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Aztec/Mesoamerican Thread 2.0

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Another Aztec/Meso thread, last one seemed pretty successful.

Aztec military organization was actually quite complicated. The army varied in size depending on how many soldiers were levied from tributary provinces, but the largest recorded size was 400,000.

Battalions of 8000 were split into companies, and then squads under the command of a captain. Troop costume was dependent on individual rank and varied heavily within the same unit, but units used similar colors and banners to maintain cohesion.

Highly skilled units used obsidian lined broadswords that were one or two handed. Levies and low skilled soldiers used obsidian lined halberds, as well as bows and slings. Blunt weapons were, however, used by both military classes.
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>>1629339

In battle, the Aztecs attempted to surround and outflank their enemies. They almost always engaged enemy forces with superior numbers, in order to maintain a strong center.

They were known for feint retreats. By intentionally retreating their center line, the charging enemy would be drawn into a double envelopment by Aztecs soldiers. Oftentimes, the Aztecs would dig foxholes and trenches in order to conceal elite units for surprise attacks and flanking maneuvers.

Following an exchange of projectile fire, elite units called Cuachicqueh were sent into battle first. They operated in pairs, and served as Mexica shock troops to cause chaos among enemy lines and potentially provoke them into a premature attack. After them came the first organized units of veteran soldiers, followed by levies and soldiers in training.
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>>1629369
The "Shorn Ones" were the most prestigious warrior society – their heads were shaved apart from a long braid over the left ear. Their bald heads and faces were painted one half blue and another half red or yellow. They served as imperial shock troops, and took on special tasks as well as battlefield assistance roles when needed.

Over six captives and dozens of other heroic deeds were required for this rank. They apparently turned down captaincies in order to remain constant battlefield combatants. Recognizable by their yellow tlahuitzli, they had sworn not to take a step backwards during a battle on pain of death at the hands of their comrades.

They were badass dudes. They NEEDED to fight in order to obtain and maintain their position in the order. The yellow fellow on the Codex is one of "shorn"
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So tell me about their cavalry arm.
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>>1630381
But having such a strong military built many enemies. As OP's pictures show, the Spanish had plenty of native help.

The Tlaxcalans, who can be seen on any codex and even Aztec art, have red and white braided ropes around their heads. Their confederacy of tribes actually fought the Spanish when they found them - contrary to the stories we all hear of every Mesoamerican bowing to them as Thundergods and what-not.

Their chief saw how so few Spaniards could decimate their ranks. Whether it was a way to spare their own tribe thousands of more deaths or if it truly was a way for them to finally usurp the Aztecs, the Tlaxcalans joined up with the Spanish.

Their support during and after the conquest of Central America gave them a lot actually. Any Tlaxcalan was allowed to remain as such: they were not forced into slavery or "citizenship" under New Spain. They could carry guns, ride horses, hold noble titles if they requested their lands to be entered into Spanish sovereignty.

They maintained their language for over a century, but it was just better to learn Spanish for business purposes. They had some Tlaxcalans go back to Spain after gaining proficient Spanish languages skills in order to aid the royalty in planning and maintaining of the region.
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>>1630412
There were no horses in Mesoamerica before European arrival. The Europeans were the only horsemen in the army against the Aztecs. That changed after a century, but horses were indeed a rare and sometimes scary sight to natives.
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>>1630416

Did the mesoamericans ever realize their costumes looked like shit?
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>>1630428
To them, their costumes were THE SHIT. They tried to resemble all manner of things from animals to gods/demons (depends who you ask).

Their generals and higher officers wore helmets that resembled a screaming skull. They had little armor so to speak. They liked soaking their cloth armor in salt water in order to make it very hard.

The Spaniards remarked and how hard it was to cut, but how easy it was to penetrate with a thrust or with some kind of ranged weapon.

Without access to a lot of metal, they never really mastered the art of metallurgy. They made due with stone, obsidian [still used in modern surgery scalpels], and cold-forged copper. They did not use the copper in war however: it was considered too valuable and useful in civic tasks like deforestation for farms.

