Which is more impressive?

>>1509782
Neither. Both are short lived cancers.

>>1509782
mongols tbqh with you ladfam

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>>1509782
Both are pretty unimpressive when you look at the people conquered, but I'll go with the Mongols since the technological difference between them and their enemies was lesser

Mongols, the British's main "adversaries" are the Indians, the rest of the space is occupied by empty land and people who have little to no civilization.

Mongols meanwhile defeated the Arab empires, the Chinese empires, the Eastern europeans, and the central Asia.

The Arabs and the Chinese were the most advanced civilization of the time period. Meanwhile Europe was still a fractured medieval states.

>>1510036

What this guy said.

The Brits were fighting with advanced weaponry (machine guns, cannons, rifles) against civilizations armed mostly with Spears and arrows. The only technologically somewhat advanced people they fought were the Indians, who had cannons,guns and horses.

Meanwhile the mongols fought against numerically and technologically superior foes (i.e. the Chinese) armed only with horses and archers

>>1509782
>Mongol
>Empire

In terms of their creation, the Mongol's. In terms of effect on world history, the British.

>>1509782
The British Empire, since the world speaks english now.

>>1510245
That's because the US became a superpower (after they left the shitty empire)
At the peak of the British Empire, French was still the international language

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>>1510036
>>1510157
>>1510162
I used to believe this too- the British Empire seems unimpressive when you look at the peoples conquered, but only because that isn't a good measure of how great it was. Britain had near-absolute naval supremacy, important trade monopolies and pioneered advancements in science and engineering.
Britain's technological advantage makes the victories themselves less remarkable, but the fact that Britain was able to accomplish such advancements is surely impressive in itself.

>>1510393

If we look at the scientific achievements of Empires as an indication for their greatness, surely the German Empire would outweigh the British, since the Germans were the first nation to pioneer organic chemistry, quantum physics and modern warfare. Heck had it not been for Fritz Haber (chemist who invented a method to synthesize ammonia) most of us wouldn't be here today, due to synthesized Ammonia being a vital component for the functioning of modern day agriculture and food production.

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>>1510393
The fucking Qing Dynasty man
Everyone fucked over them

>>1509782

Militarily the Mongol conquests were possibly a more impressive feat. On all other fronts probably the British.

>>1510484
I think it's a good parameter (along with cultural impacts etc, also why I think the Roman Empire was the greatest in history), so perhaps so. But I definitely don't believe the Mongols came anywhere close.

>>1510484
>WE WUZ

Lol no, Germany is a distant third or fourth after Britain, the USA, and France.

>>1510393
>>1510496
Well the Qing wuz decadant n shitz yo

Corruption went rampant due to Opium epidemic across all levels of state

>>1510557

The Mongols introduced many innovations, such as the first pony express, as well as being great supporters of trade and bringers of peace (after the conquests, obviously) to their vast empires.

>>1510557

Technically the Romans didn't invent that much. Most of Roman technology and science was just a plagiarization/continuation of Greek science and technology. The only technologies which were unically Roman were aqueducts and aeolipiles (a form of primitive steam engine)

>>1510580

Bitch please, France didn't invent shit.

>>1510596
>aeolipiles

Hero of Alexandria.

>>1510598

Au contraire, there was a time when they matched Britain for scientific progressiveness. It was only in their failure to transition to a modern economy that France faltered, and then there was all that nonsense about conquering the world and France's potential ended up spunked into the time-encrusted sock of history.

The mongols controlled anatolia..?

Why did you pick a map of the British Empire that excluded the American colonies?

These threads are always filled with heritage jerking

nobody cares about history they just want their countries they like to look good, and countries they don't like, to look bad

>>1510635
You just explained /his/

>>1510620

The Empire never had such holdings, that was the Kingdom of England and, after 1707, the Kingdom of Great Britain. Britain wasn't an Empire until Victoria was crowned Empress of India.

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>>1510393
>owns the ocean
>gets absolutely demolished on land by askari

>>1510598
Except, you know, cars, airplanes, vaccination, helicopters, air forces...

