He killed 60 million people

Lots of youth will admire him for killing millions of people. That's what 4chan has taught me.

after 6 million nobody cares, just numbers

>>1606399
This.

Violence is the ultimate form of power, and humans instinctually worship power.

>a high level of discourse is expected

>>1606392
It's mostly the young american liberalgroup and teenagers who like wearing che t-shirts and fighting the man who admire him. Here in europe, everyone knows he was a shitty person as most of the dictators in the world.

>>1606392

Who cares? He never did me any wrong.

He's not a good guy, but 60 million is wrong

>defeated Hitler
>industrialised the Soviet Union
>crushed reactionary counter revolutionaries like the Cossacks
>spread revolution to Europe

He was pretty based.

>>1606392
evil actions? He got rid of corrupt people. People who were nothing but a waste of space.
He didn't just killed random people who born jews or gypsies like Hitler. No, he killed people that were a liability to the progress of the ussr society. It needed to be done.
There's a reason that various now russian bilionaires were in prison before the end of the USSR. Greedy people need to be vanished.

>>1606437
Hitler thought the people killed by his regime to be liabilities too.

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This fucker also basically gave Mao China.

>>1606437
>He didn't just killed random people who born jews or gypsies like Hitler
>He got rid of corrupt people

Gee, there sure were a lot of corrupt and useless people if tens of millions had to die.

>He killed 60 million people
/his/ - History memes

>>1606392
Kulaks aren't people /pol/tard

>>1606392
>he killed people
he made others kill people for him, he dindu kill them with his own hands

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>>1606465
Fuck off, commie.

>>1606392

Going to be honest, I learned about dictators in history.

I also learned of Soviet Russia under Stalins rule.

What surprises me is that no one seems to see the similarities between him and Hitler.

Don't worry OP, there are schools who are taught of Stalins cruelty and the failure of communism, as well as the failure of fascism.

>>1606392
You do realize that capitalism has killed more right? What about America who had killed millions more natives and Muslims? Or the British empire?

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>>1606392
Is that a challenge?

Also you don't deserve to call yourself a leftist if you can't call the middle guy and tell who he was.

>>1606435
>>defeated Hitler
With the help of all other superpowers.

>>1606507
>What surprises me is that no one seems to see the similarities between him and Hitler.

Like what? That they were evil dictators?

>>1606507
Well, the main problem with Stalin and Mao was this retarded idea of forced central planning and well, a shitton of people were doing useless work, and food was wasted. Most of the deaths came from this crazy economic plans.
While Hitler did not have total power over his country, even during Furher era, and he has well, at least there was some economic progress in Germany, and well there was a plan to kill the jews, while Mao and Stalin never explicitly said that they want to kill bazilion people.

>>1606392
How many motherfuckers in history have been capable of orchestrating the mass killing of humans?
I have no strong opinions of the man, except he pretty much broke the spine of German Army in WW2

>>1606459
>This fucker also basically gave Mao China.
No he didn't. He consistently tried working with Chiang. He honestly didn't think Mao could pull that shit off.

>>1606392

Stalin was great.

Khrushchev fucked it all up.

>>1606614
Communists hate Khrushchev because he was a revisionist.

Everyone else hated Khrushchev because he was a communist.

CONCLUSION:
Either be anti-revisionist or anti-communist, otherwise you will have no friends.
EX: Trotskyists

>>1606615
>Trusting Soviet official records

>>1606459
You're a moron. Consider the total population, also consider the fact that Stalin never really "believed" in idealist communism, like Lenin did. Go back to parliament-worshipping.

>>1606507
There are hardly any similarities you are just a brainwashed capitalcuck

>>1606392
>implying he could control the weather to stop famines
>implying kulaks didn't deserve it for hoarding food surplus

>>1606584

Aside from Hitler and Stalin, I'd go out on a limb and say Paul Pot

>>1606392
Look, Stalin was a terrible person, but he didn't kill 60 million people, okay?

