just a freindly reminder that, 71 years ago today, we vaporized a city

>>1514386
Wow, I didn't know /his/ was THAT bad.

>>1514386
Deserved it desu.

>>1514386
>we
Yo motherfucker what's this 'we' shit?

My fucking parents weren't even born yet.

>>1514395
lol

/his/ -> dropping bombs and nuking bitches since 1945

It had to happen.

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>>1514386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2rwxs1gH9w

Bullshit, /his/ is a board of peace

>>1514386
Unironically more people were ssaved by doing so.

>>1514386
I know, it was justified measure. Don't start shit if you don't want to get hit. I'd rather have 100000 dead gooks than 500,000 dead Americans.

>>1514671

Plus another 500,000 dead japs. They were handing out grenades and bamboo spears to kids and old folks in case of invasion.

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>>1514386
We should've started tojocaust once we started occupying home isles though.

>>1514641

>the Americans did this

This is why they'll always be a top nation in my book no matter how shit they've become.

>>1514633
bullshit. the japanese were already prepared to surrender. the U.S. however wanted an unconditional surrender and destroying two cities still didn't get us that unconditional surrender. they still got the measure protecting the emperor's ceremonial role which was the reason they hadn't already surrendered

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>>1514704
IT HAD TO BE THIS WAY

>>1514704

The Japanese were prepared to offer, through the Soviets, a "surrender" that left them with all of Malaya, Indochina, and the Netherlands east indies. The offers were so laughable that the Soviets didn't even past most of them along.

And they did get an unconditional surrender. You seem to fail to grasp the difference between exercised and unexercised power. There's a big difference between

>We can't touch the emperor

and

>We can depose the emperor but we're not going to.

>>1514728
this
keeping the Emperor was just a show of goodwill, they still occupied Japan for years, and still do to a degree.

>>1514704

It goes beyond conditional/unconditional surrender - the attacks demonstrated to everyone in the world how devastating the atom bomb was. Not a single one has been used against another country since. If it hadnt been used on Japan (oh and this'll mean a gigantic land war in Japan with even more deaths) eventually another state (esp. USSR) would've gotten the bomb and the first time we'd see the atom bomb used would likely be replied in kind.

It was useful for future generations that the atom bomb was used when it was.

>>1514386
Reminder that some of us are masturbating to the memory.

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>>1514386
What else do you remember from the war?

>>1514386
i'm not american so fuck you i did nothing wrong

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>>1514784
>some Japanese in the military were responsible for deaths and freak experiments
>therefore 129,000–246,000+ civilians have to die

>>1514671
>Don't start shit if you don't want to get hit. I'd rather have 100000 dead americans than 500,000 dead japanese.
Congrats, you're way of thinking is no different than that of the Japanese during Pearl Harbor.

>>1514849
>americans forced the Japanese to surprise attack Pearl Harbor
>implying America forced Japan to be the aggressor

Are you an actual retard or just memeing

>>1514838
Those civilians should be grateful we dropped 2 nukes on them. Many more would have died if America went through with their invasion of Japan.

>>1514885
America was going to try to stop Japan from expanding, it was inevitable.

>>1514885
I never implied that. It's simply that, when attacking Pearl Harbor, that's what the Japanese leadership believed. No different from what you and many other Americans believe.

>>1514892
Or, you know, Americans could have entered negotiations.

>"b-but le japs were crazy maymay :D:D"
Pure propaganda. Japanese were even fighting their own government in China. Many Japanese were just trying to survive in Japan, and American firebombs didn't help.

>>1514908
>country surprise attacks another country and then spends 4 years torturing, raping, and murdering everything they can get their hands on
>WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST NEGOTIATE WITH THEM OH MY GOD
>ignore the mass murder that is still going on all across East Asia every day that the Japanese Empire continues to exist

KEK
U
C
K

>>1514914
>country surprise attacks
FDR knew what the Japanese were up to but he didn't do shit.

Your government was trying to get the US into the war. Lend-lease and the favorable position with the Dutch both showed that the US was asking for an excuse to get into the war. It just happens that the Japanese took the bait.

Do you entirely blame the bees for stinging you, or do you blame the asshole who threw the hive at you?

