Civilization VI (and other history vidya)

I don't really mind tbqh

I'm just glad it's an interesting "civ"

I mean civ 4 had plenty of fem leaders

besides, who cares? It seems you people just look for things to get triggered over

>>1526988
She doesn't belong in Civ, she's just a paragraph from Herodotus.

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>>1526982
WE WUZ SARMATIANS AND SCYTHIANS N SHIET

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>>1526994
and strabo, polyaenus, cassiodorus, and jordanes

and so what? She's still an interesting character, had Cyrus the Great of all people decapitated

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>>1527007
WE WUZ IRANAINS, PERSIANS N SHIET

>>1527005
Kek.
>Scythians were noble and did no wrong, unlike Asiatic Steppe Nomads.

>>1527017
>Scythians were noble and did no wrong, unlike Asiatic Steppe Nomads

Well that's your opinion man

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>fantasy civ with legendary warrior queen leader

fucking noice
muh dick is ready

>>1527023
Boudica was fun as fuck tbqh

>>1527023
>>1527028
>>1527005
>>1526988
>being this fucking bluepilled

Don't you see what they're doing with this?

They're trying to steal white culture through cultural marxism by making us think fucking WOMEN were capable of being leaders and were responsible for our fucking history.

I fucking laugh at fools like you, but at the same time I pity you for letting our fucking culture crumble.

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>>1527028
They should make a strategy war game and go full anime by making all the leaders cute sexy queens and sorceresses

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>>1527036
Free bonus (You) because I am in a great mood today.

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>>1527036
This isn't even good bait.

Reminder to report and Sage untreated threads

Hatshepsut and Dowager Cixi deserve to be leaders more than this literal fucking who

>>1527063
>Dowager Cixi

literally fucking who

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>>1527036
>They're trying to steal white culture through cultural marxism by making us think fucking WOMEN were capable of being leaders and were responsible for our fucking history.

>I fucking laugh at fools like you

>>1527071
are you the widowmaker avatarfag in the nioh topic as well

cut it out either way

>>1527075
>nioh topic

There's a nioh topic on /his/ ?

>>1526982
Scythians were known for teaching their women how to fight and ride a horse, but they would never allow them to lead.

>>1527017

They weren't Asiatic, but they did use human skin for various things in times of great shortage of materials.

>>1527099
well the massagetae did

>>1527019
I was referring idiots in Central Asian threads that get their panties in a twist whenever someone is saying that the Scythians were bog-standard steppe nomads which did raid & pillage schticks like the rest of em.

>>1527111
no you weren't

>>1526982

~20% of warrior graves of Scythians contain women, if you;re going to have a female leader then Scythia is a perfect place for it.

>>1526982

Why teh fuck do they keep making new factions for Steppe nomads?

They're all the same shit

>>1526982
rule 34 when?

>>1527036
>Scythians
>white

>india will always be stuck with gandhi because of le ebin nuclear meme.

>>1527237
they had Ashoka before

they should have Akbar at some point

So, what does civ 4 have that civ 5 doesn't?

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That feel when my nation will never be in any Civ game.

Civ has been casual shit for a long time so I don't see why everyone is so triggered by bad leader choices, since they've been around since the start.

>>1527261
Unit stacks, good modding community.

>>1527199
Best be trolling, of course they were whites.

>>1527302
I'd like to see your deity credentials, please.

>>1527305
I never understood what people mean by unit stacks.
care to elaborate?
>>1527314
>artificial difficulty

>>1527333
In 4 you could have as many units per tile as you wanted. In 5 you can only have one military unit per tile.

>>1527353
ok thanks. any recommended mods?

>>1527166
none of the others are in this time

>>1527430

Hell Yeah

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>>1526982
>Scythian
>Honorable warrior

THE ETERNAL HORSE ARCHER IS AT IT AGAIN!

>>1527384
If you want vanilla with some nifty ui features and AI improvements, check Better BAT AI
If you want vanilla with some nifty ui features and VASTLY improved AI plus some gameplay changes, check K-Mod
If you want Civ game crossed with grand strategy games, check Rhye's and Fall: Dawn of Civilization
If you want total conversions, check Rise of Mankind: A New Dawn, Caveman2Cosmos (fork of ROM:AND with more shit thrown in), Realism Invictus and last but not least, Fall from Heaven II (fantasy mod with magic and shit)

There's bunch more but this pretty much covers it I think. I'd personally recommend K-Mod, no reason to play vanilla game over it in my opinion.

>>1527284
Feels bad because Israel would be a fun nation. Your settlers being able to set up cities within other countries borders.

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>France leader is Catherine de Medici
>Egypt's leader is Cleopatra
>Now this

At least choose some GOOD female leaders for fuck's sake

>tfw no Olga of Kiev
>tfw no Hatsheput

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>>1527517
>now this

Having Cyrus the Great's head chopped off is cool enough for me

>>1527474
ok, what do you mean by grand strat games crossed with civ, and do any of these require the expansions?

>>1527498
Modern Israel and biblical Judea could be two different factions.

>>1527537
It's a Civ game played on a real world map that progresses more or leas how history happened. For example, if you start in 4000BC there will be Egypt, Babylon and some Indian civ in the whole world but as the game progresses China, Greece and Rome will spawn in their respective location in the world. It's halfway point between randomness of Civilization and historical simulator of Paradox games. Also pretty much all relevant mods require latest version of the game. That's Beyond the Sword expansion, version 3.19.

