Was Hirohito the least shit out of the axis leaders? Not like

>>1598361
He was the shortest.

>>1598361
He was not a leader, he was a puppet.

>>1598361
Idk but those are some big medals so he must have been a good guy, and a sharp outfit too

>>1598363

others historians say he still had a good deal of control over military affairs including the war crimes

Admiral Horthy was the least shit of the Axis powers, in fact he only participated to keep Hungary from complete and utter destruction and was pragmatic and level headed about every decision.

>>1598372
Yeah? Well those "other historians" are fucking retarded and have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

He was a figurehead. The military had taken over the civilian government and made the Emperor all but powerless, well before Pearl Harbor.

>>1598361
lel, he was a figurehead and the actual leaders were by and large fucking terrible
the fact that they even willingly went to war with the US in the first place should tell you everything you need to know

>>1598363
Eh, if were talking about Axis leaders then yea. If we are talking about the long run its different. The guy saw japan bombed to oblivion, then rise from the ashes as the worlds 4th/5th major economy.

>>1598661
The navy and army fought each other almost as much as the enemy.

The admirals and generals were not very forward thinking. If it worked before, it'll work again. Even when Yamamoto and others that had been in the USA, told them otherwise.

>Almost assassinated as kid.
>Top brass thinks it's a good idea to lock him up until he's an adult for safety.
>Comes out with no social skills or how-to-politics.
>Lets rebellious lower-army officers take over government.
>Second Sino-Japanese War, eight years later, only country in the world nuked twice.

He was the figurehead of Japan, and a lot of the army waltzed into WWII under the impression that it was "for their emperor." He might not have had much official government power, but if was raised with some balls he might've been able to use his political influence to maybe change their minds.

But I don't know. I really think Hitler was the least-crappy, of them all.

>>1598667
But consider Japan's position at the time - the country was, as always, resource poor, especially being in the process of industrialization.

Do you really think the leaders would seek to attack the US completely unprovoked?

In order to succeed in its geopolitical objectives, Japan had to follow an imperialist path to obtain the resources it needed to self-sustain and then expand. This clashed with US objectives, so we imposed an oil embargo.

This forced Japan into a predicament - either attack British and Dutch holdings in the pacific to get oil (and by extension, declare war on the US), or give up their gains. We know which path they chose, and they ended up losing that gamble.

>>1598664
He is also talking about abdicating. Truly a humble man.

>>1598697
If he did, would he be the first emperor to do so?

>>1598701
Abdication was commonplace in Japan, with one leader stepping down in favor of another. It happened all over the world.

Abdicating to no one though? That could be argued to be something which has never happened. Nations usually split from the monarchs (America).

>>1598362
Actually I think that title goes to King Victor Emmanuel III of Italy, he was literally only 5ft tall.

>>1598379
Arrow Cross Party plz go

>>1598372
I bet they are koreans too.

>>1598868
Are you kidding? The Arrow Cross hated him. They call him a traitor and a cuck for not gobbling down Hitler's dick to the hilt from the get-go.

The whole "Hirohito was a figurehead, he didn du nuthin" angle was made up by MacArthur.

>>1598695
I'm pretty sure FDR's oil embargo was done to provoke the Japanese. So he could break isolationist sentiment and get his war on Germany.

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>>1598379
>pragmatic and level headed about every decision.
>Lost 300,000 soldiers

>>1598695

Japan could've gone north or broken with Germany and settled with China.

The reason the Japanese attacked the US was because it was suggested as an option and then nobody dared to back down from this ridiculous idea for fear of looking dishonourable infront of everyone else

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>>1598363
>He was not a leader, he was a puppet.
This.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_General_Headquarters

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>>1598863
> victor emmanuel

> leading italy in anyway other than on paper

Tippest toppest of keks

>>1599913
This. Hirohito knew exactly what he wa s doing

>>1599913
No it wasn't, fuck off gook.

>>1600699
t. Shinzo Abe

Hirohito had the final say in everything. He might not have drafted invasion plans or gave orders, but he was a betacuck who gave into everyone else's wishes.

If Hirohito was such a figurehead, why did they need the prosecutors collaboration to keep him from being implicated in the Tokyo trials?

How guilty do you have to be to need a miscarriage of justice to avoid being found guilty at someone else's trial?

>>1600750
>but he was a betacuck who gave into everyone else's wishes.
Nah, he pretty much actively cultivated people around him who were expansionist militarists and firm supporters of Emperor Worship.

Shit yeah, if you staff your military with people like that they're going to give you the advice and 'wishes' you wanted.

>>1598697
>>1598701
You do realize Hirohito died 27 years ago right?

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I'm sorry, I don't see the glorious Tsar's face anywhere in this thread. Out of all the Axis, he was the only one that limited himself to only declaring war to reclaim lost territory and not on the Soviet Union, and thus Bulgaria was the only Axis nation to come out of WW2 with her borders increased.

>>1600559
Except the Emperor was against the decision and many of the PM advisors to the Emperor and to Tojo worked tirelessly to work out a solution with the US. The problem was that the us diplomats weren't interested in working anything out that the Japanese could accept until the last moment, then shitty translations ruined the last chance for peace. The US told them to get out of China, but didn't recognize Manchuko as part of that. The Japanese thought the us deal included Manchuria and refused even though the us hadn't considered the entities one and the same. The US diplomat didn't like or respect the Japanese and the Japanese were using inexperienced officers as diplomats. It was a huge clusterfuck that could've been avoided by the two sides talking through the final treaty properly.