>m-muh mass murder!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II

>>1514933
>FDR knew what the Japanese were up to but he didn't do shit

>he literally has to make shit up to advance his point

>m-muh mass murder!

Oh shit, it's going to be a war crime denial thread.

But yeah, enjoy being a contrarian liberal fag, and being laughed at by strangers on the internet.

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>>1514838
Yes.

>>1514933
>FDR knew what the Japanese were up to but he didn't do shit

Source? And no, Japanese war crime denial sites don't count. but let's be real, we both know you are talking out of your ass.

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>>1514641
I Remember using this video for a science project on nuclear weapons, it sure got the class attention.

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>>1514940
I never denied war crimes, and I won't.

My entire point is westerners are hypocritical fucks with double standards, and their treatment of the Japanese serves as proof. There were plenty of anti-Showa movements that the US could have sponsored. There were many chances for negotiation and blockade. The only reason why the US chose the atom bomb was to dick wave to the world and punish people whose only crimes were living in Japan.

>liberal
Just fuck off back to /pol/, you don't even know the definition of that word.

>>1514386
Who fucking cares

the first one was necessary o end the war the second one was a grusome war crime

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>>1514976
>warfare
>crimes

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>>1514973
Kill yourself tojo enabler.

Japs are not humans, they can't be reasoned with in any other way than threat of total extermination.

>>1514973
Be honest, were you raised by a single mother?

We both know that there's a sublimated need for attention that you're expressing here.

>>1514973
No one forced the Japanese to invade their neighbors. If you honestly think the nukes were used for "dick waving" than its proof you haven't done any research on the subject. The Japaneses offered surrender terms that would have allowed them to keep Malaysia and the Dutch indies. Why would the Americans allow them to keep those territories? An American invasion of Japan was planned in October, which would have killed hundreds of thousands more Than the nukes did. The nukes were the best option that allowed for the least amount of causalities to end the war. The war Japan started no less.

>>1514973
>punish people whose only crimes were living in Japan.
As if the firebombings didn't do that

>>1514997
>nothing to respond
>call him liberal at first
>nothing happens
>second time
>call him a bastard
>I-I hope this works

Fastest rice crispies ever

>>1515007
Seriously though, look at your posts, and tell me they don't scream "didn't get enough attention growing up."

This is an unhealthy way to express your needs.

I just want you to reflect a little on your life is all.

>>1515028
I'm not the guy you called a liberal senpai.

>>/b/

>>1515031
Denial isn't just a river in Africa, my lonely friend.

>>1515003
>The Japaneses offered surrender terms that would have allowed them to keep Malaysia and the Dutch indies.
Do you know how negotiations work? Almost always, both sides bring conflicting deals to the table. In the end, however, a deal is reached that is almost entirely different from the originals.

Pair negotiations with a naval blockade or the threat of allowing the Soviets to take over operations, then Japanese leadership would have surely come to the table.

Speaking of a blockade, that would have caused less deaths than the bombs.

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>>1515028
>>1515036
You're pathetic just stop posting.

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>>1515041
>Speaking of a blockade, that would have caused less deaths than the bombs

I actually laughed out loud at that.

Thank you.

>>1515047
Whenever you're willing to talk, I'll be ready to listen.

>>1515041
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Japanese did not want negotiate on our terms.

>speaking of a blockade, that would have caused less deaths than the bombs.

This is proof right here that you are a retard. Starvation on a massive scale would cause millions of more deaths than strategic bombings. Not too mention that blockades would just prolong the war and continue the suffering for the Japanese people and the civilians of foreign countries that they were occupying.

Anime is only real because of the nukes.
Your waifu is born out of nukes.

>>1515041
>Speaking of a blockade, that would have caused less deaths than the bombs.

The blockade would have led to mass starvation all over Japan. Millions would have died from starvation alone, never mind all the people who would have died in the inevitable uprising against the Japanese government (that sort of thing always seems to happen when the people start to starve). The bombs killed fewer than 300,000.

>>1515055
>>1515062
>using firebombs against civilian centers and vaporizing thousands of people and the cities they live in is okay
>but making them hungry for a short period time is fucking evil how dare you even think of that
Never change, westerners.

