Why does Protestantism get so much hate around here?

>>1630824
Catholicism is very aesthetic and Orthodoxy is a cultural club, which are very important to /his/ types. Protestants actually take the religion part of it seriously and believe in it unironically, which is extremely embarrassing for the other two groups.

Catholic infestation

Mostly /pol/ LARPers who equate Murrican Protestantism with Soren Kierkegaard or John Milton

>>1630833
We preach Christ crucified; A shame unto the Jews and foolishness unto the gentiles

>>1630833
*tips fedora*

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Because it's pure exoteric, modernist, literalist, mysticism-free retardation

>>1630881
(You)

>>1630824
young earth creationism

>>1630886
Hardly restricted to Protestantism.

>>1630881

This

It didn't make Christianity better, it just made it worst. Say what you will about Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and the other Apostolic traditions but at least they're consistent with their theological views.

>>1630892
but it is
other than some jews

>>1630824
people conflating the 300 000 denominations with a couple of american fundie baptist sects

>>1630902
That's just a lie. Traditionalist Catholicism and Orthodoxy are filled with YEC.

Protestantism is spiritually, intellectually, and culturally desolate, as well as lacking any kind of theological continuity with the ancients.

>>1630901
(You)

>>1630922
Are Catholics impervious to honesty?

>>1630921
There is a decent YEC strand in Orthodoxy, although not dominant. There isn't really any significant strand of that in Catholicism.

>>1630929
Which denomination of honesty are you talking about?

>>1630937
Traditionalist Catholicism, SSPX and Sedevacantism
>>1630941
Is that a yes?

>>1630824
It's the whole Catholics-are-Pagans-because-they-worship-Marry shitposting.

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Where does one begin in getting acquainted with Eastern Orthodox and Theological views? Are these considered Catholic, Hermetic-Catholic, Gnostic-Catholic? Coming from someone originally turned off by Protestantism, but increasingly finding the esoteric or metaphysical orders in doctrines to be quite fascinating.

Suggested reading material?

>>1630950
Read the Church Fathers

>>1630947
I have seen far more shitposting from Catholics here than Protestants

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Because deep in their hearts they know that it's the one true and pure form of the faith of Christ.

>>1630950
>Are these considered Catholic, Hermetic-Catholic, Gnostic-Catholic?
They're schismatics, not pagans

>>1630959
mainly that 'PROTTIENIGGER' guy

>>1630833
>Protestants actually take the religion part of it seriously
This is what proddies actually believe lol

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>>1610680

>Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
Matthew 7:15-20

http://www.protestanterrors.com/

Because it's autists caring too much about religion. Everyone low key vaguely believed in God and angels and saints and Mary and it was nice, gave everyone comfort, the Church helped the poor, basically it was just a good way to unite everyone around something.

And then that mouthbreather strolls in, and actually believes in this shit ! He's willing to destroy the entire Church, just cause it has become a bit fat, and because it started offering a "Quick way to Paradise" service, because it's """heretical""" or whatever the fuck. It was just a nice way for people to ensure that nuns and priests and monks prayed for your deceased loved ones, hoping that they don't spend as much time in Purgatory. But nooo, you can't help out a grieving family, he just had to ruin the fun for everyone else.

So he went batshit, created his little sect that grew quickly, married a nun, and all hell broke loose.

>>1630971
and this guy
>>1631018

>>1631018
Some more of that lovely shitposting

>>1631025
So much for "Reformation was modernist", eh Catholics?

>>1630824
IRA-IDF

Is Calvinism worse?
Why Luther get so much hate?

>>1630869
Yeah that's why your prophet Luther removed Christ from the crucifix right?

>>1631063
No, that was because of idolatry being prohibited

>>1630959
Lying is a sin prottie.

/his/ has been shit up by protestants making repeat threads about how Catholicism is pagan. Every time protestants get primary sources that show the Early Church Fathers support Catholicism and you fucks just dig your head in the sand.

>>1631077
>/his/ has been shit up by protestants making repeat threads about how Catholicism is pagan
I have yet to see a single such thread. However, i have seen multiple this week alone about how Luther was a false prophet.
> Every time protestants get primary sources that show the Early Church Fathers
You mean when the Malaysian spams a thread with screenshots of Roman Catholic websites and says "PROTNIGGERS BTFO" repeatedly?

>>1631057
Because Luther was backed by rulers, and so did more damage, he trigged the Thirty Years War. Calvin only triggered the English Civil War, which was Protestant vs. Protestant.

>>1631108
>he trigged the Thirty Years War
Actually the Catholic emperor did by chimping out on Protestants, again.

>>1630824
Because protestants recognized that Papal supremacy begin after bishop Boniface and emperor Justinian as an attempt to unify Christendom.
Protestants realize the apostles never view apocryphal literature as equal to scripture.

>>1630833
Literally this. With Catholics it's always shit like "we have the prettiest buildings" and "our rule is the best suited for civilization building" and "Tridentine mass is really comfy" and other shitty clutter which doesn't really have to do anything with the religion itself.

>>1631140
there are some pretty comfy proddy churches desu
they're not all converted mcdonald's outlets/toolsheds

>>1631140
Yeah you do a great job following a bible you carefully censored to fit protestant dogma.

A bible originally canonized by Catholics before Protestants butchered it so that they didn't have to preform Christian works to be saved.

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>>1630971
PROTNIGGERS EXPLAIN

>>1631100
SO STUPID

NONE OF MY SOURCES ARE CATHOLIC

MY SOURCES ARE SCHOLARSHIP STUPID PIECE OF SHIT

>>1631130
This and the emperors desire for a more centralized state. And the war wouldn't have lasted 30 years without france and sweden fighting for hegemony

>>1631025
>le no one actually believed it meme

>>1631176
>>1631179
>>1631183
I was wondering when you would show up. Now go away.

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>>1631194
PROTNIGGER SO MAD HE CANT ADDRESS ANY SINGLE ONE OF MY ACADEMIC SOURCES

FUCK OFF PROTESDUMB

>>1631194
>protties will never provide a counter argument to a scholarly source

And here I thought proteshits prided themselves on reading.

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>>1631194
LOOK AT THIS PATHETIC PIECE OF SHIT

HERE HAVE SOME REAL HISTORY

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>>1631204
THEY DONT BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED OF TRUTH

>>1631194
>When discussing history, please reference credible source material, and provide as much supporting information as possible in your posts.
You go away.

>>1631198
>>1631205
Newadvent.org is a catholic website

>>1631208
I don't that's codeword for "shitpost everywhere"

>>1631077
You can barely get through a Christian thread without someone slamming Luther whether it is relevant or not.

