What's the oldest lie in history?

Religion.

The world being spherical has survived since the Greeks.

>>1538265
That women are people.

>>1538277
>>1538303
>>1538314
>>1538319

I fucking hate this board

>>1538265
i'm not gonna cum inside

>>1538265
ego

>>1538323
Assuming this is not bait better answers and more founded answers can be found on yahoo answers. This board used to be somewhat quality even in its shitposts but now it's just a spillover of pol and r9k

authority

>>1538320
He-heyy, /r/eddit!
How's your day, huh?

>>1538335
>authority

What do you mean?

>>1538320
>t.spherist cuck

>>1538334
Create shit thread, get shit replies. Not sure what you've been expecting, this is entirely your fault.

>>1538265
Probably the control of information by states.

An old frail king can control worldly ambitious lords by constantly monitoring them and testing them, sending agents posing as frenchmen to offer them bribes, seeing if they are willing to give up power they have been delegated and such. All this prevents them from negotiating with others, particularly those that will be sent to put them down if they rebel.

>>1538345
>Create shit thread, get shit replies.

I'm OP and I really care what you believe is the oldest lie in history.

>>1538338
any justification for being in a position of authority is complete and utter bullshit.

>>1538265
Pagan here and I vote for "BECAUSE GOD SAID SO"

>>1538265
"It's not you, it's me" or "I have a boyfriend".

santa
stork baby story
"i have a headache"
he/she is just a friend
"i'm just going out with friends"

Equality fraternity freedom

>>1538461
>LARPer here and I vote for "BECAUSE GOD SAID SO"
FTFY

>>1538265
That power is an ascent

Also, that Ashkenazi Jews are semites.

>>1538265
"No, I really am 18"

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>>1538547

All religious people are LARPers. LARPing in the context of religion has become an utterly meaningless term

>>1538265

"It wasnt me!"

>>1538265
irish people are white

>>1538320
Are you saying that Egyptian polytheism is legit?

>>1538265

"Yes, I'm sure you're the father."

>>1538265
Lolcaust

>>1538265
Common goodness

Now that the revolution is over, I'll take over just to guard you guys

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>>1538265
>The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!

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>>1539419
>Implying the evidence doesn't suggest the current form of the universe started like a massive explosion.

Originating from Atum's orgasm. I call this the big fap hypothesis.

>>1538504
Santa isn't an old story, americlap.

Sky faeries

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>>1539545

It kind of is

>>1538265
progress exists

"it gets better"

>>1538265
WE WUZ KANGS

Civil war was about rights of black people...

>>1539765
>Less than two centuries ago
>Oldest lie in history

>>1538265

That being good and faithful to your tribe is more important than intelligence.

That's the dark lie of human society.

Religion by far.

>>1538265
That you don't have a s m a l l b e n i s :DDD

>>1538265
Granny's peach tea

>>1538320
go back to tumblr

"Just the tip baby. Just to see how it feels"

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>>1538265
"Just be yourself"

>>1539921
"Blacks are people"

>>1538265
"It gets better"

>>1540073

This.

It is so deeply rooted in every culture of the world that every bit of ancient art shows some kind of religiosity, some sense that things greater than ourselves exist. It is one of the oldest, strongest and most psychologically-needed lies in the history of the human race, in the history of self-awareness and self-consciousness.

It’s like Kubrick said:

>”The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent”

Even to this day most people can’t endure the burden to walk through life without the aid of some kind of faith or hope that they might yet bloom into a new form of existence, or awake into a new world of peace and pleasure, or be united with the whole of the universe and somehow feel the joy of just existing. The same goes for the question of meaning: it is hard to explain to most people that they don’t have any value except for the false one, the synthetic one that what we humans create for ourselves, and that nature doesn’t give a damn about us. In the same morning that hundreds of Jews were gassed-down, burned into dust and puffed into oblivion the sun kept shining and the birds kept singing; in the same night that Cartago was ruined, raped and shattered the moon kept smiling in the sky: there is no commotion or even a mere wink or micro muscular spasm in Nature for any of our glories or miseries.

