Banned music during WW2

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NSDAP, being the plebeians they were, banned both Mahler and Mendelssohn -- two of the greats. They banned Debussy for some perplexing reason, that he had a Jewish ex-wife or something. I can understand why they banned Schoenberg because his music was """"2 modern; not enuff marching music/wagner horns"""". They claim to want a revival of the classicals, but then they failed to see how Schoenberg was actually attempting to revive the classicals. They call Mozart a good German, and in classic German autismo, dismiss the entire notion of Austrian music as distinct from German. They conflated Bach with Mozart as if they are somehow comparable, and then, when faced with the distinctiveness of the 2nd and now 3rd Austrian school, they destroyed the Wiener Symphoniker in a frenzy of autistic rage.

In true NSDAP contradictory style, they held up both Brahms AND Wagner as the definition of German music. The wars of the romantics obviously passed them by, and they must've seen these two composers as somehow compatible. They decry 20th century modernism, and yet support 19th century modernism. It is irreconcilable to hold that Beethoven is the conclusion of Western music, that Wagner is the conclusion of Western music, and that Wagner is the revival of Western music all at the same time. NSDAP were obviously capable of mental gymnastics, probably due to their plebian tastes and ignorance. They almost banned one of the greatest conductors of all time, Furtwangler, from performing.

Not only did they have low tastes, they were also ignorant. They held up Beethoven as the expression of "German Morality", again -- German autismo. The irony of playing the 3rd, 5th, and 9th at NSDAP gatherings shows that their analysis of the 5th is "wwooooww so epin" and the 9th: "badass! ode 2 joy". The morality of Beethoven is Liberte, Egalite, and Fraternite. Ignorant.

The climax of their stupidity was that they banned Austrian Jew- Webern, despite him being a supporter of the Anschluss.

>>1588072
It's funny to think about how many Jews would have supported Nazi Germany if Hitler hadn't explicitly rejected them.

During the First World War, Germany had a ton of excellent Jew scientists keeping them on the same level as the allies.

>>1588072
Just to add:

They denounced 12-tone despite it first appearing in the Classicals like Mozart.

They denounced the rhythm of Jazz and "le nigger music XDD" despite it's appearance in Beethoven.

These: http://nationalvanguard.org/2015/03/three-jews-and-the-ruin-of-classical-music/ are the kind of mouth breathers that would have governed the NSDAP music policy.

Just imagine if some /pol/ NEET ran your life and decided if you listened to music that wasn't "Tannhauser, Burzum, and the Evangelion OST" you would be shot in the back of the head.

>>1588083
yes, and many American-German Jews were upset that America declared war on Germany, since Germany offered some protection from Russian pogroms.

NSDAP were autistic though.

>>1588100
I like Tannhauser though

>>1587985
Depends, the Nazi's used it sparingly for propaganda in the end.

https://youtu.be/XsPOKoNKii4

Funnily enough Adorno also hated similar types of jazz because he thought it was capitalist culture :)

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>>1588072
really makes you think

but what about other areas of aesthetics? Fashion, art and architecture?

>>1588100
>"le nigger music XDD" despite it's appearance in Beethoven.

Proto-jazz only exists in one Beethoven piece by chance when he was deaf. I know the theory that romantic music helped start jazz in post-slaverly America to begin with, but implying Beethoven is "jazz" is too far. Beethoven was also the most popular classical composer in Nazi Germany, if I remember correctly.

>>1588155
>implying beethoven wasn't black

>>1588150
Nordic LARPing

Mussolini was aesthetic and Italian art and architecture was superior in every way.

>>1588155
>by chance

>>1588143
>Adorno also hated similar types of jazz because he thought it was capitalist culture :)

Put it this way: Jazz is a good barometer of freedom... In its beginnings, the United States of America spawned certain ideals of freedom and independence through which, eventually, jazz was evolved, and the music is so free that many people say it is the only unhampered, unhindered expression of complete freedom yet produced in this country.

- Duke Ellington.

>>1588157
WE

>>1588158
Obviously it was by partially by chance. Do you think he had a magical superpower to see into the future? He never specifically intended to "invent" jazz, it just happened.

nazis liked tango very much

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>>1588072
>>1588100
Well, that's a cap.

>>1588190
like everyone did in interwars europe

>>1587985
The Nazis were butthurt that jazz is

a) made by them nasty coloured folk
b) syncopated, which upset Hitler's autism because only der regular ubermusik will suffice

Like most of the Nazi's meddling in the art world (see: Nazi-approved art and sculptures, Nazi architecture) it's artistically stale, based upon the idiosyncrasies of Hitler's personal taste, and completely uncoordinated (but great for 15 y/o wehraboos to wank over)

>>1588072
Eh, Mendelssohn isn't that great

>>1589807
He was as talented as Mozart in every way. His actual music certainly isn't as influential, but there isn't a thing Mozart could do which Menelssohn couldn't.

>>1587985
Imo it also has to do with purity or the lack thereof.
Jazz in its essence is an amalgamation of styles and influences. Embracing any and all influences from Western Europe, the Balkan and Gypsies, African rhythms and blue notes, field hollers and even Polka.

The Nazi philosophy was in a large part about purity and keeping out influences they considered “entartet”.

Or maybe they just hated nigger music

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>>1588072
>>1588100
Sometimes, just sometimes, this board lives up to its standards.

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>>1588112
>America declared war on Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States_(1941)

>>1591410
the exchange was regarding WW1 and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_United_States_declaration_of_war_on_Germany

The German Empire was more tolerant of Jews than Tsarist Russia.

>>1591411
you win this time....

>>1587985
Ironic that they would ban great music for being degenerate while literally being textbook degenerates.

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>>1587985
nazis were degenerate collectivist plebs, their standard of music can be found in the american pop music. heres a piture of so of so-called degenerate art if hitler was alive, just fucking it to the masses

>>1588181
>Do you think he had a magical superpower to see into the future?
Yes

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What would be the funniest song to imagine a nazi lisning to of the period? mine goes for 'swing doors' by Allan Gray

>>1588158
>italian "art"

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>>1592372
What about it?

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>>1587985
What are/have you been listening to, /his/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy_JRGjc1To

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>>1589807
>>1589817
His Wedding March is still the go-to wedding song.
>>1591892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XQybKMXL-k
Choo choo!