>>1606702

>hardly any similarities

Both conducted mass purges of people who did not fit into the mould of their regime

Both had cults of personality

Both censored and controlled the media

Both were dictators

I could go on...

>>1606719
Spooked as shit. Fucking classcuck.

Why the fuck are there so many classcucks here. I'm going back to leftypol where we have real intellectual discussion

>>1606719
You are wrong on so many levels.

>>1606702
>ultimate political power lies with an unelected state security service
>little to no autonomy for individuals
>economy is leveraged almost entirely for state directed ends

Pretty much the same thing from a practical perspective, except the fascists don't drive down living standards as fast.

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>>1606722
bye

>>1606722
There are no serious leftists that actually defend Stalin. Please fuck off

>>1606708
He had the power to confiscate food, the power to allocate resources, the power to keep people from leaving.
Also "kulak" ended up as a word to refer to dissidents. You're a Holodomor denier
Furthermore, people were executed and worked to death. Holodomor wasn't the only atrocity in his rule.

>>1606726
1. Hitler was elected. Stalin got into power through conspiracies. Hitler did not have absolute power, and gave a lot of control to his ministers, while in USSR Stalin was well, purging.
2. >implying freedom exists.
3. Third Reich economy had a lot of free market elements in their economy, and well, if you were aryan educated person, you had so much freedoms, that you lived in fucking heaven on earth. Stalin centrally planned economy had potential for equality and doing great things, but sadly Stalin had very little knowledge on economy (in comparision with Lenin) and so some people died for useless tasks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga%E2%80%93Don_Canal
>>1606754
The Holodomor was another very badly executed central plan, and well, another fucking disaster.

>>1606763
>Hitler was elected

No he wasn't, you stupid faggot. He won a pluraity in a parliamentary election and was made Chancellor.

Learn to parliament, you uncultured swime.

>implying freedom exists
>le nirvana fallacy

>>1606774
I know, but being chosen Chancellor is part of democratic process.
As if they wouldn't elect them the chances of him becoming Chancellor would be much smaller.

>>1606763
>, if you were aryan educated person, you had so much freedoms, that you lived in fucking heaven on earth.
No, you didn't. You couldn't read unapproved books, newspapers, radio broadcasts, films, or publish any of those, and you still had to deal with shortages and scarcity of basic goods.

Here in Sweden we don't even get to read about the Soviets and their warcrimes desu. At least I never did all we got to read about was the ''ebil nazis''. Then again Sweden is a socialist country so I'm not really that surprised about it.

>>1606520
>capitalism has killed more

You're not going to post that image are you?

It's such bollocks

>>1606788
Being made party secretary is constitutional too. Stalin did that, and pulled the same set of moves Hitler did, just a decade earlier.

You don't get elected dictator. Because if it was a society that liked dictators, they would be a monarchy, not a democracy.

People should read Solzhenytsin.

>>1606800
Hitler did not kill Trotsky. And still Hitler wasn't a total power dictator.
>>1606794
Still much better than Ukrainian in 30s

>>1606815
>Hitler did not kill Trotsky

No, he killed Ernst Rohm, and every other political rival he had within Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

>And still Hitler wasn't a total power dictator

This is a totally meaningless sentence. He could and did have even the most powerful people in his country killed.

>Still much better than Ukrainian in 30s

And being a Ukrainian in the 30s beats being a Pole in the 40s.

>>1606723

Not an argument

>>1606838
K, maybe you are right

>>1606864
Huh.

That never happens.

I only have these arguments to increase my WPM and research random shit.

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>>1606392
Je vois que tu compte les morts causé par les Juifs Communistes au début du 20e siecle, sale Sioniste...

>muh 60 gorillion!

>>1606864
wait, what

>>1606722
>classcuck
Countries with best standard of living are capitalistic.