>>1527517

>france leader is a literal who who didn't rule

lul

>France probably has the largest number of iconic leaders of any country
>pick some irrelevant foreign consort

>>1527526

>mythology is now historical fact

Nice meme

>>1527598
The way they are describing the leader's abilities separate from the Civ abilities and units makes me think that they will have alternate leaders for each civ.

>>1527065
you're an idiot if you don't know about the dowager queen. It's a history board for fucks sake

>>1527601
>the Egyptians were black

Woah dude what kind of stupid shit are you saying

>>1527653

What?

Cyrus wasn't beheaded by some le steppe lady queen. Shit ain't real bitch nigga

>>1527517
>France's leader is Italian again

WHY?

>>1527310
WE

>>1527669
I never claimed mythology was fact, you just strawmanned that to make me look foolish.

You're right though, he wasn't decapitated by her, but on her orders. (whether you believe the information presented by Herodotus or not, I don't see your reasoning for tossing aside the events as mere mythology -- even if they were, the events are associated with her character, and are of enough interest to warrant a role in a video game)

>>1526988
>LEGENDARY queen of Scythia
>that we don't know shit about

SJW need to leave

>>1527776
>muh cartoon videogames y no hitler amirite

>>1527776
>LEGENDARY
Do you not know what legendary means?

She literally is legendary

>that I don't know shit about

ftfy. Not everyone is a pleb who hasn't read Herodotus.

I bet you wouldn't complain if they made Antigonus II Gonatas a leader in civ ya big fanny

>>1527789

>Herodotus

Dohohohohohohoho.

>>1527789
>Not everyone is a pleb who hasn't read Herodotus
Fucking Firaxis why don't Indians get gold digging ants

>>1527840
not an _______

>>1527857
>gold digging ants

You mean marmots?

>French ethnologist Michel Peissel claims that the Himalayan marmot on the Deosai Plateau in Gilgit–Baltistan province of Pakistan, may have been what Herodotus called giant "ants". Much like the province that Herodotus describes, the ground of the Deosai Plateau is rich in gold dust. Peissel interviewed the Minaro tribal people who live in the Deosai Plateau, and they have confirmed that they have, for generations, collected the gold dust that the marmots bring to the surface when digging burrows. The story was widespread in the ancient world and later authors like Pliny the Elder mentioned it in his gold mining section of the Naturalis Historia.

>>1527865

>a marmot looks like a giant ant

Grasping at straws

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>>1527871
>an elephant looking like a donkey

Grasping at straws

>>1527883
Only that clearly looks like a donkey you retard, not to mention that Herodotus wrote ant, didn't draw one.

All in all, kys

>>1527871
>In his book, The Ants' Gold: The Discovery of the Greek El Dorado in the Himalayas, Peissel conjectures that Herodotus may have confused the old Persian word for "marmot" with that for "mountain ant" because he probably did not know any Persian and thus relied on local translators when travelling in the Persian Empire. Herodotus did not claim to have seen the gold-digging "ant" creatures, he stated that he was simply reporting what other travellers told him.

>>1527889
>getting this angry over gold-digging ants

who hurt you?

>>1527891

>grasping at straws

Herodotus the great historian for pioneering the strategy of ignoring actual evidence and making it a good story

>>1527897
>he stated that he was simply reporting what other travellers told him

>>1527891
Exactly the same could be said about this horse negress

>>1527899
yeah but that would be stupid

>>1527891
nice marmot

>>1527776
That's why it's a LEGEND, dumby.

>>1527898

Herodotus has the best sources, his travelling companions, very respectable people from all over the world constantly tell him about whats happening in Persia

We've got this crazy queen and shes beheading Persian kings EVERYWHERE oh they tell "Herodotus its terrible out here its not safe and we need to build a wall and make Persia great again" Really its awful out there we need to make it safe again

>>1527517
This. At least V had some actually good female leaders like Wu Zetian, Elizabeth and Catherine.

>>1527948
Victoria's gonna be good
Tomiris' gonna be good

Cleopatra is eh, I doubt I'd play Egypt anyway (unless they had a Mameluk or some cool shit)

Medici bitch is eh, but I'd never play france anyway

Name one other Scythian leader without using Wikipedia.

I also don't get the butthurt about her being a semi-legendary figure. The Sumerians had fucking Gilgamesh in the last game, who was almost certainly fictional, and Carthage had Dido who was made up by Romans. Shaka Zulu's rule is also completely undocumented and is only known from oral tradition.

>>1527897
What actual evidence? How would anyone know that there weren't giant ants? People didn't have the capability to verify these things. Aristotle thought that the Equator was uninhabitable and called it the "Horrid Zone" (cue Sonic music starting up).

It's pretty impossible to take anyone's history as being that truthful or accurate. All we can say about them is that it was something that was believable to the populace at the time. So if he wrote Cyrus was beheaded after losing to the Scythians that was what a lot of others around him believed also. It might be a constructed fiction but none the less it is a believed fiction.

This is the same as any historical source we have for many writers that we only have, Gregory of Tours one of the richness sources of middle age Europe can't be taken as truthful due to the obvious moral bias he has.

Vice-versa, completely fictional stories like the Epic Beowulf can gleam insight into what Aristocratic England was like at that age to be believable to the audience it was written for at that time.

>>1528003
Did they even have a fucking leader? Scythians weren't even a united people, they were just a bunch of Horsenigger tribes divided among warlords.

>>1528003
No you retard, it was Ashurbanipal

>Carthage had Dido who was made up by Romans.