They even paid some of their folks using the copper heads.
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>>1629339
So how exactly did the Mexica manage to build Tenochtitlan? Was there anything else like it in the region previously? Hell, anything like it in all of the Americas?
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>>1630412
they have something better, the death whistle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9QuO09z-SI
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>>1630471
If you mean island cities yes. Tah Itza was a Maya city contemporary to Tenochtitlan in the Peten region. Zaachila of the Zapotecs was also said to be an island city. If by size then Teotihuacan is larger. And Cholula While smaller was still pretty big.
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>>1630512

Jesus. No wonder they're extinct.
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Does anybody know why they had a Huastec (Cuextecatl) rank?
Did the Otontin rank was also related to the Otomies?
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>>1632633
They weren't Huastecs per say they just copied their attire. They appropriated a lot of things of the Huastec culture as much as they despised them. Even their deities Tlazolteotl, Toci, Quetzalcoatl in his cone shaped hat appearance came from there. It was related to the Otomies, but the warriors themselves were not auxillaries. They copied their face painting, and had a hairstyle kind of merging a traditional aztec warriors mixed with a Otomies.
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PAJAMA WAR
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>>1632926
Cool, were there more ranks like those?
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>>1634987

OP here. None that are known, but my guess is there are quite a few military ranks that will remain unknown for a long time so its entirely possible.
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>>1632926
>>1635211
Now it makes more sense, thanks guys
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Can you post a link to last thread?

I also heard on /v/ there's been a lot of precolumbian weapon threada lately, would love to see an archive of those as well

>>1630512
I've never seen a source that this was an actual thing they had.

>>1630451
>. They did not use the copper in war however: it was considered too valuable and useful in civic tasks like deforestation for farms.

You sure about that? Weren't tlaximaltepoztli/tepoztli sometimes copper?
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Why did aztecs eat so much corn and not enough turkey?
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>>1636710
Yes, they were copper sometimes. But those were used in ceremonies because of how grand and beautiful the copper looked. I mean, I could see them having it on the field to intimidate some of the foes.

Copper could shatter a hundred obsidian weapons and still be usable
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>>1637730
>>1630451
Do you have sources to back the "saving copper tools for infrastructural rather then warfare purpose" up?
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OP again. If you're interested in this kind of weaponry, here's mine. I bought it off of Ebay, theres a seller that custom makes these. Just look up Macuahuitl on Ebay and it will be one of the first things that pops up.

The blades arent knapped, they're machined. Although thats not accurate, it makes them look really nicely constructed. The Aztecs were master obsidian knappers, and we'll probably never see that level of expertise again.
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>>1638761
Put some white feathers on there, I've seen some of their art having the feathers on for ceremonies. It looks great against the dark obsidian

>>1638396
I do,

http://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/home/mesoamerican-copper-industry-of-connections

and

"Ancient West Mexican Metallurgy: South and Central American Origins and West Mexican Transformations" by Dorothy Hosler
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>>1637234
Well when you mix maize with beans you get a good amount of protein. And there's so many uses for maize. Tortillas, tamales, popcorn, atol (a drink), chicha (an alcoholic drink), I read somewhere even the stalks were used as toilet paper.
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>>1636710
>I've never seen a source that this was an actual thing they had.

IDK
I would not be surprised if they did tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyEB7Ao-0FY
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>>1630424
Well the Chichimecs in the 15th century did mount them and became even more of a problem to Spanish attempts to reach the silver mines in the north. It got to the point that the Chichimecs beat them militarily in a long war and the Spaniards had to conquer them culturally, with religion, and settling nahuas in Chichimec terrirory. As a way to show them how to stop being nomads and living as 'civilized' peoples.
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Who's your favorite mesoamerican figure, /his/?

I'm a fan of Nezhualcoyotle myself.
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>>1641302
Probably him too, his story would make a good film. 8 Deer Jaguar Claw is also an interesting leader.

And who can forget the tragedy of Huemac.
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Did the Aztecs really thought that they were the choosen people of the gods or its just a myth?

Also post as many pics of Tenochtitlan as possible, I need some nice visuals of the city for stuff.
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>>1642324
Pic related comes from a remnant of the Texcoco lake system.
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>>1642357
Present-day farming upon a volcano
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Iztacihuatl and Popocatepetl volcanoes
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>>1642511
View from Mexico City
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>>1641302
Tlahuicole desu senpai
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>>1641263
That's interesting that the Spanish would do that. I rarely hear of Europeans resorting to such tactics. Usually more force and men was the answer to resistance.