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>>1631209
SHOWS HOW PROTNIGGERS CANT READ

THOSE ARE WRITINGS FROM ANTE NICENE FATHERS TRANSLATED BY PROTTIES DIPSHIT!

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>>1631140
I'll give you 7 verses:

John 10:16, John 21:15-17, Matthew 12:30 and Matthew 16:18-19.

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>>1631212
PROTNIGGER SO BUTTHURT BY HISTORY HE HAVE TO CHANGE TE TOPIC

>>1631215
First of all, that's 4 verses
Secondly they have nothing to do with Papalism

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>>1631219
PROTNIGGER SO MAD HE CANT ARGUE

>>1631219
>that's 4 verses
hurr

>>1631219
Don't forget to mention 1 peter 2 for the cornerstone.

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>>1631219
PROTNIGGERS BTFO BY HISTORY FOREVER

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PROTNIGGERS EXPLAIN

>>1631229
?

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>>1631219
PROTNIGGERS CANT EXPLAIN THIS

Thanks for making this thread extra cancery

>>1631175
Do you have a tinfoil mitre?

>>1631252
"And in the proverbs Solomon tells us that as "the north wind driveth away rain, so doth an angry countenance a backbiting tongue.(Prov. 25:23)" It sometimes happens that an arrow when it is aimed at a hard object rebounds upon the bowman, wounding the would-bewounder, and thus, the words are fulfilled, "they were turned aside like a deceitful bow," (Psalm 128:57) and in another passage: "whoso casteth a stone on high casteth it on his own head." (Sir. 27:25) Jerome, To Rusticus, Epistle 125, 19 (A.D. 404), in NPNF2, VI:251

>>1631246
TRUTH IS CANCER FOR PROTSHITS

>>1631252
The former, it is said by Holy Scripture: Do not become like the horse and the mule which have no understanding (Psalm 31:9). The proud effort of the latter is blamed when it is said: Seek not the things that are too high for thee, and search not into things above thy ability (Sirach 3:22). To the former it is said: Mortify your members which are upon the earth: fornication, uncleanness, lust, eveil consupiscence (Col. 3:5), to the latter it is said: Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy and vain deceipt (Col. 2:8) St. Gregory the Great, A Synthesis of Moralia in Job, Book 1, Part 3, 21, p. 116

>>1631243
Read it, and debate with safety.
For the Catholics had abandoned the words of their first "pope". So, its up to you to kindly give them reproof, and show them them the way.

>>1631264
>Read it
Did you?

>>1631252
Such suggestions are inconsistent with the clear sense of Scripture For all things, as the Prophet says [ref 2 Maccabees 7:28], were made out of nothing; it was no transformation of existing things, but the creation into a perfect form of the non-existent." Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, 4:16 (A.D. 359), in NPNF2, IX:76

>>1631254
>>1631261
>>1631269
So you're the shitpost king. Got it.

>>1631284
PROTNNIGER CANNOT TAKE THE TRUTH THAT THEY REMOVED BOOKS FROM BIBLE

>>1631268
For it stands in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”
and
“A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”
Who is this "I" and stone/cornerstone?: God.
So, even Peter admits he, himself, isn't the stone reference in Matt 16:18

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>>1631284
PROTNIGGERS FEAR THIS

>>1630833
>>1631025
Are these guys for real? Kill yourselves

>>1631269
>Hilary of Poitiers
Excuse me, would you please explain to why Dr.Hilary's biblical canon doesn't include Maccabees.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/hilary.html

>>1631290
weak bait

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>>1631294
PROTNIGGER CANNOT HANDLE THE TRUTH

LOOK AT THIS CANNIBAL

>>1631314
WOW EXCUSE ME

WHY DID HE CITE IT AS SCRIPTURE THEN?

NO DISTINCTION MADE AT ALL

PROTTIE BTFO

NON CANONICAL SIMPLY MEANT NOT PUBLICLY READ YOU IDIOT

>>1631314
As you have listened already to Moses and Isaiah, so listen now to Jeremiah inculcating the same truth as they:--'This is our God, and there shall be none other likened unto Him, Who hath found out all the way of knowledge, and hath given it unto Jacob His servant and to Israel His beloved. Afterward did He shew Himself upon earth and dwelt among men.' [Baruch 3:36-38] Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, 4:42 (A.D. 359), in NPNF2, IX:84

>>1631316
Well...if the first pope's words are meaningless to you, maybe he's not as great as other catholics say he is.

>>1631314
Then, while the devout soul was baffled and astray through its own feebleness, it caught from the prophet's voice this scale of comparison for God, admirably expressed, 'By the greatness of His works and the beauty of the things that He hath made the Creator of worlds is rightly discerned' [Wisdom 13:5]." Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, 1:7 (A.D. 359), in NPNF2, IX:42

>>1631331
>I don't understand what I read and I've debunked 2000 years of Catholic history with one verse
cringe

>>1631314
They say that the Father has prescience of all things, as the blessed Susanna says, 'O eternal God, that knowest secrets, and knowest all things before they be' [Daniel 13:42-Susanna]" Hilary of Poitiers, On the Trinity, 4:8 (A.D. 359), in NPNF2, IX:73.

>>1631330
in his canon, he list Jeremiah's "epistle", which is Baruch.
You still haven't answered my question.

>>1631335
>2000
More like 1400-1100
Still not refuting my claim.

>>1631335
Roman Catholicism started less than 500 years ago with the Council of Trent.

>>1631347
>You still haven't answered my question.
He never will. Stop trying. Nothing will stop his cancer.

And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Matthew 16:18 NIV

What I don't understand is how this means that every "pope" after Peter somehow gets dibs on this church and divine infallibility. Why would anyone after Peter have right to change scripture ie. indulgences or priests having the authority to forgive sins.

I'm a buddhist though so this shit makes no sense

>>1631347 (You)
>>1631348 (You)

>>1631347
AGAIN

WHY DID HE CITE MACABEES AS SCRIPTURE?

THIS MEANS NON CANONICAL DOESNT AUTOMATICALLY NOT SCRIPTURE YOU DUMBASS

>>1631358
See >>1631215 and study Church history.

>>1631360
>>>1631347 (You)
>>>1631348 (You) (You)

>>1631358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KV6PXSODgE

>>1631367
u

>>1631347
AGAIN BARUCH IS NON CANONICAL IN PROTTIEISM DUMBO

SO ARGUING WITH ME AND TRYING TO MAKE
HILLARY ENDORSE PROTSHIT CANON IS
POINTLESS WHEN HE INCLUDES BOOKS PROTSHITS REJECT

>>1631363
Are you trying to become the 3rd unbearable catholic shitposter of /his/ by repeating this?