Which proves that even years ago they were pushing the diversity crap with made up figures

>>1528029
he probably meant civ 4

>>1528023
The Massagetae (who were Scythians) had a leader.

It's like when they had all the celts lead by Brennus in civ 4.

Let's not forget that Xenophon mentions he died peacefully in bed, and even Herodotus confirms that this is but one version

>>1528071
yeah and I mention you're FREAKING GAY

>>1528084
The primary chronicle of your mom disagrees

>>1528029
My bad, Gilgamesh was in Civ4.

>>1527199
They're classified as Iranian(who're predecessors or an offshoot of early Indo-European people).

>>1527465
What does an Asiatic horse lord have to do with the Scythians?

>>1526988
>It seems you people just look for things to get triggered over

No!!!! its the feminists who are cry babies! i swear!!!

>>1527642
>dowager queen
try dowager empress you fucking pleb
clearly you know nothing about history, get the fuck off my board

>>1527465
That Hun's about to get shanked.

>civ

isn't that the game that claims that post-1700s monarchs had impacts on world events?
lol

>>1527642

All of Chinese history is literally irrelevant until Opium Wars and Boxer Rebellions.

>>1528560
They're just for decoration and a bit of character really

It's a game

>>1527474
I can also recommend RFC Europe for Beyond the Sword.

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>>1527517
The Muslims are gonna need something to fuck with the take over the world. What do you expect them to fuck, goats? pff

>>1526988
>>1528424
For a group of people that claim to be all about cultural tolerance, you didn't really seem to care that Russia was had a German as it's figurehead and Egypt a Greek. It's almost like you're hypocritical

>>1527284
>il Duce of Venizia face

>white males mad they arent being exclusively pandered to anymore
They never seem to have had a problem when it was historically inaccurate eye candy.

Who the fuck cares, we've gotten decades of the same civs over and over again. Its barely a historical game anyways.

I would love if they just went full retard and the starting civs were:

Austria Hungary
Sogdians
Myceneans
Baktria
Olmecs
Carthage
Etruscans
Easter Islanders
Jews
Hitties
Magyars
Celts
Polish Lithuanian Union
Kalmar

Just go full alt history non sense

>>1532314
By "Kalmar" I assume you mean the Kalmar Union?

>>1532339

Yes, I was thinking of throwing random civs out there that never quite made it in the end but might nevertheless but interesting in a "what fucking shitty alt history map is this?" sort of way

>>1527023
people forget we had fucking Dido in civ v. Tomyris doesn't bother me one bit. I think anyone who gets assblasted about historical accuracy or gender politics in civ needs to chill the fuck out

>>1530584
you're trying to build a strawman, fuck off

>>1532417
oh so you think it's fine that white people are being raped?

>>1527284
Who'd you have as leader?
>steven spielberg
>noam chomsky
>anita sarkeesian
>bibi
>ariel sharon stone
>disraeli
>harvey weinstein
>art garfunkel
>jon stewart
>lenin
>yossi benayoun

>>1527043
No, anime ALWAYS fucks up when it comes to history related shit.

>>1526994
Aren't most Civ leaders the famous and recognisable? Who else would you use for Scythia?

>>1527284
>once per era, steal all the other jewish pops in the world and found a city wherever the fuck you want

>>1526982
>"Although we know little about her"
That's all we need to know she's not worth putting in a Civ game.

>>1527005
>had Cyrus the Great of all people decapitated
Yes... and? This is fallacious reasoning, on par with "the Zulu's are a warrior race because they defeated the British" or "Wellington is the best general ever because he defeated Napoleon".

Killing a great leader does not automatically make you great.

>>1532406
>people forget we had fucking Dido in civ v.
It was retarded then and it is retarded now.

>>1532539
How the fuck was that fallacious reasoning?

The guy just said she doesn't belong in Civ because she's "just a paragraph from Herodotus", I asked "so what?" and added that she was interesting and decapitated Cyrus.

I never even mentioned her being great, or somehow absorbing Cyrus' prestige by being responsible for his death.

You fallacyfags are the worst, especially when you don't even know what one is.

>yes... and?

It's an interesting event of history.

Fucking hell mate not everything is an argument you need to win, sometimes people just discuss things.

>>1532539
>it was retarded then and retarded now

AD HOMINEM!!

HE DID AN AD HOMINEM GUYS!

>>1532594
>and added that she was interesting and decapitated Cyrus.
Decapitating Cyrus does not Civworthy one make. I don't get what's left to spell out.

What else is there that would make Tomyris interesting, let alone worth putting in a Civ game, let alone putting in a Civ game upon release rather than as DLC, let alone interesting enough to replace a civ that had been an on-release staple from the very start (Aztecs)?

For fucks sake, the Scythian "civilization" didn't even leave behind any archeological signs of their existence other than burial mounds.

>>1532594
Killing cyrus is literally the only thing "known" about her
>fucking heredot is no one that trustworthy

I mean its not like there arent women who have achieved enough to put them into the game
But they take some vaguely mentioned semi.mythological queen instead of historical leaders
>for me its not that she is a woman it is that she isnt historical enough to take her for the game

>>1532639
>>1532539
>Being this autismal.
I bet cunts like Wu Zetian or that Hojo guy are barely known to westernigs.

>>1532639
What makes one civ worthy is being fun and interesting enough to read about. Tomyris has a fun enough story and legacy for gamers to read up on and have a fun time while doing so. The Scythians were an interesting enough bunch of horsefuckers to be included, and I expect will make a fun "civ" to play as.

