Are paradox games historically accurate?

No, doesn't mean they aren't fun.

no

but theyre the ones that come the closest

Generally at the starting point, with the exception of games in which the HRE is a big homogeneous blob.

Remember to buy HoI4 and Stellaris

>>1563675
Im pretty sure Kings n shiet did not receive instantaneous messages or had graphs & charts.

>>1563675
No but autists will play it and take everything they see as a indisputable fact.

>>1563759
wouldn't autists be the ones that gets all butthurt over historically inacuracy while normies takes it as facts?

I'd say they're as close to historically plausible as today's technology will allow

>>1563675
I liked the maps a lot

>>1563686
Speaking of the HRE, that's probably Paradox's biggest offender in innacuracy, given that in EU4 there are, what, 15 states in the HRE? Though it's pretty understandable that an accurate one would be a huge pain in the ass to deal with. Some sacrifices have be made for the sake of gameplay.

>>1563729
Disregard HOI4 and buy Vicky 2 and HOI3

>>1563861
There's a mod for every state in the HRE
Bigger than vanilla Europe put together i think

>>1563861
The only way to do HRE justice would be to have a game based solely on it

>>1563675
They aren't, but they're still more accurate than 99% of videogames.

>inb4 some imbecile will count mods as games

>>1563729
t. Johan

>>1563729
>buy

Johan pls

>>1563878
Its called Voltaire Nightmare

>>1563879
>game based on HRE
pretty cool idea actually

>>1563675
Yes. Sweden is the most powerful country in the world.

>>1563861
Think it's above 40 at start. Less than 35 or 25 and the emperor starts bleeding bleeding authority.

>>1563675
Of course. I can take Ragusa and become an empire on five continents by the end of the game. Paradox games shine with history and realism.

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>>1563675
Realism is not a meaningful argument

>>1563879
Check out Kingdom Come, it's entirely set in the HRE.

>>1563729
Unpopular opinion: I actually like HOI4, though it isn't my favorite Hearts of Iron game. DH is. HoI3 was good, but it was almost Grigsby levels of autistic.

>>1563675
If liquor drove the industrial revolution, then yes they are.

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>>1563959
the maddest man in the world must have made this

>>1563961
HOI4 is just HOI3 without having to assign additional battalions manually.

>>1563947
BELIEVABLE WORLDS

>>1563947
top be fair how often does the A.I alov something like that too happen. the only times stuff like that happens are when the player is Riga

>>1563995
Funnily enough one of my major complaints is that Empire don't form
The Ottomans start off huge and have the goal of expanding into Europe, but the Austrians aren't hard-coded to always form the necessary political unions they need to become an empire, and no one else will show up in their place to become the huge dick of Europe

>>1564002
>one of my major complaints is that
>the Austrians aren't hard-coded
Fuck right off, retard.

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No matter how accurate a paradox game is the moment a major nation gets under the absolute control of an autistic neckbeard history goes off rails.

>>1563947
If you want total 100% complete accuracy just watch a fucking slideshow of maps changing. its a game, and if you cant actually do things that alter the course of history in them, then what the fucks the point of even playing a game about how history would change?! Playing as ragusa and just sitting in the Adriatic for a couple hundred years waiting for the turks to fuck you over in a month sure would be fun right?

>>1564002
>huge dick of Europe
That'd be France
And England is hard-coded to be perfidious.

>>1563961
Alright, can we put the memes aside for a moment and all agree that, for what it set out to do, HoI4 is a success? It gave us a WWII grandstrat free from all the archaic bullshit of Darkest Hour, and also much easier to get into then HoI3. Can anyone here honestly say they enjoy wasting an hour to fix their OoB every time they start a game of HoI3? Not to mention that, rather than needing to tediously micromanage industry like in other HoI games, HoI4's industry is both streamlined as well as more intuitive than the previous games. Yeah, it's true that HoI4 leads to more "ahistorical" scenarios, but isn't that the point? Why even bother playing the game if the outcome is predetermined form the start? Moreover, from a pure gameplay perspective, giving the player more options, whether they be historical or ahistorical, is a total success. Sure, Mosley ruling Britain never could have happened in reality, but it's fun to have the ability to easily do so in video game form.
Overall, I feel that HoI4 is getting a lot of undeserved hate simply because it isn't a total copy of HoI3 with slightly better graphics. Of COURSE the game is different - HoI3 already exists, there would be no point to making the same game again! HoI4 may be different, but that's by design, not by some unforeseen flaw, and it should be celebrated for the changes it made, not hated on.

>>1564014
No, France is the Western Turk.

>>1564013
t. WIz

>>1563941
Isn't crusader kings 2 kinda like that?