>>1642511
Beautiful
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>>1642314
>>1642320
>>1642324
MORE! KEEP IT COMING!
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>>1643345
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>>1643786
Sadly, other than the center of the city, not much is known about the architecture
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Anyone recommend any good Mesoamerican fiction in film/comic/manga etc?
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>>1629339
Fuck these people were savages. Thank his my ancestors wiped these fuckers out. Fuck them and fuck you for making a thread about this death cult.
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>>1644917
They weren't wiped out, the descendants still exist.
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>>1644969
Oh you mean those fuckers south of the border STILL chopping each other to pieces?
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>>1644917
Heh
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>>1644969
Who are the modern day descendants?
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>>1643812
We should do what Saddam did with the Ziggurats and rebuild some of those pyramids or something, they just look soo cool...
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>>1644976
Well perhaps. If you mean Aztec, they'd have to be Nahua descendants (and specific ones at that) and as I understand much of the violence in Mexico is in the north and the coasts.

>>1644969
Nahuas (pic related)
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>>1644980
See above
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>>1642320
Did it really look anything like that?
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>>1644889
No idea other than Apocalypto

You could always try to read the Popol Vuh
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>>1645116
>"(About Montezuma II) He possessed out of the city as well as within, numerous villas, each of which had its peculiar sources of amusement, and all were constructed in the best possible manner for the use of a great prince and lord. Within the city his palaces were so wonderful that it is hardly possible to describe their beauty and extent ; I can only say that in Spain there is nothing equal to them."

- Cortes to Charles V
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>>1644985

I don't think the mexicans would like that.

They are very christian now, and woudl be disgusted by their ancestors religious behavior - skining people alive and eating their hearts and crap
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>>1645233
>skining people alive and eating their hearts
The hearts were offered to the gods, and they skinned only the bodies of the warriors were sacrificed. At the end of the day those captured warriors could have died in the battlefield in similar ways, if not worse.
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I often wonder how indians came to invent the bow. I mean, I've never in my life seen it addressed how two different sides of the world stumbled upon the same weapon.

The world is in desperate need of a History of Archery documentary.
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>>1645347
They probably didnt invent it. It was introduced into mexico from north america, which means that it might have come to the americas from the old world. Small scale seafaring traders moving from russia to alaska. Just a guess though.
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>>1645347
bowns are old.

The natives came from mongolia/ north asia , chances are they bring bows with them.
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>>1643734
>>1643724
>>1642314
these are all by the same artist. I found a site that has info on his work, his email, and mentions a CD that you can buy that has more of it but I don't see a way to buy it and it's all in spainish so I can't email him, either

>>1644917
nice meme

>>1645116
Yeah, pretty much every first hand account from the conquistadors mention that Tenochititlan and the neighboring cities were unbelievably magnificent and BTFO'd anything comparable in europe.

read http://desuarchive.org/his/thread/983869/#990357 it's reply chain if you want specific examples, >>1645190 already posted one
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I'm trying to come up with a story about Viravocha being a time-traveler from the distant future going back to collect records of the ancient Mayan/Incan cultures, at the end of their civilization and basically leaving just as the Spainards are en route. However, I'm rapidly losing inspirational steam as I'm woefully ignorant of mesoamerican history other than what I've read in mystery books from the 70's and 80's.

Where do I start, so that I can better put myself in the shoes of pre-Columbian New World?
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>>1646356

Handbook to life in the Aztec world is a good place to start. Its not a scholarly source because Aguilar Moreno isnt a scholar, but its good for basic info.
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>>1646356
I have a lot of Mesoamerican related pdf books. If anyones interested I can put them on mega.
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>>1648194
Thanks broski!
>>1648474
Could you upload them to mediafire?
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>>1648474
Make a thread on /tg/ and upload them there?
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>>1645233
Nah man, we literally have Aztec tlatoanis in our currency, we like the Aztec/Maya stuff big time but a lot of people are not interested/well documented regarding history in Mexico, no one would complain about a pyramid or two being rebuilt but not many would be interested in the projec either.
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>>1648631
I'll try. Do I need to sign up to make an account?
>>1649022
I can post there and here.
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>>1644976
The south of Mexico is way more tame than the north with the cartels
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>>1650961
>>1644976
>>1645002
>>1644969
>>1644917
daily reminder that the aztecs sacrificed less people per captia then individual countries in europe executed, and the aztec sacrifices were at least treated extremely well and the process was somewhat voluntary.

It was at worse only just as bad as what was going on in europe at the time.
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>>1651975
Where can one find those statistics about the European executions vs. Aztec sacrifices?
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>>1629339
>Battalion
>8000 men

Does not compute
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>>1651975
I thought it was reported that major festivals had sacrifices in the thousands.

