>germany dindu nuffin

>>1604460
Hungary deserved that territory, but Germany didn't

>>1604467
t. Hungarian nationalist

Bohemia was like Germany's Kosovo, an integral part of their nation whose inhabitants happened to speak a different language (most of them at least).

Shitty map. Slovakia wasn't annexed by Germany, it was turned into a dependary state, and it should include the land taken by Poland even if tiny.

>>1604539
It had never been a part of Germany before that.

>>1604539
>Bohemia was like Germany's Kosovo

t. German nationalist

>>1604547
>It had never been a part of Germany before that

>Holy
>Roman
>Empire

>>1604552
Then it either was a independent kingdom that for some time even had the emperor title itself or run by Austria, which makes it as integral as Croatia and Hungary.

>>1604460

WU WUZ HOLY ROMAN EMPERORS AN SHIET

>>1604547
HRE and German confederation.

>>1604539
Kosovo is 99% albanian. In fact Kosovo is more albanian than actual Albania. Kosovo is actually probably the most ethnically homogeneous country in the world.

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>>1604563
So Slovenia is an integral part of Germany?

>>1604558

yeap, also Bohemia was the only kingdom in HRE (not counting honorary title of the king of Rome). That's why Habsburggers craved for the title and lands...

>>1604567

you know, nobody wants to have albanians as neighbours, just saying

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>its a "my ancestors could beat up your ancestors" thread

Is it the "Germany is keeping us poot oppressed slavs down"-poster again? Sure looks like it.

>>1604573
Then stop parroting how Kosovo is rightful serbian clay, when Kosovo is the single country on the planet with the least serbian diaspora in it.
There are more serbs in fucking Japan.

>>1604572
So if it's so integral, why then did the German empire ignore it?

>>1604568

Bohemia was central to Germany while Slovenia was peripheral. But one could also argue that, yeah

>>1604577

yeah sure, and Kreutzberg is part of Istanbul...

>>1604579

too soon for german empire, like 300 years or so

however, in the times of interregnum, almost everybody wanted their family member on the bohemian throne - bavaria, brandenburg, pfaltz...

>>1604586
When does a claim expire? Is the Netherlands a rightful part of Germany because of the HRE?

>>1604596

that's why germany is in eu

>>1604595
Sorry for being fucking dumb but what do you mean with "too soon"?

>>1604547
>>1604563

Additionally, it had a large German population (more than one third) not only in the border areas but also in the cities of inner Bohemia.

>>1604552
Sorry to go full Voltaire but the HRE was hardly a country, more like a bunch of constantly quarreling duchies and princedoms with a figurehead emperor and three competing currencies. Literally the fucking eurozone is more of a country than HRE was.

>>1604601
He means using video game logic to rationalize chauvinism.

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>>1604598
So now all of the EU is rightful German land?

>>1604567
This wasn't always the case, they literally drove away other ethnicities. It's as if you get a wave of germanic immigrants to Poznan, force the former population to move and call it German. Kinda like the Germans tried to do

>>1604601

probably terminological issue here - HRE could not be considered german at all until like 1620... and german empire afaik started in 1871

>>1604596
I spoke in past tense. I also didn't say the annexation was justified, I just maintained that the situation was similar to Kosovo. As for the Netherlands, for the longer time they were part of the HRE only by name, they barely participated in its politics and its withdrawal in 1648 was seen as natural. The situation is different to Bohemia

>>1604577
That's literally false.

Like not even a matter of opinion or interpretation, just objectively, statistically, factually false.

There are 120,000 Serbs in Kosovo (so just under 5% of the population), while there is a statistically insignificant number of Serbs living in Japan.

Not to mention that there were substantially more Kosovo Serbs before the expulsions in World War II, 1999 and 2004 and the WWII and Cold War era Albanian migrations to the region (Serbs were a full third of the population in 1931, for example, so you can't say that they've had no or even minor presence in the area since losing their country in the Middle Ages, which is a common and incorrect statement).

You're either very biased Albanian diaspora or just severely uneducated on the matter.

>>1604620
Nobody gives a shit who lived there a generation ago. No serbians live there now, so saying its serbian clay is retarded.
Using similar logic all of Serbia belongs to Italy, or Turkey, or Bulgaria, or Greece.

>>1604624
>we used to live there A HUNDRED YEARS AGO

Nobody gives a shit, inbred fuck. You don't live there now. Stop claiming other people's land. Nobody wants you in Kosovo. Nobody wants you anywhere.

