Why doesn't God help starving children?

Everyone has a role in God's Mysterious Plan, theirs is to starve.

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Maybe god is punishing those wicked sinful children for willfulling and shamefully choosing to reject his divine grace and mercy.

>>1555395
To bait well-off westeners into charity

>>1555395
Because the devil.

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>>1555395
He does through the church which provides aid and assistance to countless malnourished children every day.

Even those who do not receive this support may still find comfort in believing God loves them despite being forgotten by the world.

>>1555395
Because they're black.

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>>1555521
u trippin

>>1555395
You could also ask why god didn't help kill of the jews in the late 30's, but you just really won't ever know.

>>1555479
They won't find comfort ultimately if they believe the same thing about Allah or any other god

>>1555435
Why worship God if he can't stop the devil? The devil's powers seem more tangible. Maybe I should worship him instead.

>>1555395
What does this have to do with history. We all know the answer to this anyway.

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>>1555564
there is only one god

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>>1555395
no roi

>repost

It is the will of Tengri, do not question it.

>>1555617

Michael Jackson right?

>>1555395

Because they are poor

>>1555555

>>1555808
Hail the eternal blue

>>1555617
Citation needed.

>>1555395
Because he is to busy, or simply does not know.

It would be like going up to an Emperor and ask why children starv.

Or maybe they just negleted paying homage/sacrifice to their deities. Wouldn't suprice me considering niggers are lazy after all.

>>1555395
Its the only way he can get off

He helps them through the Church, thereby providing people with an opportunity to practice their faith by doing good works.

And generally speaking when children die they go to Heaven, so it's not like their wretched existence in this life is the totality of their fate.

>>1555819
Wrong.

>>1555904
1 Corinthians 8:6

>>1556096

Says you, who as far as I'm aware is a spokesman for the devil.

Praise lord Michael

why don't starving children turn to christ?

>>1555565
he can stop the devil. he already has, you just need to return to him

>>1555953
So starving children are just tokens for some fat white guy to collect so he can get to heaven? WTF?

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>>1555953
Yep. You may as well ask why God didn't help Christ, or why he doesn't "help elderly Christian people". Help them do what? Not die? They're certainly getting eternal life.

>>1556106
Ad hominem.

>>1555395
Cause they're niggers. They aren't human

>>1555435
>Explaining one's power with another one's action
>implies the second obey the first, and not the other way
Not sure to agree anon

>>1556096
I meant scientific quotation. Your book endorse all sorts of bullshits.

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>>1556126

Free will exists
Their starvation is caused indirectly by the free will of others (gluttony, greed, overpopulation).
God respects our free will and intervenes as little as possible. If he eliminated starvation and suffering, he'd be essentially elimating free will, because he would have to intervene constantly to prevent suffering. Almost all of his miracles (citation needed) serve a specific purpose, like to deliver a message. In the new testament at least, pretty much every miracle is used as an example or publicity stunt. Jesus didn't just go around healing every person in all of the levant without saying a word.

>>1555395
They are starving due to acts of men and the societal situation around them that was caused by men
Free will allowed these children to starve, god allows men free will thus children starve

Free will isnt bad, but the choices that allowed that child to starve to that child and obviously to you are inherently bad

>>1556114

Devil logic

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>>1556138
On what evidence do you accuse me?

>>1555395
Because those traitors are harboring skeletons. Skeleton sympathizers deserve no charity, no mercy.

>>1556147
Anon...

.......there is a skeleton inside of you right now.

>>1556154
But I keep that fucker contained beneath my glorious burger layers. Those degenerates are letting theirs rise to the surface.

>>1556156
>>>/Walmart/

>>1556159
I ain't going there without my Rascal

IT'S JUST A TEST BRO

IT'S JUST A TEST ON HUMAN'S FAITH

>>1556166
>>1556166
checked

Because he isn't real

>>1556181
*tips fedora*

>>1556113
So there's literally nothing wrong with letting children starve.
So the Turks are totally justified in the Armenian genocide?

>>1556186
Exodus 20:13 and Deuteronomy 5:17:
"Thou shalt not murder".