>>1510598
>implying

What are Lavoisier, Pasteur, Pascal, Lumières brothers, Braille, Ampère, Apper etc

ETERNAL ANGLO

RULED OVER SOME FUCKING NIGGERS

YOUR EMPIRE WAS A FUCKING JOKE

LOLOLOLOLOLOLO

>>1510674
>still butthurt about how hard we fucked you

Top kek m8.

>>1510598
>France didn't invent shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_French_origin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Code
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_inventions_and_discoveries

>>1510598
>10598>>1510606 >>1510671 >>1510673
>>>1510580
>Bitch please, France didn't invent shit.
excecept maybe fucking cars people brownies bears medusa georgian architecture radiohead....

>>1510598
KEK. FUCKING ETERNAL ANGLO BT THE FUCKING O'D.

Britain is literally the creator of the modern world, responsible for the industrial revolution, modern politics, the language you're reading this in, and did the vast majority of the worlds most important inventions.

>>1510671

>Cars

Invented by Karl Benz (German)

>Airplanes

Invented by the Wright brothers (American

>Vaccination

I'll give you that one

>Helicopters

Overrated invention, with basically same function as a plane.

>Air forces

Just gather a bunch of aeronautic vessels and supply them with machine guns and you've got yourself a air force.

>>1510157
There were no Arab empires by the point of the Mongols invading from the Steppes and Central Asia into Western Asia and the Near East. The Persians were under the yolk of the Khwarmaian dynasty, a Turkic empire. The Abbassids were falling apart at the seams before then because of the Iranian Intermezzo period fractured their connections to the Silk Road and were reasserting themselves, Egypt had broken away iirc, and the Turks were overrunning shit already.

>>1509782
I consider the Mongols more impressive. They still have the largest continuous land based empire in history. Only other empire besides the British Empire to compare is the Achaemenid Empire.

>>1509782
The Mongols. The Brits were pretty shit at fighting anyone on the continent (see the Crimean War) because they geared their entire army to a colonial and garrisoning force. The only reason they didn't get their shit pushed in was because of their trade and navy. Just think, if the Doggerland was still there how easily Britain would be raped countless times

>>1510713
>Cars
>Invented by Karl Benz
Factually false
The first one was invented by Cugnot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas-Joseph_Cugnot
Benz simply produced it en masse

>Airplanes
>Invented by the Wright brothers (American
Wrong, but >>1510671 is wrong too
Planes were invented by a Brazilian guy

>Helicopters
>Overrated invention, with basically same function as a plane.
Helicopters have a huge role in modern warfare
A role that airplanes can't have

>Air forces
>Just gather a bunch of aeronautic vessels and supply them with machine guns and you've got yourself a air force.
Yet the French thought of it first

>>1510733
>The Brits were pretty shit at fighting anyone on the continent

Tell that to Old Boney. Or the French at any point during the middle ages, really. Britain punched well above it's weight even before colonialism.

>>1510598
>Flintlock
>Minié ball
>Smokeless powder
>First modern tank
>First mass-issued semi-automatic rifle

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>>1510759
>Tell that to Old Boney
Is that some kind of troll?
Britain was pathetic during the Napoleonic Wars
It took them 6 fucking years to take back Spain from a secondary French army not even lead by Napoleon
If it wasnt for the Russians, Europe would still be French

>Or the French at any point during the middle ages
They spent their time humiliating the English during that period
Pic related

>>1510786

For a country with 1/5th the population and wealth of France, they did pretty well.

>>1510759
>Tell that to Old Boney
Takes you 4 years and millions of men to beat 1 empire and 2 sick men? Wow so powerful!
>Or the French at any point during the middle ages
You mean how it took you 100 years to take France when Germany did it in a few months? And how you ultimate undoing was a teenage peasent girl from bumfuck nowhere, France.

Eternal Anglo pls

>>1510800

Doesn't matter who does it first, only who does it last. Britain loses every battle except the last one.

>>1510786
>>1510796
France was also the most dominant power in Europe for nearly a thousand years. Give credit where credit is due, massive population, fairly stable, major regional power able to exert itself in multiple wars. Hell even a crumbling France BEFORE Napoleon took charge in the late 18th century was holding off the British, Austrians, etc...