As for negotiations, they would have to negotiate if their people are starving and demanding food. If not, anti-showa groups or maybe even the US would become more popular with the citizenry. Or worse, they would have no efficient manpower to combat the US.

>>1515041
>Do you know how negotiations work? Almost always, both sides bring conflicting deals to the table. In the end, however, a deal is reached that is almost entirely different from the originals.

The Japanese wanted to maintain their sovereignty, the structure of their government, the structure of their military, Taiwan, and Korea. And these were their demands in 1945. They had no intention of budging. Even after the first atomic bomb was dropped, it took weeks of arguing among the Emperor's inner circle to agree to a surrender. In the end, the Emperor himself broke the deadlock and threw his support behind the Prime Minister, who supported a surrender.

>>1514386
Wtf I hate USA now

>>1515111
>making them hungry

It's not just "making them hungry", they would die en masse. This was an unarmed, relatively scattered populace (many people had fled to the countryside to escape the bombings), and the military controlled all the food. The families of soldiers also got preferential treatment when it came to rations, so by keeping the government going Japanese soldiers were looking out for their own families. Millions would die before they collapsed.

>>1515111
>Speaking of a blockade, that would have caused less deaths than the bombs
>blockading a totalitarian state into surrendering would cause less deaths than the atom bombs
>when North Korea took starvation fatalities of 10% of their population and didn't budge an inch
>when Japan wasn't self sufficient in food without shipping, and all the shipping was sunk

We can talk about this.

You don't have to be alone, anon.

Hang with me, anon.

>>1515119
>The Japanese wanted to maintain their sovereignty
Who doesn't?

And again, sufficient negotiations would have forced the Japanese to budge. Stop with this "le crazy japs maymay".

>>1515131
>they would die en masse
They died en masse with the bombings.

If you're willing to argue that the casualties from the bombs were what made Japan surrender, then logically you must agree that the same amount of casualties from starvation would have also led to surrender.

>>1515142
Not him
Quit shitting up the thread you fucking Mong

>>1514386
>we
I had no part in it you liberal dipshit. /his/ is shit for this very reason. Why bother even having this board when you're literally just reddit.

>>1515195
>If you're willing to argue that the casualties from the bombs were what made Japan surrender

This isn't what anyone is arguing.

They're arguing that it was the prospect of having the entire country exterminated like insects with no way to fight back that caused the Japanese to surrender.

>And again, sufficient negotiations would have forced the Japanese to budge

It's not like the Japanese cabinet needed a unanimous vote to surrender, the Japanese cabinet constitutionally required a representative from the army, and the army refused to surrender.

You don't hold negotiations for an unconditional surrender in the first place.

That's why it's called unconditional.

There are ways to get attention that are positive, you know.

You could try finding interesting pictures and posting them.

This form of human contact is easy to get, but it won't sustain you.

There's a place for us, Joe.

>>1515195

>If you're willing to argue that the casualties from the bombs were what made Japan surrender, then logically you must agree that the same amount of casualties from starvation would have also led to surrender.

No one is denying that starvation wouldn't have made them surrender. Just that it would have killed more people than the bombs did. I know you third worlders are slow, but I find it hilarious you originally complained about Americas unnecessary killing of civilians and now you are arguing for a method that would have killed many more than america ever did.

>>1515111
Christ the only thing I hate more than America are people who will go to this delusional extent to shit on it

>>1515224
Shit would hit the fan in Japan long before thousands of deaths would take place. Starving people will go to extreme lengths, even if that means acting against their government.

>>1515224
>the same amount of casualties from starvation would have also led to surrender.
>Yeah okay but many more would have died
Are you retarded?

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>>1515234
This is something that has actually happened multiple times.

Too many times, actually.

Let's see.

>famine in North Korea kills 10% of the population
>result: no change
>famine in China kills 30 million
>result: Mao loses some of his influence, and starts the Cultural Revolution to get it back
>famine in USSR kills ~20 million
>result: no change
>famine in Ethiopia kills ~1 million
>communist government overthrown after Cold War ends
>famine in Ireland kills ~1 million
>British rule lasts for another 80 years
>city of Leningrad surrounded, 1 million die of starvation
>result: city relieved by Red Army after a year, no substantial civil unrest

>>1515244
Is this really the kind of attention you want?

