Is there any way that the communists could have won the Cold War?

>>1607943
yes

no liberal reforms

>>1607943
If the neoliberal movement never really happened

>>1608039
Shit meme. Stalin completly fucked chinese relations in the ass and consequantly reduced communism to ooga booga gimme de land. Same shit with tito.

Not to mention he was very hesistant to even sell his allies his aircraft, meanwhile the u.s., the republican pussies, where in their face invading asian countries.

>>1607943
they would have had to exist first

>>1607943

They lost the second Stalin came into power.

Should have *in my opinion* been Trotsky.

>>1607943
Hard for Russia to compete with the Industrial juggernaut of the USA, which controls the entirety of North America, no matter how much of a Russiaboo I may be.

But hubris and complacency breed laziness and stagnation, as you see today the US with real enemy is collapsing on itself. Social strife doesn't seem to be getting better or heading in any direction but post-revolution Zimbabwe, with legal persecution of whites. The US Gov hasn't passed a major infrastructure rebuilding stimulus, which the country desperately needed years ago, not decades late.


I don't think the Soviets ever could've won the Cold War, they could only hope to outlive and wait for the supergiant to lose it's edge

>>1608052
>>1608061

I'm surprised that so many people blame Stalin. I thought he was the whole reason the USSR survived against the Nazis.

>>1607943
greek orthodoxy aligning to the vatican maybz

>>1608214
Nah Stalin was useless until he gave power over the military to actually competent generals. Similar problem Hitler had later on but failed to fix in time.

>>1608214
They almost lost becuase of him, he purged his military in the thirties and as a result many of the experienced officers that would have fought and held off the Nazis at the beginning of the invasion weren't alive.

The Wehrmacht should have never made it to Stalingrad in the first place.

>>1608228

But without Stalin's forced industrialization of Russia there would have been no way to produce tanks or ammunition to fight the Wehrmacht. As cruel as it was, Stalin saved the USSR from being slaughtered and occupied.

>>1607943
If america had collapsed due to internal unrest, however likely or unlikely that scenario is

>>1608228
Zhukov beats Japs in '39

beats Krauts in '45

Guy should have his own holiday

>>1608212
>infrastructure stimulus
>not a better gdp growth to trade defecit ratio
Democrat plz

>>1607943
The biggest problem the Soviet Onion created for itself is the hastily signing-up and consolidation of dozens of shithole banana republics and cheap despots to become part of the Onion, and forging them together into an Onion when they had little cultural loyalty and no idealogic loyalty at all. The USSR as a whole was never especially strong, or smart, or enterprising, outside of Russia. In hindsight, Russia could have done better by itself without the Bloc. As much as Stalin and Hitler hated each other, Stalin could have learned Hitler's lesson and not trusted the cheap poor Euro despots to complete his empire. What a surprisingly sudden disaster the USSR was. China has always been very very slow and careful with change, and they were smart to keep themselves away from Moscow's USSR business after the war.

The USSR held-on and was huge on the map, for awhile, but they never really had a chance to pervail culturally. It's a dark chapter in not only Russia's history but also Poland, Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, etc.

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>>1608251
Comrade!!

>>1607943
Not under Leonid Brezhnev and the era of stagnation.

Yes, if they didn't put the nuclear weapons in Cuba, it wouldn't have led to China losing faith in the USSR, thus not leading to the period of detente.
China and USSR would continue to build up together, whilst America would stay preoccupied with the Vietnam War finding it difficult to withdraw because of the increased tensions with both China and USSR.
The United States economy would continue to fall even more, as unlike our timeline they wouldn't have the valuable partner of China to improve their economy.

The USSRs economy would still most likely undergo a period of Stagnation however, but due to the Sino-Soviet split never happening in this timeline, this wouldn't be as big of a problem as now they have China as a financial partner.

>>1608052
>Stalin completly fucked chinese relations in the ass

This is bad why? Stalin was spot-on about CPC.

>>1608052
Nah Khrushchev fucked Sino relations in the ass

>>1607943
No Sino Soviet split

Don't bet involved in Afghandiland

Don't base your economy entirely on the price of oil

>>1607943
If JFK wasn't forced into acting by the senate and house, Khrushchev could have probably taken Berlin and made massive gains elsewhere.

I'm sure JFK wasn't the only weak president but he was probably the weakest, so just take everything you can while they flop.

Soviet economy was dependent on exporting gas to capitalist europe.

>>1611009
Krushchev didn't want to take Berline. The Wall was a retaliation for the Bay of Pigs.

>>1611028

The Wall was to prevent East Berliners from leaving East Berlin.

>>1607943
>Is there any way that the communists could have won the Cold War?
hahahahaha no
It was a shit economic system that only uneducated or naive teenagers still think could work

>>1608061
Kill yourself.

>>1608039

>implying the state run things weren't going down the shitter

There were literal black market middle men for every factory that actually had to get every factory what it needed because you'd have situations like the shoe making factory getting shit to make guns and vice versa

The USSR was fundamentally broken

>>1609278
China lost faith in the USSR because of destalinization though.

>>1607943
If all the capitalists in the world had spontaneously dropped dead, and even then it would be a coin toss as to whether infighting would ruin them anyways.

>>1608251
beating the Japs in a ground war, in your own territory, isn't an accomplishment.

Japs basically showed up with a WW1 army to a ww2 fight. Soviets had air power, armor, artillery. Japans had infantry and some artillery, almost no air.

>>1612252
The battle for Khalkin Gol from May-September saw the Japanese field over 400 aircraft with a 30% loss ratio

>>1609299
Severe all relations with the only other important communist nation/which also borders you

>>1611990
China lost faith because of Khruschevs "weakness" in backing down in the Cuban Missile crisis

>>1612749

So does that mean they wanted a nuclear war?

>>1609402
To be fair to the guy, this was during China's "Great Leap Forward" stage of magical thinking. When Russia is telling you to tone it the fuck down, you might just be Mao Tse Tung.