>>1631374
Who are the other 2? Repeating what?

>>1631374
PROTNIGGER PISSED OFF BY THE VERY SUBJECT OF THIS BOARD

FUCK OFF

>>1631368
>posting the meme brothers

>>1631353
I guess you and King Solomon are correct "Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you"

>>1631378
Spotted the modernist.

Because catholics do unironically worship saints as gods and hate whenever proddies point it out.

>>1631389
it's_a_big_one.jpg

>>1631375
Well, there's the shitpost king who continues to grace this thread with his presence and >>1631018
who has also repeated the same thing over and over again
>Repeating what?
'study church history'
>>1631377
Shitposting is the board subject?

>>1631389
>implying

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>>1631378
>NOT GOING ACADEMIC LIKE ME

PERHAPS ITS BECAUSE THEY ALL REFUTE PROTNIGGERISM

>>1631389
>>1631391
>>1631284
>>1631246
>>1631212
>>1631140
>>1631108
>>1631074
>>1631041
>>1631029
>>1630960
>>1630959
>>1630950
>>1630921
>>1630918
>>1630869
>>1630833
You need a excellent renewal of Church history from a "Calvinist".
http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?subsetitem=Church+History&subsetcat=series&keyword=Dr%2E%5EJames%5EWhite&SpeakerOnly=true&includekeywords=&ExactVerse=

>>1631358
By your retard gook logic the only valid laws in the USA are the ones the Founding Father's personally made and no government representative should ever have been allowed to revise, update, or make new laws in that regard.

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>>1631391
I am both >>1631018 and the person you replied to.

Well, what are you waiting for to study Church history?

>>1631389
>look pastor, I posted it again!

>>1631390
>>1631392
>>1631405
If praying to people other than god isn't polytheism, then what is?

It seems to mostly be /pol/catholics who only joined the faith because they realised atheism is (generally) left-wing (in modern day). That and they think it's like "Space Marines xD xD DIE HERETICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111"

And before you ask, I am not Protestant. I just despise /pol/ Catholics.

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>>1631398
CAN HE EXPLAIN THIS

>>1631399
By your logic later laws should overrule the constitution

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>>1631389
LOOK AT HIM WORSHIPPING MARY

>>1631398
>HAVE TO POST A HACK WHO
MISREPRESENTS

>>1631411
he's-going-all-out.jpg

>>1631411
Is it polytheism when you ask a neighbor to pray for you. Praying to Saints is the same concept, except you know they're in Heaven already.

God wants a flock that cares for one another, not bitter single goats like protestants.

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>>1631389
LOOK AT THESE PAGANS

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>>1631389
WHAT ARE THESE PAGANS THINKING

>>1631431
Saints are dead. They can't hear you, praying to them is necromancy

>>1631436
>They can't hear you
lol

>>1631368

thanks for answering my question, although "vaticancatholic.com" doesn't seem like the name of an unbiased source.It still seems like a pretty legit argument but I'm not very well read.I guess all the traditions practiced in catholicism that I can't find in the bible seem sketchy to me personally,I'm not a christian theologian or anything though.

First of, non-Protestant Christians. I'm sure you could have figured that out.

Secondly a lot of atheists and agnostics hate Protestantism for historical reasons. Like Nietzsche, he really disliked Christianity, but he found Protestantism especially disagreeable and damaging to Europe.

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>>1631398
IRENAEUS BTFO JAMES WHITE SHITHEAD

>>1631436
Protestant God stops souls in Heaven from helping their fellow Christians? Sounds like a dick.

>>1631444
FUCK OF CONSTASHITHEAD

>>1631443
He completely distorts Acts 15, he claims Peter is the one presiding over the council yet James is the one who passes judgement.

>>1631358
Here this might clear it up.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/160326.htm
>>1631420
You can ask him. Mr.white is somewhat known for answering people's question/objections, and he has a twitter account.

Because (((Catholics))) on this board hate the West and white Europeans and want to see them destroyed. This is why the current Pope is kissing the feet of Muslim invaders and demonizing the Christians being killed in the Middle East today. Why do Catholics hate the West despite claiming to defend it? I'm not sure but either way it's pathological at this point. Also liberation theology etc.

>>1631455
WHY WOULD I ASK A PIECE OF SHIT THAT CANT EVEN GET THE FATHERS RIGHT?

>>1631458
t. cultural """""""""""""""Christian"""""""""""""""

>>>/pol/

>>1631449
you do realize that the heaven is empty until the day of resurrection and rapture comes? there are no souls to hear you.

>>1631449
They have no power, God doesn't stop them, they simply can't. Besides, they are in paradise, they would be crippled with depression if they knew about the worship they recieve from Catholics.

>>1631465
>rapture
hahaha

>>1631458
>Christian acting in a Christian manner is horrible

>Being a anti-immigrant, racist, bigoted state worshiper; that's the true Christian!

>>1631465
Read your bible again, the saints rest in Heaven awaiting the last day.

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>>1631465
REVELATOONS LIES TO US ALL

>>1631470
>capitulation to muslims
>acting in a Christian manner
Opinion discarded

>>1631464
>implying Christianity serves the interests of the West

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuUaSpcfrpA

>>1631462
Because you want see him humiliated when he can't answer your resources, especially when James does YouTube podcast live.

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>>1631455
WHY DID
JAMES
WHITE
LIE

>>1631470
Christianity today is a suicidal death cult fueled by pathological altruism and self-hatred.

>>1631476
HE IS ALREADY DOING THAT BY SPEWING LIES

WHEN HIS LISTENERS PICK UP A REAL BOOK ON THE SUBJECT

THEY WILL BE SHOCKED

>>1631474
>You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well

And let's keep in mind that the vast majority of refugees aren't committing evil on you.

Maybe you should go back to some meme neo-pagan religion if you want to be a alt-right proto-fascist.

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>>1631476
HISTORY BTFOS JAMES WHITE

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>>1631475
>Varg
Into the trash.

>>1631482
*tips fedora*

>>1631493
I fucking hate you communist """"Christians""""
At no point did Jesus preach the acceptance of heathens.
>vast majority of refugees aren't committing evil on you.
They are INVADERS. Their very presence is evil.

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>>1631471
there are no saints. only father, son, angels and maybe the robber. everyone else just have to wait for the judgement.