>>1515248
Stop projecting your attention-whoring on me.
Actually, please use a trip so I can filter your dumb ass.

>>1515244
Nice reading comprehension. I said no one doubts that Japan would have eventually surrendered due to starvation. It just would have taken a lot more civilian deaths to get them there.

>>1515234

Right, just like how shit hit the fan in China long before 50 million people starved to death, or how shit hit the fan in the Russian cities that starved during WWII before millions starved to death....it doesn't matter how extreme people are willing to be if:

1. They have no weapons
2. They're unorganized
3. They can barely move because, you know, they haven't eaten in weeks

>>1515253
>start a thread looking for (you)s
>get called on it

No, I'm sure you wanted to discuss the ethical and practical considerations of World War 2 strategic bombing.

Maybe you could volunteer for the SPCA or something.

>>1515257
>implying I'm OP
Retard.

>>1515260
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTFdNhN_bFc

Japs might have done a lot of despicable shit during WW2 but at least they never nuked civilians

>>1515266
>nukes are magically different from other methods of killing because they make you more deader

>>1515266

You're right, I guess slaughtering innocent Asian people by the tens of millions and performing chemical weapons experiments on those they captured is morally superior to killing 250,000 people with two bombs.

>>1514704
The three great powers made a solemn oath to not accept anything but an unconditional surrender. Accepting a conditional surrender would be seen as a betrayal to Stalin who still wanted to snatch up Corean and Chinese clay

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>>1515278
>innocent Asian people

>>1515246
Were these countries on the brink of defeat?

>>1515304
The USSR certainly was on the ropes in 1941.

They never considered revolting, because lol police state.

Incidentally, guess what system of government Japan had.

>>1514641
This is a better version of the song you posted, play on full volume for best effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI12BGneREY

>>1514704
they deserved it, and they should have gotten worse

>>1515246
>Leningrad

This is actually a great comparison for 1945 Japan as a whole, because the people had a similar mentality. The Soviets believed (rightfully so) that if they surrendered they would be murdered and sent to work camps. The Japanese (incorrectly, thanks to propaganda) believed the exact same thing, which is why we have those famous stories of Japanese soldiers and civilians committing suicide when capture was imminent. So they're just as unlikely to surrender, because in their minds they're dead either way and nobody except the Emperor himself can convince them otherwise.


>>1515304
>was the Soviet Union on the brink of defeat in 1941

It certainly looked that way to pretty much everyone alive at the time. And the cities were under siege, so yes, the soldiers holding those cities were obviously on the brink of defeat.

>>1515312
>incorrectly

The Allies eventually would have won, but if a city rebelled, you bet your ass the IJA would have just shut down food supplies to the entire city.

If anyone fucked up on a smaller scale, they'd just get their calorie privileges taken away and the problem would go away pretty quickly.

>>1515306
>>1515312
>they still won

Unlike USSR, there was no hope for Japan.

>>1515316
You're right, the Japanese could read CNN and get updated on world affairs.

>oh wait

Well, you know that totalitarian states like, say, Nazi Germany, or 19th century Paraguay are infamous for folding like an umbrella when it looks like they've lost the war.

>oh wait

SINGLE MOTHER
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M
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>>1515314
I meant murdered and sent to work camps by the Germans. Although I guess the Soviets would possibly do the same thing, I forgot about that.

>>1515316
There was no hope for Leningrad either.

>>1515316
>there was no hope for Japan.

The Japanese didn't know that. Their only source of news was the Japanese government. We see this happen time and time again with authoritarian governments. Look at the Germans in 1918, who were so stunned by the surrender that it led to the stab-in-the-back myth, or the Russians in 1905, who were so surprised that the news of their defeat nearly caused a revolution.

>>1515327
>There was no hope for Leningrad either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad

>>1515336
>mfw this is why Pakistan is so butthurt at India
>mfw the Pakistani news reported that they were winning right until the point where they reported "oh by the way that half of our country is gone now"

>>1515337
Wait, the Siege of Leningrad ended? You mean Nazis aren't shooting out the windows of the Winter Palace right now? No way!