>>1563995
Haven't tried to colonise yet as Ragusa, but I'm pretty sure I could've done exactly what I stated if I hadn't focused so much on having all of southern Europe, North Africa and all the way to India conquered. It's not so much the AI allowing anything it's the player getting lucky. Basically EU4 is a shit game that actually relies more on luck than on knowledge. There is basically no skill involved. Once you learn to build a marketplace in a centre of trade, not to cross rivers attacking and to steer trade to your benefit there is nothing else that remains except for "which dumb shit will the AI pull and will I benefit from it?".

>>1563928
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>>1564017
I have three (technically 4) pretty basic gripes about it: air combat, the map and optimization. I hated the fucking 3D map in CK2. I fucking hated the 3D map in EU4. I fucking hate the 3D map in HOI4 with a god damned passion. If they were to give us a 2D option with map modes, I'd be fine which brings me to my next gripe: map modes. We have, in total, 9 map modes of which only 4 do anything of note. Finding out what terrain is what is a giant fucking pain in the cock as you have to click on each individual province instead of having it shown normally on the map. In fact, I lied, there are fucking two whole map modes that do anything important: air map mode (because you're forced into using it) and fucking supply map mode. The air issue is kind of a bitch. Since you, and the AI, crank out more planes than Hitler could even dream of, you lose the ability to micromanage them and semi-rightfully so. However, this takes away the ability to fine tune your air war which is horse shit. On top of this, the air issue is currently what's fucking optimization. If you get past say... 1943 you end up with the AI having tens of thousands of airplanes per country because they're scripted to keep shitting them out and the chances of getting shot down are pretty rare so now your PC has to keep track of hundreds of thousands if not millions of aircraft including your own which lags you the fuck out.

tl;dr
It's better than HoI3 was on release but it needs serious improvement to get on the same level.

>>1564047
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire

Paradox would be great if they partnered with academic institutions and researched how to simulate economies, politics and societies and even culture. But they appeal to 16 year old muhh heritage /int/, /pol/, and /his/-tards with a meme level understanding of history.

>>1564057
How do you go from this
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>
>
...to this?
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire

>>1564061
With Victoria 2 they were on the right path.
Not anymore, though.

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>>1564038
>There is basically no skill involved. Once you learn to build a marketplace in a centre of trade, not to cross rivers attacking and to steer trade to your benefit there is nothing else that remains except for "which dumb shit will the AI pull and will I benefit from it?".

This shit can basically be said for any paradox game with only minor variations.

Hoi3
>dont attack across rivers or into mountains
>keep your industry running
>protect your supply convoys
wtf all I have to do is wait for the AI to fuck up now

Vicky 2
>dont attack across rivers or into mountains
>keep your taxes optimal
>steer your politics to avoid rebels and socialism
>maintain hegemony over your spheres of influence and keep allies
wtf all I have to do is wait for the AI to fuck up now

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>>1563947
>A village of refugees that turned it into an empire that spread over 3 continents and conquered all advanced civilizations in its path
Wtf I hate history now

>>1564077
For Vicky 2 it's more like

>who gives a shit about mountains or rivers
>tax the poor the most and the rich the least all game while maxing your tariffs
>fund the right industries and fuck lazy fairy
>do whatever you want in politics, just don't get lazy fairy
>spheres are fairly irrelevant unless you're trying to form a Union or you want a specific good
Vicky 2, while more complex than any of the other Paradox games besides HoI3, is easy as shit once you learn what to do. You can turn OPMs like Luxembourg into GPs with ease with the right knowledge.

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>>1564097
Mine was bigger.

>>1564102
Were the borders connected by land or did you just have a little clay in every continent like the Dutch?

>>1563675

Somewhat, the funny thing is that borders in EU4 at the end often resemble real life borders of the time or 50 years later, at least in Europe
Not perfectly obvious, but I had a game where everything was looking almost "normal", and then Russia freed Denmark from Swedish/Scandinavian overlordship and almost every border was perfect.

Also, terrain played and still plays a MASSIVE role in land warfare, but nautical superiority is ignored in EU4 compared to how important it was and is in real life.

>>1564026
HRE is shit in CK2
just a big white blob that fucks over it's neighbours and doesn't function like the HRE at all

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>>1564106
Connected by land. Had an entire game's length alliance with Austria and Hungary. Basically everyone went their own direction in conquering helping each other brodown with their enemies. Funnily enough I bordered Hungary in the Caucasus. I think theirs was even bigger. All of Scandinavia and a huge chunk of Russia. The stars aligned about a few decades into the game from which point it took absolutely no effort on my part. Once you learn how to play EU4 the game becomes boring 'cause you realise it's shit and easy and it boils down to coin flips.

