great famine

>>1593233
Either that or stunning indifference. They wouldn't let them receive grain as a gift from other nations.

>>1593233

If it was it was the most ineffectual and limp wristed attempt at genocide ever.

>OI M8 HER MAJESTY D' EN DOH NUTTEN

But in seriousness, while the intentional starvation did take place, I doubt we can brand killing subhumans as "genocide".

>>1593247
Why the irish hate? They may have accomplished nothing of significance, but they're cute.

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>>1593261
>accomplished nothing of significance
theres not many of us but we've still done a good amount
for example this here big fella went to the moon with neil armstrong
also we invented scotland

>>1593244
most genocides arent holocaust tier level of effort

>>1593335
Nah. You've done shit all compared to the rest of Europe.

>>1593432
compared to what countries? germany? england? russia? france? these countries have far far higher populations than ireland

>>1593475
Eh, try Croatia, the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Serbia etc

>>1593491
all far richer than ireland
anyway its not like they radically outperfomed ireland, we've got our share of achievements in many fields even without piggybacking on diaspora
and during the middle ages we were the most learned in all of europe.

>>1593240
Its not indifference when the man in charge was ACTIVELY denying resources.

>>1593507
Trevelayn didn't entirely represent what the Empire thought should be done about the famine though. If you recall, he was sent to be in charge of 'relief', but he was a religious nutcase sociopath who thought that god was judging the Irish for being lazy. So it wasn't a dedicated effort by parliament to kill the Irish off.

>>1593335

>Ireland never did anything

Mick Collins was literally the first urban guerilla warfare expert in our modern times and everyone from Che Guevara to the french resistance to Osama has taken key points from him

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>>1593244
>half of the population dead or displaced
>ineffective

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>>1593261
>accomplished nothing of significance
>Irish authors and poets arent the envy of europe

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>>1593432
Pretty much every learned man in Europe from the 5th century until the 12th was either German or Irish desu

Best writers, best produce, etc.

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>>1593261
>They may have accomplished nothing of significance

I'll suppose you're unaware of the period wherein Ireland was literally the cultural capital of Europe, and were single-handedly responsible for the survival of Roman knowledge into the Medieval era.

>>1593677
700 years of mediocre re-hashed religious texts does not a great nation make.

>>1593892
what does then?

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>>1593233
Yes, never forget

>>1593895
Significant contribution the advancement of human society - Industrial revolution, the Renaissance, Greek democracy and so forth.

>>1593930
and saving alot of ancient texts such as Aristotle
is not part of the advancement of human society?

I would assume since its a famine that its not a genocide...

>>1593518
one guy can pull of a genocide
if i killed a million jews by myself hypothetically it would be a genocide

>>1593233
If they count the Holodomor as genocide then yes, the famine is a genocide

>>1593233
>natural famine
>genocide
Hardly. The British may have exacerbated it, but it wasn't their fault.

>>1595354
>Holodomor
False equivalence. Holodomor was state manufactured.

>>1595381
do you seriously think famine in 30's was intentional?
it was failure of collectivization and then stripping food from collective farms in favor of cities
in reality it's more or less same shit as Great Famine, only you're ideologically biased so that makes you blind
British government ACTIVELY denied help and allowed export of food from Ireland at the same time most were starving
morally speaking it's literally same shit Soviet government did
criminal negligence at best

>>1595420
>it was failure of collectivization and then stripping food from collective farms in favor of cities
So... a state manufactured famine

>British government ACTIVELY denied help and allowed export of food from Ireland at the same time most were starving
So... a natural famine exacerbated by British policy.

I don't know why you're so upset, little potato eater. You can blame your starving ancestors on papist heresy, not Britain.

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>>1595425
>a state manufactured famine
famine caused by state policies
not intentional famine
criminal incompetence
>little potato eater.
I'm not even Irish

>>1595428
Do you not see the difference? The Soviet Union quite literally caused Holodomor through those policies. It was a state manufactured famine. They are directly at fault, not negligent. It's second-degree murder. Potatoniggers were going to die whether Britain intervened or not. It was a natural famine. THAT'S criminal negligence.