>>1510796
*A country with a massive navy which they never failed to use to monopolize their position as the most powerful seapower in Europe for over 300 years

>>1510713
>wright brothers invented the airplane
REEEE ITS GLOURIOUS BRAZILIAN ACHIEVEMENT
REEEE

>>1510800
jeeze lads stop taking things that have nothing to do with you so seriously

>Takes you
>You mean how it took you
>And how you
>you

Which one of us was alive during any of these wars?

Can we all keep the muh heritage roleplaying on /int/?

I'm not aiming this just at the french fella, but to everyone.

>>1510786

>What is Battle of Agincourt?

>>1510839
A single battle, in a era of multiples wars (as opposed to a battle) won by France over England, as you can see on the pic

>>1510839
A single battle, not a war. The French permanently removed the English from any holdings in Europe after all.

>>1510833
And of course an austist had to sperg out about that, as usual...

>>1510824

Britain didn't build it's navy until after the 100 years war, and Britain managed to achieve naval supremacy against French and Spanish monarchs who devoted the huge treasuries of their realms in a futile attempt to keep LE ANGLO ETERNAL hemmed in.

>>1510276
Bongs btfo

>>1510859
yeah well I beat you in fucking dozens of battles

>>1509782
>ride around on horses killing everyone and taking their stuff
>highly coordinated logistics between brilliant men on multiple continents using advanced technology to create a hugely profitable trade network
rly makes u think

>>1510884

I've never been in a battle, unless you mean CoD in which case nu-uh I have mad skillz innit 360 NO SCOPE

>>1510807
>Britain loses every battle until foreigners win the last one

militarily the Mongols were more impressive but on pretty much everything else the British were superior

>>1510748
>Planes were invented by a Brazilian guy
The Wright brothers' flight was a whole 3 years before Alberto Santos Dumont made his. Dumont's only major achievement with his plane was that it was the first one that didn't need a catapult to take off.

>>1510895
>use clever horse tactics to conquer equally advanced people
>go around the globe to machinegun spear-yielding niggers and take their wasteland

>>1510934
Hey, hey, be fair.
>initially go around the globe to musket and cannonball natives already decimated by European diseases

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>brits will always be eternally assblasted that we destroyed their shitty empire by showing the world that they cant even hold onto a small island right beside them
>even after trying for hundreds of years and multiple genocides
>they are left dealing with the fake shithole they created on this island forever too, eternally embrassing them in the eyes of civilised nations

>>1509782
Mongols, especially for conquering China. Had it not been for untimely death of Ogedei this wouldn't even be a disputed topic

>>1510954
fuck off lad this is a big boy country thread

>>1510954
and soon Northern Ireland will return to true Ireland now that Brexit has happened

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>>1510954
>multiple genocides
>implying bogtrotters are human

Top craic you petrol-sniffing potatonigger. Enjoy your niggers and EU aids.

>>1510973
don't forget:

London wants independence.

Wales wants independence.

Scotland wants independence.

Cornwall wants independence.

Scarborough wants independence.

Gibraltar wants independence.

Britbongs have fucking destroyed themselves.

>>1510979

>uk talking about niggers

>>1510859
Britain was already a major naval power in the 1600s, the loss of the Spanish Armada signaled the rise of the British as the preeminent naval power in Europe for the next 200 something years. Regardless of this, they have NEVER failed to use it to its maximum potential to ensure other European powers (Spain, France, Germany, Italian city-states, etc...) would ever rival them.

>>1510983
we're about 86% white

Ireland is 8% white

>>1510987

So they achieved hegemony and then maintained it for centuries? Sounds pretty successful to me.

>>1510995
no it means theyt LE ERTENAL ANGLO go home NIGE

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>>1510989

Yeah you sure look it

When the Romans were cucking you, did they bring monkeys to England and make your ancestors fuck them?

>>1510995
No, it means that you're drastically underplaying the whole "WE WAZ A SMALLER COUNTRY N SHIT" angle because they always have used their navy to enforce their socioeconomic power as a merchantile based country.

Having a small population is no handicap when you can starve out your enemies trade and commerce or wealth over the sea lanes.

