Indo-Europeans

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>>1590925
>expanded and split into literally every ethnic group worth a damn
>celts

Horse nomads expanding in a world with less than 50 million people tops is boring

>>1590925
Of course they were an extremely organised empire who'se goal was to modernise the world by being given a holy mission balallallalalllalalal You dude do not have a single idea of what you're talking about.
HOW DID THEY DO IT? do what? who were they? what is you point?

>>1591024
Not OP but i think he refers to the domination of indo-europeans in science,arts and millitary over pretty much everyone else

>>1590925
War elephants

The black pre-indoeuropean natives were a peaceful nation, their language didn't even have a word for "war", but their culture was at the same level as ours currently or possibly even higher
But then the indo-european elephant legions poured down on them laying waste to their glorious empire of science and culture

>>1590953
Celts taught romans ironworking and soap making. Also superior saddles.

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>>1590925
Because they split on pretty early. They were a lineage, not a united empire.

The only thing that there is to say about them aside from linguistics is that they had ebbin chariot wheels and horses.

>>1591845
They have similiar mythologies. And some shared values.

>>1590925
Because they were irrelevant horse fuckers if you mean proto Indo Europeans

>>1591034
Kek Iron working was already known by Etruscans, Sicilians, Greeks, Sardinians, Phoenicians, god you are ignorant.

>>1591872
Maybe bronze working celts were the true masters of iron working. And if not introuduced they sure improved the iron working of the romans

>>1591028
>but i think he refers to the domination of indo-europeans in science,arts and millitary

Which time period are you even referring to?

The bronze age? 800 bc? 300 bc? the middle ages? The Modern era?

In the Bronze age it was Semitic peoples and Egyptians who dominated in math and who built the biggest cities, the most impressive architectural wonders of their time too and who had the most advanced technology.

Apart from taming the horse Proto Indo Europeans didn't do much, so I don't get what should we be talking about, they left no writings, built no impressive monuments, no cities, no statues.

If you're talking about the Classical Greeks, the Romans or the Modern era Europeans then they are not the same thing as Proto Indo Europeans, since they mixed with the native population and became something else.

Furthermore modern era Europeans were a Christian people who adopted a culture which was Near Eastern in origins, so they were even more different from the Proto Indoeuropeans.

>>1591029
citation needed

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>>1591900
Absolutely false.

Iron working was known in some parts of Italy since the late bronze age, the Celts didn't even exist as a definite culture until 500 bc.

Pic related, the Etruscans got iron working from Sardinians most likely who got it from the Cypriots: https://www.academia.edu/2061542/Metallurgy_in_Italy_between_the_Late_Bronze_Age_and_the_Early_Iron_Age_the_Coming_of_Iron

>>1591925
Well persians were the first Indo-europeans to conquer them all. Romans also rekt Carthage. With the rise of islam they had a short comeback just to be dominated by persians and turks again.

>>1590925
>Indo-Europeans
>a single ethnic group
It is time to stop posting.

>>1591941
Persians weren't Proto Indo Europeans, Proto Europeans lived in 3500 bc ina different location, the Indo European invaders adopted a lot from the more technologically advanced pre existent Middle Easterners

>>1591953
They adopted it, conquered them and proceeded their legacy and advancements

>>1591942
They started out as a single ethnic group and then split into smaller ones as they mixed with natives. Either way, it's pretty impressive that a small tribe of people spread their genes and culture to basically half the world.

>>1591868
>irrelevant
>chances are your great-great-great-great-great grandfather was one of those horsefuckers
>chances are you live in a country descended from those horsefuckers

>>1590925
What is that white spot between india and iran?

>>1591977
And?

All Europeans including me also descend to some extent from Western European Hunter gatherers, who were a bunch of berry picking savages whose greatest accomplishment is doing a few cave paintings, that doesn't mean shit.

>>1591983
what do Western European Hunter gatheres have to do with PIEs?
If you want technological achievements, then PIEs invented the chariot, domesticated the horse(revolutionary).

>>1590925
>Persians
I think you mean Indo-Iranics, just like there are Indo-Germanics, etc...

>>1592006
Your whole argument was that a lot of people descend from PIE, I also said that most Europeans descend from WHG but that doesn't mean they weren't savages.