>>1556205
But if letting someone starve is murder than isn't god a murderer? Especially considering he has the power to give them food at no cost to him whatsoever?

>>1556146

You're not god, you are corruptible therefore your words aren't true.

>>1556220
That'd be negligence at worst, since he didn't conceive those children or wage the wars that often result in starvation. But he seems to prefer to allow humans to continue operating in this current state of affairs because it results in some greater good.

>>1556096
>proving christianity by citing christianity

Every time.

>>1555395
Why dosent OP help starving children?

>>1556244
>compare omnipotent hyperwizard with a /his/ poster on Monday night

We're talking some pretty disparate power levels here.

>>1555395

Because God is dead and we killed him.

>>1556243
If you want Christianity proved by citing Christianity, the prophecies about zionism are pretty impressive tbqh.

Ezekiel 20:34
and
Isaiah 11:11-12
in particular, these were written hundreds upon hundreds of years BC but they predict the scattering of the Jews and then their return to Israel.

Dogs see us as gods for bestowing food, but we put down their excess numbers. They don't seem to make the connection, and love us still.

He doesn't exist

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>>1555395
>help
Who says its the materially poor that need help?
If a man is poor in disease do we consider him unwell?
You phrase your question so arrogantly and so confident of your fickle values, you imagine your life far superior merely because you have amassed an agglomeration of things in a society that tells you you're doing it right.
Yet none of us can escape the gnawing emptiness that comes with consumerism, materialism, and greed.
We are enslaved to our desires, these children have it good compared to us.
They do not succumb to nihilism or resignation as easily as we do.
Their wills are far stronger.
Even biology knows habitual well-being is not advantageous for an organism.

Essentially, you're an arrogant prick and these children merit the kingdom of heaven while you walk the path of destruction.
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>>1555932
You guys are idiots.
Your position is an unthinking stance of empty rhetoric.
Go back to LeReddit.

>>1556403
Is this guy serious?

Of course not, why am I even asking

>>1556403

>>1555824
Was me

>implying I was serious
>implying the church cares about poor people
>implying people care about poor people

It's sad but true

>>1555395
he hates them as much as i do.

>>1555805
so, he's working on it?

>>1556403
Spoken like a western faggot who's never been hungry. Poverty isn't noble, it's filthy and it's lawless and it will make you do things you're ashamed of. All morality goes out the window, as it is a luxury you can't afford. Thievery becomes trivial, murder becomes excusable. The "gnawing emptiness of consumerism" is nothing compared to the literal gnawing emptiness of having your body eat itself alive. Besides, consumerism the West hasn't been consumerist since the 90s. If you want to see consumerism, go to the middle east. As for "enslaved to our desires", well I can guarantee that whatever "desires" you may have (I doubt you have much if you are like most westerners) have much less control over you than a hungry man's. They "succumb" to nihilism by default because when you're starving you realise how superfluous all morals are. Even your patronising bullshit is proof of how spoiled you are.

>>1556408
Yes.
>>1556431
sure.
>>1556466
Struck a nerve?
I'm guessing you didn't live under Communist oppression in Eastern Europe?
Morals are built ten times stronger in men who face challenge.
You sound like someone who is ashamed of their decadence, you should be.
You've never been hungry, I can tell because you speak of it as the worst fate a man can suffer.
Try going 3 weeks with nothing living in a flat on the bloc.
You'll realize that virtue is all you have left and you guard it dearly.

Decadent self loathing Westerner.

>>1556466
>Poverty isn't noble
Those with nothing find happiness in the smallest things.
I think you're just a shitty human being.
Those with plenty go crazy when they lose it.
Perhaps you've been homeless and lost material property, try being born without it.
The gnaw of hunger is still the gnaw of decadence when the wealthy lose their wealth.

>>1556530
>I'm guessing ...Eastern Europe?
No but I know many who did. I also highly doubt you're old enough to have done that.

>Morals are built ... who face challenge.
Bollocks. You've obviously never spent time around actually poor people. And no, Eastern Europe isn't poor. I've spent months in Eastern Europe. It's fine.