>>1606711
Accurate. But there have been tons and tons of leaders orchestrating mass murder. The killings in Indonesia, for example, as well as all the military dictators with their death squads in Central and South America (like Sombra Negra I think). I'm pretty sure their were state sanctioned death squads in Thailand as well

>>1606711
Is no one going to commentate on the fact this anon just called one of the worst dictators Paul?

Friendly reminder that R.J. Rummel was a neo-con loony.

http://rudyrummel.blogspot.ca/

>>1606653
>trusting ridiculously inflated figures by literally whos
It's like the fucking Japanese vs Chinese shitposting where the Nips claim there weren't even 40,000 people left in Nanjing to massacre and the Chinks insist that the Yangzi river was clogged with 4 million corpses

Just wanna throw this out there -- the Iraq War is an excellent shibboleth for assessing (without having to do any real reading) whether an apparently intelligent pundit is actually too dumb to live.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Courtois#Support_for_military_intervention_in_Afghanistan_and_Iraq

This is the time where teenagers who are very ignorant dumb fucks. They believe that communism is great and stalin was a hero for the masses they also believe that hitler should have won ww2 to bring prosperity to europe and the worst is they believe that japan is the victim of WW2. Internet really spawned an age of swagworldstar kids not knowing real history.

>>1606392
Gommunism has not killed anyone. You are wrong and brobably a Cossack faggot.

Hail Stalin

>>1606450
Yes but he ruined his country.

>>1606392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOnIp69r6vg

>>1607339
Standard of living is a spook.

>>1607828
If he's one of the worst dictators, why did I never learn about him in school?

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That's not true, Stalin killed 500 trillion people

Anyone who denies this fact is a NKVD executioner partisan terrorist

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>>1606653
>Conquest: The Soviet Records need to be released. As logistical records, they are unlikely to be effected by propaganda to make the USSR look better in the history books. They will likely confirm our figures.
>Soviet Archives opened
>Conquest: You can't trust the Soviet Archives, they were likely to have been propogandized and wouldn't show the actual numbers. Of course they wouldn't confirm our figures.

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>>1606711
>Paul Pot

>>1606392
>60 million

According to who? Less than a million people were executed during Stalin's thirty year reign, of any crime. 2 million died in the Gulag system, but these were mostly long-term prisoners who perished due to natural causes.

Why is this dude lumped together with Hitler when he literally saved the Soviet people from German annihilation?

Is it just bourgeois propaganda?

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>>1608423
> wouldn't show the actual numbers
This is true. Russians asspull the numbers like mangaka asspulls plot twists in battle shounen and it was even popurar practive in soviet times.

>>1606410
>This

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>>1606719
Both also made a non-aggression pact with a dictator similar to themselves

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>>1608543
The Soviets completely destroyed the Finnish Air Force, apparently twice, in the Winter war according to their figures. But somehow there were still Finnish planes left after the armistice.

>>1606653
Soviet official records are exceptional, mate.
They've had an extensive bureaucracy and tried to keep the track of everything. Because of soviet official records we know they made up some of the heroes during WW2 or the whole Stakhanovite movement. Their records are devoid of propaganda and there's no reason to believe that they would fudge the numbers for something that was never meant to be shown to the world.

>We can't trust Soviet sources they are probably biased
>We can trust every single Holocaust account though

Stalin did nothing wrong, kulaks deserved it

>>1606695
>killing off the equivalent to the enitre population of Britain is perfectly fine
>Stalin only believes what i say he believes because im in his head and all that

>>1609134
lmao Finland had like twenty planes and Soviets could not even get rid of those

>>1606392
Historical consensus is he is responsible for 6-9 million deaths. Most of which occured during the holodomor.

I thought this is a history board

>>1609443
Fucking kek,
>Historical consensus
a.k.a cold war propaganda

At most 1 million died in the gulags. Stalin had nothing to do with the Ukraine famine.