Pie were Nomadic peoples whose only achievement was domesticating the horse, they weren't a master race of Atlantideans or anything you or OP are trying to imply they were other than horse riders who managed to travel large distances and were somewhat skilled in the art of war.

>>1591971
IE is strictly linguistic.

>>1591868
>irrelevant
>He says in an Indo European language

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>>1592037
/thread

Anything below this post is Atlanto-Thule-Agart-Hyperborean shitposting.

>>1591845
>>1591024
Of course they weren't an empire you aspie, but they were still an ethnic group that had absolutely stunning effects, and I'm asking how events unfolded to benefit specifically them so greatly.

>>1592037
>>1592050
A language has to start somewhere, furthermore, we know that they had their own religion that also spread with them.

They were clearly an ethnic group with a religion and language that exploded into almost every European ethnicity today.

>>1592037
Languages don't just pop up out of nowhere

>>1592037
That is rooted in ethnicity and a linked origin with one another.

>>1592069
Languages are learned.

Some Indian languages derived from Indo-European and yet they couldnt be the same race as fucking Slavs now, arent they?

Might as well say everyone whose writing systems is based off Hieroglyphics is Egyptian or some shit.

>>1592089
And some American and British are black, does that change the shared cultural and ethnic relationship between Anglo-Saxon descendant Americans with their English forebears? No, it doesn't.

>>1592055
They "favored" them because in the late neolithic/early copper Europe had less than 10 million people in total, it wasn't really difficult to conquer.

The Middle East was much more inhabited and so they weren't capable of imposing their langauge there with exception of Iran, Northen India and a few other regions

>>1592096
Niggas have been talking about Indo-Euroniggery here as a RACE. Stop spouting shit about cultural ties.

>>1592036
>atlantideans
lol no. but considering just how good they were at what they did I think it's impressive. if anyone is the master race it's them, but like I said they're not superhumans.

>>1592108
I never said that though, don't strawman me nigga. Language families arise from related ethnic groups, not simply just shared cultures.

>>1592102
>india, iran
so basically most of the middle east

>>1592118
>how good they were at what they did

We don't know what they did. "They" were not even a distinct group.

>>1592121
No
>>1592119
What's so impressive, that they spread over a relatively large area?

So did the Bantu, are they a master race too?

>>1590925
>>a single ethnic group expanded and split into literally every ethnic group worth a damn (Hellenics, Italics, Persians, Germanics, Celts and even more)
i really hope you understand that most of the Europeans today are just european hunter gatherers who adopted PIE and are not actually descendant of proto-indo-europeans

>>1592102
Dont forget greek,armenian and anatolian

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>>1592140
Modern Europeans hardly have any hunter-gatherer ancestry

>>1592140
And? We are talking about culture here. PIE were master race because they imposed their culture on everyone else

>>1592121
>Turks: 80+ million
>Arabs: 310+ million
>Jews: 6+ million
>Iranians: 77 million
>Other Semitics: 4-20 million
>most of the Middle East

Also since when was India considered the Near East?

>>1592134
I also said nothing about master races either, again, what's with the strawman?

>>1592142
Anatolians speak Turk and Greeks are in Europe

>>1592157
Include kurds and armenians too.

>>1592163
Yes but they used to be there for a long time.

>>1592168
Armenians are in the Caucasus, not the Middle East and I included Kurds with Iranian speakers. Point was: Semitic/Hasmitic languages dominate the Middle East because of Arabization of other Semitic and non-Semitic peoples outside of Iran and Turkey.

>>1592153
>PIE were master race because they imposed their culture on everyone else

[Citation needed]

>>1592150
That early neolithic component in your graph is already 25% hunter gatherer itself

>>1592128
good at what they did was me implying they were particularly successful in their colonizations/wanderings.
>distinct
distinct varies but for me the fact that:
they had two distinct haplogroups, a similar europid physical appearance(originally black-hair, pale skin, dark hair, then the mutation for blonde hair and light eyes became common amongst them, which is why it spread), and a religion, makes them a distinct group to me.

>>1592176
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans

>>1592175
If you included azerbaijan in the middle east then you need to include armenia too. They are on the same altitude. And dont forget lurs,balutschis and gilanis.

>>1592134
the bantu might be impressive and worthy of the title if their descendants had done anything.