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>>1511000
c'mon paddy, you're SCIENTIFICALLY more ape-like

>>1511007
>>1511000
You know, as an American, its always amusing to see how much hostility there is between the Irish and English. Even in the New World, the Irish carried that shit over during the Civil War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQL_EQi3M3o

>>1511007
>1800s propaganda
>science

>>1511007

This is clearly satire

>>1511005

You seem to imply that just because Britain was small and poor, it follows that it was easy for them to maintain an "unfair" dominance at sea. Britain contested control of the seas with the Dutch, the Spanish and the French and eventually even the Germans, and won every time. It has a record of dominance at sea comparable with the Ottoman dominance at land, a nigh unheard of hegemony over the most fractious and economically powerful region in the world. By contrast teh French leveraged the most bountiful and prosperous part of Western Europe to be the "also ran" of world Empires and now merely part of new German Reich in the making. That's if the Arabs don;t turn it into an Islamic Republic first.

>>1511021
Eugenics was a big thing in the late 1800s and early 1900s in the West. It wasn't satirical at all.

>>1511027
I never said Britain was poor. Nor did I say anything about fairness at all here. Please read my post.

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>>1511028

Maybe you have autism and cant understand humor

>>1511045
Everyone here has autism.

>>1511021
>>1511028
Poe's Corollary strikes again.

>>1511063
>>1511058

The "anglo-teutonic" person looks like a classical greek statue, not some saxon pig fucker

>>1511090
it's scientific you dumb paddy

>>1510666
Lettow-Vorbeck was pretty much the best guerilla general ever

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>>1510580
>Lol no, Germany is a distant third or fourth after Britain, the USA, and France.

The U.S. was mostly an irrelevant back-woods nation until the Spanish-American War of 1898 and wasn't a major player until after WWI.

>>1512107
USA was literally the (modern) China of the late 19th century. Sure it wasnt in the stupid overseas games Europeans were playing initially, and neither was it militarily powerful compared to other European Powers (mcfucking Volunteer Militias for an army) but it was a manufacturing giant in the western world.

>>1512133

50% of Americans were still farmers in 1920.

>>1512151
Just like Modern China!

>>1512133
>SA was literally the (modern) China of the late 19th century
This is true. We literally did a complete 180 on all of our founding beliefs for the sake of money and good times. Americans went from fighting imperialistic anglos to murdering anti-imperialist Filipinos, Caribbean peoples, Latinos, Chinese, Japanese, etc.

>>1511529
Him vs Mao who wins

>>1512165
Mao wasn't a guerilla general, he was a politician.

You're looking at Zhu De and Peng Dehuai as the originators of the CCP's "People's War"

>>1510666
most of the dead are disease not battle the germans were successful by avoiding action, not because they won standup fights

>>1511018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at35oIfhMVM

>>1510594
I wonder if 800 years from now we'll remember Hitler like this. Only focusing on the positives like technology and not the negatives.

>>1510036
>Both are pretty unimpressive when you look at the people conquered

The Mongols went across some of the most powerful empires, kingdoms, and states in their time.

>>1510557
>I think it's a good parameter (along with cultural impacts etc, also why I think the Roman Empire was the greatest in history),

The Romans were not really a major scientific contributor throughout their length of existence and much of what they did have was pulled from the greek states. Technologically they pulled off some impressive architectural and engineering works again but again nothing tremendously innovative that could even be compared to great German or British innovations during the industrialization period.

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>>1510580
>>1510598

>>1509784
Both lasted more than a hundred years.

>>1510162
Thing is though it wasn't just the brits that wanted to conquer these placed. All other European powers were defeated by the brits when they tried.

Also keep in mind that the big tech advantage only really existed in the later stages of conquering africa.

In India they were hugely out numbered not just by soldiers but also usually by the amount of cannons the end my had.

>>1510276
That's not really true. English had supplanted french long before the US become a real power (the 1940's).

It was used in the administration of a third of the world's population, the main language of international trade and the main language of science by the victoriana era.

The US just ensures it's supremecy since the 1940's

>>1510245
/thread
I must point out that statistically 1 out of 5 people is a descendant of Genkis khan so that counts for the damned mongols.

>>1510620
The US left the empire before the majority of it even existed. The Brits continued to get more powerful for more than a 100 years after it.