>>1631500
>>1631502
Why don't you just convert to Islam already and end the charade? You aren't fooling anyone anyway.

>>1631508
Every believer is a saint and every saint goes to heaven when they die.

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>>1630824
You know how 4chan niggers are turning to religion because Atheism is mainstream and they want to be edgy contrarians?

Turns out it's the same thing within the religious groups.

Most cunts in 4chan are from Anglo-Protestant America, where Protties are mainstream. Ergo they either shill their Catholic heritage or LARP Online as Catholics while they were probably born into a protestant household.

That way, they could be edgy contrarians to both atheists AND religious people online.

>>1631516
>Not every person who shouts out 'Lord, Lord!' shall be saved...

Salvation is gained through faith and works!

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>>1631515
Matthew 7:15-20

Back to /pol/ now.

>>1631516
no. every true believer goes to heaven when the judgement day comes.

>>1631523
Maybe you should finish that passage
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

>>1631521
I miss when 4chan's edge was just sardonic and not unironic.

>>1631516
>le sola fide xP
See >>1631181

>>1631527
>Jesus tells the Good Theif TODAY you will be with me in paradise

So is Prottie Jesus a liar then?

>>1631527
Paul said he stayed in this life because his work was not yet finished, but he would rather die and be with the lord. How could he be with the lord and not be in Heaven?

>>1631539
it's time to stop posting

>>1631422
The founding fathers weren't omnipotent though.
And I wouldn't say it's that comfortable knowing people like Alexander VI may change divine laws as he wish.

>>1631548
The fact that men like Alexander VI and many more never spread heresy as dogma despite being debauch men only proves the protection of the Holy Spirit that the Church retains.

>>1631540
i already stated that he might be an exception.
>>1631541
from his point of view. there is no time in death.

>>1631516
Don't ever forget your weapon
"And so we, having been called through His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified through ourselves or through our own wisdom or understanding or piety or works which we wrought in holiness of heart, but through faith, whereby the Almighty God justified all men that have been from the beginning; to whom be the glory for ever and ever. Amen." 1st clement 32:4
http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=626161244405

>>1631551
Selling letters of Indulgence and waging offensive wars against other Christians as the pope isn't even tiny itchy close to heresy?

>>1631553
>Oh shoot, our bible clearly shows a human soul joining Jesus in Heaven!
>E..EXCEPTION EXCEPTION, SAINTS ARE STILL A LIE

pathetic

>>1631399
why would a christian call me a gook?
I don't think Christianity is a democracy where you get to revise the word of god with popular opinion,and as for government representatives how can they be elected by god if they contradict or add to the bible?

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>>1631559
WHY DID HE IGNORE THESE>>1631213

>>1631565
and how many other "saints" has our lord personally invited to join him immediately?

>>1631560
Nope, the first falls under what the Pope can bind and loose and giving money to your faith is a tradition as old as Judaism itself (ex. The poor old woman who gives her life saving who is applauded by Jesus over the rich man who gives more but still has wealth)

The second is pure politics and the Pope acting as the secular head of the area known as the Papal States.

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>>1631544
It's time for you to read the New Testament and study Church history.

>>1631577
How about killing people of other denominations then, like with the Cathars? Surely that's unchristly?
And don't point at any other Churches doing the same thing, two wrongs don't make one right.

>>1631576
>the guy lucky enough to die with Jesus gets to be alone with him for thousands of years
>meanwhile every good Christian who died for their faith goes to sleep or some shit

Great God there protties!

>>1631574
Because if you want to prove reliable 'apostolic' traditions you need to use earlier sources-which means pre-Nicene church fathers.

don't most proddies believe in heaven?

>>1631587
First Cathars weren't even Christian. Their heresy was so great that they were essentially neo-gnostics with a taboo toward sex that was extreme even for Catholics.

In the end, it was Cathar's supporters who killed a Papal Legate that sparked the conflict. They also were a danger to the French crown which was hand in hand with the Church.

So that crusade could be seen as the equivalent of
>Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar

>>1631593
THOSE TWO CITATIONS ARE FROM CLEMENT YOU MORON

AND THEY OBLIDERATE JAMES WHITE MISREPRESENTATION OF THEM

THE FACT THAT WE STILL HAVE TO WORK EVEN WHEN JUSTIFIED BY FAITH OF OUR OWN WILL SHOWS WORKS AS THE CONDITION FOR IT

>>1631596
They believe in the King James B. whom they refer to by his second name which is Babble. It's why they often say "The (King) Babble says...". They believe they can hear him speak.

>>1631609
>THE FACT THAT WE STILL HAVE TO WORK EVEN WHEN JUSTIFIED BY FAITH OF OUR OWN WILL SHOWS WORKS AS THE CONDITION FOR IT
Yes, it's called sanctification or regeneration. This what Protestants believe. Once we're saved by faith, and if we truly love God, then we'll follow his commandments.

>>1631625
ACCORDING TO JAMES WHITE WORKS ARE EVIDENCE OF BEING SAVED

BUT CLEMENT SAYS...WORK AND DONT BE LAZY EVEN WHEN YOU ARE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH.

THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS

AND WORKS ACCORDING TO PROTESTANT SOLA FIDE IS SIMPLY POSSIBLE BECAUSE GOD ACTS UPON THE PERSON AND RECONDITIONS THEM

BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM CLEMENT

>>1631625
Faith itself is man's act or work and is thereby excluded from being any part of his justifying righteousness. It is one thing to be justified by faith merely as an instrument by which man receives the righteousness of Christ, and another to be justified FOR faith as an act or work of the law. If a sinner, then, relies on his actings of faith or works of obedience to any of the commands of the law for a title to eternal life, he seeks to be justified by works of the law as much as if his works were perfect. If he depends either in whole or in part, on his faith and repentance for a right to any promised blessing, he thereby so annexes that promise to the commands to believe and repent as to form them for himself into a covenant of works. Building his confidence before God upon his faith, repentance and other acts of obedience, he places them in Christ's stead as his grounds of right to the promise and so he demonstrates himself to be of the works of the law and so be under the curse." Galatians 3:10
- John Colquhoun (A Treatise on Law and the Gospel)