>>1609455
You have to add the shooting actions by the NKVD during the great purge. The "Polish" operation, the "kulak" operation etc, whic amount to close a million. Around a 1+ million excess deaths in the gulags. And some 3-4+ million during the famine in 1932-33, it was in fact man-made, but its debatable if it was intentional. I also think it was more a failure of economic coordination and the early central planning.

>>1609144
Liberals, man

>>1609520
But obviously not all gulag deaths were due to abuse

>be Ukrainian in the 1930s
>get told that you're now living in an equal society of workers
>but the comrades at the top think you're hiding something
>seize all your food, even your seed grain because Stalin thinks you're a Western agent
>if you complain you're a kulak and off to the gulag with you
>entire family starves
>put your children and wife down to spare them the suffering
>as your body catabolizes itself to death your last wish is that your suffering is never forgotten

>80 years later fat and spoiled comfortable middle class 16 year old Americans laugh at your pain and call it fake

>>1609594
This.

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>>1606459
Fuck no.

Stalin feared a China united under communism. This would mean communism would have a second head instead of the USSR. The greatest amount of support he gave Mao was a bunch of captured German weapons and moral cheearleading.

For all their message about MUH INTERNATIONALE communist states suspected each other. Especially Nonwhite ones because they saw in USSR domination a Colonialism 2.0. Which is EXACTLY what the average Chink pleb thought of all those Technocrats were.

Stalin wanted a China divided between Commies and Nationalists. A unified China was a problem to the USSR in the Stalinist worldview. Unified under Chiang, that would mean sharing a vast border with an ANti-Communist State. Unified under the PRC, a second, potentially powerful & influential communist state.

>>1609455
You're an idiot.

>>1609879
Well argued friend, you twisted my arm!

>>1609520
>it was in fact man-made, but its debatable if it was intentional

That Soviet weather machine strikes again! The declassified letters show they had no idea what was going on until too late, there was a failure at local level to report the extent of the situation. Ukraine Nationalists have been milking the famine ever since while ignoring their very real Volhynia massacre.

>>1609877
>Stalin wanted a China divided between Commies and Nationalists

What on earth? Proof or sources please.

>>1609950
Read >>1606754 to reflect on the idiocy of your post.

>>1609965
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_split#Origins

Stalin wanted Mao to not take in charge of China and make peace with Chiang Kai-Shek after WWII. Mao seemingly agreed until ideological differences (i.e. Communism is European and wont apply directly if copy-pasted to China/Asia) and nationalist sentiments (i.e. I FUCKING JOINED THE REVOLUTION TO DRIVE OUT FOREIGNERS, NOT FIGHT FOR THEM) meant that Chinks began disobeying Soviet wishes.

>>1606754
>>the power to keep people from leaving.

Allowing people to leave would have put pressure on the surrounding regions, more people would have died. It was a bad harvest all over, it was the correct move.

>>the power to allocate resources

Once the extent of the famine was realised they did allocate food and they cut grain exports.

>The Political Bureau believes that shortage of seed grain in Ukraine is many times worse than what was described in comrade Kosior’s telegram; therefore, the Political Bureau recommends the Central Committee of the Communist party of Ukraine to take all measures within its reach to prevent the threat of failing to sow [field crops] in Ukraine.

>Signed: Secretary of the Central Committee – J. STALIN March 16th, 1932.

>>He had the power to confiscate food

Food was collectivised not confiscated. To not collectivise would have also caused deaths. Poor peasants died every year because they had no food but I guess they didn't pull up their bootstraps. Famines occurred every 2-3 years under the Tsars and the Bolsheviks did what they could. To imply Holodomor was an intentional genocide is not back up by any historical facts

>>1606754
>Also "kulak" ended up as a word to refer to dissidents.

Not at all. There were peasant protests but that was about 5% of the population and most were settled via the OGPU Ukrainian police. There was no significant peasant opposition or dissidents. Collectivisation and heavy industrialisation was a success that modernised Ukrainian farming.

Stalin was much more efficient than Hitler, and I say this as a Conservative. That doesn’t mean his actions were ethical.