You need to remember this is a video game, not an academic study on the most important people of history. And more factors come into who should be included than historical impact/relevance.

>>1526982
dido tier

also they should've added an iconic SMC civ the mongols instead

>>1527684
What were they if not white? I'm serious now.

>>1532659
>I mean its not like there arent women who have achieved enough to put them into the game
This. Victoria (though at the time British monarchs were little more than puppets) and Cleopatra are perfectly fine by me. Catherine is questionable but I can accept it. I'd even be okay with Isabella for Spain. It would make the game suspiciously woman-heavy, but Isabella was pretty important in that she completed the Reconquista and her marriage united what we know now as Spain.

Tomyris just broke the camel's back and proves they're picking women for the sake of pandering, not because these women were interesting rulers. I'm not even asking for good rulers, I'm asking for ones that were interesting and historical. Cleopatra is by no means a good ruler but I entirely understand why she's in there: her affairs with Caesar and Marc Anthony ensured the West would be fascinated by her for centuries.

>>1532659
Well boycott her in your games then.

I'm personally glad, it will introduce normies into a period of history and a set of peoplee that is/are unknown to them. Most people don't even know who the Scythians are or what was going on in the region at the time.

>>1532680
>Cleopatra having an affair with two leaders makes her more civworthy than the decapitation of a great warlord

You just don't like horses do you?

>>1532662
I bet they ruled over legit civilizations and achieved things that are considered important in their homeland though.

>>1532665
>What makes one civ worthy is being fun and interesting enough to read about.
Alright, when are we getting Arthur and Faramond, if we're going for semi-historical legendary rulers anyway?

>You need to remember this is a video game, not an academic study
Video game? You mean that industry that is getting the short end of the SJW stick?
>'hurr durr it's just a video game feminists aren't going to take away yur gaemz'
Have you seen what they've done for to capeshit comics? And then there's feminists getting the Australian government to ban GTA V for its portrayals of "violence against women". Or that vow of the French government to hunt down games that "disempower women" (whatever the fuck that may mean).

It's perfectly natural to be defensive when a hobby you enjoy is under attack, just like people who enjoy D&D were defensive in the 80s when soccermoms called them satanists and tried to get their hobby banned.

History and video games alike are being edited to fit the progressive agenda.

>>1532689
>implying she actually decapitated cyrus
>implying she fucking existed

>>1532690
Arthur would be fine, so would Pharomond.

It's like when they included Brennus.

>SJWs invading muh vidya and comics

Get some real problems mate

I wish they'd go full silly with the leaders.
They already have Gandhi for the Indians
You could have Joan de Arc for France.

They could throw in a few others

>>1532705
Joan was never leader, Gandhi was.

I just want Alfred the Great tbqh

>>1532711
Oh wait scratch that. Could of sworn Gandhi was the first prime minister. Must of been a dream.

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>>1527036
>cultural
>marxism

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>>1532702
>It's like when they included Brennus.
A guy who actually existed and actually sacked Rome? Who was the chief of an actual civilization that settled, had agriculture and metallurgy that was actually superior to that of Rome to the point where Rome copied it?

>SJWs invading muh vidya and comics
Are you implying it's not happening?

>Get some real problems mate
Not an argument

>>1527284
Modern or Biblical? Because modern doesn't have much of a history behind it, and Biblical doesn't have much archeological support (I think they only recently found evidence that a king named David existed in the region, let alone that he was anything akin to the Biblical David).

>>1532711
She was a leader, just not of an entire country.

>>1532721
>A guy who actually existed and actually sacked Rome? Who was the chief of an actual civilization that settled, had agriculture and metallurgy that was actually superior to that of Rome to the point where Rome copied it?

To be perfectly fair, I think that he was a leader of the Celts who sacked Rome in its infancy is all they know about him. Brennus wasn't actually even his name IIRC.

>>1527284
>implying the player doesn't represent a secret cabal of jews in control of the government through the centuries

>>1532721
>Are you implying it's not happening?

Not really. Companies thinking they're a profitable demographic is hardly the same as them being invaded.

>Not an argument

Not everything has to be.

>>1532748
>Companies thinking they're a profitable demographic
Even though all the numbers prove they aren't? It's not about profit, it's about covering your ass. Once the twitter brigade sinks its teeth in you, you're fucked.

The thing is that while they may effectively cover their asses, ignoring (or at worst insulting) your target audience generally isn't a good idea.

>>1532721
Nope. Brennus of Civ 4. Only known for leading the gauls in the Battle of Thermopylae and Delphi.

>are you implying it's not happening

I'm implying it's not a huge issue. Thesis antithesis synthesis. There's gonna be a bit more female representation, but not to a ridiculous extant. Businesses remain businesses, they'll pander to a new demographic a bit, but they're not going to cut off their main supply of profit.

>not an argument

Sweet

>>1532752
K, and if that proves to be an unprofitable move, they'll quit doing it. What exactly is the problem here? That they aren't pandering to you?

Also, what really does this "Twitter brigade" have for power? They sunk their teeth into Dragon's Crown and the end result was it being an extremely profitable game. It seems to me the only end result is them pissing off people who don't have any real problems in their lives.

>>1532755
all pandering beside Why didnt they take a character from a reliable historical source or do they do Priam and Penthesilea next

>>1532766
Nice fallacies.

Also, not an argument.