>>1564145
I've had vastly different experiences there. I've had games with France not existing for the second part of the game (and not because I helped do that either). Or Sweden reaching as far as Korea.

>>1563947
I'm more pissed at how Muscovy can steamroll the Ming dynasty a couple of centuries later.

>>1564164
I think it's better now, they tend to expand a bit against the east, take some land from France at the start and have a chance of losing the Italian states.
In the past they would always end up going on a crusade to Iberia and end up swallowing up all the Muslim states there.

>>1564164
This. Holy shit.
>start as some random count
>start consolidating power
>become powerful duke
>ok time to bribe some people and fuck the emperor through politics
>sow dissent in the capital doesn't do shit. at most makes a shitty baron pissed off with the emperor
>get caught most of the time
>try to make factions get pissed with emperor
>they become pissed with me instead
>somehow make the other powerful dukes/kings hate the emperor
>-100 hate him
>they still don't do anything
>somehow make them/they do something
>emperor just swats rebels like nothing
>+50 opinion crushed major rebellion
>ragequit

>>1564181
With the changes in the next patch of the duchy of Flanders being part of the kingdom of France/ empire of Francia, I imagine the HRE will be attacking France a lot less now.

>>1564180
Why wouldn't they be able to? Historically, the Ming were falling the fuck apart and were to be conquered by nomadic horseriding nobodies barely a century after the beginning of EU4, let alone a few centuries in as Muscovy becomes the entirety of Russia.

>start a Paradox game
>get triggered by all the stupid meme shit
>quit
>some months later repeat
Story of my life

>>1564195
Can they still press that claim that allows them to take half of France near the start?

>>1564231
>meme shit

Such as what? The forced women events that essentially force you into picking them?

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>this thread

>>1564240
And the comet ones

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>>1564240
not him but
>force you into picking them
Top Kek

>late game empire
>monthly income 50+ ducats
>only tier 3 advisors
>whooman event happens
>oh boy
>wall of text straight out of wikipedia
>"Wow, we absolutely need her at court."
>tier 2 super woman advisor
>"What a nice story"
>10 prestige
>mfw

Also:
>employing a woman
>pay her only half of what men in the same position do
wtf I hate paradox now

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>>1564263
>get a similar event but with a male advisor
>"hey this guy did this at this time"
>literally two lines
>mfw

grandi liquor XD

>>1563686
Using CK2's mechanics, it's not super easy to create a truer functioning HRE, especially considering the various start dates and that every holding in a county is under the county holder, excepting for oddities like holy orders. And, once again, there's not just enough map space for all of them.

>>1563928
Yeah, this is a good example. It zooms into essentially just the HRE with some extra areas like holstein and northeastern france

They sacrifice a lot of historical accuracy for gameplay conveniency, but even then, it's just a spreadsheet simulator to me. With the exception of CK2

I prefer Total War desu

>>1564293
>says paradox games sacrifice a lot of historical accuracy for gameplay reasons
>proceeds to shill Total War
Fucking wew lad

>>1564296
I prefer Total War not because of its accuracy, but because it's more interesting than the Paradox games for me.

Plus memories of playing Rome Total War as an antisocial teenage history sperg

>>1564097
Underrated post

>>1564306
>accuracy
You mean inaccuracy? Total war games aren't accurate at all.

Paradox games are too off the rails for me. I prefer a more railroaded experience driven by event chains and free of ahistorical and unaesthetic blobs. Kaiserreich for Darkest Hour is sort of like that but alt-history.

>>1563675
>Are paradox games historically accurate?

Considering that they are games and not history textbooks, they do a pretty good job. I can't think of a game series that is closer to history, really, certainly not on the timescales paradox games cover.

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>>1563675
Took 10 seconds to know they weren't historically accurate, took me a bit longer to find they weren't fun. Don't play them, they're for children practically, With the exceptions of the HOI games except 4, and CK2 with all the Expansion pacts. But still don't, they're all cancer

>>1564323
CK2 is the most casualized of the lot. Even more than EU.

>>1564323
>CK2
>not for children

>>1564323
>find out you dislike a particularly genre after sinking 1000 hours into it
>dares to call it shit
Yeah, turns out you're just retarded.

>>1564323
This.

They are games designed for children with autism. Most people who play them have mental disorders where they care about the shapes and colors of lines.

Buy a superior game like total war, you actually have to put some thought into it.

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>>1564327
It's still for children of course, it's just actually fun, kinda.