>>1631625
NOW COMPARE THIS TO CLEMENT

CHAP. XXXIII.--BUT LET US NOT OWE UP THE PRACTICE OF GOOD WORKS AND LOVE. GOD HIMSELF IS AN EXAMPLE TO US OF GOOD WORKS.
What shall we do, then, brethren? Shall we become slothful in well-doing, and cease from the practice of love? God forbid that any such course should be followed by us! But rather let us hasten with all energy and readiness of mind to perform every good work. For the Creator and Lord of all Himself rejoices in His works. For by His infinitely great power He established the heavens, and by His incomprehensible wisdom He adorned them. He also divided the earth from the water which surrounds it, and fixed it upon the immovable foundation of His own will. The animals also which are upon it He commanded by His own word(16) into existence. So likewise, when He had formed the sea, and the living creatures which are in it, He enclosed them [within their proper bounds] by His own power. Above all,(17) with His holy and undefiled hands He formed man, the most excellent [of His creatures], and truly great through the understanding given him--the express likeness of His own image. For thus says God: "Let us make man in Our image, and after Our likeness. So God made man; male and female He created them."[1] Having thus finished all these things, He approved them, and blessed them, and said, "Increase and multiply."(2) We see,(3) then, HOW ALL RIGHTEOUS MEN HAVE BEEN DORNED WITH GOOD WORKS, and how the Lord Himself, adorning Himself with His works, rejoiced. Having therefore such an example, let us without delay accede to His will, and LET US WORK THE WORK OF RIGHTEOUSNESS with our whole strength.

>>1631551
Still don't answer why an Omnipotent God needs to have his laws changed by mortal men.

>>1631605
>First Cathars weren't even Christian. Their heresy was so great that they were essentially neo-gnostics with a taboo toward sex that was extreme even for Catholics.
How does that make it any less non christly to kill them?

>In the end, it was Cathar's supporters who killed a Papal Legate that sparked the conflict.
That guy was assassinated by a Catholic French count, for which he got excommunicated for a while before being forgiven. I don't see why you should start a "Kill them all and let god sort out his own" tier crusade because of something that wasn't even done by the Cathars.

>Danger to the French crown
So now we can start holy wars because secular kings want so?

>>1630824
in case you haven't noticed
this is 4chan
people seem to hate everything here

except hate.
I don't think 4chan hates hate.

>>1630921
Only in America, though

>>1631189
Same with neopagans claiming actual pagans were proto-Neizecheans who didn't actually believe in the gods. Actually, people were different in the past, who knew?

>>1631140
Aesthetics has a lot to do with actual religion. Beauty connects the temporal with the divine. Having beauty buildings and rituals is something every religion has except prots, Muslims, and rabbincal (but not Temple-era) Jews

>>1631348
That's like saying France started in 1958 when the Fifth Republic was created, and before that "France" didn't exist

It saved Christianity when it was dying.

>>1630866
Both of these men were great, why would they cause hate

>>1631775
Was it?

Before the 1520s was out there were catholics in the Americas and the Philippines.

-For the majority of history it has been the primitive or Catholic or Orthodoxy Christianity which defined Christian thought or historical development of Christianity.
-Protestantism arrived late - just about a half millenia ago vs almost 2 millenia ago,
-Calvinist and Lutheran Protestantism over-emphasized the Old Testament to the New, emphasized the Judaic roots of Christianity and Paul over Peter (or even Paul over Jesus, a son of god/man he never met). It favored a jealous, cruel, ruthless and capricious god of Yaweh over the god of Christ.
-While predestination inherently had roots in Orthodox/Christian thinkers it was largely relegated to the background. Protestantism or more specifically Luther and Calvin took it to excess. Man was reduced to an impotent, spiritless automaton which God cursed the majority of which to burn in hell forever - why? Because God will have mercy on who he will have mercy, and will harden his heart on whom his heart will harden. Luther and his ilk being some kind of perverted stockholm syndrome acolytes of a demiurge.
-It embraced an insular elitism akin to gnosticism in the belief that the vast majority of man who was Christian would actually burn and suffer in hell - only a select pre-ordained elite would be saved. Not actually by faith, despite their claims - if it were faith alone in God and Christ then most Christians would be saved. Instead, it is only by faith in Luther and Calvin and their ilk as some kind of pseudo-Muhammadean prophet of God.

That is, unless Luther has the audacity to believe he has a power God alone possesses and can see into the hearts of man to know who truly believes and who does not believe. And if faith alone is necessary, not good works, than one who suffers the false motions of the Papists yet who still has the proper faith would not be damned.

Unless faith alone does not suffice? And instead the good works of NOT doing catholic good works somehow matters?

>>1632212
>It favored a jealous, cruel, ruthless and capricious god of Yaweh over the god of Christ
go home Marcion

>>1630881
>literalist

Lutheranism isn't literalist.

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>>1631753
Muslims do have huge and beautiful buildings, what the fuck are you smoking?

Also Christianity was a religion created by a poor village carpenter preaching to a bunch of uncouth fishermen about humility and meekness, pompous buildings coated in gold are not just not Christian, they're anti-Christian.

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>>1632212

Protestants and protestantism achieved greatness in spite of Luther and Calvin, not because. Luther's saving grace is that he helped to liberate Christendom from the tyranny of the Papacy. An incredibly valuable, essential and important achievement.

Divorce his achievement in breaking the bonds of the Papacy however and uphold only his own theology and you are left with Muhammad wearing the skin of Christianity. Just a new greedy despot desiring his voice be the authority of the Christian community and not the Pope.

So if one values Luther just at the function of liberating Christianity he's a great guy. The minute you let him start to write your new theology (and naturally show his human fallibility by doing an about face of suddenly finding it kosher to force your dogma at the point of the bayonet once he's the one in power) it's oh shit nigger wtf you doing.

And if you're going to tote out the whole worshipping saints and indulgences, then one can tote out "profess your faith and all your sins immediately dissolve and you're free to go". Sorry but "There is but one god and M̶u̶h̶a̶m̶m̶a̶d̶ Luther is his prophet" does not fly for absolution.

Only tries to save face by going "Good Christian does good works, rather than Good works do Good Christians". Which is just trying to shift the voice of authority on who is a good christian and who isn't away from the Catholic Church and onto his and his ilk's shoulders.

>>1630824
>Why does Protestantism get so much hate around here?
They're fucking Christian Jihadists.

Fucking Christian ISIS

>>1632173
catholics aren't christians.

How come whenever Cathcucks get assblasted, then always spam pages from **sources** that never cease to be irrelevant?

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It's because they translated the Bible.

In theory, it seems like a positive, and indeed I used to think that, but with a straight translation they opened a massive Pandora's box. Without the nuanced knowledge of the original languages and some theological background, a lot of the translated Bibles were either misinterpreted, taken out of context, or just plain wrong. You lose a lot of the meaning behind words when translating them from Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic into German, and to the essentially middle-eastern level of fanaticism in central Europe at the start of the 16th century this was a massive problem. No longer was a well-trained student of the traditions telling you what a part of the Bible meant, whether he had corrupt intentions or not, but any autist could now read a passage and say "holy fuck, we've been doing this part all wrong, the only way to solve that is to start burning Catholics!"