>>1532766
>Also, what really does this "Twitter brigade" have for power?
To ban GTA V in Australia, for starters.

>Dragon's Crown
That's because it was made in Japan. Feminists have no power there, to the point where even female mangaka told the UN to mind its own business when they started worrying about loli manga.

why is 4chan so sexist

>>1532780
>To ban GTA V in Australia, for starters.

Australia bans things for the fun of it. That proves jack and shit.

>That's because it was made in Japan. Feminists have no power there, to the point where even female mangaka told the UN to mind its own business when they started worrying about loli manga.

Where it's made is utterly irrelevant, because it was marketed in North America and despite their bullshit still proved to be quite profitable.

>>1532780
>To ban GTA V in Australia, for starters.
That's bullshit m8

>>1532788
because it makes you salty, that is literally the only reason, if you didn't get so mad they'd get bored of it

>>1532788
because the majority is 12

>>1532788
>why is a site full of socially inept young men sexist

I wonder, oh how I wonder.

>>1532780
Australia has been doing this shit for years. It's more a problem with aussies than SJWs.

Also, Gta V isn't banned, certain stores just don't sell it.

Also, they've banned Gta games before, and force them to be pre-censored before release.

They banned San Andreas for a bit because of a sex mini game accessible only by a mod.

>>1532796
>Australia bans things for the fun of it.
Nice argument. But whatever, let's look at another country.
http://www.ibtimes.com/sexism-video-games-france-weighs-financial-incentives-diversity-2378050

>Where it's made is utterly irrelevant
But that's wrong, you fucking retard. If you knew anything about video games, you'd know that people constantly complain about all the games that never even make it to North America. That's because Japanese game developers care about the Japanese market first and foremost. That's their primary target audience, and feminists in Murika throwing a hissyfit has nothing to do with their main market, so they don't care. If Japanese game developers cared, DoA's jiggle physics would've been a thing of the past rather than something they invest literally millions into.

>>1532796
>Where it's made is utterly irrelevant
Nope, not really. Japanese devs do not give a shit about what westerners think, or how good pr relations with the western audiences are.

>>1532817
>posts article

Nice argument, but whatever, let's look at it.

>politician of media looks at potential ways of increase female representation in video games
>one idea is that some games could be put in discriminatory category is they promote violence against women, which means they can't get prime time advertising
>they praise Fallout 4 for allowing the creation of female characters
>they praise tomb raider for having a good female lead
>they praise uncharted (a game with a male protagonist) for having a main female character who isn't a damsel in distress

I don't really see the problem tbqh

>>1532810
Australian target banned the new GTA because of the Sarkeesian-Thompson argument which is: "x is done in a y video game. Therefore y is normalizing x and thus making it happen real life". For example: "Women are objectified in a video game. Therefore video games are normalizing the objectification of women, and thus making women in real life be objectified.
This has been dis-proven like 20 times in the last decade but people still buy it. But I found it an interesting social study about the inherent biases in humans, when Jack Thompson suggests that video games cause violence he gets boo'd of the stage but when Sarkeesian suggests video games cause sexism she is applauded. It really does seem like that if you want sympathy and support for your cause: involve women in it.

>>1532847
>I don't really see the problem
What about politicians interrupting the free market to push a specific agenda, potentially by punishing those who don't conform to their standards through fines or Australia-tier boycotting?

This isn't the job of a government. It's job is making sure Muslims don't kill their citizens every five days.

>>1532851
Okay

>>1532851
>It really does seem like that if you want sympathy and support for your cause: involve women in it.
Yeah, it's called the "women are wonderful" effect. Ironically, this is also why female Male Rights Activists are the only ones that aren't called misogynist shitlords that want to send womyn back to the kitchen.

>>1532817
You're a bigger idiot than I thought it seems.

If they truly held the sway you claim, Dragon's Crown would have floundered in North American markets. The fact it's made in Japan is utterly irrelevant. The Twitter brigade as you term them just gave the game a bunch of free publicity. In fact, barring a few instances of game devs deciding to pull the plug on their own, this is all they've ever accomplished. They've never accomplished the kind of jack booted hysteria that gamergaters such as yourself seem to think they're capable of.

You're seriously no different from them. You look for things to be offended by, and then make mountains out of molehills, throwing shit everywhere in the process. You're and they are a prime symptom of what happens when actual civic responsibility dies.

>>1532837
Not relevant to my argument.

>>1532854
I don't give a fuck about French advertising rules.

They can do what they want, if the French people don't agree with it, they can use their democratic means to go against it.

It was only an idea anyway, it's not been put through.

>>1532847
>one idea is that some games could be put in discriminatory category is they promote violence against women, which means they can't get prime time advertising

You don't see a problem with that? Really? Are you retarded or just anti-scientific on purpose?
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/cyber.2014.0492

Media doesn't affect people as much as you think.

>>1532864
>The fact that Japanese game developers in that develop Japanese games in Japan for a Japanese market doesn't matter
>There aren't hundreds if not thousands of games that never made it to North America because they're too "weird" or "triggering"
>There aren't hundreds or thousands more games that had to be edited, censored or partially rewritten to be "appropriate" for American markets

You don't know the story behind why Poison is a man, do you?

>>1532864
I don't care what your argument is.

You stated: "Where it's made is utterly irrelevant" which is absolutely false.

>>1532883
I know the old story. My point is that they didn't manage to shut Dragon's Crown down. They didn't manage to dent its sales in the slightest and in fact gave it a whole shitload of free publicity in the process. They've demonstrated themselves to be a paper tiger, and the only power they hold is that which game companies willingly give them; which so long as an indie scene continues to exist will never be an issue.

