So horse archers were unstopable until they invented guns ?

Or until they ran out of arrows

>>1625839
More like until they faced an European fortress.

>>1625839
The longbow could kill them at 400 yards

In historical RTS maybe

but arrows would have a hard time hitting heavily fortified defenses or shield formations. Huns were a nuisance than an actual threat to the Romans because they would ambush and raid the unarmored/undefended parts of the empire and run quickly when the forces arrive. The threat came when they pushed the more unarmored Germanics into the empire.

But the Huns weren't the first time they faced horse archers so they knew how to deal with them (dunno how the Mongols were able to do all the stuff they did though).

>>1625908
>Huns were a nuisance than an actual threat to the Romans
To the Eastern Romans maybe, and that's only because they were able to pay them to go away. They had no chance of beating their armies, and that's why they terrorized Europe with impunity for as long as they did.

>>1625839
>THE HORSE IS DEAD, FOR I HAVE KILLED IT

>>1625839
Horse archers are pretty much useless against decent armour or fortifications

>>1625919
it was kinda a stalemate scenario

Huns couldn't pick a fight with the actual army so they attacked the less defended parts

but at the same time they can still run circles around the army so the soldiers couldn't get close enough to combat them

since the Huns already taken all their gold, women, and food this scenario was only profitable to the Huns.

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>>1625908
>dunno how the Mongols were able to do all the stuff they did though¨

maybe because their bows were stronger?

>>1625944
>Huns couldn't pick a fight with the actual army
Hardly. How do you think the Huns managed to convince the Eastern Roman Empire to pay tribute? The Huns crushed the ERE in battle and took lots of forts from them early on, that's how they managed to extract tribute. They did better than the Western Empire, but at this point Rome's legions were a joke. After the WRE lost their friendly relations with Attila they were scrabbling to find a way to make him call off his invasion of Italy because they had absolutely no way to stop his armies.

>>1625967
>>1625908
Mongols were much more than just nomadic horse archers. Their army was multi-ethnic and regularly incorporated new technologies whenever it encountered them. I'm so tired of the meme that Mongols couldn't take walled cities, as if all the cities between Baghdad and Khanbaliq had no walls.

>>1625987
HORSE ARCHERS cant take walled cities

>>1626026
They had seige weapons. And foot soliers. Where do you people get the idea that all they did was ride around and shoot recurve bows and nothing more to it? They had really gangster strategy not just on the battle field but politically.

>>1625967
wow, that are some beautiful bows

>>1626399
I dont know or care, thread is about horse archers not combined arms mongolian warfare

>>1626436
For ants.

No, forces that relied heavily on horse archers were beaten many times before the invention of guns

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>>1625839
Not really.

For one thing there's other people's horse archers, and foot archers who carried weapons than can outrange yours.

Also skirmishing isnt a battle winner. I know how everyone loves to point out LEL THE NOMADS WILL JUST AVOID COMBAT but that in itself is dangerous. Because you know who doesnt move as fast as Nomad Armies? Their families in their camps.

Much of the extermination of the Dzungars happened this way. The Qing Chinese simply chased away the Dzungar armies so they can get to the women and children, and started massacring or enslaving them or holding them hostage.

>>1626441
cool so what do you know about horse archer recurve bows. What else do you know about horse archers?

>>1626441
>not combined arms mongolian warfare
If mongols arent allowed to use siege weapons, walled cities aren't allowed to be garrisoned.
Gotta be purist about this shit.

>>1626026
really makes you think

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>>1626474
The Manchus themselves were horse archers you mong.

>>1627191
Nope.jpg.

Well, at the very start of things, but during their conquest of China, when they were BTFOd by Southern Ming guns, they switched to the style of warfare the Chinese practiced and started winning.

This is how the initially ethnic-based Banner System of the Manchus was ruined because they needed shitloads of Chinese cooperation.

In addition, their victory versus the Nomad hordes was largely won by having craploads of firearms and cannons.

>>1626441
>thread about horse archers
>talking about walled castles
good job m8 nice offthread

>Sir John Keegan noted the singular failure of the Mongols, and their fellow steppe conquerors, against Western European tactics:

>"[The Mongol armies], ferocious though they were, ultimately failed to translate their light cavalry power from the semi-temperate and desert regions where it flourished in to the high-rainfall zone of Western Europe. Whenever [they] encountered... peoples living by intensive agriculture, accumulating thereby food surpluses which enabled them to sustain campaigns longer than the foraging nomads ever could, and breeding on their rich grasslands horses which outmatched the nomad pony in battle, [they] had to admit defeat. Light cavalry conquerors were in time either forced back into the arid environment where nomadism flourished, as on the borders of Western Europe, or, as in China, corrupted by the softness of agricultural civilization and absorbed by it.",[29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe#Tactical_failure_against_Western_Europeans

>A significant number of important castles and towns in Hungary had also resisted the formidable and infamous Mongol siege tactics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe#End_of_the_Mongol_advance

>>1625839
no they were the best that's why every army in europe used them idiot

>>1627286
The Hungarians used walls to defeat horse archers?

This is ironic as fuck