Everyone should spend some time in poverty, I do think it helps with perspective and it helps to make you a more generous and empathetic person. But that only works if you find some sort of sustainable living afterwards.

>You... decadence
I'm not decadent and neither is the average westerner. Like I said the most decadent place I've been is the middle-east, Lebanon in particular. I spent the same day talking to Syrian refugees with literally nothing and rich lebs who would spit on them from their sports cars.

>You've never... a man can suffer.
I have, it's not the worst fate obviously, but it puts things into perspective pretty quickly. Any sense of shame or modesty is the first to go, I used to pick breadcrusts from the bottoms of bins in public and laugh at the people who stared at me. Respect for property goes next, trespassing, stealing etc. Note that this goes two ways, people will start to respect you less and less.

>Try ... bloc.
I think a year without a flat or a block is worse than 3 weeks with your family and friends. I can't say though, the worst houses I've lived in, while being squalid, half-built mould ridden shitholes with no heating, were in the countryside, so I don't know the commie experience.

>You'll realize ... it dearly.
Or you'll turn into a junkie, alcoholic wife beating retard. It goes both ways.

>Decadent self loathing Westerner.
Western culture is the best that has ever existed. I'm far from self-loathing. The faggot I was replying to would lose his "noble savage" bullshit pretty quickly the first time some third world kid pulls a knife on him.

>>1556530
You must be retarded. Poverty is the mother of crime.

>>1555395
Why don't you help starving children?

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>>1556530

>sure

what did he mean by this?

Starving children? That would imply God allowed them to survive infancy. What I want to know is why would God not prevent the rape of a baby? Or not help a newborn left in a dumpster? Those seem more like questions that I want answered.

>>1556129
>muh free will

t. Plantinga

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Why doesn't OP help starving children?

>>1555395
Why should god take responsibility for someones else selfish actions. If you can't feed'em don't breed'em

>atheists first question he thinks reks religion
every time

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>>1557302
The adherents of a "loving God" everyone

When they aren't covering for their absentee sky Daddy with lame excuses, they put the onus of all sin onto Man's shoulders to resolve. Okay I'll feed the children myself. So then why do I need God?

>>1557328
>he thinks the problem of evil isn't an enormous challenge for theism

>>1557395
it's not at all, actually

>>1557403
Yeah it is, or else there would have been a satisfying answer by now instead of cop outs like "this is the best of all worlds" (lol) or "we just don't know God's plan bro" (lmao)

>>1556107
You do know that with the exception of north Africa, Africa is deeply Christian. Joseph Kony is the leader of a Christian terror group

>>1557403
It is. Even Christian apologists openly admit this.

Do people on this board actually believe in God or is it just a meme?

>>1555395

blacks have a lot of corruption and lack of infrastructure, also they breed like crazy off UN food rations

>>1555402
So God is an ends justify the means kinda guy.

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>mfw christcucks have no answer to the problem of evil other than skeptical theism, which is literally an academic version of the "God works in mysterious ways" meme

>>1556731
No, desperation is the mother of crime.
>>1557093
You're correct to a degree.
>>1556568
Continue to doubt.
I put in time at the local mission specifically because I know it makes their day when you look them in the eyes and treat them like humans. They find genuine happiness.
>the average westerner is not decadent
You do realize our entire society is based around acquiring material wealth? We are the definition of decadence.
People do respect you less and less, in a Western Materialistic society.....
It does put things into perspective, fortunately humans posses an innate morality within them and this is what they cling to when times get tough.
Watch "Chuck Norris vs Communism" to see what I mean.
>you turn into an addict or abuser
Let me guess, this mostly occurs when wealth is lost and not when one is born into a society where wealth is scare....
Western Culture is the best, however it is taking a sharp nosedive. Material wealth does not create happiness nor does it generate virtue.
Western Culture has lost its courage and thus its virtue, thus the loss of wealth (a fate almost as bad as death in Western eyes) makes men mad, makes them desperate.
Men who are born into poverty are far better off because everything they receive from then on is akin to a divine gift.
There was no noble savage. It was only the supposition that challenge builds character, in line with the old adage "Soft land breeds soft men."
In hardship you find far more interesting and complex characters, forged by challenge.
Most third world kids would turn violent when they take on the Western mindset of materialism.
Even here you posit that the "losing his bullshit" because he is faced with death is legitimate.
You are viewing it through a materialist lens, to materialists, death being the end of gain is truly the worst fate of all.
To one who is not a materialist, death is just another path, one that we all must take.

