Tell me about the russian civil war

funny how soldiers adopted heroic poses for the camera

>>1598442
>Liberal revolution
>"stop war"
>"no lol, offensive"
>terrible casualties
>gommie uprise

>>1598442

Lenin really was a piece of shit coward. He would go to St. Petersburg, get everyone all stirred up, and then run away to his mansion in Finland when shit hit the fan.

Who exactly were the whites?

There were tensions of previously independent groups being ruled under the Czars ever since becoming a united Russia. The fact that they could call up conscripts from across the borders they defined, or in other words, foricbly to get thrown into a war probably didn't sit well either.

Then these cunning Prussians use new fangled technology of railroads to destroy two entire Russian armies with their one... Well, I guess that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

>>1598442
Was slightly better than being shipped off to fight WWI with shit equipment and no gas masks.

Sick-looking armoured trains

https://warisboring.com/a-remarkable-armored-train-fought-its-way-across-eurasia-db3e3180b50c#.1zbmroac7

>>1598557
> ywn cross the steppes securing all the transiberian key stations

>>1598557
thanks I love train warfare stuff

>>1598442
Does anyone have any information on Americans that were involved in the Revolutions/Civil War? Particularly any that were involved on the Red side as I am aware of AEF Siberia that was sent to fight for the Whites.

>>1598633

I vaguely remember that Japan invaded Siberia at the time, but they really didn't do much and the pussy parliament decided to withdraw.

>>1598494
A loose coalition of anti-bolshevik forces.

>>1598633

There is a lot of stuff written about American business in the interwar years and how they helped set up factories and industry, especially automotive.

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>>1598442
Belaja armija, chiornyj baron
Snova gotoviat nam tsarskij tron,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03njYn7fkGA

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I have some pictures of it!
Makhno did nothing wrong and Trotsky is a tyrant.
Kronstadt never forget!

>>1598494
Entente sponsored anti-communist forces, mostly fighting for restoration of the Empire
>b-but it's commie propaganda! They were honorable warriors, not sellouts!
Where were those patriots of the Empire when Kerensky was fucking everything up, losing colonies and being a retard? For some reason they only decided to act after Soviet Union refused to pay the debts of the Russian Empire and Entente got really pissed at them.

>>1599744
>It was all a capitalist conspiracy!

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>>1599364
>Makhno did nothing wrong
GOD BLESS MAKHNO

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>>1599846
GOD BLESS THE BLACK ARMY

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>>1599848
GOD BLESS FREE UKRAINE

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>>1599850
I COULD MAKHNO ALL DAY

>>1599796
Far from it, Entente forces didn't shy away from invading Soviet Union themselves during that period and they used white forces as mercenaries. Conspiracy is a wrong word for simply wanting their money back and taking open actions to reach that goal.

>>1599744
>Where were those patriots of the Empire when Kerensky was fucking everything up, losing colonies and being a retard?

Kornilov and Denikin tried to topple Kerensky, that's literally how the White Army in the South started out - they were imprisoned together, then escaped, then went to the cossacks where volunteers started flocking to them.

The Siberian government that fought against the Bolsheviks was initially dominated by Socialist Revolutionists and Constitutional Democrats, so both groups that supported the republican government. Kolchak took power in a coup against them.

In general, tsarist officers didn't consider it proper to engage in politics. When the tsar abdicated and the republic was proclaimed, it had the appearance of legality - to contest it would be politics. But the bolshevik coup that used violence, and in the eyes of propaganda was a Jewish plot sponsored by Germans, was a whole different thing. Then of course the biggest escalation of the war was after the tsar was murdered.

>>1599861
>>1599848
Literally who?

>>1598657
>A loose coalition

More like a sandbox general term.

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The reds were lead by jewish bolshevists (bad guys) and the white army was lead by redpilled patriots (good guys)

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>>1598442
The Black Army was nice

Hello this is a quote from no other than pic related

"Depravity of revolution!... Has anyone ever thought of it besides the french philosopher, Bergson, and the most learned Tashi Lama in Tibet?"

"In the buddhistic and ancient christian books we read stern predictions about the time when the war between the good and evil spirits must begin. Then there must come the unknown "Curse" whoch will conquer the world, blot out culture, kill morality and destroy all the people. Its weapon is revolution.

