Traditional Conservatism

>>1542994
>to this day the USA stands as an exceptional city on a hill of Liberty and the Rigths of citizens
The city is rotting and its own people are advocating for the destruction of their own rights and for more and larger government.

>>1542998

the USA is far from finished
there is still hope

>>1543002
The West is declining and nothing is going to stop the status quo from breaking down.

>>1543006

it happened before
we're still on top

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>>1542994
>start a thread about traditional conservativism
>posts some of the original leftists

>Democracy and Freedom
freedom is an ideal that should never have been created. Freedom brings degeneracy, and degeneracy brings destruction. The farther we move away from superior systems featuring emperors and kings, the closer we get to being destructive degenerates ourselves. MUH FREEDOM

Democratic participation cannot and will not scale beyond the local level without mercantile oligarchs exploiting it as a means of influence and control.

>>1543012

/pol/ please

>>1543013

/leftypol/ please

>>1543010
When did it happen though? I don't know of a single case where the decline of decadent, peaceful and succesful state was stopped.

>>1543016

>Free Market
>leftism

top kek lad m8

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>>1543012
gotta agree with you mein redpilled bruder

we need a true autocrat to save the west from the degeneracy is ist in right now geschaften bin ich deus vault

>>1543019
compared to feudalism? it is

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Anyone else seeing the extreme inconsistency of Conservatism(as in the normal burkean kind) with most notions of a traditionalist utopia.

If normal conservatism holds the argument that humans are scum trash in the material plane, who will never amount to a greater way of living, doesn't that oppose the vision of a perfect society where there is no need for individual aggression to one another, because we would all be working towards a greater goal and everyone would know their place. Basically isn't the logical end-game of conservatism an ordered society, mostly money-less like communism, but without sexual fidelity and and endless want of leisure?

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>>1543017

>doesn't even know basic History

damn nigga

>>1543023
>If normal conservatism holds the argument that humans are scum trash in the material plane

No it doesn't

>asically isn't the logical end-game of conservatism an ordered society, mostly money-less like communism, but without sexual fidelity and and endless want of leisure?

Depends on what your traditions are.

>>1543002
The USA is finished, since it's extremely rootless. The actual problem is that the USA isn't finished with the world.

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>>1543024
Are you perhaps implying the decline of Western Rome was stopped?

>>1543024
>tfw when God Emperors Trump, Orban and Putin start banning abortion and giving man back their rights over their children

Can't wait for the neo-augustus policies.

>>1543022

>Free Market is more leftist than a protectionist economy shackled by social castes and controlled by Guilds

how can there be people this retarded?

OP STOP WITH YOUR FUCKING CLASSICAL LIBERAL BULLSHIT

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CONSERVATISM

FUCKING BURKE HELP ME IF YOU POST THIS SHIT AGAIN

>>1543030
not him but are you implying "degeneracy" was the cause for its fall?

>>1543027
>No it doesn't

It was literally the main argument Burke uses against the french utopians and their fever dreams about new society and equality. Society should not be based on new metaphysical contracts, when we already have a society with roots.

>Depends on what your traditions are

I am pretty sure all abrahamic religions have this, if you toned down the conquest parts of Islam.

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>>1543036

Do you even read Marx? Even Marx wrote that capitalism comes after feudalism, before socialism and communim

>>1543041
Well, kind off.
>Having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline:
>Lacking some property, order, or distinctness of structure previously or usually present, in particular.

>>1543046

>control
>the many

fuck off /leftypol/
leftism and marxism is just another form of authoritarianism

>>1543049
>tfw i get called pol then leftypol in a few posts

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>>1543046
>The trend of history
>All societies invariably end in communism
Gotta love this cultural Marxism.

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>>1543057
>Gotta love this cultural Marxism.
thats actually economic marxism.

Cultural marxism is degeneration of culture

>>1543057

>we want a classless society
>so let's create a society of a All-Powerfull Political Class and the powerless plebs
you gotta love leftists

>>1543061
That's not the idea though, it's simply what tends to occur. Most political ideologies rely on utopistic situations.

>>1543063
shut the fuck up you retard cuck

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>>1543068
I come here to have some modicum of civilized discussion and actual arguments. Please take yourself back to /pol/.

>>1543070
You do realise /his/ is fucking owned by /pol/?

Fuck off to your hugbox

>>1543063
> a phase of dictatorship of the proletarian is not part of the idea

Please anon. The good thing is that said dictatorship always brings back traditionalist elements back to the dialectic, thus stopping the path to communis. China and Russia are a great example of this. How else can a russian praise monarchs, Stalin and Putin all at once.

>>1543080
/pol/cucks think they own every board, but just like most of their nonsensical assertions, this isn't true. Go rant about your in-depth knowledge of cuckolding elsewhere, homo.

>>1542994
>Free Market

The mindless worship of free marketism in modern conservatism is a relic of the Cold War that really needs to be dropped, if conservatives want to be anything except "liberals for lower taxes and more wars"

>>1543128

>freedom must be droped

commie scum

>>1543060

>environmentalism is some conspiracy

lmao enjoy your polluted shithole

>>1543133
Communism and Capitalism have the same disgusting end-game. Kill yourself angloscum.

>>1543138
>Communism and Capitalism have the same disgusting end-game.
>a totalitarian doctrine that pursues a World government has the same end-game as the free trade of goods and services by Trading Nations

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>>1543153
But a world of frictionless commerce overseen by global institutions is the current endgame of capitalism

>>1543153
>TPP isn't the world government in-making

Please anon. Hillary and the other liberal scum(they are social-liberals not marxists) do represent Global Capitalism and there is nothing you can say about that, apart from the usual rethoric of X hasn't been tried properly.

>>1543156
>>1543160

who the fuck is defending TTIP?
that's not free trade

>>1543172
Just because it's part of american imperialism, doesn't mean it's not free trade. Free Trade will initially always help the already powerful Nations.

We live in intredasting times.

I feel like this is different to the rest of history, because now we can ALL interact with each other, and nationalistic pride is no longer that common amongst people/it only exists to hate people from elsewhere that they don't like.

History is ours to examine, and yet I have to wonder what people will think say, a couple hundred years down the line?

What wars will they speak of? The ones where developed countries have campaigns against unorganized militias in third world shitholes?

Are there any great leaders? Will there be any great conflict that marks this century?

I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I feel like the place for such "crazy" things like the Soviet Union or the Reich or any crazy shit is over. I feel like now, our "history" will be dull.

>>1543440

>muh citizen of the world
>muh arbitrary borders
>muh nationalism is for stupid people

/leftypol/ please