>>1532885
>You stated: "Where it's made is utterly irrelevant" which is absolutely false.

Utterly irrelevant to my argument, you goddamn autist.

>>1532875
It's an idea. There's no problem with thinking of ideas to combat issues.

I'm not saying the idea is fine itself, but the guy posted the article as an argument for (I assume) the idea that theirs this big SJW takeover of the world where all men must be whipped and castrated.

Post the study to the French government if they ever discuss the idea in government.

>>1532897
>They've demonstrated themselves to be a paper tiger
Which is why they try so hard to:
1. Generate outrage (which is effectively bullying a company into changing things or apologizing)
2. Affect the legislative

1 tends to fail with Japanese games developers because they don't give a fuck. Because their target audience is Japanese.

>which so long as an indie scene continues to exist will never be an issue.
True, but indie games will continue to exist side by side with AAA games and not replace them, not in the forseeable future at least. And Western AAA games developers are a lot more easily influenced by SJW generated outrage and Western legislation lobbied for than SJW than Japanese ones, because SJW are barely even a presence in Japan.

You underestimate how little the Japanese care about what happens outside of Japan.

Goodnight lads

>>1532914
>2. Affect the legislative

How much success have they had in this regard? Non-gamers don't give a shit about gaming related issues, and gamers are still a pretty significant voting block that disagrees by and large with the SJW thing.

>True, but indie games will continue to exist side by side with AAA games and not replace them, not in the forseeable future at least. And Western AAA games developers are a lot more easily influenced by SJW generated outrage and Western legislation lobbied for than SJW than Japanese ones, because SJW are barely even a presence in Japan.

I don't think they need to replace AAA games so much as provide an alternative. So long as the indie scene is there to provide an alternative, the AAA devs will still have to present products appealing to their primary demographic.

>You underestimate how little the Japanese care about what happens outside of Japan.

Oh I know Japan gives less than any amount of fucks on that subject. But my argument about Dragon's Crown has been relating to its presence in North America, which still has to appeal to North American consumers and go through North American companies.

>>1527284
Mod it, dumby.

>>1527598
>France probably has the largest number of iconic leaders of any country
It had Napoleon and...

>>1532851
Australian Target and Kmart have next to no impact on the Australian games market. They are in their own price bubble which means nobody but clueless old gran buying a christmas present for young Bruce buys games there. It was probably a cynical decision to give them positive publicity because nobody buys games there anyway.

>>1532314
How are these "alt history" exactly?

>>1532851
>Australian target banned the new GTA because of the Sarkeesian-Thompson argument which is: "x is done in a y video game. Therefore y is normalizing x and thus making it happen real life". For example: "Women are objectified in a video game. Therefore video games are normalizing the objectification of women, and thus making women in real life be objectified.
>This has been dis-proven like 20 times in the last decade but people still buy it.

Before gamersgate I could make this argument without looking like a blithering moron. Reactionaries literally ruin everything. Sarkeesian just needs to point at GGfags to "prove" herself right.

Wasn't she that cunt that poisoned a bunch of guys because she couldn't fight? Is her special poison and treachery?

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>>1527036
Sure showed them, pal.

>>1532669
Are you prepared to refer to modern Iranians as white?

>Queen (Who?) leads SITHIA--
stopped the video right there.
Jesus Christ, it's Scythia, Σkυθιkή, this shit is disgusting

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>>1527036
Woah there, buckaroo

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I always just wanted a board to discuss history on, but not even here can you escape from the gender politics that is taking over everything on the internet. Nearly every large thread on this board either baits it in the OP or succumbs to it eventually.

Please make it stop.

>>1532476
David?
Solomon?
David Ben-Gurion?

wonder why jews haven't been done yet?
I assume it s to not offend anyone.

>>1527065

Your average /his/ pleb folks.

>>1533805
But us males are being opressed by the feminist conspiracy.

We shall not stop fighting.

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>>1534381
Oh hi, Kenji.

>>1532702
You're clearly being asshurt about the woman more than the fucking civilization.

Motherfucking """""""""Celts"""""""""" were presented as unified.

>>1533805
>&Humanities

NEVER FORGET

>>1533125
Kings of France: Louis XIV, Louis IX, Louis XIII.

Memes: Jeanne d'Arc (because they don't necessarily have to be head of state)

Kings of the Franks (because civ is mostly based in pop history, and Franks=French): Charlemagne, Pepin the Stout, Charles Martel.

Emperors rightfully elected by the will of the people: Napoleon Bonaparte and Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte.

All more influential and more French than the queen consort.

>>1534464

Charles Martel was not a king, you can put in your meme list if you want, though.

>>1534508
He was de facto king; it's about leaders, not necessarily kings

>>1534434
Did you reply to the wrong guy or misunderstand me?

>>1533698
>scythians
>iranians

>>1534517

But he was not the head of the State and:
>Memes:
>(because they don't necessarily have to be head of state)

Just following the rules.

>>1533125
Brennos
Vercingetorix
Clovis
Charles Martel
Charlemagne
Odo of Paris
Philip Augustus
Saint Louis
Philip the Fair
Louis XI
Henry IV
Richelieu
Louis XIV
Robespierre
Napoleon
Napoleon III
Clemenceau
De Gaulle

>>1534550
>>1534508
He was the ruler of France.