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>>1514641
oh lol

>Japs invade multiple countries
>rape and pillage the city of Nanking, killing 300,000 civilians
>systemically rape hundreds of thousands of women
>induce famines, utilize chemical and biological weapons, or otherwise torture to death MILLIONS of civilians
>force thousands of American and Filipino soldiers to undergo a walk of death
>force tens of thousands of British and Commonwealth soldiers to work as slaves
>Unit 731

>cry because Americans drop a bomb on a city being used in the Japanese war effort that was already warned they were going to be bombed

Fuckers had it coming.

>>1514386
lol they bombed our ships and we turned two of their industrial centers into parking lots.
talk shit get hit nippon

>>1514838
>Western Bias.jpg
You do realize Japan invaded China in 1937.

>>1514838

Sure, let's just ignore the tens of millions of Chinese civilians they murdered along the way.

>>1515111
>Making them hungry for a short period of time
Fuck off of my board.

>>1515361
The West invaded China even earlier. Unequal Treaties? Ever heard of them?
Japan was liberating east Asia from Western imperialism.

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>>1515372
awww nigga now THIS HAS to be bait

>>1515372
The Unequal Treaties don't even come close to matching the atrocities the Japanese committed against the Chinese.

>Japan was liberating east Asia from Western imperialism.

This is a lie. Japan was expanding its own empire, nothing more. The "Co-Prosperity Sphere" was a myth designed to try to convince some locals to go along with it, and no matter where the Japanese went it always fell apart almost immediately. Look at the Philippines, where the people went from fighting a bloody independence war against the US to almost immediately fighting one against the Japanese.

TL;DR: Foreign invaders are foreign invaders, having eyes that are the same shape as the people you're subjugating doesn't make it any better.

>>1515375
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty#China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

It's sad that you don't know what your countries did to other people because you're so brainwashed.

>>1514386
So did the Indus/Veda with two of their cities, 4 THOUSAND YEARS AGO

>>1514692
Wow you're so edgy xD

You're so keeewwwl and edgy YEAH!

The JEWS!

Fuck niggers!

gay!

faggot!

kill yourself!

Am I keeewwwl anough for you yet?

>>1515383
We know what the Unequal Treaties and the Opium Wars are. But those aren't anywhere near as bad as what the Japanese did. The Battle of Shanghai alone had more casualties than both Opium Wars combined.

>>1515372
Attention whores in action.

>>1515361
And? I never claimed their invasion was justified.

>>1515368
>the military killed millions of civilians
>so we have to kill millions of civilians to show that killing millions of civilians is a bad thing to do

>>1515395
>>so we have to kill millions of civilians to show that killing millions of civilians is a bad thing to do
>to show

To stop, actually. Industrial centers and transportation hubs are targets in war for the purposes of slowing or stopping enemy forces.

>>1515395
If you don't like the SPCA idea, there are a ton of old folks in homes that would love the company.

You could channel your desire to be noticed into something that helps the world and enriches your life.

This doesn't have to be your future.

>inb4 I'm not attention whoring, I'm just regurgitating stale talking points because I think it'll help people learn

>>1515399
>when the Japanese do it, it's genocide
>when we do it, it's for the greater good

>>1515395
It prevented them from killing millions more, which they certainly would have done had they been given free reign in China. Of course, that's not why we went to war with Japan, we went to war because they attacked us. But if you're asking if killing 300,000 people to prevent the death of millions is justified, then yes, of course it is.

>>1515404
>>1515402

>>1515404
>it's for the greater good
Says who?

What industrial centers and transportation hubs were neutralized by Unit 731 or the induced famine of millions of Chinese civilians in territory already occupied and controlled by Japanese troops?

>>1515405
Thia, and it should be noted that we did stop the export of the material lifeblood of their industry when we found out about the Chinese stuff.

>>1515372
Nigga I lived in Nanjing for the first 20 years of my life, guess which group we hate more there, [spoiler]they are slanty eyed collectivists that needed to be roasted by nuclear fire[spoiler]

>>1514985

legality is criminal

>>1514973
That is a horrible definition of liberalism, hang yourself.