>I'm not even Irish
Of course not. You're worse: a frogposting vatnik.

>>1595439
>caused
they caused it but it wasn't their intention obviously
Brits also caused starvation by refusing help and allowing the export of food from Ireland

>>1595448
>Brits also caused starvation by refusing help and allowing the export of food from Ireland
They didn't CAUSE anything. Mother Nature caused it.

>>1595451
you don't understand
crops failed, but Brits CAUSED starvation because they allowed export of food and denied any help
to pretend there's no moral (or even legal according to modern standards) guilt is literally retarded

>>1595456
>Irish are going to starve either way
>Brits somehow caused the natural famine despite complete lack of knowledge about how potato blight functioned
Criminal negligence, as you said, unlike Holodomor which is outright second degree murder. They stood by and let it happen, but they didn't cause it. You're retarded.

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>No matter what, Ireland will never be relevant on a global scale
>However, from the dawn of time to present day, the irish people have excelled in one area like no other
>The mass and intense triggering of larger, wealthier, more competent and relevant nations
>In Irish mythology, an irish dude gets so assmad that the evil sea-gods occupying the land stole his cow that he hunted down the king god's daughter, climbed the tower she was hidden in and knocked her up so that her son could fulfill a prophecy to kill the fucker who stole his cow
>When the Vikings came and occupied the puny Leinster jews, stronk warriors from Connacht under Mael Sechnaill Mac Domnaill pushed their shit in with a force only a fraction of their size during the Battle of Tara, and Brian the province-jew Boru mopped up in the Battle of Clontarf
>When all of Ireland was under British control, a botched uprising in 1916 inadvertedly lead to a free Irish state, not through overcoming the British in battle but by triggering them so much that they REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'd too hard and the backlash from their treatment of irish prisoners spurred on the rebellion movement
>In the North during the late 1900s, Anglo-sympathizing unionist rats treated Irish people north of the border as second class citizens, and denied them equal voting, housing and employment rights
>Attempts to secure these through politics were violently denied
>The IRA kicks off and today NI is chock full of requirements to employ Irish and Unionist people equally
>To this day, Anglos will always, always be triggered by the mere existence of Bogshits laughing at them
>"We-we conquered you!!!"
>"hahah n-nice blight faggot!!!"
>"IRA a shit, nice flag ulstercuck"
>No matter what, you will never be a beta anglo pissed at the decline of his dominion over the world

loving
every
laugh
lads

>>1593233
>In the 17th and 18th centuries, the native Irish had been prohibited by the British Penal Laws from purchasing or leasing land in Ireland, from voting, from holding political office, from living in or within 5 miles of a corporate town, from obtaining education, from entering a profession, and from doing many other things necessary for a person to succeed and prosper in society.

>In the 1840s, Irish Catholics made up 80% of the population of Ireland, the bulk of whom lived in conditions of poverty and insecurity. At the top of the social pyramid was the ascendancy class, the English and Anglo-Irish families who owned most of the land, and held more or less unchecked power over their tenants.

>24% of all Irish tenant farms were of 1–5 acres in size, while 40% were of 5–15 acres. Holdings were so small that no crop other than potatoes would suffice to feed a family.

>Throughout the entire period of the Famine, Ireland was exporting enormous quantities of food to Britain. Although the potato crop failed, the country was still producing and exporting more than enough grain crops to feed the population.

>Sir Charles Trevelyan, the administrator IN CHARGE OF FAMINE RELIEF described the famine as a "mechanism for reducing surplus population" and said: "The judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson, that calamity must not be too much mitigated. The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine, but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the people."

If this wasn't a genocide, it was certainly an act of incredible gross incompetence and malicious negligence by the crown government.

>>1593518
>UK isn't responsible for leaving a religious monster in charge of their colony who gets off on killing the native people

>>1595466
>hurr if Texas people started starving due to natural disaster it wouldn't be the USA's responsibility to send aid to relieve them

That's how fucking retarded you sound. If the UK wanted to seem so fucking big with their Imperialism and forcing prottie beliefs maybe they shouldn't let their closest colony starve in the millions.