To this day, the individualism of the various sects that sprang up have left a stain on Christendom, and the continued tradition of every different church preaching the Bible as they see fit has led to a loss of credibility that has seriously harmed, and possibly mortally wounded, Christianity in the West.

tl;dr the Reformation was a mistake

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>>1630824

>not paying tax to Gods legal and spiritual representatives on earth
>claiming sale of indulgences is wrong
>dishonoring thy lord by preaching in makeshift wooden cabins
>refusal to honor thy lord with large golden statues
>responsible for the decline of feudal order
>opposed to the restoration of holy roman empire

fuck yourself OP

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>>1631436

>>1630833
This desu

t. Catholic

>>1631712
>"Kill them all and let god sort out his own"
Interesting fact, this phrase comes from the Albigensian crusade.

>>1632212
This is just straight up bullshit

>>1631436
>Saints are dead.
It's protestant deny the possibility of salvation thread #2786

>>1632682
Jesus is God. You are not.

>>1633060
Are denying the fact they're dead?

& Humanities was a mistake

>>1633086
Yes. They are are not dead, but given life everlasting.

Are you claiming Jesus is a liar, as well as a sinner?

>>1633080
So protestants worship necromancers?

>>1633109
They are given life everlasting but not on this earth. You can't communicate with them.
>>1633089
No.
>>1633121
No.

>>1633129
>They are given life everlasting but not on this earth.
This is a complete reversal of your position here and here
>>1633086
>>1631436
That Christians do not live eternally but simply die. This seems like a pretty radical theological turn around, how'd you come to it?

>>1633129
>No.
Wow, in one thread you've managed to deny life ever lasting, and admit you don't worship Jesus.

>>1630824
Abrahamic religions have too many downsides in general
Of course they played their role in history but that doesn't mean that i'm fond of them

I'm from a catholic country but i perceive that the best form of christianism is the lutheranism because it's the closest one to what christ actually preached about wich eventually leads to based agnosticism

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>>1630833
>Protestants actually take the religion part of it seriously

Protestants are literally atheists-lite.

>>1633236
it means angels, not souls.

>>1633169
>That Christians do not live eternally but simply die. This seems like a pretty radical theological turn around, how'd you come to it?
So do you think we all get assumed? wtf is wrong with you?

I'm confused as to how having a statue of a saint, a really important guy/gal in church history, or of Jesus, the savior, equals idolatry.

We had some statues of Mary and Joseph in my church and we never prayed to them, not even to the Jesus one. Why the fuck can't we just be a happy Christan family? It seems like it's all just out of spite by this point.

Christ didnt write a book, Christ founded a Church, and the Church made the bible.

The Bible went from being a holy tool of the Church, to the NUMBER 1 thing in Christianity, and something anyone could have a different opinion about.
Protestants turned Christianity into a Quranic iconoclastic religion.

If you think condemned people go to hell and are tortured forever it is ok.
If you think condemned people go to hell, theirs souls are destroyed and therefore dont suffer forver, it is ok too.
that multiplied by 1000 disagreements.

And that is how Christianity, which had remained pretty similar in practice and beliefs for a millenium and a half, divided in dozens of denominations with different beliefs.

Protestantism was an attack on the Church Christ founded 2000 years ago.

I dont think any Christian should feel he has the authority to reject the ecumenical councils of the first millenium. Including the one that allows the veneration of images.

>>1633416
The church Christ would have founded would be a tiny enclave of terrified cultists waiting for the imminent end of the world and the return of their leader. Within their lifetimes, no less.

The massive political body that later claimed descent from it had very little to do with that and everything to do with the long-term administration of people.

>>1630833
I smell a heretic

>>1630946
SSPX and Sedevacantists are schismatics.

>>1630833
FPBP

>>1633491

>my mother has cancer
>I better abandon her and make sure everyone will hate her in this state
>I'm going to hate her too, she can't be helped anymore, I'm not willing to try
>sedevacantist thinking in a nutshell

>>1630824
>Including the one that allows the veneration of images.

I fite da man take muh mury idol froms me

>>1632231
>Temple of Solomon

>>1633518
Sedevacantists are just the fruit of Catholic arrogance, like the Protestants before them. If the Pope is perfected from making errors concerning faith and morals, then the Pope who makes the error must not be a Pope. This line of thinking couldn't have happened in the first place if the Catholic church hadn't so built up the power and supernatural pagentry of the office in the first place.

>>1633552
What errors are you talking about?

>>1633565
Vatican II, from the perspective of Traditional Catholics and Sedevacants.

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>>1630866
>Having a problem with Kierkegaard

>>1633552
It never really did - official Catholic dogma clearly states that the holy father is the keeper of the deposit of faith, and thus, he can be infallible in matters of doctrine of the faith ONLY when he declares his teachings ex cathedra, based on a dogma itself. First Vatican Council stated that the dogma of papal infallibility doesn't mean that ANY pope can declare dogmas and teaching against the orthodoxy of the faith.

>>1633577
Fun thing is that the documents of V2 are NOT sealed with anathemas, therefore not following its teaching does NOT bring any church chastisements upon the faithful.

>>1631521
>Most cunts in 4chan are from Anglo-Protestant America

It's not 2004 anymore, grampa.

>>1633426
it was related to that dude
There are many church fathers who were second or third generation christians, people who were disciples of the apostles, or disciples of disciples.
an example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch

there were big christian communities in many cities of the empire in the lifetime of the apostles.
christians were relevant enough in the first century for Nero to blame them and persecute them.

>>1631398

Nobody needs anything from a Calvinist. Hence the dying out of Calvinist churches.

>>1633426
And yet, so much resemblance to the evil Roman empire.

>>1633552

Odd way to say that the Catholic claim of papal infallibility is unfalsifiable, but yes.

Catholics BTFO!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqh4Jc2VkAM

>>1630971
He's not a Catholic, just role-playing. Just report him. He uses proxies but he gets banned anyway.

>>1633847
>we have no archeological evidence of anything therefore the lack of evidence for the exodus is not a problem
This guy is hilarious.

>>1633946
He's an over the top Catholic, but a Catholic nonetheless. Nothing he says is outside Catholic catechism.

Nothing anyone says reaches him.

>>1632231
Read the Old Testament idiot, it has everything to do with the New one and Jesus is God.