>>1526994
Every Scythian leader is just a paragraph in Herodotus

>Still no Canada

>still no Anglo-Saxon King

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>>1534550
Durr

>>1534582

And?
You could at least look for the part where he removed the king of the Franks wiathout electing a new king for years.

But he was not the head of state. Sorry, but I did not made the rules.

>>1534595
>not the head of state
It L I T E R A L L Y says he was de facto ruler.

Not to mention, going by "your" "rules", Catherine de' Medici is out as well

>>1534595
Then who was the head of state from 718 to 741 dumb-dumb?

>>1527284
>include Israel mod in my games
>they keep ganging up with Hitler and ISIS until they get tired of ISIS founding Islam to compete with Judaism and team up with Achaon the Everchosen to wipe them out
>meanwhile Gadaffi is being a pompous faggot as usual and Assad is somehow always wierdly brotier along with Simba of Pride Rock and Skynet
>the Vorcha just keep eating up more capitals, the Volus keep trying to outjew the Jews and Zul'Jin just keeps building every fucking wonder in the game

>>1534604
Chilperic II

Theuderic IV

>>1534611
Theuderic died in 737.

>>1534657
There was no Frankish king for seven years after his death.

>>1534661
And the ruler was Charles Martel.

Now stop your autism.

>>1526982
>the greatest queen eva!!1!!11
>but we know little about her
what

>>1534746
Please stop posting like a 12 year old.

>pokrovka
Pokrovka is the name of a Scythian site named after a local slav village. This is like the Americans having a city called Chinatown.

>>1527688
Its because he's 'redpilled' and doesn't like 'the womenz' in his 'HIStory' vidya.

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>>1528003
Maues, king of the Sakas who conquered Indo-Greek territory.

>>1532314
>Sogdians
>Baktria
>Etruscans
If even one of those civilizations were added, I'd sperg out in excitement.
But in all honesty, I am more than content with the Scythians being in the game at all.

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>>1527036

>>1526982
>Herodotus inspired Scythians
>they aren't clad in human skin and human part accessories

>>1528003
I thought Gilgamesh was confirmed to have been an actual king at some point, just one whose doings have been lost in favor of pure fantasy.

Prrtty sure he's on one of those dynastic genealogical steles.

>>1536707
I like Darius more personally but Cyrus is still pretty damn cool.

>>1532721
>The lasso compels truth, but it can't stop mansplaining.

WTF have they done to you Diana?

>>1536755
>>1532721
Doesn't that mean the mansplaining is true?

>>1527100
I think it is pretty neat choice

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>>1527036

>

>>1537070

What the fuck does
媒体姓党,魂归大海
Mean? The media is named the CCP, the spirit returns to the sea?

>>1536770
Yeah, but the nature of "mansplaining" has nothing to do with the veracity of the statement and more with how it's delivered. The implicit assumption that the woman doesn't know her shit and the man knows better.

>they're releasing another civ
>they still haven't fucking released civ 2 on steam

Pass.

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>>1537094
>The implicit assumption that the woman doesn't know her shit and the man knows better.
5000+ years of men making most of the achievements usually does that. Also have you ever asked a woman to do something? It can be quite a hassle at times, not all but enough of them show a level of incompetence that is a little worrying.

>>1532314
>play as the polish-Lithuanian commonwealth
>instead of just one ruler in the diplomacy screen, it's the entire Sejm, all talking at once

That'd give me a good giggle.

>>1533527
>Sarkeesian
>being right about literally anything
Pick one.

>>1527036

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomyris

A history lesson for the day. At least they had an appropriate civilization for it.

>>1532680
The Scythians beating the shit out of the Persians and decapitating one of their greatest kings and turning his skull into a goblet isn't interesting enough? Scythians were a pretty fascinating civilization.

>>1533698
To be fair the Scythians didn't look much like modern Arabized Persians. Most accounts (and preserved corpses) state that they were tall with red hair and blue eyes.

>made this same awful thread on /v/
>now do the same song and dance

You really have an issue wanting so many (you)s buddy

>>1539555
>The Scythians beating the shit out of the Persians and decapitating one of their greatest kings and turning his skull into a goblet isn't interesting enough? Scythians were a pretty fascinating civilization.
WE WUZ CONQUERORS N'SHEIT,
HERODOTUS SAID HE KNEW A FRIEND OF A FRIEND WHO SAID WE WUZ.

>>1541282
You're pathetic

>watch Cathy's official reveal video
>it's lie after lie

Sweet Jesus why?
If you had to go with a French leader you could have gone with Joan or Madame de Pompadour.
Who let this failure, non-French, and literal who for normies into the game?

>>1532864
>In fact, barring a few instances of game devs deciding to pull the plug on their own
This is the actual problem. Game devs are the sort of pathetic people who'd give in to feminists writing mean things about them for Jezebel or on Twitter.

Plus, when the get in HR, they really start to cause issues. Have to be kept out of any position of influence, there aren't enough of them to affect shit otherwise.

>>1539555
>To be fair the Scythians didn't look much like modern Arabized Persians. Most accounts (and preserved corpses) state that they were tall with red hair and blue eyes.


Oh boy i know where this is going, say it with me lads

WE

>>1542343
It really is worse when white poeple wewuz

>>1532716
Gandhi was the Prime Minister of India, yes.

Not that Gandhi though.

