But yes, I wish Corinthian-style helmets had been used by medieval knights.
That's what barbutes are though (not really medieval I'll admit).

>>1636981
>>1636892
Greeks purposedly putting dicks and dick-like stuff everywere...? Not a chance...

>>1637092

> barbutes
> not medieval

litterally what?

>>1637115
They're pretty late medieval, depending on your take on when the medieval era ends, they might be more modern than medieval.

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Don't have pic, but simpler japanese armor sets are fairly close to modern plates
>MUH HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG

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>>1637350

>>1637367
And this is why I am a fan of IOTV style armor.

>>1637367
>I don't know how armor design works: The post

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>>1636857
>the sabatons weren't even a limiting factor
Not to mention that armour was often quite modular and many of such components that primarily served the purpose of being fashionable could be easily detached.

>>1637350
Most breastplates covered as much, despite what neckbeards and their "common sense" would say about it.

>>1640422
>how armor design works, the post
>get a bigger gun

>>1641665
We've reached a point where that really isn't an option. Unless you're willing to haul around .50bmg or 12x7mm, you can no longer be certain you will defeat an opponents armor with your first hit.

>>1640440
False equivalence. The ancients had shields to help with the lack. Medieval armor would include defenses for the lower torso as well.

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>>1643644

>>1637367
Wow liver on the lower left, who is this crazy person !?

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>>1636719
>2) The waist is looking awfully out of proportion: it strikes as having female corset dimensions.

the waist is exactly in proportion, because it is the aesthetic which the armourer attempted to create. It was intended as much as a symbol of power, as a protective garment - and as such, shaping moves the lines to emphasise the idealised body proportions of fashion - the high waist, narrow in proportion to the hips. There's even accounts from the 15th century poking fun at some of the older soldiers, knights who were struggling to fit into armour of that shape, but desperate to do so to look good, even when it was impairing breathing.

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>>1643742
>butted mail

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>>1643737
>>1643742
>etching on 14th C harnesses.

No. Just no.

that's like putting rails and a reflex scope on a 1890's Mauser.

>>1636084
What's the pattern on the edge of the mail called? Dagged? Crenellated?

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>>1637350
>>1637367
Late Chinese ones are even closer.

While most models are brigandine, some are literal plate carriers.

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/fa/ as fuck

>>1643731
Sexy af
t. not even a polandboo

>>1643644
>The ancients had shields to help with the lack. Medieval armor would include defenses for the lower torso as well.
So where is the false equivalency? You didn't say anything to disprove my points. In fact you expanded on the info.

What do you think is the most aesthetic century from European armor? 13th for me because I love surcoat.

>>1645136
>So where is the false equivalency?
Modern combatants have no defense for the lower torso at all. Pre modern combatants usually did, making it far less of an issue.

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>>1645313
16th century, by far

the slow decline of plate led to some of the most interesting designs

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>>1636073
>>1636801
>>1637350
>>1637367
>>1643644
Good thing we live in the modern age with access to an abundance of material typings and variation. Explain to a man of the past what graphene is and he'll be like ," Vir sapit qui pauca loquitur!" And then try and kill you or something.

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Anyone recognizes the four helmets on the second row from right to left?

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>>1643644
>Medieval armor would include defenses for the lower torso as well.
That happened much before that.

>>1647240
Bottom right 2 look like eastern euro, middle I think was Italian, Papal State.

>>1645921
False.

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>>1647240
second is in turkish style from 16th century ottoman period, picture related

How did armor evolve? Is there a good video on this history with visual examples?

>>1647240
Bottom row:
Rightmost two: Lobster Pot, with varying faceguards.
Center: Pretty sure its fictional,
Center-left: Could be seen as a fictional version of a late Roman helmet. Basically a nasal helmet with added neck and cheekguards
Left: Close helm

>>1648077
Where and when and by who? If you research more you will find out what and extremely broad question you're asking. Read up on askhistorians, watch videos by Knight Errant and Schola Gladiatoria

>>1636719
Mate, high heels were a male fashion that women started copying.

Fashion changes, rather radically in fact.

>>1648159
Europeans I guess. Just to see how armor evolved in parallel in say England, France, Itsly, and Germany.

>>1648262
Very simplified, shortened history of medieval western European armor:
11th Century: Mail armor is the most common form of armor in noble circles, the Spangenhelm is pretty much ubiquitous.
12th Century: The trend goes towards wearing greater quantities of mail, with knights being basically covered in the stuff. Towards the end of the century full on faceguards appear on (knights') helmets.
13th Century: The coat of plates marks the beginnings of plate armour. Knightly helmets become ever more heavy duty, resulting in the great helm. The kettle hat appears.
14th Century: Plate armour spreads to more and more areas of the body. Armor and helmet pieces are increasingly are made out of fewer, larger plates. Bascinets appear in many varieties, with them, hinged visors and stuff are introduced.
15th Century: Plate armour becomes increasingly diverse and sophisticated. At this point it becomes too hard to really say what happened in a simplified way.