>>1632333
>333
get lost Satan

>>1634073
he can't be satan; satan only lies

catholics are not christians

catholics murder christians

>>1633210
this and it's funny how atheist countries have both/either been the victim of forms of communism and/or forms of protestantism.

>>1634080
t. pawn of Satan, the accuser, the slanderer, the deceiver, the father of all lies

>>1630824
Because they somehow manage to be even dumber than the average godcuck.

>>1634095
i didn't know Russia and China were Protestant

>>1634139
Satan is a Catholic

>>1632394
>Christianity in the West
Misled via the Devil working successfully tempting and corrupting the Bishop of Rome going back over 1,000 years.. then flowered the Protestants. Heresy begets heresy. Protestants don't belong to a church, they have none since the sacraments of appointing Bishops is not adhered to.

What I find comical about Catholics is their complete doublethink in how they on one hand pretend to be unchanging and orthodox in thought and opposing secularism, but on the other hand they are adopting secular doctrines like evolution after literally centuries of peddling the YEC meme and now they're laughing at YEC protestants for being backwards and unscientific. So YEC was a part of their orthodox theology but now they're adjusting to modern scientific society while pretending to be orthodox and rigid, just doublethink of the highest order.

>>1634139
satan is the "real presence" inside the Vatican. Read some Malachi Martin ffs

>>1633565
Bishop of Rome Honorius I, for example..

>>1634271
Our lord wasn't born from sodomy you idiot

>>1633609
It's defined as infallibel

>>1634289
It never was part of official theology, which is indeed unchangeable.

>>1634329
I'm not Constantine, nor do I believe whatever heretical claim you think I believe.

Because it's indirectly responsible for the ills plaguing the West right now. Protestantism led the road to liberalism, socialism and atheism.

>>1634339
Liberals, socialists and atheists are very anti-Reformation and would support the Counter-Reformation
The Pope is a communist

>>1634324
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-heretic-pope.html?m=1

>>1634354
Why was this linked? He promoted actively a heresy and false nature of Christ.

>Specifically based on these words, after having examined the case of Pope Honorius, the great Dominican theologian, Melchior Cano, sums up the safest doctrine in these terms: “It must not be denied that the Supreme Pontiff can be a heretic, of which one or two examples may be offered. However, that (a Pope) in judgments on the faith has defined something against the faith, not even one can be demonstrated” De Locis Theologicis, l. VI, tr. spagnola, BAC, Madrid 2006, p. 409).

One clear one is Monothelitism. What is the point of this statement?

>>1631753
Muslims have both of those.

>>1634289
They didn't always use to ascribe divine attributes to Mary, either. Most of their nonsense comes from the mid-19th century.

>>1634334
Your official theology says Mary was born sinless, did not die, ascended into heaven, and is co-mediatrix between man and God.

It's pure blasphemy.

>>1634385
That it wasn't infallible.

>>1634174
>>1634095
>communism

>>1634393
Study Church history instead of embarrassing yourself.

>>1634441
Not him but papal infallibility also comes from the 19th century, it was never a dogma before that.

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>>1634396
The Blessed Virgin Mary is the New Eve and the Ark of the New Covenant as Scripture makes it clear.

Everytime you speak of her irreverently you deserve to be put to death immediately like Uzzah, you sacrilegious proddy.

>>1634457
quite true, but it was the prevailing opinion among the clergy since the 1200's

>>1634473
>Eve
>sinless

wew lad

>>1634509
>I can't read

>>1634513
>guy talks about Mary not being sinless
>NO YOU SEE, MARY IS THE NEW EVE
>Mary is the new woman who is literally the cause of the original sin

wew lad

>>1634521
>I don't know what the word "New" means
Stop shitposting.

>>1634441
1854. Read up.

>>1634473
She's neither, but the Queen of Babylon, the Queen of Heaven originally named Semiramis.

You will never meet Mary, and she has never heard from you. Ever.

>>1634556
>here comes the proddy who thinks he's enlightened after having swallowed all the debunked lies contained in Hislop's book

>>1634544
Stop backpedalling

>>1634567
You believe lies. Unbiblical lies.

>>1634567
I've never seen Hislop debunked once. Not once. Much less the thousands of times it would take, as his research was prodigious.

The Queen of Heaven is in the bible; she's condemned. So is Tammuz. He's condemned too. Nimrod is the curse from Noah to Ham's son, Canaan. Nimrod built Babylon.

Babylon moved to Pergamos, and then to Rome.

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>>1634575
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>The ark traveled to the house of Obed-edom in the hill country of Judea (2 Sam. 6:1-11).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>Mary traveled to the house of Elizabeth and Zechariah in the hill country of Judea (Luke 1:39).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>Dressed as a priest, David danced and leapt in front of the ark (2 Sam. 6:14).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>John the Baptist - of priestly lineage - leapt in his mother's womb at the approach of Mary (Luke 1:41).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>David asks, "How can the ark of the Lord come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>Elizabeth asks, "Why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>David shouts in the presence of the ark (2 Sam. 6:15).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>Elizabeth "exclaimed with a loud cry" in the presence of the Mary (Luke 1:42).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>The ark remained in the house of Obed-edom for three months (2 Sam. 6:11).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>Mary remained in the house of Elizabeth for three months (Luke 1:56).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>The house of Obed-edom was blessed by the presence of the ark (2 Sam. 6:11).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>The word blessed is used three times; surely the house was blessed by God (Luke 1:39-45).
Golden Box: Ark of the Old Covenant:
>The ark returns to its home and ends up in Jerusalem, where God's presence and glory is revealed in the temple (2 Sam. 6:12; 1 Kgs. 8:9-11).
Mary: Ark of the New Covenant:
>Mary returns home and eventually ends up in Jerusalem, where she presents God incarnate in the temple (Luke 1:56; 2:21-22).

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>>1634575
The Old Ark of the Covenant was the physical dwelling place of the Shekinah Glory.

The New Ark of the Covenant was the physical dwelling place of the Word Incarnate.

>The Old one contained the body of Jesus Christ - the word of God in the flesh.
>The New one contained the body of Jesus Christ - the word of God in the flesh.

>The Old one contained the urn filled with manna from the wilderness - the miraculous bread come down from heaven.
>The New one contained the womb containing Jesus, the bread of life come down from heaven (John 6:41).

>The Old one contained the rod of Aaron that budded to prove and defend the true high priest.
>The New one contained the actual and eternal High Priest.

I could go on and on.

All of this is Biblical. Read your Holy Bible.