>>1541382
everyone hates joan for some reason. i wouldn't mind at all. madame de pompadour would be interesting but the more they stay away from the 18th and 19th centuries the better imo

also nationality doesn't really matter. that's a modern preference

>>1537147
probably the worst, most illogical defence of mansplaining

>>1528003
gilgamesh is in civ 6 as well

>>1528029
that's not proof at all

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>>1528029
They had equal gender representation way back in Civ 2, mate, they always looked for diversity in their leaders and civilisations. There's nothing wrong with that.

While De Médicis is disappointing as far as French leaders go, she had a strong personality which fits with the theme of going for strong diverse personalities when choosing its leaders.

Also, she's the lead designer's waifu, can't blame a man for giving preferential treatment to his waifu.

>>1542551
Can we at least pick another female Czarina for Russia?
Sorry. I'm getting tried of Horse Fucker. How about Elizabeth? She almost BTFO Germany, okay Prussia but same thing, out of existence but sadly died before it could happen.

>>1541350
Herodotus did a great job making shit interesting but by no means is the shit he wrote actual history. There are a hundred theories about how cyrus died and only one mentions the "literally who" being made into a civ leader. You wanna believe the first thing you read and rabidly defend it like a monkey go ahead but you'll always be an idiot if you do so.

>>1544532
Russia's getting Peter though.

The only two unrevealed female leaders left are Isabella la Catolica and Jadwiga as far as I know. Elisabeth of Russia would have been interesting though.

>>1544608
>There are a hundred theories about how cyrus died and only one mentions the "literally who"

Strabo, Polyaenus, Cassiodorus, and Jordanes.

>Herodotus did a great job making shit interesting but by no means is the shit he wrote actual history

In regards to Tomyris Herodotus himself stated it was but one theory of many. Herodotus constantly reminds the reader he is writing what he has been told, and there may be other theories. Don't blame him for getting a few things wrong.

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>>1527036
lmao

>>1544628
>Strabo, Polyaenus, Cassiodorus, and Jordanes.
You're so fucking stupid it amazes me. Do you honestly think that if herodotus didn't write the histories anyone would know who she was? She is mentioned because she was mentioned by herodotus. She is a footnote of history if she existed at all and there is literally zero evidence that she did.

>>1532476
Natalie Portman, probably.

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I can't believe this #gamergate autism in a Civ thread of all things

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>>1544667

>>1544700
So having a rational appreciation that Civ has always sacrificed historicity for gender diversity is reddit now? Fuck off to spedchan.

>>1542551
>There's nothing wrong with that.
If Congo was a Civ, and it's leader was Leopold 2 you would be raving about how awful it is. If any non-western Civ had a foreign ruler you would be raving on how awful it is.

But no one bats an eye when France gets given a Italian leader, Russia a German leader and so on. This is extremely hypocritical from the point of people like you and the devs who always claim to be all about cultural inclusiveness.

>>1544716
>a rational appreciation
elaborate?

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>>1544667
>we could have pic related no problem
>get a fucking leaf headdress instead
just

>>154474
The picture I posted has Shakala on the right, civ II. One of several dubious choices in the game widely regarded as being the classic of the series. Did nobody play this, ir think to check before they blamed pandering to contemporary SJWs as the reason behind what they regard to be poor choices of leader?

>>1544760
meant to quote
>>1544741

>>1526982
My biggest problem is that Civ implies that Kings had any influence on nations after ~1800s. Why is Victoria in the game? Why not Pitt or Gladstone?

>>1544741
Leopold II was never "Congolese" while De Médicis, Napoléon, Catherine, Jadwiga, and Cleopatra are all much more remembered as the nationality they took rather than the ones of their ancestors.

>>1527284
>can decrease another players culture by giving a pop to a civ's city
>giving a pop to another civ givs you % of all gold earned
>civs must donate military units to you
>can settle in other civs territory
>can destroy christian faith generation

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>>1527005
Heradatus used her as an ironic insult, Cyrus King of the Universe was killed by a tribal princess.

>>1547916
That drawing prove the point the guy is supposed to be making.

>>1526982
who gives a shit. I'm just happy they included the scythians, those barbarous pranksters.

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>>1547916
So this comic is saying that anyone that finds anti-sjws and their constant whining annoying ARE sjws?

>you're either with me or against me

So what are some non Civ /his/ approved games?

>>1548047
the word "idiot" comes from the Greeks. They used it to name the people that only cared about themselves without paying attention to the public issues and/or politics.

I think sjw are retarded but I prefer them to idiots.

>>1542343
>>1542353

It's not WE WUZ when there is extensive historical and genetic evidence to prove it.

exemplar gratis:
"Nearly all the Alani are men of great stature and beauty; their hair is somewhat yellow, their eyes are terribly fierce; the lightness of their armour renders them rapid in their movements; and they are in every respect equal to the Huns, only more civilized in their food and their manner of life. They plunder and hunt as far as the Sea of Azov and the Cimmerian Bosphorus, ravaging also Armenia and Media." Ammianus Marcellinus, Roman History, Book XXXI, 21

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Physical_appearance

Here's a further list of sources, care to prove them wrong?

>>1548163
>It's not WE WUZ when there is extensive historical and genetic evidence to prove it.

You can find historical and genetic evidence on egyptsearch too

>>1548167

As far as I know the entire "ancient Egyptians were actually West African" argument comes from a line in Herodotus where he describes Egyptians as being dark skinned and the fact that there were indeed some sub-saharan people in ancient Egypt, just not the majority.

There is loads of evidence that Scythians were genetically closely related to modern day eastern Europeans, albeit with notable proto-Turkic influence to the east.