It reached its greatest territorial extent in the 1920's....

>>1510748
First airforce was the RAF

>>1510786
The Army they used to take back Spain was also considerably smaller and won most of its battles whilst being outnumbered.

They also completly destroyed the french navy twice and funded almost all the combatants by the end. Napoleon was completely obsessed with the brits but could never deal them a proper blow.

He invaded russia becouse they decided to trade with the brits after they had made a deal with him not too.

>>1510982
None of which will happen. Only the Scottish one is remotely possible and it's massivly exaggerated in the press

>>1509782
This map is deliberately misleading, because areas that were controlled by both Brits and Mongols are shaded blue, instead of with a cross-hatch as they should be.

>>1514105
that's a meme lol

but who the fuck wrote this wikipedia article on Genghis' descendancy:

"There is urgent genocide against the pure Mongol race with much of Genghis Khan origin brain being robbed from Inez Deborah E. Altar by Jews who want to rob her entire cerebrum because she is only 3% Jewish apparently, and urgent emergency need for munitions in Ribatejo, Assacaias, Portugal area even with light submachine guns in casings to counter genocide attempts against them also for fresh water, and legal opiates, as well as dairy products, please spin it in."

>>1514129
Scarborough are fucking DEMANDING indepence. How do you not understand??

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>>1514131
this is a better one

>>1514103
yeah, but after WW2 English managed to become the lingua franca of Europe, supplanting french
this was accomplished only after America became a superpower, and would've been impossible to even imagine at the height of Britain's colonial era

>>1510245

Not in Brittains streets, where people speak arabic.

>>1514136
You don't live in th uk do you?

None of those regions has polled more than 50% wanting independence ( including scotland). Most of it is just noise by upset remains.

The UK has a very lively and cut throat news industry. Almost nothing is printed in d balanced fashion so you need to learn how to think for yourself. Are you not taught thus at school?

Sorry to burst your bubble

Neither is impressive, both conquered vast plains of nothing.

>>1514145
there's less than 800,000 arabs in the UK, I don't see how their language could become the dominant one

>>1514150
SCARBOROUGH IS FUCKING ~#DeManDInG#~ INDEPENDENCE

>>1514140
The world isn't europe however.

English was dominate in most of Africa, Asia, Australia and north America. As well as the main language of trade and science. To say it's all down to the US is rubbish.

>>1509782
Entirely incomparable

>>1514140
English was on its way up once england was the epicenter of the industrial revolution and the premiere european power, french fell out of fashion after/during the napeolonic wars

>>1514161
Sauce please.

Also your shit at trolling

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>>1514159

>>1514163
This. A maratime trade hegemony VS a nomadic conquering host?

>>1514159

>only 800 000
>only arabs speak arabic

Wow educate yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DsG9yQrdD4

>>1514171
There are just under 25,000 schools in England.

Also your sauce says they are mostly primary schools which are almost always much smaller than secondaries.

Finally that article mentions only England. I doubt there are any such schools in scotland, NI or Wales.

>>1514178
>only 800 000

Probably less. They're listed under "other asians" in the census, so they're coupled with "other asians"

>only arabs speak arabic
Are other asian immigrants are pakis, who speak urdu (aside from english) mainly, indians who obviously don't speak arabic, and chinese.

>The Jihadist Next Door
>Blocked in your country
lol

still none of this proves that the people in british streets don't speak english at all or that arabic is the dominant language

>>1514249
Indian here, what do the brits think of indians? not pakis.

Please spare the sikhs are bro tier memes.

>>1514259
In scotland we think your fine. We still call you Pakis though

>>1514259
Indians are fine as long as they're the educated/skilled type. No issues with them unless Muslim.

That seems to be the attitude in Wales at least.

>>1514259
Indians are meh, kill the Muslims for us and it'll be fine as you're the smaller minority so the pakis will be racist for not calling on your sword

>>1514259
I like em.

It's the muzzies us working class English don't like.