>tf2 there will never be in-depth strategy game where you lead from the top with limitations and power depending on your nation, internal politics, individual command of battles,etc
> and actually use strategy holy shit

>>1564335
>spearmen in front
>skirmishers in back
>use cavalry to attack their skirmishers and flanks
>hammer and anvil
>actual thought
Yeah, nah. Candy Crush requires more thought than Total War games

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>>1564346
Woops, retarded image. But yeah keep far away from Paradox.

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>>1564350
wtf another
Tyranny looks to be good because Oblivion is making it and Paradox is just using their jew money to publish it

>>1564348
Still more strategy than a Grand Autism Simulator

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>>1564355
By fucking Jesus another one
pls papi let this one work

>>1564355
Anyone remember that one game Runestone? It was supposed to be a norse mythology game but pdox cancelled it like EvW

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>>1564359
Holy shit what the fuck actually
>>1564360
Nah, not really. Name comes to mind tho

>>1564355
>>1564350
>>1564346
>s.jpg
How new are you?

>>1564356
It isn't strategy at all.

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>>1564363
I am actually going to murder something if all my memes full to midget autism

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>>1564368
This one doesn't work and I legit kill myself

>>1564368
>>1564363
>being this much of an idiot

>>1564371

Post pics

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>>1564371
lol just kidding check my expansion

>>1564346
>>1564350
>>1564355
>>1564359
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>>1564368
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>>1564376

>failing this hard on a consistent basis

Opinion discarded. Stop saving thumbnails you moron.

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>>1564381
here let me do my first poster over again and forget this happened

It's still for children of course, it's just actually fun, kinda.

>tf2 there will never be in-depth strategy game where you lead from the top with limitations and power depending on your nation, internal politics, individual command of battles,etc
> and actually use strategy holy shit

>>1564388
>>1564381

Yes we all know spurdo memes, we've been on this site longer than 40 seconds. Stop spamming the thread with them you autist.

>>1564388
>here let me do my first poster over again and forget this happened
What did he mean by this

>>1564310
>>1564296
you need to learn basic reading comprehension

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>>1564393
Your a hungry boy, take the rest of my shit ones

>>1564393
>>1564393

>>1564239
>Claim that allows them to take half of France near the start
Which start point is that?

Paradox, Total war, both are DLC jews whose products won't work properly till after heavy patching.

>>1564411
1066. They always press the De Jure claims over Flanders.

>>1564411
1066.
I rember how the HRE used to dow France and split their kingdom in half by taking one or more major duchies thanks to a claimant.

>>1564420
Sill enjoyable at the end of the day

>>1564421

No, Flanders is no longer part of Francia so they have no de jure claims over it.

>>1564421
I think that CB will be removed because Flanders will now be part of the kingdom of France/empire of Francia rather than kingdom of Frisia/dejure HRE

>>1564401
>>1564404
Probably kys 2bh pham

>>1564421
>>1564429
for me, they always claim Gent for some reason.

so i have bought ck 2 and played ot for couple of days. learned the basics much quicker than i tought i would. what dlcs should i get too enjoy the game fully?

>>1564590
Sword of Islam and the Old Gods if you want to play as other religions.the Old Gods also lets you play earlier. Sons of Abraham if you want to play as a Jewish dynasty, plus you can take loans from jews before confiscating their wealth and expelling them.

The Republic lets you play as one of the 5 patrician families in a republic. i really like playing as one of the Italian republics and setting up trading posts across the mediterranean and just being a general trade Jew.

Charlemagne lets you play even earlier

its best to pirate the dlc desu. paradox doesnt deserve your shekels

>>1564616
nvm, charlemagne has even more features that are pretty based if youre into the dynastic aspect of ck2, which you must be

>>1564590
Just pirate them all and turn off the eu4 converter, that would always crash the game when it was on. just go to /gsg/ and download the dlc from the archive, but try not to get caught between the shitposting between the grandi youth and Radical Bronyslavia

>>1564616
Pretty much, I have CK2 on steam and still pirate it because the game has about $200 in DLC

They aren't that historically accurate besides some events and the geography but they are still amazingly fun games and they helped get me into history

>>1563675
Yes--if you use MEIOU & Taxes, the Historical Immersion Project, Black ICE, or any of the other mods that improve the abstract vanilla gameplay.

>play japan
>win

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>>1564326
>>1564327
I bet you shitheads don't even play the game how it's intended to be played.
>open console
>spam the pollination event on your wife wathever the id is
>wait a bit while conquering shit
>kill wife and marry a daughter
>spam pollination event on daughter/wife
>wait again while pressing the button to create your empire
>kill daughter/wife and marry daughter/granddaughter/wife and pollinate her
>make your character 16 again
>get your second empire while waiting
>kill daughter/granddaughter/wife and marry daughter/granddaughter/great-granddaughter/wife
>repeat until you own the whole map
Dynasty tree gets a bit fuckey, but it's okay.