>>1592175
I don't think Egypt should count as part of the middle east if were not counting india and the areas around it. still, Iran alone is a large swath of land.

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>>1591029
>blacks
>peacefull

>>1592181

And what is that supposed to show?

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>>1592102
>Iran, Northen India
so extremely large and important areas of the middle east?

>>1592134
>So did the Bantu, are they a master race too?
another question i was wanting to ask was how most of the Old World eneded up coming from a few areas, MENA from Afro-Asiatics, SSA from the Bantu/Niger-Congo people, and of course our own Indo-Yuros while much of the Americas and select parts of eastern Asia ended up a mess of unrelated ethnicities.

>>1592140
>>1592150
genetics means fuck all to our lives.

we take almost EVERYTHING from the Indo-Europeans, outside of Basque paleolithic Europeans are extinct. done for. there's nothing identifiable about them left.

>>1592037
I think it would be fairer to say that their linguistic legacy far outweighs their genetic one.
That these people are the ancestors of folk from Iceland to India is pretty much accepted, I think, albeit as a small percentage thereof

>>1592203
North Africa is culturally, ethnically, and racially tied with the Near East/Middle East.

>>1592256
This

>>1592150
Nords have ALOT.

Especially Swedes

>>1590925

the only logical explanation for this, imo, is that they had an advantage as great as that of the first farmers from the middle east, who spread as colonists all over europe, north africa, and iran + india, replacing most of the local hunter gatherers, or that of the spaniards over the natives of the americas.

That advantage was horse riding. Milleniums after this most empires kept getting wrecked by horse archers from the eurasian steppes. The Indoeuropeans were probably the first nomadic horse riders of the steppes.

>>1592256
No

Europeans are split between the 3 genetic groups

Hunters

Farmers

PIE

Basques aren't any different from other western europeans as far as admixture goes

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>>1591938
>>1592218
He's clearly meming you fuckin' autists.

>>1590925

Its true. almost all major cultures and inventions have come from here or at last inspired from here.

>>1591980

A small tribe of what are essentially black people live there and speak a language that is not like any other language in the world

>>1590925
>Hellenics, Italics, Persians, Germanics, Celts and even more)
What more?

>>1592089
>Some Indian languages derived from Indo-European and yet they couldnt be the same race as fucking Slavs now, arent they?
But they are.

>>1594358
Name?

>>1594362
North Indians, Albanians, Armenians, and extinct groups like Hittites and Tocharians.

>>1594137
Basques have barely any Caucasian hunter gatherer admixture which was a genetic component brought by PIE, same with Sardinians, Iberians in general have very few of that, but they have a bit of it

>>1594103
The farmers from Anatolia spread To Europe, the farmers from the Levant to Arabia and NE Africa and the farmers from the Zagros Mountains to Afghanistan, Pakistan, India etc, but those were 3 distinct ethnicities, the farmers in Anatolia were heavily mixed with European hunter gatherers already before entering Europe

>>1592329
No, only to the Gulf Arab region and maybe to a small extent the Levant. North African has nothing to do with the Near East, like Armenia, Iran, and Azerbaijan.

>>1590925
Higher IQ's, plus adventure is part of the European spirit.

>>1592134
You're a retard.

>>1596860
Why does almost all of North Africa speak Arabic and are Muslims then?

>>1592128
India isn't part of the Middle East you dumbass

>>1592119
>Language families arise from related ethnic groups
Citation needed

>>1597320
He's correct though. Two related languages came from a single ethnolinguistic group, therefore, they are related.

>>1596872
You are the retard here

>>1592089
>Languages are learned.


NOPE

Languages are created by humans in the case of the Indo-Eruopean languages they were created by a people sharing the same blood-dna-ancestry, the Indo-Europeans.

>>1596877
I'm arguing the Northern Africans have a lot of genetic and cultural relations with the Gulf Arab region, but they have little to no relation with Armenia, Iran, and Azerbaijan. Armenia, Iran, and Azerbaijan also have little to no cultural and genetic connection the Gulf region.

>>1591845

>>1592036
>only horse
lurkmoar

they invented:
chariot
wheel
equestrianism
steel
advanced metallurgy
composite crossbow
and the modern world

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>>1599279
>Chariot
Ok
>Wheel
No
>Equestrianism
Doubt.
>Steel
No
>Advanced metallurgy
No.
>Composite crossbow.
China says hi, they invented that thing, and the idea for crossbows they got from Southern Junglenig tribes who hunted birds and small game with Pic related, which the Chinese took and made a man-killing tool out of.