>>1608405
this. stalin killed million billion trillion people
/thread

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>>1606864
holy shit did he just

What the fuck mean "slava ukraine gerojam slava".My russian frend joke about it a lot.

>>1607828

RON POL 1975

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>>1609594
So, basically another version of this?

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>>1609877
Stalin funded the chink commie party with massive amounts of money and weapons and ensured it and Mao's survival. Without that funding the CCP would not have survived. He refused to give the order to fire Mao out of the party even when Wang Ming and many others wanted him out. Without Stalin's support few would know of him today.

>>1613659
Well about the weapons i'm not that sure, but hundreds of thousands of rubles per month anyway.

>>1613631
>Soviet official data

>>1606864
what the hell

>>1606763
so fucking wrong

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>>1606437
>No, he killed people that were a liability to the progress of the ussr society.
>mfw

>>1608423
>soviet logistics were trustworthy
Good comrade. BTW did you read how we exceeded production targets for the 5th time in row?
Thanks to glorious socialism our economy is of truly prospering.

>>1606615
>mixing up total number of GULAG prisoners and death count
can't make this shit up

>>1614691
>Trying to reason with Sovietboos

>>1606392
>People admire Stalin
Right wingers are the only people who think this

>>1615447
Right-wing Russians are the main people who admire Stalin these days

>>1614691
I'm not sure if you know this but the argument that None Public Logistical Records of the Soviet Union would be reliable is the argument that people like Robert Conquest made for the opening of the Soviet Archives. They believed that because the Archives were none public, they would contain actual or close to actual data, since it doesn't sense to significantly inflate or deflate numbers in records the public would never see.

It was only after the Archives were opened and didn't confirm their figures that they backpedaled on this.

>>1613916
Your right, instead we should take the population growth from one year, extrapolate that growth across a decade, and then mark any difference as being the result of mass executions.

>>1615447
What are tankies?

>>1606392
I hate when this guy nuked two fucking cities in Japan killing shitons of civilians who did nothing against him. fucking monsters of mankind

>>1615990
Robert Conquest is such a fucking joke

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This man has directly influenced people to kill and torture n his name, as well as to oppress others in varying ways. And there are people who not only admire him, but worship him.

>>1606435
>defeated Hitler
>With American Lend Lease that was never repaid.
>industrialized the Soviet Union
>By starving the Ukrainian region.
>crushed reactionary counter revolutionaries like the Cossacks
>Because he could not allow anyone not 100% in his vision to exist out of paranoid fear.
>spread revolution to Europe
>To the lesser half of Germany, every nation he spread the revolution to was ruined economically.

but most of them were not jews so who cares

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>people

>>1606864
Respect.

>>1606435
>spread revolution to Europe
filthy commies get out.

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>>1606392
>He killed 60 million people
No, He got 60 million people killed.
Theres a difference!

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>>1606392
simple chart

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>>1606615

>>1606392
Stalin proved that starvation truely is the best way to mass murder people.

>>1609144
We can't trust either.

>>1616534
You naturally do not trust anyone, because your life is - a lie. You meet people every day with a fake grin stretched. How do you know where the truth and a lie?

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>>1616525
Stalin proved that the so-called 'saviors starving' themselves cannibals.

Hitler - it was Jesus who wanted to save starving people from the evil of Stalin.
And Stalin - is Pontius Pilate, who condemned Hitler.

>>1607847
>http://rudyrummel.blogspot.ca/
"With so many serious dangers to our democracy – Obama’s far left socialists, a possible leftist coup, an EMP attack, global islamofascism" - R.J. Rummel, 2009

kek

>>1608543
>>1614691
>>1615990

The Russians must still be hiding the reports about the truckloads of Ukrainian orphans the NKVD would deliver to Stalin each Wednesday so he could personally slit their throats.

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>>1613659
Wrong.