And a polytheistic society would have a lot of festivals.
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>>1650929
Yes, you need an account.
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>>1653596
They had a lot

>>1651975
I can't imagine this being better than Europe. They would sacrifice 40,000 people over the course of a couple days to celebrate a new temple opening. I mean... Europe would have been depopulated if they tried that every time a Church opened.
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>>1653757
And don't forget: the Aztecs waged war using weapons designed to maim and injure opponents. They needed to feed their gods so much blood that using your own people was not enough. They had to destroy entire cultures, languages, and nations to do so.

Just because they wanted their fucking corn to grow. Europe and the Middle East did similar stupid stuff over land and territory. God wills it after all
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>>1653596
They had festivals year round, for every month of the year except the 5 useless days. And they had special festivals for other events like coronations, new temples built, new fire ceremony etc. If you read most of the accounts though sometimes only one was sacrificed, sometimes dozens, sometimes none. The biggest recorded was for the completion of the new temple, which consisted of thousands (2-4k though most likely).
>>1653551
Pic kinda related
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>>1653912
What book is that from?
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>>1653938
1491 by Charles Mann
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>>1653948
Tank you.
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>>1653757
It's shit like this that makes me wonder why my armano wish for the return of the aztecs. My people were brutalized by them for centuries and gladly accepted the Spanish offer of revenge. They wiped the aztecs off the face of the earth over 500 years ago, yet in modern day they claim to be descended from them? How? Not one was left alive!
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>>1653551
pic related is the source

Read all the text visible in the image, not just the highlighted stuff
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>>1653991
It's stupid retarded gangbangers who probably only know the Aztecs by name.
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>>1653757
see
>>1654192

40,000 over the course of a couple of days is a clearly exaggerated number, i've seen somebody do the math for that figure before and it adds up to them having to kill like 3 people a second nonstop for that entire period of time.

>>1653991
>>1654212
plenty of the aztecs were still alive, especially from other city states in the empire besides tenochititlan. Also, while not aztec, there are literally pockets of Mayans who were never conquered and have continued to live in their tribes since precolumbian times to modern day, just doing trade with the colonies but otherwise having their traditions largely intact.

The issue is that the Maya civilization collapsed on it's own before anybody got to the americas, so those groups don't have records or anything of what the civilization and those city states were like either

Pic related shows a mexican that's ethnically very similar to precolumbian nahua peoples, which was the ethnic group the aztecs and their sub enthincities belonged to.
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Any recommendations as to good reads on Mexoamerican history? Or even any good documentaries to watch?
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>>1654262
Seconding this. I've read 1491 and would like something similar or more in depth. Not just mesoamerica but central and south as well
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>>1654374
>>1654262
I don';t have any book suggestions, but AskHistorians on plebbit is a pretty good resource since if you aren't an expert or don't post sources to back up your shit your post will get deleted.

They have links to good threads about mesoamerican stuff in their FAQ and a whole documentary/book suggestion list
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>>1654192
Sounds like bullshit to me as it's equating the execution of criminals with sacrificial victims. Unless the claim is being made that Aztecs only sacrificed criminals, it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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>>1631239
The Maya are the one's that went extinct, there are still pockets of Aztec decedents that still speak the native tongue all across Mexico, to this day.
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>>1654485
Man, remember all those Maya who were forcefully resisting alien control and trying to establish an independent state in the Yucatán clear into the 1930s? Or the ones who make up 40% of the current Guatemalan population?
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>>1654237
It's actually 2 per second, and who's to say the time was not exaggerated? Maybe it was over a week.
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>>1654485
No, both the Nahuas and Maya still exist. Natural itself is the second most spoken language in Mexico and there's literally millions of Maya people today.
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>>1654628
*Nahuatl

Sorry fuckin autocorrect
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>>1654628
Well, I guess you learn something new every day.
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>>1654628
Guatemala has 42% of its population still using native languages today, although most speak Spanish as a way to communicate with each other and their less native neighbors.