>>1599279
>equestrianism

Horse, already said

>steel

False

>The earliest known production of steel are pieces of ironware excavated from an archaeological site in Anatolia (Kaman-Kalehoyuk) and are nearly 4,000 years old, dating from 1800 BC.[18][19]

>advanced metallurgy

That would be Cyprus, so, false again.
>composite crossbow

False
>and its successor cultures gave rise to the Indo-Aryan migration. It has been suggested that the Srubna culture (contemporaneous with, and a neighbour to, the Andronovo culture) used composite bows, but no archaeological evidence is known.[9]

The earliest ones found were in China

> Composite bows (and chariots) are known in China from at least the Shang Dynasty (1700–1100 BCE).[11]

>and the modern world

Kys

>>1599311
>>1599279

And that anatolian site was an Assyrian colony at the time, so not Indoeuropean anyway:

http://www.jiaa-kaman.org/pdfs/aas_17/AAS_17_Akanuma_H_pp_313_320.pdf

If the Pontic steppe was the original Aryan homeland, then are the Cimmerians those Aryans who did not choose to migrate? The Scythians?

>>1592153
>imposed their language
ftfy. They actually adopted most of their later culture and technology from the pre-IE people they conquered. Heck, the Hittites even fully adopted the religion of the pre indoeuropean people that lived in Anatolia, while hellenics absorbed the Minoan mythology into their own.

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>>1591980
>>1594402

Brahui people and language. And they're Dravidian, not black

>>1590925
>Hellenics, Italics, Persians, Germanics, Celts and even more
>Celts
>Germanics
'no'

>>1600062
>he said in a Germanic language

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>>1600076

>>1600088
>vocabulary is language
Worst meme on /his/

Compounded by the fact that most of those Latin words are medical terminology you will never use.

>>1600099
>meme

Latin

>his from historia

Latin

>Compounded

Compono, latin

>fact

Latino, factus

>Latin

Latin, Latinus

>medical

Latin, medicus

>terminology

Termis, latin

>you

tu, Latin again

>use

Uso, Latin
Hah, owned.

>>1600099
>vocab isn't language
>Latin words aren't really used
ok if it makes you feel better

>>1600124
>Worst
>on
>by
>the
>that
>most
>of
>those
>words
>are
>you
>will
>never
all germanic, eat shit

Old English ēow, accusative and dative of gē (see ye1); related to Dutch u and German euch . During the 14th century you began to replace ye1, thou1, and thee; by the 17th century it had become the ordinary second person pronoun for any number and case.

>>1600146
>you see, on /his/ we don't like to actually do things like linguistics. we prefer memes and bullshitting.

>>1600226
>>1600219
Even with the loan Old Norse words a minority of words, not even a plurality of words is of germanic origin. Anyway, anyone who can count will see that, it's just numbers.

but let me guess, you are a 20 something yo beady anglo who gets extremely insecure when people point out there are more foreign words in the language he speaks to his own mom, then native words survived through time

OR you are some white american 20 something yo with a must-be-german complex

am i correct

>>1600306
im arguing that vocabulary is not what classifies a language, which is completely correct and linguistics supports this, and nor am i any of the two you listed.

so what are you arguing for? that english is a latin language? what?

>>1600343
1. vocab is language(incredibly obvious imo)
2. old english words + old norse words(im generous) make up a quarter of all the words in the language
3.calling old english a germ. language is correct
4.calling english a germ. language is incorrect at this point
4a. calling english a french dialect is also incorrect
4.b calling english romanece would also be incorrect even though vocab. etc etc.
5.call it mixed, this reflects the current reality of it

unbreakable argument, unless 1. is wrong, which doesn't make any logical sense

i guess im also arguing for looking at reality the way it is and the numbers the way they are

anyway

>>1600400
Mate, I see what you're getting at, but it isn't support once you actually get into the meat of linguistics.

Phonetically and grammatically, it's a Germanic language. This is what really defines a language, not the words you say, but how you say.
There is no in-between status other than "a Germanic language with extensive Italic vocabulary". The language descended from Proto-Germanic, it didn't shift anywhere.