>>1604628
>Turks live in Gelsenkitchen so it should be annexed by Turkey

>>1604622
I were talking about the later German empire of 1871 that chose ignore Bohemia.

>>1604460
>doesn't show the slice of Slovakia that Poland took
Funny how that always gets left out

>>1604636
Dindu muffin.

>>1604632
>Albanians calling someone inbred
>Literally the highest rates of inbred in Europe

>have no actual argument
>resort to insults and name calling

Even /his/ deserves a higher level of discourse.

"Stop claiming other people's land" is an odd phrase. By what right is any land someone's? Historical reasons, legal reasons, political reasons? You can't just say "because I say so".

Look at this situation - Texas is majority American now, right? But it's on the border with Mexico. Over a period of 50 or so years (so less than two generations), hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Mexicans move to Texas. Eventually, they vote to secede from the US and say that Americans aren't welcome in Texas. Just logically speaking, does that seem at all fair to you?

>>1604636
Don't really fit the general agenda of things.
And at least Poland only took Polish-majority areas,

>>1604628
>>1604628
The people who were forced out might give a shit desu

And there's a difference in validity of territorial claims between "our people lived there for centuries" and "we conquered this territory for political or economic reasons, but it never integrated socially and culturally". West Germany had a strong claim to East Germany, but Britain today would have zero claim over Egypt or Kenya.

>>1604634

ok, at the time, bohemia was already controlled by habsburgs, but still being important - 10 years before prussia waged war on austria to get al least silesia, which was part of the czech lands

As for how the status of Bohemia was seen by Germans in the Middle Ages, have a text from the Nuremberg Chronicle:

>The Bohemians, a mighty and noble people, are the only foreigners located in the German domain; but they call themselves subjects of the German empire. Among the electors of the Empire their king is the most distinguished.

http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=nur;cc=nur;rgn=div2;view=text;idno=nur.001.0004;node=nur.001.0004%3A11.2

So while they are foreigners (as in speaking a foreign tongue), the kingdom is nevertheless seen as a very important part of the whole thing.

>>1604628
Tell that to the people who were literally forced out

>>1604645
Look at this situation - Kosovo is full of Albanians, who speak Albanian, and want to be part of Albania.
The only reason the two countries haven't united is because Macedonia is shitting its pants at the thought of it, since there are also Albanians who want to be part of Albania in its western part.

If there was any justice in the world and land was divided based on who lives there and what the people living there want, Albania would be three times its size.

>>1604645
Ironically that's how Texas seceded from Mexico to begin with

>>1604648
Wasn't that in the seven years war, which occurred about a hundred years earlier?
Maybe you just missed a "0", happens everyone.

>>1604653
But you're ignoring how it got to that situation in the first place. Compare to twenty or fifty or a hundred years ago, Kosovo was not as full of Albanian, and was far more full of non-Albanians, mostly Serbs.

I don't see it as justice if a group migrates and then takes over the area and claims sovereignty by essentially right of conquest. I see it as what the European far-right is afraid of happening in Europe nowadays with the refugee crisis, only it's already happened.

Where is the justice for the people who fled or were pushed out? Or do they not matter in your Greater Albanian vision?

>>1604659
>I don't see it as justice if a group migrates and then takes over the area and claims sovereignty by essentially right of conquest.

Literally the example you gave - Texas.
Sounds to me you are preaching Serbian exceptionalism, which is by default wrong, since not only is exceptionalism wrong, it is a right reserved to those with the power to defend it.

>>1604658

sure, thanks for correction

...and there was also a war of 1866, which confirmed permanent secession of silesia (just came to my mind)

>>1604685
Isn't that war mostly famous for leading to the North German confederation being formed?

>>1604697

exactly... there were two concepts of a german national state - lesser and greater (with austria) - austria didn't want to join because of habsburgs and all the ethnicities in their empire, which would just cause too much trouble in a national state (austria-hugary was basically multi-culti state of its time)

>align yourself with Germany's enemies
>get mad when Germany treats you like an enemy

>>1604726
>1939
>Germany's enemies

Europe was at peace at the time.

>>1604646
Poland took stuff what Czechoslovakia stole when Poland was busy fighting for survival against Soviets.

But also this was worst move what Poland could do in this situation.

>>1604726
>be assburger German
>see everyone as an enemy

>>1604822
Grzegorz Szczdzvsvbzdgznfzndzbzzsgvszvszcz detected

>>1604596
It's actually the other way around.

>>1604652
any article/source about the non-albanians being forced out?