Mayans had some brutal boxing rituals. Their costume is fucking rad too
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>>1654666
>Fighting with sea shell boxing gloves

METAL AS FUCK
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>>1630424
there were horses in the americas before european arrival. about 10-12k years before. clovis points took care of that along with a lot of other stuff.
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>>1654666
It's funny I always find my illustrations in these Meso threads on his. I'm working on another Maya boxing drawing. Pic related is wip

While not Maya, the related practice of ritual boxing continues today in Guerrero btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGIWPIUCX_E
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>>1654454
Well, that's actually sort of the case: the aztecs mostly sacrificed war prisoners.

I'd say the % of the people who the aztecs sacrificed were war prisoners and the % of people executed in europe in any of those countries were actually crminals that deserved it are probably equal, if not in the aztec's favor.

Plus, again, at least you got well treated when you were sacrificed by the aztecs. You pretty much lived like royalty untill you got gutted, vs living worse then an animal in jail.

>>1654485
No, you got it backwards. Aztecs all either died or bred with spainiards, the maya had surviving pockets.
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>>1654946
>>1654454
If you wanna know more about "the aztecs sacrificed mostly war prisoners" thing, look up Flower Wars.

They were battles speffically decided ahead of time so that both the Aztec empire, and whoever the other side was (a neighboring kingdom or confederacy, or a tributary) could both get war prisoners and pratice combat, rather then actually fighting for conquest.

Pretty much the whole region practiced sacrifice to some degree, though the aztecs did it the most. in a sense, it was semi voluntary, since soldiers on both side were after the same thing, and knew what they getting into, and generally speaking accepted their fate since it was a very honorable death and guaranteed you the best spot possible in the afterlife; and it was done with the understanding that the gods litterally needed human blood to keep the cosmos from running out of fuel.

I don't really think there's much to be gained by having a pissing match over which were worse: Both the Aztecs and European colonial empires/nations had plenty of religiously motivated killings, executions of prisoners, random people who got caught up in shit and got punished for it past what we would consider ethical today, etc. You can debate the specific but at the end of the day the actual numbers are pretty similar, and the "well which was more justified" debate pretty subjective.

A much more interesting topping is their rad as fuck agricultural, hydroengineering, and architectural feats.
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>>1655023
>A much more interesting topping

kek, meant topic
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>>1654943
OP here. Always happy to see you around these threads.
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>>1629339
Thinking about pre-Columbian Mesoamerica really depresses me. Such a waste. People bring up human sacrifice (as if that's a justification for wiping out entire civilizations), but it's not like Europe wasn't up to some fucked up shit, and social progress would have eventually lead to them abolishing it anyways.

I really think the world would be in a better place now if they were still around. I mean, I can't say that for certain, maybe conflict was inevitable, but having another pillar of civilization in the world could have led to some interesting dynamics.
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>>1655240
I don't know if it'd be a better place but having tenochtitlan still be around would be awesome.

>the pyramids of giza, but as an entire city square complex
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>>1655253
Cholula too
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>>1655514
>the pyramid of khufu, but located amid volcanoes
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>>1655520
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>tfw chichimeca ancestors

the aztecs basically saw my ancestors as nomadic savages
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>>1655618
Just like they did with their ancestors
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>>1643724
>Iztapalapa
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>>1655714
??
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>>1644889
I never thought there could be manga about it.
I need sauce on image
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>>1650961
Well not so much, excuiding southeast mexico the rest of the south is becoming more and more dangerous and the north is becoming less dangerous
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>>1655718
Are you mexican?
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>>1655792
why?
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>>1655520
That's pretty epic.
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>>1654943
That's awesome, welcome to the thread. And I did not know there is a modern style of it. Thanks for the info, Drawfriend
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>>1654689
Fair enough, a rephrased statement might be better "The Nahuatl and other Mesoamerican cultures at the time of Columbus's and Cortez's arrival had never seen horses before"
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>>1655792
I know it may sound like a joke now, but the original Iztapalapa was a different place. Shame it got completely destroyed.

Here's an account of a letter sent by Cortes to Charles V:

>"The city of Iztapalapa contains twelve or fifteen thousand houses; it is situated on the shore of a large salt lake, one-half of it being built upon the water, and one half on terra firma. The governor or chief of the city has several new houses, which, although they are not yet finished, are equal to the better class of houses in Spain –being large and well constructed, in the stone work, the carpentry, the floors, and the various appendages necessary to render a house complete, excepting the reliefs and other rich work usual in Spanish houses."
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>>1641679
Every society thinks that they're the chosen one of the gods, especially powerful empires
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>>1643724
>tfw live in Coyoacán
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>>1646133
A couple of hundred spaniards BTFO'd their entire "empire".
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>>1659268
And disease and tens of thousands of native allies.
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Did Tarascans build these kinds of roads just for practical purposes? Or was there an ideological reason too?
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>>1659806
Also, why did they had chac mools? Could it suggest the reception of Mayan ambassadors/traders like in the Mixquic island?
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>>1659268
Anon, The aztecs only got BTFO'd when the spainish came back 10 months (after the aztecs ran them out of tenochtitlan) with an army of like 200,000 tlaxcalan soliders, as the aztecs were suffering from famine and smallpox.