>>1557692
>mfw only atheists see evil as a problem and then push their morality but when questioned instantly backpeddle to subjectivism

>>1557764
>christcucks pretend the problem of evil doesn't exist while spending 2000 years laboriously thinking up theodicies

>>1557395
>for theism

Nah.

Only for people who think god is necessarily "good".

>>1555402
That doesn't sound evil to you?

>>1558012
naw. he misterious Senpai

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LARPagans and fedoras, move to Africa to be with your kind. Even China knows Christ is Lord.

>>1557760
>Most third world kids would turn violent when they take on the Western mindset of materialism.
The fuck you talking about retard? Aborigen clans fight eachother and even cannibalized just fine without western influence. In fact before "civilization" that you seem to be so quick to damn that was the standard. Kill or be killed.

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>>1557856
Read Ecclesiastes you spergy nigger.

Because there's no "god"


Man created "god", I'm sorry to burst your religious bubble.

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>>1558073
wtf we're all africans now

>>1558069
Not an argument

What I notice is Christians trivializing suffering, since they can't actually provide a good explanation, and it's frankly more disgusting

>"Well, erm, yes, many people suffer..."
>"Why would God allow this? B-Because, well... let's see... Oh, because suffering is actually GOOD! It's a gift given from God that only we can experience! That's it!"
t.the privileged Christian living in the West who has never experienced poverty or starvation in his life and the hardest moment of his day is deciding what to order for lunch

>>1558081
You have to be over 18 to post on 4chan, son.

>>1558069
Is that before or after Ecclesiastes implies that there is no afterlife?

>>1558085
>everyone that has ever been christian is rich
Death is too good for some of you.

>>1555395

Population control.

>>1558093
Being rich and not being under extreme suffering are different things. Also just because the human psyche turns to god when all other options run out just for the 1% chance it's true it doesn't make it true.

>>1558104
Being a fool does not belay that death is too good for you.

>>1558091

"under the sun" 27 TIMES

That's how many times it says "under the sun".

Maybe it's serious.

>>1555395

They're better off than you are.

You don't know that, because you're an idiot.

>>1558085
Romans 5
And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; and perseverance, character; and character, hope. Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

We deal with suffering.

Jesus suffered more than humanity, collectively, and you don't give a fig about that.

>>1558139
>My proof is something that some dude in my book said.
It doesn't work that way buddy. Also a lot of people just cave in and die when "in tribulations" so it obviously doesn't always produce hope. It sometimes produces death. Sometimes that death leads to sorrow and suicide.
>Jesus suffered more than humanity, collectively,
What did you use to measure this suffering?

Clearly these starving africans play the same role of jesus, in that their only role in life is to suffer for our spiritual benefit
Just typing that disgusts me, and I can say all sorts of shit with a straight face

>>1557395
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>>1557605
>>1558085

In this particular case, they mostly suffer due to Western egotism and the money-worshiping systems it has created. If you actually want a neat answer, human egotism and the worship of money - the root of all human evil - could very well be reconciled with any number of divine models.

But it's amazing how "the problem of evil" is ascribed to GOD instead of man. Especially in the current state of affairs where it's in the power of the people asking these dumb fuck questions to save literally everyone on Earth from starvation but they don't want to.

wow such god so evil much demiurge WOW

>Jesus suffered more than humanity, collectively

Highly unlikely and idiotic.

>>1558180

>Clearly these starving africans play the same role of Westerners, in that their only role in life is to suffer for our material benefit

That God, man, I tell ya...

>>1558190
Jesus is suffering in hell right now paying for your sins.