I myself, although all the logic, rationalism and observation in the world tell me that there is no life after death, still have in my brain ashamed vestiges of hope: it is stronger than myself this need to be deluded that you can still keep existing after you are gone and the universe dies in unimaginable extremes of heat or cold or entropy or darkness.

>>1540272

You assume people wear religion as a lie as opposed to experiencing something in their phenomenology that expresses itself like a "god"/"presence".

Look, one time I was homeless and took sertaline. It calmed me down but it took away any weight emotions had on my decision-making (BAD. no really, you want to be able to say "this sucks"). Also I wanted to trip on psychs and the sertaline/zoloft would prevent that. So I stopped taking it.

For two weeks I tripped balls. Not crazy crazy but I'd wake up in the morning and everything would have a golden tinge and it seemed like a voice was calling out saying "this is a kingdom I give to my children".

If you've grown up with the feeling of a presence and assholes are telling you "oh yeah this is what this presence said!", I understand how ferocious you could be in defending something which seems obvious and truthful to thy own phenomenology.

>>1538265
That people act for reasons they can explain.

>>1538265
Use your knowledge of good and evil to do good, and avoid evil, and thus be like God.

That's the first lie, and most of you are going to hell believing it.

>>1538265
That Jesse Eisenberg can act.

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That the romans was white. Nah nigga they was black. You see the first romans was ruled by kings who was black. Tarquinius superbus the last black king of rome was overthrown by the whiteys who ruled rome for a couple of centuries. Until sulla the great black general overthrew the whiteys and exterminated them in the social war. Now blacks was running rome again and a whitey wasnt seen in the region again until it was sacked by alaric and the whiteys eventually killed or sent the black romans to africa. Julius caesar was black

The Devil

>>1541643
What a meme u are

>>1538320
Upvote omg so right

>>1542169
You have to go back.

>>1538360
what you believe in does not change the fact that your question is fucking retarded

it's like making a thread about what grain of sand hit the beach first. It's a dumb question that in the wording tries to establish that there actually is a lie that was uttered first and lying is not a phenomenon that gradually got to where it is now. Not only is it absolutely pointless to try and pinpoint a single moment in where a human being tried to communicate a false piece of information, it's also impossible. Not only because it would be utterly impossible to give any evidence of such an event but more so because it would completely rely on a personal opinion in what constitutes as a 'lie'. There are thousands, if not millions of different lies that all slowly manifested at the same time the moment we were smart enough to think of them. The first lies are any lies you can think of that would be applicable to a hunter/gatherer society, i.e. "I didnt take your shit", "I definitely went out and tried to find food", "i didnt take a shit behind your tent".

Basically, your thread is fucking stupid.

>>1538265
History

the group is worth more than the individual

>>1541435
That those explanations are an expression of free will is more like it tbhimo

>sorry, that was my last piece of gum
An equally unoriginal alternative:
>It is good to suffer

>>1541278
if you can't test it then it holds no truth content

morality is another thing, but any "religion" that makes claims about the material world are total bullshit regardless of what crazy people claim to experience

"Not tonight honey, I have a headache."

That capeshit can be good.

>>1539416
>"It wasnt me!"

underrated

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>>1540190
Individualism is relatively new, tho.

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>>1539417
>>>1538265 (OP)
>irish people are white
Beggorah its like another famine

>>1542572
>"Not tonight honey, I have a headache."

Fun fact: sex is the best way to get rid of a headache (I mean for women).

If the girl likes / loves you, headache won't be a problem.

t. ex-normie

>>1538265

progress

>>1538325
This

>>1538320
You're welcome to leave, unless you good a selfie with zeus and athena stashed away somewhere.

>>1538332
Underrated

hebrews in pharonic egypt.
the bible is to be treated like fan fiction except the self-serving portions.

>>1538332
really good mr.!

>>1538265
History itself

If you don't mean the oldest continuous lie, probably something like "uhh no I totally don't have any food stashed away to share".

>>1538486
>or "I have a boyfriend".
What's this one usually translate to

>>1538265
"I promise this is your child."

Cuckoldry might just be the oldest sin and the primary reason for civilization.