You don't need to be an expert to know that, even fucking wikipedia goes over this

please inform yourself before posting
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>>1660591
>>1659268
Also

>empire in quotes

It meets every possible deifntion of an empire. It had a single authoritative ruler who controlled territory directly as a nation himself (the main triple alliance), conquered territory as well as other kingdoms, nations, and city states as tributaries.

Also, as far as the actual cities themselves, the aztecs actually had MORE impressive cities then europe did at the time, see >>1657696 and >>1645190 and >>1646133

The amount of territory the aztecs controlled was certainly smaller then most European empires though

Maybe you are mixing the aztecs up with the mayans, who were NOT an empire, since even though they shared a common language, religion, culture, etc; they were never united and only ever existed as separate city states; think un-unified Greece
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>>1660625
I always understood the Maya being like Italy in the 15fh-16th century. City-states warring, sea-faring merchant traders, sharing similar culture but still very different (try comparing Mayapan to the K'iche), and also renown in the arts. The Mixtecs kinda occupied this spot too with regards to being skilled artisans and warring city-states. Though the Maya were much bigger merchants,
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>>1660625
This is a nice map. The maya area and the south though were a huge cluster fuck.
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Why did everybody hate the Aztecs? It's like everyone ganged up on them when the Spaniards came.
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>>1660625
Ayooo *sacrifices 1000 children* we wuz an empire n shieet *dies from smallpox*
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>>1660836
>Massive oppressive imperialistic power who's sole purpose is to capture as many prisoners from neighbouring lands as possible and literally carve their hearts out as sacrifice to their bloodthirsty gods

The Aztecs were Chaos from Warhammer 40K and i can only guess that the tribes had well past had enough of that and probably saw the Spaniards as saviours who's rule they'd much prefer to live under.
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>>1660857
Not even close.
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>>1630512

Holy fuck!

If I saw a thousand assholes marching at me and they were all making that noise, I'd straight up shit myself.
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>>1660836
They literally thought the world would end if they stopped cutting out the hearts of thousands of people all year long.
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>>1660852
back to /pol/ with you
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Does anybody know more wooden artworks?
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>>1662192
It doesn't preserve well over time so they are pretty rare to come across, like codices and textiles.
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>>1659934
Tarascans had chac mools too? Cool didn't know that.

Anyone know any good books on these people btw?
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>>1664860

Ross Hassig wrote a few books on the Tarascans I think. That was his earlier work though, so it might be a bit outdated.
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Anyone know if the Aztecs ever fought the Maya?
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>>1668117

The Aztecs conquered down into the Xoconocho region which borders Guatemala. That would have been a region under the control of the highland Maya.

Ross Hassig argues that they might have had a military presence at Xicallanco and an unknown region called "Cimatlan" which might have existed somewhere in the Maya area.

In any case, they probably traded and interacted extensively.
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>>1659806
>>1664860
bump
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>>1654262
>>1654374
Dumping, Maya books. There's more to come.

Painting the Maya Universe: Royal Ceramics of the Classic Period. Duke

University Museum of Art.
https://mega.co.nz/#!
0okVnCAa!FAc0tggqrpqbXLPJWQuTxxxMk4Ippqb0rnLCAhGa2CQ

The New Catalog of Maya Hieroglyphs: The Classic period inscriptions
Martha J. Macri, Matthew George Looper
https://mega.nz/#!
3AEEEapb!xaqOBK-e1mrazSosXGkFrStU1MvLDHXwg9z9ZT8eEO8

The Woman in the Shaman's Body: Reclaiming the Feminine in Religion and

Medicine. Barbara Tedlock
https://mega.co.nz/#!
k9lX3IqC!56igjJrSC8rIndWLknqkZ2klQBqV8OD3N85vSzo05jg