>>1558170
>It doesn't work that way buddy
>you have to appeal to my specific emotions and higher intellect, so that means a science book written by science-y people, like Magic Space Nigger

>i support an atheism-based system that spends astronomic amounts of resources, astronomic amounts of wasted resources, AND an astronomic amount of waste in order to provide me with cyclical ego-boosting rubbish and counterfeit social capital at the expense of whole continents where looking like a fucking skeleton is frighteningly common
>checkmate christians!

>>1558183
>it's a "christcuck pretends natural evil doesn't exist" episode

>>1558170
The infinite capacity of God to suffer.

The taking on personally of all of the sins of all of mankind, suffering the wrath of God on all of them, and dying with all of them on Him.

Paid in Full.

>>1558217
>blaming atheists for poverty

0/10

Because he's an arsehole.

>>1558538
Atheism is jewish. Christianity isn't.

>>1558561
>da joos

>>>/pol/

>>1555395
>asking tired old questions
>2016

>>1555395
>Everyone is happy, and there is no suffering
>Being believing in God gives you perfect success.
>The world is a test of fait
Anon please.

>>1555931
isnt god omniscient tho

>>1556129
this is the only right answer

>>1558567
For people that supposedly like facts, fedoras are very afraid of the ones that are against their narrative.

there is a minimum of two possibe answers on OPs question:
1. there is no God
or if you believe in God..
2. we are in hell and the preachers are devils

>>1558771
Or gee, maybe we live on a fallen earth where the devil is worshiped as god. Maybe that.

And maybe God said He would clean up everything, and bring everyone who wanted to go with Him to a new heaven, and a new earth.

Gee, maybe that.

>>1555402
>>1558012
>>1558018
....and you've stumbled on a jim jeffries skit

"don't fuck another man's wife then claim to be mysterious!"

>>1558811
Then God would have to be some kind of colossal piece of shit.

>>1558840
Satan was the piece of shit responsible, senpai. You worship him, though, so he dindu nuffin.

>>1558811
ahahahahahahaha......!!! you're nuts..

God bless..

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>>1556223
These are not my words:

>ἡμῖν εἷς θεὸς ὁ πατήρ, ἐξ οὗ τὰ πάντα kαὶ ἡμεῖς εἰς αὐτόν, kαὶ εἷς kύριος Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, δι' οὗ τὰ πάντα kαὶ ἡμεῖς δι' αὐτοῦ.

>>1555395
They'll enter God's kingdom sooner and don't have to deal with this shitty earth too long

>god
>anthropocentric

do not pass go

>>1558012
God is the highest good so that can't be evil.

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>>1555395
Not enough likes ion his Facebook Page.

>>1558050
Did I say all of them were non-violent?
I was speaking of violence in the context of stealing and murder.
I doubt those aboriginal clans were anarchists at heart....
Use your brain.
>>1557856
Not an argument, lol.
>>1558073
>no proof in sight
ok, I'll keep thinking what I keep thinking and you can keep committing categorical fallacies.
>>1558085
>trivialize suffering because they have no explanation
Suffering makes men.
As iron sharpens iron.
Yes, of course a privileged westerner is going to have a hard time understanding poverty.
But do you remember how much harder it is for a rich man to go to heaven than a poor man?
We as westerners have this paradigm about being poor that its somehow the worst thing in the world, in a society that is materialistic this is true.
In a society that values happiness and contentment not by the means of greed or satisfaction of desire (take for instance Ethiopian christians) poverty is a non-issue, this life is not the only one.
Suffering is actually good, after any major war you'll see that societies take instant leaps in virtue.
Look at the 50s America, the model of the American dream, the origins of the civil rights.
One of the greatest times in this amazing country, right after a huge war.
It only stopped when we stopped caring about the wars and took soldiers and what they do for granted.
>>1558104
>the human psyche turns to god
Studies show it actually turns away from god when the going gets tough, just saying.
Its probably the nihilism pervasive in modern christianity, but ok, continue to explain away anything you don't like.
Why pursue truth?
No, really, if there is no god, wouldn't it better to believe there is?
I mean, there has never once been a secular society (historically) that has survived, all the religious ones, well, they dominated the world.
>>1558215
>>1558215
this.
>>1558715
this too.
>>1558771
I think I just cut myself on your edge.