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>>1595466
>A government is not responsible when it does nothing to relieve a major natural disaster (and actively hampers other, better governments from providing relief)

>>1595439
Incorrect. It was British policy which doomed the Irish to dependence on potatoes. So, by your definition, it was a state manufactured famine. It's second-degree murder.

>>1593233
There is little use in arguing about whether a particular event constituted genocide because genocide does not have a fixed definition, so you can always weasel your way out of an accusation of genocide

It wasn't so much a genocide as an gross act of wilful negligence. It doesn't alleviate the British state of it's responsibility in the death and destruction of Irelands people

t. Irish Nationalist

>>1595439
The most famous maxim of Irelands famine is John Mitchel's "God created the potato blight, but England created the famine". There was enough food in Ireland to support the population, it's just that it was either exported abroad or held in stores, out of reach of the peasentry who could not afford it

>>1593518
>its not englands fault millions of Irish died, it was just one guy
>it Germanys fault millions of Jews died, apologise, accept refugees and feel guilty you fucking nazis
Ahh the eternal anglo

>>1593958
There were other factors, the phrasing isn't the be all and end all.
The Irish sometimes refer to it as The Great Hunger (An Gorta Mór in their native language)

>>1595466
>going to starve either way
False
Its a fact that there was more than enough food being grown on the Isle to feed every last man, woman and child

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The attached map shows:

THE FOOD EXPORT LOCATIONS IN IRELAND DURING THE FAMINE
>Food was being constantly exported from Ireland during the famine
THE NAMES AND LOCATIONS OF BRITISH ARMY UNITS GUARDING THE FOOD
>British government sent troops to ensure food exportation
THE LOCATION OF THE MASS GRAVES WHERE THE STARVED WERE DUMPED

tl;dr Ireland had plenty of food to eat but the rich kept shipping it out of the country for a profit, backed up by British troops

>>1596088
>the rich
Just say "the British" lad don't sugar coat it

>>1596088
It is not genocide to sell to highest bidder. It's free market. The Brits who own the land are in their full right to sell the food to the people who can afford it. It's their land.
If we consider the Irish famine a genocide, we must also consider the famines in modern Africa a genocide. Which we obviously don't.

>>1596422
slave trade becomes expediant ancestrial immigration (port exporting from africa to brazil)
genocide becomes free market economics (brits owning irish farmland & exporting product to highest bidder)

who were the buyers of the potatoes, anyway?

>>1593233
more like a culling

>>1596427
cannabis actually removes weeds as competitors in its environment, its actually weed-KILLER

>>1595941
This.

the failure of the crop was unfortunate, but London capitalized on it to make it a weapon against the Irish, seizing the opportunity.

the cause of the starvation isn't genocide, but the blockade of food relief and artificial hike in food prices to deliberate starve out the people was genocide.

>>1596156
Poor British wouldn't have been able to vote at that time

>>1596483
But where were the rich from?

>>1595381
>>1595439
>>1595466
>britain exports food from ireland people starve
>britannia did nothing wrong!!!1!
>russia export food from ukraine people starve
>this was genocide evil russian commies!!!1!
Hypocrites.

Capitalism and racial/religious bigotry killed half the Irish population m8
t. commie

>>1596528
You know where they came from

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>>1593491
Name a book from any of those countries as famous as Ulysses.
Also the Irish have done a lot when you count the diaspora.

>>1593546
Gandhi, Martin Luther King and the modern concept of mass peaceful protest are all influenced by O' Connell too.

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>>1596001
Stay mad kraut.

>>1593233
No, it's just a crackpot conspiracy theory among plastic paddies.

>>1596677
>im getting btfo so i accuse you of being diaspora
only irish can accuse people of being plastic paddies, brits have no say in it. genuine irish abroad are sound lads anyway.

>>1595771
>British songs: about glory
>Irish songs: about oppression
It's clear who trigger whom

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>>1593240
>stunning indifference
towards the theories of Thomas Malthus, yes

> so many smelly anglos in this thread
JUST