During every revolution the previously experienced intellect-creator will be replaced by the new rough force of the destroyer. He will place and hold the first rank the lower instincts and desires. Man will be farther removed from the divine and the spiritual. The great war proved that humanity must progress upward towards higher ideals; but then appeared that curse which was seen and felt by Christ, the apostle John, Buddha, the first christian martyrs, Dante, Leonardo Da Vinci, Goethe and Dostoevsky.

It appeared, turned back the wheel of progress and blocked our road to the Divinity. Revolution is an infectious disease and Europe making the treaty with Moscow deceived itself and the other parts of the world. The Great spirit put at the threshold of our lives Karma, who knows neither anger nor pardon. He will reckon of honor and of spirit, the death of states and the death of peoples. I see already this horror, this dark, mad destruction of humanity."

He was the real good guy of the civil war, Makhno is a glorified Ukrainian bandit

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>>1601839
pic related

>>1599346
this desu

>>1598442
Death of the czar and his daughters

>>1601839
you like edgelords, we get it

>>1601839
wise words from a madman

>>1601786
10/10 leader, would follow

>>1599848
Nazism didn't even exist in 1918.

>>1598507
Can someone confirm or deny?

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>>1603794
it certainly exists in ukraine now though

>>1601839
>capture two months into his offensive
lol

>>1598442
The whites should have won desu

Fine, the current tsar was inept, and his autocracy was a bad thing. But the Reds were worse in almost every single way.

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>>1598442
It was neither civil or a war.

>>1598494
Not white.

>>1598442
Bad guys won

>>1600772
Basically a badass anarchist leader and a meme of CivWar.
Black army flag literally spells "DEATH" on it.

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a classic civil war with no complications
pix related

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Bolshevik jews happened

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Greens>everyone else

Prove me wrong.

>>1606541
>calling the tsarists good just to be a contrarian

>>1606743
Not him but the tzarists were comparatively better than bolsheviks, not necessarily good per se.

>contrarian

Pretty sure that the western consensus is that communism was evil, it's you who's being contrarian here.

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>>1606743
>Disliking the communists is contrarian

>>1606752
>>1606780
The Tsarists caused communism to happen though.

>>1606752
How was it better? Russia was one of the most undeveloped countries in Europe. Nicholas was asking for a revolution.

>>1606826
It was actually growing rapidly at the time WW1 broke out.

That was one of the reasons Germany went to war, they wanted to beat Russia before they grew more powerful than Germany.

If only they knew how successful they would be in preventing Russia from developing.

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>>1606787

>>1606840
Why didn't communism happen in Germany, or the UK, or France, or Turkey?

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>>1606787
And i guess the people responsible for the rise of tzarist Russia is also responsible for the communist revolution.
And dont forget the mongols, they aided in the creation of tzarist Russia even though they didnt mean to.
And the Rus.
And the viking settlers.


Nah son, the bolsheviks where horrible people. Liking them is contrarian. Not the opposite

>>1606855
He never said he liked Communists. The very fact that he blamed the Tsar for Communism seems to indicate that.

And he has a point. Peter Durnovo fucking told the Tsar in 1914:

>The trouble will start with the blaming of the Government for all disasters. In the legislative institutions a bitter campaign against the Government will begin, followed by revolutionary agitations throughout the country, with Socialist slogans, capable of arousing and rallying the masses, beginning with the division of the land and succeeded by a division of all valuables and property. The defeated army, having lost its most dependable men, and carried away by the tide of primitive peasant desire for land, will find itself too demoralized to serve as a bulwark of law and order. The legislative institutions and the intellectual opposition parties, lacking real authority in the eyes of the people, will be powerless to stem the popular tide, aroused by themselves, and Russia will be flung into hopeless anarchy.

Did the Tsar listen, or did he decide his war was worth Bolshevism?

>>1606843

It did happen in Germany, they just beat them and shot their leaders.

Didn't happen in the UK/France because they had stable governments, Turkey already had a revolutionary force in the form of the Young Turks who were leading the country for years prior to WW1. It also happened in Finland, but the Whites won and shot all the commies. And in Hungary. And in Spain, south east Asia, the Balkans, Ethiopia + most of Africa, etc.

Why did Communists succeed in China, Vietnam, Cuba,

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Denikin 4 life

>>1606885
Because those countries had entrenched aristocracies, weak states, and poor public services.

>>1606886
Denikin was pretty badass.

>hated the communists and Jews like nothing else
>still told Hitler to go fuck himself when he seeked his support since he didn't want Russia to become someone's bitch