>>1515195

>starvation is the psychological equivalent of nuclear holocaust

>>1515345
Nips unironically shrug all this off as just being war while wailing about the inhumanity of dropping a giant bomb.

It's like someone showing up to a bar looking for a fight and getting killed after starting one, then their family spends years crying about how terrible the other guy was for fight back.

>>1515195
Lmao what logic class did you take, in what world can those terms be equal. Can you just link me your blog so I can laugh at your logic en masse

>>1515336

>stab-in-the-back myth

>>1515614
>implying this isn't correct
>what is the western allies tearing through German lines like butter
>what is the hundred days offensive

>>1514976

Not this shit again.

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Daily reminder that the Russians made Japan capitulate

>>1516350

Daily reminder that the Soviet plan for invading Hokkaido started with begging the U.S. to give them ships to do it.

>>1515424
gosh it sure was sunny outside

>>1515424
>Itsalwayssunnyinhirosima.jpg

TFW we stopped at two.

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>"Arizona war worker writes her Navy boyfriend a thank-you-note for the Jap skull he sent her"

You just know this kind of thing made soldiers' wives horny as fuck.

>>1516652
The look on her face says "I can't throw it out, but it clashes with the curtains so badly"

>>1515312
>mudered and sent to work camps

In this order?

>>1516688
People in the work camps gotta eat something.

>>1514641
Eyeballs are immune to heat and radiation?

>>1515345
They were just imitating Europeans.

>>1514422

WE WUZ NUKERS N SHEEEIT

>>1514641
>parachute
what? IIRC it didn't had one and it took a minute to detonate

>>1516350
>people actually believe this

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>>1516350

They were expected to swim across to Japan.

>>1515390
kek this nigger is mad

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Don't go around starting wars. The japs deserved what was coming to them. Kind of like the Arab states starting war with Israel ,lose their land in battle & then they want the Jews out,sorry pal, you started it

>>1514386
>>1514641
>Thousands of men, women and children interred at prisoner of war camps were subjected to vivisection, often without anesthesia and usually ending with the death of the victim.[18] Vivisections were performed on prisoners after infecting them with various diseases. Researchers performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body. These were conducted while the patients were alive because it was feared that the decomposition process would affect the results.[19] The infected and vivisected prisoners included men, women, children, and infants, including pregnant women (impregnated by Japanese surgeons) and their infants.[20]
>Prisoners had limbs amputated in order to study blood loss. Those limbs that were removed were sometimes re-attached to the opposite sides of the body. Some prisoners' limbs were frozen and amputated, while others had limbs frozen, then thawed to study the effects of the resultant untreated gangrene and rotting.
>Some prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and the esophagus reattached to the intestines. Parts of the brain, lungs, liver, etc. were removed from some prisoners.[18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#Vivisection

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>>1516765
>dying for Israel

>>1514386
That's fuckin metal

>>1514386
>implying im murrican

>>1514386
In hindsight, it was morally wrong.

At the time it was the only practical choice.

>>1516925
>strategic bombing was morally wrong
The war would have never ended without it.

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>>1514386
Yeah you did, but I didn't.
It still had to be done though, fuckin' Japs man

>>1515090
Am I kawaii, America-kun?

>>1514386
Good

Those barbarous fish heads needed taking down a few pegs

>>1514838
>a few Jews died
>therefore millions of innocent Germans need to die and pay reparations forever

My maternal grandad was among the first soldiers to set foot in Hiroshima after the bombing. He kept some relics from the blast, fucker lived into his 90s

>>1514641
Better version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1PIKH_sNL4

>mfw i hear the necessary evil meme

>>1515345
>soldiers and generalds do some bad shit
>so innocent men, women, and children who did nothing wrong deserved to die

I understand that dropping the nukes was necessary to end the war with as little bloodshed as possible, but saying that the Japanese citizenry as a whole deserved it is ridiculous.

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im not sorry

In the words of my veteran grandfather;

"By 1945 we didn't give one sorry fuck about Jap civilians. We'd seen Manila and Bataan. Fuck them, fuck Hiroshima. Better 100 of them than 1 of us."