>>1563675
>Paradox
>Historically accurate
Fuck off Johan

>be Johan
>create games
>to simulate believable worlds
>get bullied on 4chin
He doesn't deserve to have it so hard

>>1564180
In my last EU4 game I'm playing Russia and I'm in a stalemate because I've manage to angered a alliance of France, Poland-lithuania and a westernize Ming empire. They can muster something like a 500000 men army and basically expanding everywhere would be very painful

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/gsg/ and /his/ alliance when?

>>1563686
What are some good intro books on the HRE? Just general stuff

>>1564401
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>>1564346
Holy fuck this is some advanced retarded autism.

>>1563675
Paradox games and Porn are usually the most accurate historical represenation of entertainment media. Allthough there are few high calibre porn movies that blow everything out of the water in terms of set design and costumes.
Some porn produces have to be literal autists.

>>1564296
>implying Europa barbarorum 2 doesn't have a more engaging campaign than any paradox game.

Playing as baktria is god tier.
>edge of the world
>you are cut off from your people who are away on the other side of asia
>you have 1 polis with which to colonize places.
>to the east the mauryans are stronger than you.
>to the north the horse nomads are descending upon your masters
Plus watching your empire evolve from a tiny colony of greeks into a multicultural trade empire that is largely buddhist is pretty great

It doesn't even have mana.

>>1564348
you forgot
>you lose half your spearmen to skirmisher fire
>your cavalry is unsupported and takes heavy losses.
>after the battle you crawl back to your nearest city and wait 5 turns to heal.

>>1565045
can you tell me what MEIOU & Taxes does?
/gsg/ is going full autism right now.

>>1566604
>Allthough there are few high calibre porn movies that blow everything out of the water in terms of set design and costumes.
>Some porn produces have to be literal autists.
I'm intrigued.

>>1563675
HOI 3 TFH with BICE mod. Most historically autistic thing I've ever played. I caught cancer.

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>>1564097

Basically all empires at some point

>carthage
>rome
>macedon
>scandinavians
>mongols
>arabs
>england
>aztecs
etc

>>1566652
I forgot the name but I saw one some time ago that was the count of monte christo but porn. The naked chicks were nice but the set and costumes were better than anything hollywood spewed out.

>>1566689
Anon I need sauce. For science

>>1566689
the guy probably researched what people wore in post napoleonic france.

>anglos
>snownigs
>civilized

Can someone tell me what the MEIOU and taxes mod adds for EU4?

>>1566787
bloat

>>1566839
is it any good?

>>1566842
no

>>1566787
>>1566842
a ton of more or less realistic mechanics that add a ton of new shit to track
i like it

>>1566856
nice. gonna give it a try.

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>>1566667
>scandinavian empire
what?

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>>1566492
Whats that? You want more?

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>>1566492

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>>1566492
Enjoy

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>>1566492
my

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>>1566492
memes

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>>1566492
:^)

Paradox games aren't for historical accuracy. They are for historical what if scenarios and roleplaying with simple enough mechanics.

>>1566447
Essay on the Customs and the Spirit of Nations - Voltaire

>>1563729
Stellaris is one of the more shallow space games I've played. It basically a watered down Distant Worlds with more ck2-esque event popups.

>>1568351
>>1568368
my ant loves these

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>>1568368
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>>1564346

Holy shit that was a funny thread thanks thumbnail anon

>crtl+f
>no sandbox
The game is randomly generated outside of the beginning.

What a retarded board.

>>1566905
He fell for the viking meme

>>1564179
the turks supported transylvania, their vassal to engage in the 30y war in support of protestants

which was also supported by france, who was a catholic kingdom

learn some history

>>1566787
Everything you need.
>>1566842
The best one there is. Now I'm incapable of playing without it.
>>1566646
New events, more historical accuracy, a fuckton of provinces and countries, more difficulty, extended timeline (you can start about a 100 years later and continue playing until you're bored)

>>1564188
Just conquer and inherit territories within the empire until you are strong enough to attack weak neighbours, do that untill the emperor marches his whole army to die in a warbwith france then against him with your faction

>>1563675
Not entirely, and that's the point, to (somewhat) diverge from what actually happened into an alternate timeline.

>>1563781
>>1563759
Anyone who plays these games is an autist regardless.

t. paradox autist

>>1563675
No, but you can still learn from them, especially if you look up the things that you don't recognize.

>>1566104
it will be a war to end all dlc