>>1634584
“We are told that Mary is paralleled with David (both ‘arise’ and ‘set out’), while other times Mary is paralleled with the Ark. Moreover, the statement of David in 2 Sam 6:9, ‘How can the ark of the LORD come to me?,’ changes the parallelism from Mary/David to David/Elizabeth . . . The fluctuation of the parallelism from Mary/Ark to Mary/David to David/Elizabeth to Elizabeth/Obed-Edom seems too capricious to be valid, and is for that reason alone rightly rejected by most scholars” (Eric Svendsen, Who is my Mother? The Role of and Status of the Mother of Jesus in the New Testament and Roman Catholicism, [Calvary Press, 2001], p. 168).

In sum we must agree with Brown, Fitzmyer and the other Roman Catholic editors of the book Mary in the New Testament when they conclude, “in our judgement there is no convincing evidence that Luke specifically identified Mary with . . . the Ark of the Covenant” (Raymond Brown, Karl Donfried, Joseph Fitzmyer, John Reumann, Mary in the New Testament, [Paulist Press, 1978], p. 134).

>>1634581
>I've never seen Hislop debunked once. Not once.
lol

>>1634584
She no longer contains God and she hasn't since he was born. She's a mere woman.

>>1634587
That's in your unholy catholic bible, actually. Your unholy catholic bible changes many of God's truths into lies, including feminizing the proto-evangelion.

Which is disgusting.

Worship Mary, go to hell. Just that simple.

>>1634587
>physical dwelling
For nine months.

>>1634591

lol

lol

>>1634590
Instead of copying and pasting garbage from www.reformedapologeticsministries.com, try to refute what I wrote.

You're literally behaving like an atheist.

>>1634587
Another argument used in order to connect Mary with the Ark is brought out by Armstrong: “as David leapt for joy when the ark was brought to Jerusalem (2 Sam. 6:14-16; cf. 1 Chron. 15:29), so did John the Baptist in Elizabeth’s womb when the ark of the New Covenant was near (Luke 1:44)” (Dave Armstrong, A Biblical Defense of Catholicism, [Sophia Institute Press, 2003], p. 179). However, as Roman Catholic scholars such as Raymond Brown, Joseph Fitzmyer and others in their book Mary in the New Testament note, “This parallelism approaches fantasy when David’s dancing before the Ark (2 Sam 6:14) is compared to the baby’s leaping in Elizabeth’s womb as she greets Mary (Luke 1:41, 44)” (Raymond Brown, Karl Donfried, Joseph Fitzmyer, John Reumann, Mary in the New Testament, [Paulist Press, 1978], p. 133 n. 296). These Catholic scholars are correct since in Luke 1:41 where we read, “the baby leaped in her womb,” and Luke 1:44 where we read, “the baby in my womb leaped for joy,” the Greek word for “leaped” in both instances is eskirtēsen. However, in the LXX Greek the word in 2 Samuel 6:14 is anekroueto and it refers to David “sounding” or “playing music,” not leaping. In 1 Chronicles 15:29 the Greek word is orchoumenon which means “dance,” not “leap for joy.”

>>1634598
I accept your surrender.

>>1634592
>She's a mere woman.
And the Incarnate Word was a mere man?

This anon is right >>1633210

>>1634598
No, that's all you're worth.

Quotes from Catholics saying Mary is not the ark of the new covenant, is not the new Eve, and the reasons therefor.

>>1634607
Putting Mary and Jesus on the same plane is exactly the blasphemous idolatrous problem we're talking about.

>>1634607
Oh shit dude, you totally convinced me
Mary is a godess and the tiune god must fall down and worship her!

>>1634616
>strawmanning

>>1634617
>strawmanning

>>1634598
In sum we must agree with Brown, Fitzmyer and the other Roman Catholic editors of the book Mary in the New Testament when they conclude, “in our judgement there is no convincing evidence that Luke specifically identified Mary with . . . the Ark of the Covenant” (Raymond Brown, Karl Donfried, Joseph Fitzmyer, John Reumann, Mary in the New Testament, [Paulist Press, 1978], p. 134).

Maybe actually read that your side doesn't believe what you say they do.

>>1634619
>>She's a mere woman.
>And the Incarnate Word was a mere man?

>>1634619
>>1634620
No dude totally, Mary is the supreme godess. What are you a protestant heretic!?

>>1634620
You know the muslims think Mary is part of the trinity because of you catholics, yes?

>>1634622
>“in our judgement there is no convincing evidence that Luke specifically identified Mary with . . . the Ark of the Covenant”
And?

>>1634625
By using your logic: yes.

>>1634627
>strawmanning

>>1634628
(You)

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>all of this demonic rage against the Blessed Virgin Mary
Yikes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq2gonkO0nw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEC0TcgM0aw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuljuu6uqqc

>>1634628
She is greater than the trinity. God honors and submits too his Mother.

>>1634637
They don't believe what you say they believe.
Elevating Mary to Jesus' status is blasphemy and idolatry.
Reductio ad absurdem kills your argument.
(Me)

>>1634644
Yes, God hates Idolatry.

>>1634645
More abominations and blasphemies for Jesus to repay the Whore of Babylon.

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>>1634645
>proddy false-flag

>>1634647
>Elevating Mary to Jesus' status
Keep strawmanning anon.

>>1634653
Your god is Satan, the accuser, the slanderer, the deceiver, the father of all lies.

>>1634645 (You)
>>1634655 (You)

>>1634658
>>1634659
>implying God doesn't honor his Holy Mother
>implying God sins

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>>1634658
Pic related, it's Christ according to Rome

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Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
Luke 1:46-48

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>>1634556
>Queen of Babylon, the Queen of Heaven originally named Semiramis
>>1634592
>She's a mere woman

Hmmm....

>>1634663
>implying God sins
Your false-prophet Luther thinks so: >>1610680

>>1634670
See >>1631405

>>1634670
Why is Satan pointing at the Antichrist's dick

>>1630946
>SSPX and Sedevacantism
>implying the Catholic Church at large is even remotely fond of those guys

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Educate yourselves proddies:

http://www.ignatius.com/promotions/cfe/documents/Mary%20web%20pages.pdf

>>1631290
>all NT rock metaphors are talking about the same thing
So then why did Jesus basically say "You know Simon, Imma start calling you Rocko, and I'll build a kickass club around that Rock-o!"

>>1633518
More like

>my mother has cancer so she's not really my mother but an imposter

>>1634402
Of course, Papal infallibility is a heresy.

>>1634521
And Jesus is the New Adan, the new man who sinned together with Eve.

You don't seem to understand the "New" thing.