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there is no evidence for the existence of any supernatural beings
even if such a being exists there is no evidence for it being good or bad to humans, there is no reason to believe that it would even care about humans

as such scientifically there is no reason to believe in any religious theory as they provide no proof other than emotional or personal "inner experiences", as such if you believe in the existence of a god or truthfulness of a religion you are either highly gullible, emotional or just flat out stupid

*tips fedora*

>>1556129
or he could, you know, create a world without scarcity in the first place?

>>1558977

So then they're even more corrupt!

Devil! Devil!

>>1560715
>there is no evidence for the existence of any supernatural beings

Citation fucking needed

>>1560787
A citation for nothing? What evidence do you propose for the supernatural?

>>1560756
>what is the garden of eden

i'll continue with the category and pick misunderstood bible for 400 alex

>>1560787
How exactly would you cite "There is no evidence for X"?

>>1555395
lol dont you get it anon, its free will and shit

>>1558206
Wrong. He's sitting on his heavenly chair watching me masturbate.

>>1555395

Because there is no god

>>1555395
>implying that a god exists

get outta here kid

>>1555395

They are there so that people can find kindness in their hearts and give them things, while they are being tested on not growing entitleness out of the free stuff they recieve.

>>1555395
Because he's not a moral entity, i guess.

He does. Just not black ones. No one likes blacks, even God

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>"only the poor can be saved, poverty is pious"
>"we need to eradicate poverty"

>"suffering is good"
>"we need to alleviate the sufferings of the poor"

They're so spooked, and all the while they're being logically inconsistent. Literally "muh feels".

>>1562922
>>"we need to eradicate poverty"

That's atheists who still believe in Modernity's promise of progress. Remember, Christ said, "The poor you will have with you always." Poverty isn't going away until the Second Coming.

>>1559034
>This level of reasoning.

I am the highest good so next time I rape your sister you'll know I'm not evil for doing it, because [hopefully] another anon will have told you I am the highest good!

>>1560139
severely underrated comment

>>1562930

topkek

yeah lets just give them bibles

>>1562930
So gommunism is the second coming of Christ.

>>1562930
Why has poverty decreased so much since society has become more secular, in that case?

When is the second coming, by the way haven't people been predicting it's arrival since Paul was spreading the word of the Gospel?

>>1562956
Well, Bibles will help them get to Heaven when they die, so yes, that's actually a great idea.

>>1555479
i hope that bird shits in her mouth

>>1562960
We don't know when the Second Coming is. Jesus says it will come like a thief in the night.

Also, are you so sure poverty has truly decreased?

>>1562965

Yes food to live < bibles of fairy tales

>>1562979
They're not fairy tales, Anon, that's the entire point.

This is a gulf that really can't be breached, can it? You assume the Bible is false. I assume the Bible is true. From these two contrary positions we construct totally opposite worldviews. There's no talking to be done between us.

>>1562990

Let's give the people the option of choosing food or bibles.

In fact lets put you in the position where you must give up either the bible or food. I think we all know what you would choose.

>>1557235
>muh
When people say """muh""" WTF are you trying to say???
Explain your argument cause I'll just leave the argument assuming I had better reason for my opinions .

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>>1562975
nigga are you being serious? Europe has always been the heartland of Christianity, although not it's roots, but lets focus on it.

Pic related would be what the majority of people in England in the 1000s would be living in. Most of the people living in huts such as these, would be villeins which are basically the same thing as surfs. They would be slaves, with no power whatsoever and would serve the lord of the manor until they do they fucking died. These guys were at the bottom of the pyramid.

Now, let's compare these conditions to that of someone living in a council estate in england today. Well actually they're free, so why not a prison cell?

>http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/secondary/prison-cell-321439.jpg

Seems a lot better to me...

>yfw you realised that the devil was the good guy all along

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>>1563016
This

>>1555395
Well whether he exists or not, maybe if he is real, he's just doing it teach us how to help one another?

>>1563002
"Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God."