As for how armour varied regionally, it's hard to put on simple terms. All those cultures in western Europe intermingled a lot and adopted each others' designs. One thing that I think should be pointed out is that English armour differentiated itself from continental armour quite a bit because it was designed more for use on foot, as English knights were more inclined to fight as infantry.

>>1648459
Thanks man. That's a great start for me

>>1643735
just the filename i was hoping for

>>1648459
How does armor designed to be on foot differ from mounted armor?

>>1648724
They talk about some of the details of English armor here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ldx0231RdI

>>1636892

It''s phallic for a functional reason, the enlarged top portion is meant to allow more space between the wearer and the outside to prevent eventual blunt hits from stunning or hurting the wearer.

Also, more air for the head meant more comfort and longer periods of time wearing it.

>>1651444
Yeah... but it's not like they put any effort into NOT making it look like a dick.

>>1647240
This anon >>1648125 is right about the first two but then goes full retard.

The centre helmet is basically a burgonet with an odd neck guard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgonet

Second from left is a stylised barbute with a lobstered tail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbute

The furthest left is just a generic armet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armet

>>1643735
Not really that into armours, but the main problem I see with this helmet is that it's designed to deflect swings and slashes to the face, downwards. What if I were to stab at the face, standing from a position to his right (assuming I'm right handed)? Wouldn't it direct my stab right into the eye?

>>1652491
The shape is made so that it deflects stabs to the sides. Also the ridges around the eyes are meant to stop stabs from sliding into eyes. Of course they arent 100% sureproof but helmets have always had to make compromises between visibility and protection.

>>1652491
it would be harder with the rings around the eyeholes preventing anything from sliding inside

>>1636073
>Gothic armor best armor.
Is it pic related? What century was it most prominent?

>>1651829

They were greeks too.

>>1653047
Yes. It was popular through out 15th and 16th century in Germany.

>>1636084
Very nice. Anyone know which Italian state this is from?

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>>1654143
Not sure on that specific armor but it strongly resebles the Churburg armors, minus the brigandine.

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Beat this.

But who would win between a samurai and a medieval knight?

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>>1656748
This.

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>>1636073
I got a collection of photos. Can I post them ? They're not all gothic or maximilian though

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>>1656876
Here's one

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>>1656883
Another one. Don't really knwo if it is "maximilian" that one but its german

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>>1656886

>>1656766
Imagine seeing this thing on the battlefield it must have been absolutely horrifying.

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>>1656897
>it must have been absolutely horrifying.
for both sides, because they can easily get scared

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>>1656907
Well I think I'll post the most I can anyway then

>>1656897
Why do you think Alexander's army was reluctant of crossing the huge flooding Ganges to fight an army of 80,000 horsemen, 200,000 footmen, 8,000 chariots, and 6,000 armored fighting elephants.

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>>1656921

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>>1656925

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>>1656936

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Rajputana armor.

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>>1656955

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>>1656972

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>>1656979

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>>1656988

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>>1656995
Detail

>>1647209
>da_by_hokunin
>Mortal Kombat
What.

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>>1656907
they wre drugged with opiates to go full khorne.

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>>1657050
for you

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I always like lamellar armor.

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>>1657060
suite
>>1657060
Its too bad they don't have any eastern types of armor in the museums around me. I like it

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>>1657071

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>>1657060

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>>1657076

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>>1657113
>>1636073
Can we also post weapons btw ? got a shitton of those too

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>>1657148
OP here, I don't mind, as long as they're cool weapons.

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>>1657196
>as long as they're cool weapons.
uhh ... would this qualify ? Its a rare type of polearm from Bern

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>>1657208

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>>1657348

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>>1657411

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>>1657428

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>>1657484

>>1640434
Long sabatons would be beneficial on horseback as they could help prevent a rider from being knocked off of their horse by allowing him to use the extra-length to keep his feet in the stirrups.

>>1657526
Only if they have a curved enough tip.
Otherwise you look like a jackass that can't stay in saddle.

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>>1657513

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>>1657484
>those eyes

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Last one for today

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>>1657526
How does the point help if you ride with heels lower than toes?

I reckon it's just armor copying civilian fashion with not much functionality intended.

What was the average amor of a early dark ages peasant and of a noble?

>>1657873
A peasant if they were lucky would have an early gambeson and might wrap their head with cloth. A noble/land owner would have been able to afford chainmail and a helmet. It varies depending on the region though, the Byzantines had a uniformed army while the rest of Europe was doing 'bring your own armour'.

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Gothic armour is worst armour.

>>1657896
Any pics? Can't trust google

>>1656748
Knight, hands down, no questions asked.

>>1656967
AESTHETIC

>>1657020
Hnnnng that's a good looking helmet. Red and gold just works so well.

>>1657908
I think I've just found my new absolute favourite style of armour.

>>1648724
More protection for the upper legs and hips.

>>1656736
>scare ur elephant
>he stampedes into legions of your own infantry trampling and routing your army

Eleven Benevolent Elephants


just try to say it

>>1657908
How do you move your arms with that?

>>1659827
It's a jousting armor so you probably didn't need to move your arms a lot.

>>1647209
>Vir sapit qui pauca loquitur!
what does that mean?

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>>1647341
I love archaic hoplite armor.