His financial aid to the Chinks are ludicrous (Postwar Soviets. Financial Aid. Kek). And all he sent by way of support were captured German Weapons (which were so few in number to arm the CCP). Jesus Christ, there were more American and Japanese weapons in the hands of the CCP Armies than Russian-given ones.

The CCP won because of the Postwar imbalance that Japan's invasion produced (who fought the KMT most of the time), and the fact that the Nationalists shot up their political support by being dicks to peasantry.

Again, Stalin did not like a unified China.

kulaks deserved it

>>1615990
Nigga, go read up on the kind of bullshit the soviets pulled, like >>1614662

The entire societ system was a fucking joke and there are no records to prove or disprove anything, because 90% of the economy was based on ideology and wishful thinking.

>>1615990
Fallacious.

>>1606392
>60 million
>he killed almost a HALF of his own population
you are literally retarded. he """"killed"""" less than 10 million

>>1606392
Kill a person and you will be in a box for 10-25 years.

Kill a couple of people, you will die as a reviled wretch with no chance of getting out of prison.

Kill tens to a few hundred people and you wil be strapped into a padded jacket and put in a cell with one way mirrors while lab coats debate if they should give you some new "therapy" they just came up with.

Kill thousands to millions and your name will be immortalized and loved by the people, or you'll be sent to hang by a court. The only difference being that one of these fates is reserved for winners and the other for losers.

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>>1617080
>The entire societ system was a fucking joke and there are no records to prove or disprove anything, because 90% of the economy was based on ideology and wishful thinking.

Guys like Conquest, Courtois and Rummel thought that the Soviet archives would vindicate their "Communist Body Counts" but failed to do so.

The Holocaust was real and the fascists that the western world so enthusiastically embraced definitely were worse than the Soviets.

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>>1617080
Lysenko far more associated with Khrushchev than Stalin, they post lost their position at exactly the same time in 1964.

Stalin died a month before the double helix was discovered and he said of Lysenko:

>>In 1940, Lysenko became Director of the Institute of Genetics within the USSR Academy of Sciences, where he used his political influence and power to dismiss Mendelian genetics as “bourgeois science” and “pseudoscience”. Yet, even Stalin was not convinced of Lysenko's scientific and political claims. Stalin removed all mention of “bourgeois biology” from Lysenko's report, The State of Biology in the Soviet Union, and in the margin next to the statement that “any science is based on class” Stalin wrote, “Ha-ha-ha!! And what about mathematics? Or Darwinism?”


>The entire societ system was a fucking joke and there are no records to prove or disprove anything, because 90% of the economy was based on ideology and wishful thinking.
>there are no records to prove or disprove anything,

MY GOTT! This is ideology at it's purest! You're not just eating from the trash can, you dived in head first!

>>1618265
>The Holocaust was real and the fascists that the western world so enthusiastically embraced definitely were worse than the Soviets.
[citation very needed]

>>1617484
Source for your statement?

>>1617619
UPVOTEEEEEEEEEEE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>1606399
Only the most hardcore leftists (as in the ones who actually call themselves communists) have the nerve to admire Stalin, shit he is actually so hated that most left wing people make a difference between (ideal) communism and stalinism (akin to nazism and fascism).

>>1606392
i have a shrine to him and pray tom him before going to bed.
t. soviet bloc resident

>>1620855
Most western leftists trace their lineage back to Trotsky, the only people who like Stalin are right wing and eurasianist Russians trying to be edgy.

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The dude killed 60 million people, WW2 killed 20 million more and despite all that the population had increased by 40 million by the time of his death. Those russians breed like rabbits!

>>1623655
Can you source such statement?

>>1623554
>Trotsky

>>1606392
That's right he killed 600 Billion people with scarce sources and images in less than 20 years because Porky says so

>>1623853
Go fuck yourself Capitalist scum, you will starve in gulag when we drag you naked to it.

>>1607828
I'm inclined to blame the spell Czecher for that.

>>1608414
If you add up all the never-born descendants of the people who were killed, I suppose 500T might be possible.