He wasn't wrong, either. Besides, what good are a few thousand barbarians relative to the prosperous, westernized Japanese of today? They lost the War of Civilizations, the only war that matters. Let's hope they're useful when the time comes to engage China.

>>1517675
At that point I don't think the American military was really concerned with civilians, the Japanese made it very clear that they'd rather sudoku than surrender to Americans. They had just spent about 6 years hopping from one tiny hellish island to another fighting entrenched Japs that would rather kill themselves than cooperate. Women and children would jump off cliffs rather than be taken by Americans. Assaulting mainland Japan with landing craft would be another hellish landing on-par if not worse than D-Day. It was probably the most inconvenient, unpleasant and just downright fucking stubborn defences during the entirety of WWII.

The idea that anyone "deserves" any sort of military action against them is sketchy, but it's not like the bombs weren't warranted, all things considered. People do crazy shit when you push them to the edge like the Japs did the American army.

The bombs were the best for the American people, and that's likely how the decision was made.

>>1514386
I consider it a mostly good thing, considering it punctuated the ending of WWII and essentially was a warning to the rest of the world of the affects of nuclear warfare, which has been a deterrent in and of itself ever since.

>>1517782
Funny Ive seen this same comment on /k/ and /pol/, now tell us how your grandpappy really had Alzheimer's

>>1515345
>systematic raping
W E W
E
W

>>1516883
special place in hell etc

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why didn't they just drop one into the ocean off japan as a warning? surely that would have been enough

or at the very least some lightly populated area

>>1514386
next stop: the galaxy

>>1517986
somebody piss in this guys rain water tank

>>1514386
>WE WUZ MAGICIANS AN SHIEET

>>1516883
yeah and those people got immunity from USA in exchange for their research results.
Instead, hundrets of thousands of innocent civilians were nuked

>>1517986
>wanting to awaken Godzilla

dumb gaijin

>>1514386
>We

and that's the typical american arrogance that led to this war crime.

>US fire bombs and nukes civilians and allied POWs
>The Emperor, his relatives involved in warcrimes and unit 731 got away scot free after the war
We were the good guys.

>>1514386
yeah well watcha gonna do?

>>1517675
that's total war bro.

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>>1515514
This is whats currently happening to my uncle. He shot a violent hooligan with a long history of arrests and warrants in self defemse after the guy threatened him with a gun and now his family is threatening mine with violence and acts like we were at fault and that their asshole son was an innocent angel.

>>1514395
wtf

i hate /his/ now

>>1519565
This is why it's good to have extended family.

So you have a plausibly deniable way to fuck with them right back.

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>>1519725
Its a good thing there were plenty of witnesses so I feel like the case is rock solid in my uncle's favor.
Among other things dead asshole did, he beat another guy's father so bad the old man is now mentally disabled so if you aske me what happened to dead asshole is karma catching up with him.

>>1514425
Should be a banner

>>1514386
USA: vaping since 1945

>>1515323
dude like really, can you stop? it's getting annoying

>>1515375
that's what i said, but then i was like "oh shit this friendo is serious"

>>1515424
kek fuck that's some good stuff

>>1517841
well it may not have been systemic, but there sure as hell was rape

>>1514386
It was a horrible war-crime.

The US could've dropped the bomb on a military base, and the Japs would've surrendered all the same. It was not about ending the war, it was about showing to the world "we are ruthless, and we will do whatever to win".

The US military high command had plans on using the nuke again in Korea if things went south, that's how much they have "learned".

Do a morally good thing, kill an American.

>>1520241
>he said as he bumped a dead thread to respond to a day old post

Maybe try the salvation army instead of 4chan.

>>1514386
jap bastards deserved it

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>>1514386
What did ya expect the vape nation to do?

>>1520527
VAPE NATION YAAAALL

we dindu nuffin man it was all a lie nigga we wuz just peacfully spreadin shinto till the americans attacked us man i swear i wuz a good boy i went to the shinto shrine everyday

>>1520298
>The US could've dropped the bomb on a military base
but we did

>>1517802
Strategic bombing doesn't give a fuck. This was used by all sides during the war. We considered bombing populaces a way to demoralize the enemy.