>>1541462
Lmao wut. Explain pls, this sounds juicy.

probably history itself

>>1540272
Bretty good

>>1538265
aparently whites are just ostrocised & segregated albino niggers given their marching orders that eventually coagulated into proto pre celts in north west euro
dunno if its the oldest biggest, or true ?

>>1538454
>im stronger than anyone else so i rule over them

Is this bullshit?

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>>1538265
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/White_people.htm

that aside, still full of interesting/fascinating info

>>1538320
Woah.

*slow claps*

>>1538265
i din du nuffin.

>>1538265
"I don't believe in God"

Armenian genocide.

>>1538314
Do you suffer from brain damage?
Or are you just being snarky?

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>>1541643
Liar.
Liar.
Liar.

Stupid idiot.

Shitposting faggot.

>"Did you have snoo snoo with Bunga?"
>"No, me was berry picking"

>>1544528
Watch Patterns of evidence.

>>1549339
this

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori

>>1549530
Have you read the poem with this Horace verse as title, by Wilfred Owen? One of the best poems I know.

>>1538265
The oldest lie is that there is human agency.

>>1548747
>berry picker as fuck

>>1538325
holy shit. This!

>>1538265
The actual genuine answer is probably saying "danger!" when there is no danger

>>1538461
if you're a pagan then you believe it's 'because god's said so.'

How is that any better?

>>1539978
what? That's comparing apples to oranges. No one ever said this historically any way.

>>1540073
too fucking vague.

>>1549619
Yeah it's great. Pretty much why I posted it
>The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
>Pro patria mori

>>1540272
religion is too vague a term for what you're describing. The biggest lie people tell themselves is that conscious beings (Gods, kings, etc) have control over our fate. When all evidence points to none of use having any agency whatsoever.

>>1542528
actually, you 100% wrong. We are all the product of the evolution of populations. Without the group, the individual would not exist.

>>1542557
often time I'd say morality is not a lie, as much as a preference. Of course the belief in universal, natural, morals is a falsity in many cases.

>>1549661
>all evidence points to none of use having any agency whatsoever.

Now you're the one being vague

>>1549673
Evolution is driven by competition within groups, not between them

>>1549721
yes, and there is a biological term called Group selection, where evolutionary pressures apply at the level of competing populations, not individuals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_selection

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>>1549712

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5975778/scientific-evidence-that-you-probably-dont-have-free-will

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will/480750/

https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/09/25/no-you-dont-have-free-will-and-this-is-why/

>>1549796
Group selection is literally a meme. If it exists at all it is far weaker than normal selection

>>1549814
*citation needed....

I love you.

Billy Jean is not my lover

>>1549847
From your own source
"The great majority of evolutionary biologists believe (2011) that selection above the level of the individual is a special case, probably limited to the unique inheritance system (involving haplodiploidy) of the eusocial Hymenoptera such as honeybees, which encourages kin selection"

Group selection simply doesnt make sense evolutionarily outside of specific cases of kin selection

>>1538265
the money is on the dresser

>>1549870
I never claimed it was otherwise.

>>1549887
So unless we are talking about bees or ants, group selection is not a thing that exists, and even then its really kin selection operating on the same mechanism as normal

>>1549905
dude, no. not at all. it is one type evolution among a suite of phenomena. It's not an all-or-nothing proposition. Reality is not that neat and tidy.

>>1538335
Authority clearly isn't a lie when you can make people coerce other people into doing things

>>1539419
Kek exists. It's been proven countless times by post numbers

>>1549917
Groups do not compete. Genes compete. A gene that promotes group fitness at the expense of individual fitness does not spread. The only exception is in the eusocial animals and possibly to a very limited extent in less social animals

>>1549966
nonsense.

Why is the majority of the american continents populated by people with genes originating from Western Europe?

Because the population in Europe survived multiple plagues originating from Eurasia. The natives in the Americas had no inherited resistance to these plagues, and died off EN MASSE when they came into contact with Europeans.

The conceit that 'genes are selfish' is just a semantic argument westerners use to avoid appearing racist. Fortunately, we don't have to put up with that shit.

>>1550086
That isnt group selection you fucking moron, thats individual selection. Group selection is when traits that improve the fitness of the group as a whole are selected for, in your example it was standard selection of traits benefiting individual fitness

>>1550123
No, sorry. You're definition is wrong, again.