Time and the Highland Maya. Barbara Tedlock.
https://mega.co.nz/#!
h010wIpL!PSVjG3tR62niEAMpDCDUKFdeKswK1265yWr3SiKPIBk

Popol Vuh trans Dennis Tedlock
https://mega.co.nz/#!t
0dECS7D!MA2WUiqv6ieShP0xCZs32fHUuvWy4H2LrRyUdlYrljU

Rabinal Achi: a Mayan drama of war and sacrifice. Dennis Tedlock
https://mega.nz/#!
JxMjEKya!Gr7KHz9ZpwXlXLq4eCWCxB1kgBM7xpeconQmLlxs_Ec

2000 Years of Mayan Literature. Dennis Tedlock.
https://mega.co.nz/#!
lxtlERqB!_DWJpU3HMXzkXA9f2nGUHWnlUuEuidqvpToQRLhZbso

Palenque : recent investigations at the classic Maya center Damien B. Marken.
https://mega.nz/#!
rd9E2DBK!6SRLTMXxgH5Bda2dxfNdxsAESwct86KhuElfMqqIWXE

Lowland Maya Civilization in the Eighth Century A.D. J. A. Sabloff, J. S. Henderson (eds.)
https://mega.nz/#!
SFkC1agZ!UNEMEUB6AGqaTybLffNIQ_FKazEIgwRQ7-pvZR_mDNA

The Memory of Bones. Body, Being, and Experience among the Classic Maya.
https://mega.co.nz/#!
h0dQCK6K!b8pWwAsW5fm4NzH0X9W8Tm2BS2pti-eD0iSjUkptUus

The Shapes of Sacred Space: A Proposed System of Geometry Used to Lay Out and Design Maya Art and Architectuture and Some Implications Concerning Maya Cosmology. Christopher Powell.
https://mega.co.nz/#!
uVkVRCwA!7ev4F47DnIe-HppZn_zHOyguDu3tEWAKzqjKkwZuymM

The Life Within: classic Maya and the matter of permanence.
https://mega.co.nz/#!
Jx8iALTT!xyrFPRu7JF9-dlgVyD_8fHAIZ1szeC8lxLqPYGcQH4w
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>>1670728
A few more, I'll post more tomorrow

Royal Courts of the Ancient Maya, Volume Two: Data and Case Studies, 2001, Edited by: Takeshi Inomata
https://mega.co.nz/#!
CZcjVLBb!QUqT_R-6LO0QlODvMmgzfPX6YrCZkwPGOul7SHy6qNg

The Classic Maya. Cambridge World Archaelogy.
https://mega.co.nz/#!
I01XkDaZ!rTAi8r4V95PnhKoBdzMj8YHzz65MW08c-c8FWVSNEtI

Corpus of Maya Hieroglyphic Inscriptions, 9 Volumes.
https://mega.nz/#
F!7QdCVJRQ!DBPdt_NLF9UqUFXAeqMkFg

An Album of Maya Architecture. Tatiana Proskouriakoff.
https://mega.co.nz/#!
d8EVlZ7K!Pj6Xh2yt4S2zRzkFSC_uLSf_8UBICwwIodOgKlYjhS4

An Illustrated Dictionary of the Gods and Symbols of Ancient Mexico and the Maya
https://mega.nz/#!
rMMnCTwR!daKfOmq9YuSuDINVwVoTBAL3xCrq2qyqxeTTIw9_ym4

Aztec and Maya Myths (Legendary Past Series). Karl Taube
https://mega.co.nz/#!
J5kBnY5B!RQcaVAkueodR0cLGpfZr_WT0o5RO0mArXBeH9-nC1SQ

Ritual human sacrifice in Mesoamerica
https://mega.nz/#!
6MFTyCKb!l9mobavEelHZDTqAy0Mki60oDTjAsdJXaeMfrccxwN4

Mexico. From the Olmecs to the Aztecs
https://mega.nz/#!
TM8HEKab!d6oc_9qWEDJE5SlNYfYGuquPCf9JcsL7-xEEZPpK52s

James Maffie. Aztec Philosophy.
https://mega.nz/#!
rp502baL!t7L8wKHg9jACC_9Ro2wudwm_v1-BofXgsAcRCBtZ60o
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>>1666122
When the Spaniards set forth to conquer the Maya city states they used Nahua allies, the Aztecs were an important part of them.
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>>1670728
>>1670751
Nice, do you have anything to do with warfare? Or about north american indians or South americans?
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