>>1604822
This.

It was rightful Polish clay.

>>1604822
>when Poland was busy fighting for survival against Soviets.
hmmm
Poland–Czechoslovakia war
January 23–30, 1919

Polish–Soviet War
February 1919 – March 1921

>>1605021
>Orava

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as ops map is, but dogger check. keep austria. definitely keep hun, but segmented, keep the ethnopurity. and take all the shore line of course to prussia and then up to the old extensions of the teutonic templars realm. stop short of finn. nien. scrap that. take all the way to st petersberg,eventually. but not before you have the excess resources to do so. from the union of prussia-germany-austria-hungard you have the nexus of the greater deutch reich. from this stage netherlands & denmark ie the jutlund becomes tributory states of the succession. you trade through the old byzantine routes to africa and the east,near mid and far. you export intellectualism, knowledge, education, and create a greater manufacturing industry with suitable primary agriculture. and trade on the surplus. long term like 1950 first, take no furth lands then the innitial core. by 50 ull have denmark and netherlands, trade through habs-otto and so on with a respectable navy sitting in dry docks. build the military. think of sparta but a much greater population, fuck bavaria. it feels right. scour the oceans and drain the lakes. export the rubbish. once nederland & jutland are subservient the english become placated in the same timeframe their colonisation runs out of steam. asia & the steppe, india, and africa can trade forever. dont give italy so much attention. ignore swis and french. through marriage and manipulation from the next generation fo planted intelligence scandanavia falls placated, finish the connections to finnland, as far as st peters berg with the tank ETC MANUFAC. take the finance from britain in this period likewise, america can trade, if it wants, by this point. english is the second language, from this in the next 80 years u start creating a new hybrid language between the two. tight borders. tight succession to leadership. all the old crowns will invest/jump ship. it wont be a problem. by 2000 uve overtaken usa without slavery (in ur borders)
hussars swiss & finn=mercs

>>1605021
>rightful Polish clay
???

Poland as a state moved west only and only to make sure Germany remains weak once and for all.
And the joke is that fifteen years ago Germany paid the billions to the USSR and gave the mark as a hostage to France and still managed to gain much of its territory back, and is still strong.

>>1605025
Soviet offensive started much earlier.
>>1605066
And your point is?

>>1605025

Clashes with Bolsheviks started much earlier. The February 1919 starting date is just when things started to get really hot. Still, everyone was anticipating what has been brewing for a time and Poland was sending troops to the east since the very beginning of independence.

>>1604646
>>1604822
>>1605021
>it's not okay when Germany and Hungary takes their majority lands
>but it's okay when Poland does it
My curiosity is furthered: Why are there so many fucking Polacks on this board? Shouldn't you be squatting, eating Pierogi, and begging people to invest in Eastern Poland?

>>1606686
>>1604829

I said it was bad move.
Go back /int/ with your nation shitpost you illiterate morons

>>1605066
That was about Zaolzie, not Ziemie Odzyskane

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>>1604539
>>1604539
This. OP is an illiterate retard germanophobe who conveniently ignores the fact that "czechoslovakia" was an artifical meme counstruct from the criminals who penned Versailles.

And like Trianon it was intended by the allies to sow the seed for perpetual bickering and war between central+eastern european nations so that Britain+US hegemony would not be threatened in the future to come.

There never was a "czechoslovak" """"nation""" and there never will be.

Also, the allies intended to use """czechoslovakia"" as a giant aircraft carrier for their planes in their planned future war of agression against Germany. The Reich government was well aware of this fact (Hitler even mentioned it in one of his speeches) which is why it acted swiftly, decisively and justly in 1939.

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>>1606989

>>1607096
Damn nice argument

>>1607096
Not an argument.

>>1606989
kek

>>1606989
wew lad

ITT: "Might makes right, yet subjugation is wrong"

Which one is it then?

>>1606989
>the allies intended to use """czechoslovakia"" as a giant aircraft carrier
Any truth to that claim?

Germany didn't annex all of Czechslovakia. They annexed the German speaking parts. Then the other parts were made into a Protectorate.

>>1607731
Czechoslovakia wasn't just Czechia. Carpathian Ruthenia went to Hungary and Slovakia became independent

>>1606989
How many layers of autism are you on

>>1607731
>Then the other parts were made into a Protectorate.
That produced weapons for Third Reich with their big industry.

It became part of Turd Reich whether you like it or not.

>>1606989
Czechoslovakia wasn't any more of an artificial meme than Germanoaustria or hell, Germany.