From Doublas J. Futuyma's Evolution, 3rd edition:

>"Group Selection: The differential rate of origination or extinction of whole populations on the basis of differences among them in one or more characteristics."

Have you even taken a biology class at the college level?

>>1538486
No, it's "I never do this."

>>1550265
That guy is agreeing with me, which you would understand if you had a basic grasp of evolution. Group selection is evolution acting on the level of the group rather than on the individual, and the case you gave is not an example of that

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>>1542499
And just like that, OP was BTFO forever and never checked back on his piece of shit thread. Good job anon, you essentially got the trashcan lids and banged them together to scare off the raccoons.

>>1550395
Sorry I'm going to have to go with Doublas J Futuyma on this one.

The extinction of a whole population (north american native Americans) on the basis of specific characteristics (lack of genetic immunity to Eurasian pathogens) resulted in a differentiation in the rate of European population versus native american (euro pop in Americas goes up, native america pop goes down).

Is that clear?

>>1550438
No, because thats not what happened or how it works, you absolute fucking moron. Seriously actually read a textbook rather than cherry picking a quote you think backs you up.

As far as any of that counts as evolution at all it was normal individual selection. But hey, if you want to butcher biological concepts to make them fit sociological events, then I cant stop you

Also once again, Futuyama is agreeing with me, you just lack the understanding to realise it

>>1538265
"I didn't do that" or something to that effect

I have a question which might seem dumb and isn't worth its own thread

In Greek Mythology, does the fact that children begotten of Gods exhibiting extraordinary abilities mean that the Greeks had an understanding of heredity? I was under the assumption heredity was generally unknown until Gregor Mendel.

>>1550482
sure sure. explain your perspective then. Or did you only learn name calling in school?

>>1550506
Well, its been known since ancient times that "big strong man gives big strong son." Genes and the specifics of heredity are recent, but the basics of inherited traits are very, very old.

It would be hard for people to look at a father and son who look almost the same and think "huh, must be coincidence."

>>1538265

dulce et decorum est pro patria mori

>I know what happens when you die

>>1550482

And that IS what happened. Approximately 90% of the native american population died out from diseases before even making contact with European colonists:

Cook, Noble David. Born To Die; Cambridge University Press ;1998; pp. 1-14.

>>1550521
but it is you faggot

>>1550530
>Approximately 90% of the native american population died out from diseases

Staggering. It's unfortunate they didn't leave behind writings to document the apocalypse unfolding before their eyes.

>>1550552
word man. shit was fucked up.

>>1550512
Each individual native american was competing with other individual native americans., When the colonists actually turned up, they were competing with individual colonists as well. European diseases were just an environmental factor that impacted individual fitness

>>1550591
What ever helps you get to sleep, bro.

>>1550710
I'm confused as to why you think I have some kind of idealistic investment in this?

>>1547347
If you are at the point of "ruling" over people then there is no way you are stronger than everyone. Two guys can take down one no matter how strong he is. Humans just aren't that variable in strength and especially toughness. One good stone to the head is all it takes to end it forever.

>>1539577
Santa on the far left looks so bad ass. We should have kept him that way.

>>1539599
underrated.

I'm a virgin.

a maior mentira é acredita que a autoridade é a verdade quando a verdade é a autoridade

>>1548051
I have yet to see a portrayal of Ceasar better than this guy's.

So fucking good.

>>1539577
Saint Nicolaus -> Santa Claus

>>1538265
God

>>1541278
Oh and the irony is that only priests and spiritual leaders are the ones who experience God, and they forbid anyone else to even claim they done so.

Magic, friendship, and ponies.

>>1551661
Friendship is just a man choosing his family.

>>1538325
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not all of history but from 1960 onwards theres a preety big lie:

"we are all equal"

>>1545831
It means "fuck off I don't want to date you"

"Size doesn't matter"

Yes I'm over 18

>>1551716
The only people who would disagree either dont get how people are equal or have something to lose from it.

Prove me wrong.

>>1544474
zeus is a dick but athena is a royal bitch shes worse than hera