From a military/tactical perspective I say Mongols

from a trade/logistical perspective, definitely British, they made the world their business and ran it efficiently

crazy that two of the smaller people groups of the world managed to accomplish so much though

British. All the people saying "guns vs primitive natives" are conveniently ignoring the wars Britain had with strong European powers such as France, Russia, and Germany over colonisation and military supremacy over much of the world. The Seven Years war for example saw Britain reduce the vast French holdings in North America to a little island (St. Miquelon or something). Britain stalled Russian inroads into Central Asia by thwarting them in the Crimean War. Britain kicked Germany out of Africa following WW1. I say all this as someone who deeply dislikes this country - the British Empire was the most impressive in history.

Now the Mongols, that was a lot of one sided conflicts.

Haha what? India was one of the richest areas of the world when Brits conquered it

>>1514140
>english
>lingua franca
ENGLISH BTFO, HOW WILL IT EVER RECOVER?

>>1514652
Obviously the British were stronger having better technology, but what is more impressive? An 80 year old running a 10 minute mile or an 18 year old?

The British were under less pressure, if they screw up it just means they lose business, the Mongols on the other hand didn't have much to go back to if they failed.

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>>1514652
>the wars Britain had with strong European powers such as France, Russia, and Germany over colonisation and military supremacy over much of the world.

>>1514852
Yep.

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>>1509784
>>1514086
>more than a hundred years.
>long time

>>1510713
>not liking helicopters
Look at him. Look at him and laugh.

>>1514652
like always english are not the people who did the more job in those war

>>1514086
>Mongol Empire
>More than 100 years

>British Empire at that extent
>More than 100 years
Yeah, no. Not even close.

>thread about the British empire
>spammed once again, with the same tired old refuted images, by butthurt irish and french

every single time.

>>1514852
I'm a germaboo anon but those really are insignificant numbers

>>1510839
Just another Battle of Patay.

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>>1514121
Only with the help of the entire fucking Spanish population thanks to propaganda, and also pic related.

>Destroyed an inferior and freshly revolutionized "Royale" twice.

Russia wanted war because Alexander was obsessed by Napoleon and wanted the glory of beating him. Of course you stole it, like other historiz throughout the ages.

>>1513704
The Roman contribution to the world is laying the foundations of western civilization as well as the far ranging impact of their laws, architecture, and legal systems. Also and of course, Latin being the mother tongue of five other languages and major European nations like Spain, Portugal, Italy, and France.

>>1514121
>and won most of its battles whilst being outnumbered.

That's factually false though
Look at the biggest battle, the British, Spaniards and Portuguese almost always outnumber the French

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vimeiro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Badajoz_(1812)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Salamanca
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vitoria

These are only the most important ones of course, but even in the lesser ones it was often the case as you can see on that pic >>1515039

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>>1514652
>the wars Britain had with strong European powers such as France, Russia, and Germany over colonisation and military supremacy over much of the world.
Are you talking about the wars in which Britain focus on irrelevant external theater and heavily outnumbers other european countries in the colonies while they're busy fighting for survival in Europe like pic related (still took them an entire decade to win at 4 to 1 lmao)?

>The Seven Years war for example saw Britain reduce the vast French holdings in North America to a little island
Oh yeah, that's indeed what you were talking about
If you unironically think the shitshow pic related is any more glorious than machinegunning niggers with spears, you have no idea what a glorious victory is
Look at French and German military histories, it contain many of them

>>1510233
Implying mongols didn't cause the black death and the further devlopment of inter eurasian trade

>>1515166

>Are you talking about the wars in which Britain focus on irrelevant external theater and heavily outnumbers other european countries in the colonies while they're busy fighting for survival in Europe like pic related (still took them an entire decade to win at 4 to 1 lmao)?

No. Britain took part in land engagements in Europe as well, including the ones I referenced (you only replied to one of them). Try not to gloss over entire parts of history, it doesn't strengthen your argument. In addition, try not to ignore the power projection a strong navy offers - the other powers in Europe couldn't match it. France et al didn't put enough focus on naval power and the results can be seen just by scrolling to the top of this thread.

Overall: weak counterargument.

>>1514259
Scot here, what >>1514271 said. So long as they make an effort to speak intelligible english (which from experience seems to be the case) then most people don't give a shit.

>>1514963
But as an empire it did. India, Australia and the carabian and Canada were all well over 100>>1514977